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Title: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: theonlinelawstudent on August 13, 2016, 12:02:10 AM
Anyone considering Taft?  I was looking at American International School of Law. Their website seems outdated but I talked to the CEO and they still seem to be in business and have an active account with the CA Secretary of State.  It's tuition is cheap. 

I am not interested in being a lawyer but I have always wanted to study law. I'm an older person (50) so there is no big career if I finish studying at an online school. I do not live in CA but I am from there and may move back next summer once my daughter goes off to college n
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 13, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
Anyone considering Taft?  I was looking at American International School of Law. Their website seems outdated but I talked to the CEO and they still seem to be in business and have an active account with the CA Secretary of State.  It's tuition is cheap. 

I am not interested in being a lawyer but I have always wanted to study law. I'm an older person (50) so there is no big career if I finish studying at an online school. I do not live in CA but I am from there and may move back next summer once my daughter goes off to college n
I'd use Concord/Kaplan
They are the ONLY online one that is REGIONALLY Accredited.
That means a few things- 1. You can get better finaid options
2. Better employer recognition
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 14, 2016, 08:18:33 AM
Anyone considering Taft? ... I am not interested in being a lawyer but I have always wanted to study law. I

Over 20 years plus Taft has a good track record of graduates actually passing the state bar.  However since you say you do not want to be an attorney, might I suggest an accredited Masters in Legal Studies from Kaplan or other regionally accredited online provider.  It will be quicker and cheaper. If you still want a JD, then Concord is a good one because it is the only one regionally accredited and has more bells and whistles for its students.  Regionally accredited means that degree is accepted as a real graduate degree by other universities while the other law school's programs may or may not be.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 14, 2016, 11:24:02 AM
Anyone considering Taft? ... I am not interested in being a lawyer but I have always wanted to study law. I

Over 20 years plus Taft has a good track record of graduates actually passing the state bar.  However since you say you do not want to be an attorney, might I suggest an accredited Masters in Legal Studies from Kaplan or other regionally accredited online provider.  It will be quicker and cheaper. If you still want a JD, then Concord is a good one because it is the only one regionally accredited and has more bells and whistles for its students.  Regionally accredited means that degree is accepted as a real graduate degree by other universities while the other law school's programs may or may not be.
Masters are a good option, but people like that "JD" title. Good point about it not needing to be bar acceptable though.........Consider this (if you are 100% sure you NEVER want the bar exam, but still want a recognized degree)

http://www.concordlawschool.edu/Executive_Juris_Doctor.aspx
-It is a few credits shorter than the main JD and exempt from the first year bar exam (which is pointless if you have no desire to sit the main bar exam later on)
and then if you wanted to go beyond that
http://smallbusinessllm.com/
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 14, 2016, 11:26:16 AM
The 2nd link was meant to be for their LLM (which they appear to no longer offer)
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 14, 2016, 08:00:13 PM
I'd choose the MLS over the Executive JD.  Non bar JDs have a long history of being dodgy even though the Concord one is not.  Nothing gets a lawyer more riled up then some non lawyer holding himself out as John Smith JD.  Don't know why that it is but John Smith LLM or John Smith LLB do not have the same negative effect.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 14, 2016, 09:42:12 PM
I'd choose the MLS over the Executive JD.  Non bar JDs have a long history of being dodgy even though the Concord one is not.  Nothing gets a lawyer more riled up then some non lawyer holding himself out as John Smith JD.  Don't know why that it is but John Smith LLM or John Smith LLB do not have the same negative effect.
Depends on if you want to work for a lawyer or not, if not, screw what they feel.think
I know a CPA with an EJD, he would just laugh at a redfaced lawyer
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 14, 2016, 09:42:58 PM
There are online doctorates (other than JD) in law too though I believe. Those may be worth exploring as well.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 15, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
I'd choose the MLS over the Executive JD.  Non bar JDs have a long history of being dodgy even though the Concord one is not.  Nothing gets a lawyer more riled up then some non lawyer holding himself out as John Smith JD.  Don't know why that it is but John Smith LLM or John Smith LLB do not have the same negative effect.
Depends on if you want to work for a lawyer or not, if not, screw what they feel.think
I know a CPA with an EJD, he would just laugh at a redfaced lawyer

There is actually a reason - there are instances where holders of dubious JDs from diploma mills like Novus and the old LaSalle (not California registered distance learning law schools), disbarred attorneys, and bar exam failures have tried to dupe the public by calling themselves JDs which while technically correct does not entitle them to practice law.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 15, 2016, 09:05:42 AM
OP:

If you just want to earn about the law for purposes of self enrichment and really have no plans to take the bar, I'd look for online or correspondence schools with an established track record (like Taft) and pick the cheapest one.

Master's programs in law are OK, but you'd probably learn more basic law in a JD program.

Personally, I would not spend the extra money to go to Concord. Regional accreditation is meaningless in law. The only accreditation that matters is ABA or CBE (or other state bar accreditation). If you're not using the degree to get a job, who cares? Go for the cheapest option.   
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 15, 2016, 12:22:38 PM
Respectfully I have to disagree.  If the OP does not want to be an attorney but be learned in the law, a regionally accredited Masters in Legal Studies is the ticket. The material taught is different from law school in some respects. A fully accredited Masters degree will be useful either in further academic studies or jobwise whereas an unaccredited online law degree is pretty much useless except as a bar ticket. 

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, we have forgotten that a California online program requires the student to pass the First Year Bar Exam and travel to California before they can continue their studies.  That is one nasty exam and has about a 20% pass rate, so why subject yourself to that?
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 15, 2016, 12:24:21 PM
Respectfully I have to disagree.  If the OP does not want to be an attorney but be learned in the law, a regionally accredited Masters in Legal Studies is the ticket. The material taught is different from law school in some respects. A fully accredited Masters degree will be useful either in further academic studies or jobwise whereas an unaccredited online law degree is pretty much useless except as a bar ticket. 

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, we have forgotten that a California online program requires the student to pass the First Year Bar Exam and travel to California before they can continue their studies.  That is one nasty exam and has about a 20% pass rate, so why subject yourself to that?
I had mentioned a few things, so I assume you are disagreeing with the EJD part (not the other law doctorates -which are MORE respected than the Masters, since......its the same thing........but higher up.....)

As to the bar requirements, those do not exist for EJD
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 15, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
I'd choose the MLS over the Executive JD.  Non bar JDs have a long history of being dodgy even though the Concord one is not.  Nothing gets a lawyer more riled up then some non lawyer holding himself out as John Smith JD.  Don't know why that it is but John Smith LLM or John Smith LLB do not have the same negative effect.
Depends on if you want to work for a lawyer or not, if not, screw what they feel.think
I know a CPA with an EJD, he would just laugh at a redfaced lawyer

There is actually a reason - there are instances where holders of dubious JDs from diploma mills like Novus and the old LaSalle (not California registered distance learning law schools), disbarred attorneys, and bar exam failures have tried to dupe the public by calling themselves JDs which while technically correct does not entitle them to practice law.
Different Schools, thus anyone that stupid has no opinion of any value to care about to begin with.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 15, 2016, 01:45:37 PM
Respectfully I have to disagree.  If the OP does not want to be an attorney but be learned in the law, a regionally accredited Masters in Legal Studies is the ticket. The material taught is different from law school in some respects. A fully accredited Masters degree will be useful either in further academic studies or jobwise whereas an unaccredited online law degree is pretty much useless except as a bar ticket. 

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, we have forgotten that a California online program requires the student to pass the First Year Bar Exam and travel to California before they can continue their studies.  That is one nasty exam and has about a 20% pass rate, so why subject yourself to that?
I had mentioned a few things, so I assume you are disagreeing with the EJD part (not the other law doctorates -which are MORE respected than the Masters, since......its the same thing........but higher up.....)

As to the bar requirements, those do not exist for EJD

I am just saying that someone interested in law who does not want to be lawyer should consider a Masters In Legal Studies.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 15, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
Respectfully I have to disagree.  If the OP does not want to be an attorney but be learned in the law, a regionally accredited Masters in Legal Studies is the ticket. The material taught is different from law school in some respects. A fully accredited Masters degree will be useful either in further academic studies or jobwise whereas an unaccredited online law degree is pretty much useless except as a bar ticket. 

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, we have forgotten that a California online program requires the student to pass the First Year Bar Exam and travel to California before they can continue their studies.  That is one nasty exam and has about a 20% pass rate, so why subject yourself to that?
I had mentioned a few things, so I assume you are disagreeing with the EJD part (not the other law doctorates -which are MORE respected than the Masters, since......its the same thing........but higher up.....)

As to the bar requirements, those do not exist for EJD

I am just saying that someone interested in law who does not want to be lawyer should consider a Masters In Legal Studies.
No one wants to brings a Masters Degree to a Doctorate fight

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=leave+it+to+a+wop+to+brought+a+knife+to+a+gun+fight&view=detail&mid=AE4DCC8AF973563C35A5AE4DCC8AF973563C35A5&FORM=VIRE

(insert word changes appropriately)
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: theonlinelawstudent on August 18, 2016, 10:26:16 PM
Anyone considering Taft? ... I am not interested in being a lawyer but I have always wanted to study law. I

Over 20 years plus Taft has a good track record of graduates actually passing the state bar.  However since you say you do not want to be an attorney, might I suggest an accredited Masters in Legal Studies from Kaplan or other regionally accredited online provider.  It will be quicker and cheaper. If you still want a JD, then Concord is a good one because it is the only one regionally accredited and has more bells and whistles for its students.  Regionally accredited means that degree is accepted as a real graduate degree by other universities while the other law school's programs may or may not be.

I have a Masters in Law & Public Policy.  I was searching for a ph.d. In some law discipline but was unsuccessful. 
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 19, 2016, 08:08:43 PM
Anyone considering Taft? ... I am not interested in being a lawyer but I have always wanted to study law. I

Over 20 years plus Taft has a good track record of graduates actually passing the state bar.  However since you say you do not want to be an attorney, might I suggest an accredited Masters in Legal Studies from Kaplan or other regionally accredited online provider.  It will be quicker and cheaper. If you still want a JD, then Concord is a good one because it is the only one regionally accredited and has more bells and whistles for its students.  Regionally accredited means that degree is accepted as a real graduate degree by other universities while the other law school's programs may or may not be.

I have a Masters in Law & Public Policy.  I was searching for a ph.d. In some law discipline but was unsuccessful.
google "online phd" there are several regionally accredited ones. Then go to "major" and pick a law subject
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 20, 2016, 08:16:46 AM

I have a Masters in Law & Public Policy.  I was searching for a ph.d. In some law discipline but was unsuccessful.

I'd advise against a PhD in Law, it is not a very popular degree and won't qualify you to teach at a law school since you do not have a JD and are not a lawyer.  Academic jobs are tight, you'd be better off going for a PhD in Political Science with an emphasis in Public Policy which would have much more utility.  Additionally online and foreign PhDs are a tough sell these days for job seekers.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 20, 2016, 12:58:36 PM

I have a Masters in Law & Public Policy.  I was searching for a ph.d. In some law discipline but was unsuccessful.

I'd advise against a PhD in Law, it is not a very popular degree and won't qualify you to teach at a law school since you do not have a JD and are not a lawyer.  Academic jobs are tight, you'd be better off going for a PhD in Political Science with an emphasis in Public Policy which would have much more utility.  Additionally online and foreign PhDs are a tough sell these days for job seekers.  Good luck.
The Masters was in Law&Public Policy. An identical PhD would not require a JD nor a law license to teach in it.
Same with Criminal Justice, or MOST legal subjects OTHER than law school.

Might end up teaching at State........but I don't think teaching is even the goal here.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 21, 2016, 11:00:43 AM
Unless that PhD is from a well respected school, and you have an impressive publishing record plus experience plus connections, you won't end up teaching at State. Maybe as an adjunct for one or two classes, but that's about it.

Academic jobs, even at no name State U's, are insanely competitive right now. The majority of PhDs will not get an academic job.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 21, 2016, 03:46:36 PM
Unless that PhD is from a well respected school, and you have an impressive publishing record plus experience plus connections, you won't end up teaching at State. Maybe as an adjunct for one or two classes, but that's about it.

Academic jobs, even at no name State U's, are insanely competitive right now. The majority of PhDs will not get an academic job.

Absolutely correct, a PhD degree from state will get you an adjunct gig and maybe slightly more.  But a specialized PhD for which there are no programs will yield nothing.  PhD's actually end up earning less than what they would of had they left off with a MA in the social sciences.
Title: Re: Anybody thinking about Taft?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 21, 2016, 05:14:25 PM
(reading comp)..........but I don't think teaching is the goal here............ :P