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LSAT Preparation => Studying for the LSAT => Topic started by: Consigliere3 on July 24, 2015, 04:13:45 PM

Title: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: Consigliere3 on July 24, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
Hi,
So I started taking a prep course by a well known company. Took my first practice test and got a 131.

Most of the concepts don't seem to compute to me.

Have been studying and when I think I got the right  answer, it turns out wrong.

Have been using their online resources for studying as well as the book they provided.

As of now, 1 week in, Logic games are a total loss to me.

Not looking to get a 160 or a170, just want to get a mark that will make me admissible.

Best to hire a tutor?

Just want to gain the skills that are needed to shoot my score up to the 150ish range.

I have some graduate degrees, so it's not that I'm a stranger to studying and homework.

But it seems that I'm at a loss here.

Thanks in advance for your advice.



Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on July 24, 2015, 09:16:07 PM
Is  interactive prep course?

Can you contact the company and ask them?
Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: Consigliere3 on July 25, 2015, 10:33:49 AM
Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
It is an in person prep course, and I spoke to the instructor who basically told me if I don''t start grasping the concepts by next week, I'll end up falling behind in the class.

I do the required homework and drills, as well as watch their online videos, but with spotty (mostly poor) results.

Am even thinking about a private tutor.

Perhaps the instructor although a good instructor, doesn't seem to be a good fit for me. Other instructor's classes are full.

It's the first week and I'm already confused, I don't want the 2nd (and 3rd) to be even more confusing.

Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: Groundhog on July 25, 2015, 03:22:52 PM
I've got to be honest. I have concerns about whether law school is for you.

A 131 is in the 2nd-3rd percentile. It would take more than a significant improvement to get you into the average range.

Are there some particular concepts or a section that troubles you? You mentioned logic games. How are you doing in logical reasoning? That is the most important, of course. Are you able to apply concepts like the contrapositive, etc?

If you are having difficulty grasping week one LSAT class concepts, I must warn you that it is not going to be any easier in law school or preparing for the bar.

In another thread, you noted you have family obligations and are limited geographically to where you can go, both for law school and presumably to practice. Given the ongoing difficulties of the legal job market, and the fact that even a significant improvement would at best put you in the bottom tier of schools, I think it may be wise to consider why you wish to be an attorney.
Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on July 25, 2015, 04:06:51 PM
Sit the exam no matter what
if you bomb it, boohoo, but at least sit it.

And don't drop the classes either. If you even only gain an extra two points of knowledge..........dang it that's two extra points bro!!
Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: Groundhog on July 25, 2015, 04:37:38 PM
Sitting for the exam isn't terribly expensive, but if the OP has no shot at getting admitted to law school, then it wouldn't make sense to take the LSAT.

Comparatively, the LSAT class is a good bit of money. Whether OP should drop the class or not depends on if there is a refund available and the answer to the question about why OP wants to be an attorney. Any "knowledge" gained by going from a 131 to 133 on the LSAT is meaningless and is not worth $1000+ of tuition because neither will gain admission to an ABA-accredited school, which is the purpose of the LSAT class. If OP can identify specific concepts that are problematic and begin to make improvement, and also has a good reason for why OP wants to be an attorney, such as a realistic ability to get work, then I can maybe see toughing it out and trying to improve. We are talking about a fair bit of money.

If there are no refunds, then full steam ahead.
Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on July 25, 2015, 06:04:21 PM
Once one already has entered the prep stage, its stupid NOT to finish it out IMHO

"but some one on the internet told me to stop.............."

 :P
Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: Consigliere3 on July 25, 2015, 10:53:30 PM
Thanks for the replies.

i VII, that's the way I feel...I'll stick it out regardless. No sense quitting now.

Groundhog, so far, I seem to have a big problem with diagramming the logic games, especially under the 35 minute time limit. Am so-so with the LR, but it's only been a week so far.

I have placed a call into the prep course's office and am waiting for a reply.

Any advice is appreciated.
Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: Miami88 on July 26, 2015, 01:03:57 PM
I mean - if you just started studying, I wouldn't freak out too much. Give it your all and see what comes - that is literally all that you can do.

If towards the end, you see no improvement, you need to be real with yourself. As other posters have said, if you are having problems grasping basic LSAT fundamentals, you are facing more issues that a low LSAT score. Law school is not THAT intellectually difficult, but it does push you in specific ways. For all the problems that the LSAT has, it is actually good at measuring basic things that, without, you are unlikely to succeed. And I don't just mean in law school, I mean as a lawyer. If you are having issues connecting logical dots in logic games, just wait until you are given 100+ pages of bare-fact depositions and and a seemingly endless legal vacuum that is West Law.

But again, I would stick with it. It may just be a bad start or a high plateau that you need to reach.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: Groundhog on July 26, 2015, 05:05:49 PM
"but some one on the internet told me to stop.............."

 :P

The sad reality is that anonymous people on the Internet are going to be the only ones without a financial incentive to advise OP. If a law school candidate asks anyone involved in the law school industry the answer to, "Should I go to law school?" the answer is always yes, and here's how to pay.

It sounds like you have identified your areas of weakness. I don't know your abilities, but if you are determined then that's the other half of the battle.

Title: Re: Started prep course, have trouble with some material
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on July 26, 2015, 10:34:06 PM
I hear what you are saying groundhog, I'm just the type who does things BECAUSE they are hard. I dunno, my brain is wired backwords.  I suspect that OP may be a former grunt too (if there is such a thing)

My technique to learn new things that are hard for me is to RESIST THE TRAP that failing quickly is better than passing slowly. Remember, what you can do well with all the time in the world, you can later learn to do at an increasing pace. Walk before you jog, jog before you sprint. I see far too many people try to practice under timed test like conditions STOP DOING THAT (your instructor is using a cookie cutter, you need to break free from that mental trap)
Practice in a non timed relaxed, everything is perfect conditions. Heck, do it naked while drunk if it helps, but then once you ace it that way. Test it with pants on. Then maybe sober. Continue until test like conditions.

You may be to retake. I'd recommend not falling for the 2nd most common trap of stopping studies until results come out. Don't do that. KEEP studying NO MATTER WHAT. That way you are ready to go to retake at 2X power. Plus there is less stress this time around that way. Heck, treat this test as a PREP one (the most real life conditions possible afterall isn't it?) There is no shame in dry running it. Law school takes the HIGHEST score afterall.

Real life experience given. Pass it on to your classmates in prep if they are willing to listen.