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Title: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: palpal200 on October 23, 2015, 02:25:50 PM
Hi,

Flamers: buzz off.

I am a 1L at a toilet of a provisionally accredited law school. I got a 50% scholarship to ease the sting. Still, I am uber close to just withdrawing before we get too much further into the semester and trying my luck elsewhere. I don't know what kind of applicant that would make me at the next school, though. That is, would I be a transfer student or applying as a new student, since I didn't get any grades here where I am now???? Is it event possible? I mean, are there schools that admit students who dropped out first semester of 1L before any grades were issued?

Before you say just stay: I can't take it. The environment here is for the birds. I have tried. I am days away from pulling the plug on this little adventure, I only want to know what my options are if I go through with it.

Thanks in advance for the kindhearted lot of you who give feedback.   8)
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Citylaw on October 23, 2015, 03:42:59 PM
Well don't worry to much about the ranking of your school etc.

If you graduate from an ABA or even provisionally accredited ABA school you can take the bar and become an attorney. Once you are out of the law school bubble nobody will care much about what school you went to or what grades you got. I got yelled at by a judge today, because I didn't fill out a judicial council form I was supposed to. I got the highest grade in Civil Procedure years ago, but guess how much that mattered today and how much it was discussed? - Not at all.

So if you hate the school you hate the school, but I am getting the sense that maybe you read one to many anonymous internet poster opinions regarding the legal job-market and that if you don't attend Harvard your doomed. - That is all false, instead apply common sense.

Well this provisional ABA school open every possible door at graduation? No. 

Is your career forever doomed, because you went to X school? No.

Law school is hard and difficult, but the environment is important. If you really hate the school, but enjoy the study of law or want to be a lawyer you can get through the year and transfer or apply to be a visiting student somewhere. Or you can also just get through two more years of law school, pass the bar and never look back.

I think you can drop out, but if your in the first 8 weeks of 1L and drop out I find it highly unlikely you will enroll elsewhere. Also, if you just hate law school then pull the plug, but if you like law school, but just think your school is not "good" enough then deal with it. Believe it or not 95% of lawyers did not attend the top 5% of schools i.e T14.

Also, you must have only been in school for 8-9 weeks? It might be a little early to pull the plug.

I remember in about October of my 1L at a far from elite ABA school I did terrible on my midterms and thought about pulling the plug myself. I blamed the school, professors, etc everyone but myself, because I should have been at a "better" school, because the LSAT was b.s. the school was wrong, because I was not a star in my less than "school".

However, I really enjoyed the law and wanted to be a lawyer, but I realized this profession will not make you feel like a special little snowflake. However, I took some accountability for myself and instead of quitting kicked ass and ended up in the top 10% of my law school class. I could have transferred to other schools, but by then I had made great friends and developed solid relationships with my professors.

During the first 8 weeks I hated my school as well, but by sticking with it I did a huge 180. Will the same happen for you? I don't know, but honestly your only 8 weeks in that is not enough time to know anything. If after the end of 1L you hate everything still then maybe law is not for you. Or maybe you will be in the top 10% and can transfer elsewhere if you still hate your school. Simply put give it more than eight weeks before making the drastic decision of quitting.



 Conclusion:

I don't know anything about you, your situation, or what is best for you. I am some random guy on the internet as is anyone else on this board or others so take this post and others with a major grain of salt.

Law school is hard and the first 8 weeks are probably the most stressful part of the whole experience and many people want to quit during that time.  I personally think it is to early to make any decisions you are 8 weeks into a 3 year odyssey. You might love your school in another 8 weeks and if your goal is to be a lawyer I wouldn't quit. If you hate the law and everything about it then quit.


However, if you think dropping out now and going to some slightly better "ranked" school next year will make anything better it won't. Realize U.S. News is nothing more than a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion so don't make a life altering decision on it.




Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 23, 2015, 07:00:24 PM
Not enough info:

What GPA before law school, what GPA in law school, what percentile in law school class,
What LSAT score
Where do you live now? How far are you willing to move?

That is the minimum to start with, post it or forget trying to have an honest conversation.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: loki13 on October 24, 2015, 07:05:09 AM
Hi,

Flamers: buzz off.

I am a 1L at a toilet of a provisionally accredited law school. I got a 50% scholarship to ease the sting. Still, I am uber close to just withdrawing before we get too much further into the semester and trying my luck elsewhere. I don't know what kind of applicant that would make me at the next school, though. That is, would I be a transfer student or applying as a new student, since I didn't get any grades here where I am now???? Is it event possible? I mean, are there schools that admit students who dropped out first semester of 1L before any grades were issued?

Before you say just stay: I can't take it. The environment here is for the birds. I have tried. I am days away from pulling the plug on this little adventure, I only want to know what my options are if I go through with it.

Thanks in advance for the kindhearted lot of you who give feedback.   8)

There's not enough information here to give you a good response- specifically, why can't you take it? What is it about the environment that is "for the birds?"

The sad truth is that the first year curriculum at ABA (and provisionally-ABA) accredited schools is fairly standardized, and unless you explain what it is you find intolerable, it would be hard to advise you. Also, it would help if you explain why you attended that particular school- was it (relatively) low uGPA / low LSAT? Just the financial aid package? Just location?

The sad truth is that the generic advice, without more, that I would give to almost anyone in their first year anywhere, from Harvard to Cooley, is to stick it out. You made a decision, stick with it out, and consider transfer options if you do well. If you drop out now, it will be ... something ... that will be considered when re-applying to other schools. That you tried once and you failed.

Again, I might have better advice for you, but I don't fully understand your issues. Many (if not most!) 1Ls go through buyers remorse their first year. Some drop out. I'm not aware of any that dropped out and immediately applied, successfully, to another school.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 24, 2015, 01:14:27 PM
My last post was largely about transferring, on reread I see you want to dropout and then reapply.
Did you try BEFORE going to that school? Imagine that uphill battle PLUS explaining WHY you DROPPED OUT.
Seems doable but stupid to me. I feel a huge case of the "I am going to get bad grades but it is THEIR fault because THEY are stupid (not me never me)......."
Maybe you should just quit and stay quit kid.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 25, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
To the OP:

Why do you want to drop out?

Is the curriculum more difficult and time consuming than expected?

Are you worried about post-grad employment prospects?

As Loki pointed out, the curriculum will be practically interchangeable at an ABA or provisionally accredited ABA school. It will be difficult, frustrating and time consuming no matter where you go. If you're unhappy with your classmates, well, that may also be the same wherever you go. Law school is vastly different from undergrad, as I'm sure you're finding out. I would at least wait and see how you do on the first round of exams before deciding to drop out.

As to your specific questions:

Can you transfer? You can drop out now (without grades), and reapply as a new student. It will take nearly a year (unless you find a school with Spring admissions), and you will absolutely have to inform the schools that you attended and dropped out of law school.

With that adversely affect your chances of admission? I don't really know. I would think it would because it makes it look like you can't cut it, but maybe of you can explain your position with great articulation... 
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 25, 2015, 10:56:47 PM
Yes and No to what City said. you are WORSE off than a non prior JD. You have to ADMIT you DROPPED OUT.
Lie and you are screwed.
reality.


enjoy that mpre kid.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Miami88 on October 25, 2015, 11:13:44 PM
doubt transferring at this point is realistic. at least, not to any better of a situation than you are in now.

your best bet is to stick it out for the first year and transfer as a 2L.

unless you have extremely legitimate personal issues (e.g. your entire family was just slaughtered in front of you at your family reunion and you needed time to regroup), dropping out and reapplying now will be transparent.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Citylaw on October 26, 2015, 10:15:13 AM
Loki makes adds a great additional point the curriculum is standardized from Harvard to Cooley. 1L is difficult and if you drop out and reapply you will be in the same boat, but out a year of your life plus several thousand dollars to the school you have already enrolled in. That is assuming another school even lets you in, which there is no guarantee of. 

So unless there is some major personal crisis i.e. your parents were in terrible car accident or you had a stroke or something along those lines dropping out, because you don't like the "environment" is not going to be looked at my most as a valid reason. Every 1L in the first 6-10 weeks of school thinks about quitting I am sure, I know I did, but you made a big decision at least stick it out 1L. If you still hate it after that there might be options, but quitting this early into your 1L is an unwise decision in my anonymous internet poster opinion.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 26, 2015, 08:03:04 PM
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/5566683/dont-transfer-commercial 
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: palpal200 on October 28, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
My last post was largely about transferring, on reread I see you want to dropout and then reapply.
Did you try BEFORE going to that school? Imagine that uphill battle PLUS explaining WHY you DROPPED OUT.
Seems doable but stupid to me. I feel a huge case of the "I am going to get bad grades but it is THEIR fault because THEY are stupid (not me never me)......."
Maybe you should just quit and stay quit kid.

Yeah, but no. 1) I'm part-time; 2) I have a B average so far, and the material is not hardly the problem. That being said, with respect, your assumption that this is about possible poor grades is wholly incorrect. I just genuinely hate it here.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 28, 2015, 06:55:49 PM
My last post was largely about transferring, on reread I see you want to dropout and then reapply.
Did you try BEFORE going to that school? Imagine that uphill battle PLUS explaining WHY you DROPPED OUT.
Seems doable but stupid to me. I feel a huge case of the "I am going to get bad grades but it is THEIR fault because THEY are stupid (not me never me)......."
Maybe you should just quit and stay quit kid.

Yeah, but no. 1) I'm part-time; 2) I have a B average so far, and the material is not hardly the problem. That being said, with respect, your assumption that this is about possible poor grades is wholly incorrect. I just genuinely hate it here.
do..........do you THINK have a B Average is "good"?????
and NO YOU DONT cuz grades aren't out first term until well into 2nd term.......................

holy *&^%
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: loki13 on October 29, 2015, 07:15:07 AM
My last post was largely about transferring, on reread I see you want to dropout and then reapply.
Did you try BEFORE going to that school? Imagine that uphill battle PLUS explaining WHY you DROPPED OUT.
Seems doable but stupid to me. I feel a huge case of the "I am going to get bad grades but it is THEIR fault because THEY are stupid (not me never me)......."
Maybe you should just quit and stay quit kid.

Yeah, but no. 1) I'm part-time; 2) I have a B average so far, and the material is not hardly the problem. That being said, with respect, your assumption that this is about possible poor grades is wholly incorrect. I just genuinely hate it here.

I would like to provide helpful advice, but I'm not sure how to help. For starters, I don't know how you would know your grades. At the law schools I am familiar with, students do not know their grades until a few weeks into the second semester. I didn't know my first semester grades until nearly February.

Second, you haven't identified *why* you hate it. Your classmates? The material? The teachers? The location? What? Very few people love law school their first year. To the extent that they like it, it's because they are learning while they are working themselves to death. You have to be more specific. Unless you can identify what it is, specifically, you don't like, no one can help you understand if things would get better.

Finally, I don't think you understand the difference between dropping out and re-applying, as opposed to doing your best and trying to transfer. IME (which is anecdotal, not statistical), I have not known any 1L dropouts that re-applied successfully to another school within a year. Your experience may be different- but given that you've described your school as provisionally accredited and you've only stated your reason for dropping out as "hating it" I'm not sure that will be looked on favorably.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Citylaw on October 29, 2015, 10:48:49 AM
Loki is right on point.

First year of law school is not a pleasant experience for most. I also know plenty of people that transferred, but have never heard of someone droppoing out and reapplying. Not that it hasn't been done, but I just don't know.

If you want to reapply to some other school then I suggest contacting the admissions office at that school and explaining your situation. The admissions offices at the schools will know more about the specific policies regarding admissions, than anyone on this board.

With that being said what is it about the school you hate?

If there is some major personal issue, i.e. your long-term girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with you and you want to get out of town. Fine, that is a personal issue. If your having family drama that neeeds to be addressed . Fine, that is a personal issue.  However, if you just don't like the school what makes you think some other school will be any better?

1L pretty much sucks anywhere. 1L students are super into the law school bubble all convinced they will be in the top 10% and that grades mean everything, etc. Once grades come out and 90% of people aren't in the top 10% people tend to chill out and realize it is just grades and that they need to focus on passing the bar and getting a job.

1L makes people act crazy and it is extremely stressful at any school anywhere. Loki and myself went to different law schools and I am sure he did not love 1L and neither did I. You can go ask any lawyer out there and say hey was 1L the best time of your life? You will get a pretty common response, No.

Again, the main question is what is it that you HATE about your current situation. If it is a personal issue that has nothing to do with law school, then maybe dropping out is a solution, but first year sucks whether you are at Cooley or Harvard and you are literally taking the same classes and reading the same textbooks. Cooley has Torts, Property, Civil Procedure 1L and so does Harvard.

Again, I don't know your situation is, but my two cents knowing nothing about you or even why you hate the school is to finish 1L.  If you still hate it transfer or give up on law school all together, but you can't have been in school more than 8 weeks. 





Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 29, 2015, 04:47:07 PM
Some bottom T law schools (the one with a C that tries to hide behind a new shiny W for example) have what they CALL "midterms" which equate to about 10% of the grade for first term students and are almost entirely multiple choice. But even if that is what he is judging his grades on (which sadly might be true) having a 3.0 would place him in the middle of his class. Meaning he sucks at even the EASY test.

Dang kid. You BELONG where you are. No wonder everyone hates you and you want to run away.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Citylaw on October 29, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
That is a little harsh and I am sure everyone doesn't hate OP.

He was just asking for advice on a random law school board and I thought his question was well articulated, but it lacked the relevant facts.

I imagine OP is going through the typical stress that every 1L goes through and probably doesn't need to be insulted.

To the OP again I don't know you or your situation, but it really comes down to what the issue is.

If you don't like law school, there is nothing wrong with that it is not for everyone. However, if your only a few weeks in you really can't know whether you like it or not.

I think as both Loki and I suggested finish 1L.

If you just can't stand the thought of writing another case-brief and hate that judges can write opinions in plain English, or arguing etc then law school is not for you. No shame in that, it certainly is not for everybody and there are about 10,000 other career options out there.  Conversely, if you get through 1L and really love the law, but can't stand a lot of your classmates, the location, whatever it may transferring is an option.

However, you had some interest in becoming a lawyer, because you were admitted into a law school. It is a lot of time and energy to do that and if you didn't have some basic interest in the law you wouldn't have done it. However, like everything else in the world being a lawyer, law student is not glamorous or awesome all the time. In fact, there are many times it just plain sucks, but there are great times as well, which is the same with every other profession.

Although, I continue to ask if someone knows of some job that is really easy to get, high paying, and never gets in the way of things I would like to do, but when I want a bit of a challenge it is available, and everyone will think I am awesome at cocktail parties for doing it and so on.  Please for the love of God tell me! That would really make my day to day life a lot better, but  as far as I know a job like that doesn't exist. However, I cannot reiterate enough if it does, please please please tell me!





Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 29, 2015, 09:13:32 PM
That is a little harsh and I am sure everyone doesn't hate OP.

He was just asking for advice on a random law school board and I thought his question was well articulated, but it lacked the relevant facts.

I imagine OP is going through the typical stress that every 1L goes through and probably doesn't need to be insulted.

To the OP again I don't know you or your situation, but it really comes down to what the issue is.

If you don't like law school, there is nothing wrong with that it is not for everyone. However, if your only a few weeks in you really can't know whether you like it or not.

I think as both Loki and I suggested finish 1L.

If you just can't stand the thought of writing another case-brief and hate that judges can write opinions in plain English, or arguing etc then law school is not for you. No shame in that, it certainly is not for everybody and there are about 10,000 other career options out there.  Conversely, if you get through 1L and really love the law, but can't stand a lot of your classmates, the location, whatever it may transferring is an option.

However, you had some interest in becoming a lawyer, because you were admitted into a law school. It is a lot of time and energy to do that and if you didn't have some basic interest in the law you wouldn't have done it. However, like everything else in the world being a lawyer, law student is not glamorous or awesome all the time. In fact, there are many times it just plain sucks, but there are great times as well, which is the same with every other profession.

Although, I continue to ask if someone knows of some job that is really easy to get, high paying, and never gets in the way of things I would like to do, but when I want a bit of a challenge it is available, and everyone will think I am awesome at cocktail parties for doing it and so on.  Please for the love of God tell me! That would really make my day to day life a lot better, but  as far as I know a job like that doesn't exist. However, I cannot reiterate enough if it does, please please please tell me!
A bit harsh, sure.
Not "everyone" hated Hitler either.................but I'm still glad he's dead.

As for the rest, decent stuff for other threads, but not the subject here man.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Miami88 on October 29, 2015, 10:39:34 PM
Some bottom T law schools (the one with a C that tries to hide behind a new shiny W for example) have what they CALL "midterms" which equate to about 10% of the grade for first term students and are almost entirely multiple choice. But even if that is what he is judging his grades on (which sadly might be true) having a 3.0 would place him in the middle of his class. Meaning he sucks at even the EASY test.

Dang kid. You BELONG where you are. No wonder everyone hates you and you want to run away.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/6/12/1339518379773/TROLLS---1992-008.jpg)
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 30, 2015, 09:58:17 AM
Some bottom T law schools (the one with a C that tries to hide behind a new shiny W for example) have what they CALL "midterms" which equate to about 10% of the grade for first term students and are almost entirely multiple choice. But even if that is what he is judging his grades on (which sadly might be true) having a 3.0 would place him in the middle of his class. Meaning he sucks at even the EASY test.

Dang kid. You BELONG where you are. No wonder everyone hates you and you want to run away.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/6/12/1339518379773/TROLLS---1992-008.jpg)
Email the schools if you don't believe me. And stop posting pics of your mom.
Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Miami88 on October 30, 2015, 11:01:52 AM
Some bottom T law schools (the one with a C that tries to hide behind a new shiny W for example) have what they CALL "midterms" which equate to about 10% of the grade for first term students and are almost entirely multiple choice. But even if that is what he is judging his grades on (which sadly might be true) having a 3.0 would place him in the middle of his class. Meaning he sucks at even the EASY test.

Dang kid. You BELONG where you are. No wonder everyone hates you and you want to run away.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/6/12/1339518379773/TROLLS---1992-008.jpg)
Email the schools if you don't believe me. And stop posting pics of your mom.


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Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: Citylaw on October 30, 2015, 12:22:22 PM
Well this has gotten productive.

http://www.rantlifestyle.com/2014/11/21/20-things-men-in-their-30s-need-to-stop-doing/ (See Section 5 of the article)

This board is cool, because for the few people that come there is actual advice etc, unlike Top Law Schools where anonymous internet posters get in pi**sing contest with each other. 

The OP had a legit question and received solid advice, but someone this thread has devolved into that.

I am a little embarrassed at how much time I spend on this board personally, but it is enjoyable, however fighting anonymously with someone on the internet that you will never meet or know, or possibly win the argument doesn't make a ton of sense.

Keep it classy LSD.

Title: Re: Thinking about withdrawing during first semester of 1L, Can I get in elsewherE?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on October 30, 2015, 02:38:52 PM
OP's first question was legit, albeit flawed, his second post boggled the mind and opened the window to who/what was behind the other end of the screen.
I just hate people who lie and think they are too "clever" to be caught. Come on now.

Good link though.