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Title: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 19, 2005, 04:28:01 PM
this isn't entirely about mariah carey, so maybe thread title is deceptive, but i am about the *biggest* mariah carey fan ever, and i was talking to someone about this earlier today...

people love to swear that mariah carey was in denial of the african pt of her heritege during the early pts of her career (until puff daddy, er diddy, came along to escort her into the depths of official blackness in the mid-90s).  they point to her skipping through the fields in a flannel shirt in her early videos and refer to interviews wherein mc denied her ethnicity (interviews no one seems to be able to get ahold of a decade later). 

where did this idea come from?

i wonder if these people are blind.  do they not see the black folks dancing in the fields with mariah in these videos?  or the obligatory chubby black kid in 90% of them?  do they ignore the fact that a recurring theme in her visual repertoire is singing with a black choir in a black church?  the poor thing has even had videos wherein she sports long, braided extensions and a du rag.  and have u seen her entourage?  what else does this woman have to do to let people know she considers herself a pt of black america??

i really feel bad, sometimes, for extremely light skinned or mixed raced blacks bc its like nothing they do is "black enough" for the rest of the world.  i have a cousin who is readily mistaken for white, and she feels the need to enter this sort of black english when she is around other black people (lest she be mistaken for a bourgie b!tch who "thinks shes white").  i've had friends who acted similarly: who insisted on dressing a certain way or speaking certain ways in lieu of a permanent sign that says "I'M BLACK TOO".

why does our society make mixed-race people feel the need to pick and choose this way?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: dbgirl on August 19, 2005, 06:06:33 PM
I agree with you here.

I've never had a real discussion with anyone about Mariah Carey, but I have long known that she is mixed -- it's pretty obvious by looking at her.
And I think it's sad that people want mixed people to "pick a side."
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Young Esq. on August 19, 2005, 09:24:13 PM
She's black. If it were the fifties she'd be in the colored only line. Hey Obama is mixed. She is probably blacker than him. I think the issue is more skin tone than anything else. It has nothing to do with being mixed more than it has to do with do you fit the stereotypical physical appearance. It reminds me of the Light Skin v. Dark Skin school daze mentality.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 20, 2005, 01:20:30 AM
School Daze.....WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: TrojanChispas on August 20, 2005, 07:44:53 AM
this isn't entirely about mariah carey, so maybe thread title is deceptive, but i am about the *biggest* mariah carey fan ever, and i was talking to someone about this earlier today...

people love to swear that mariah carey was in denial of the african pt of her heritege during the early pts of her career (until puff daddy, er diddy, came along to escort her into the depths of official blackness in the mid-90s).  they point to her skipping through the fields in a flannel shirt in her early videos and refer to interviews wherein mc denied her ethnicity (interviews no one seems to be able to get ahold of a decade later). 

where did this idea come from?

i wonder if these people are blind.  do they not see the black folks dancing in the fields with mariah in these videos?  or the obligatory chubby black kid in 90% of them?  do they ignore the fact that a recurring theme in her visual repertoire is singing with a black choir in a black church?  the poor thing has even had videos wherein she sports long, braided extensions and a du rag.  and have u seen her entourage?  what else does this woman have to do to let people know she considers herself a pt of black america??

i really feel bad, sometimes, for extremely light skinned or mixed raced blacks bc its like nothing they do is "black enough" for the rest of the world.  i have a cousin who is readily mistaken for white, and she feels the need to enter this sort of black english when she is around other black people (lest she be mistaken for a bourgie b!tch who "thinks shes white").  i've had friends who acted similarly: who insisted on dressing a certain way or speaking certain ways in lieu of a permanent sign that says "I'M BLACK TOO".

why does our society make mixed-race people feel the need to pick and choose this way?
Only because we are on a law school discussion site and the LSAT made me into a logical rasoning Nazi will I point out the glaring flaws in your argument.

You make the classic non sequiter (an inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence.) argument by supporting the conclusion:
Mariah is clearly black

with this evidence
1. she has black folk dancing in the fields in her videos
2. she has an obligatory chubby black kid in 90% of her videos
3. the frequent appearance of black chior/church members in her videos
4. she sports long braided extensions and a do-rag
5. "and have u seen her entourage?"

None of those facts are either necessary or sufficient to establish blackness.  Blackness comes from somewhere else than the cast of a few videos, a do-rag ( :D :D :D :D I dont know why but that word cracks me up), and a black entourage.  Doesnt Eminem have lots of black characters surounding him and in his videos?

From your evidence, one could come to a completely different conclusion: Mariah is trying to front like she is black by overplaying her alleged blackness.

If she grew up in a black neigborhood or somehow was active in the black community your argument would be much stronger.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 20, 2005, 02:41:58 PM
i will assume that you were so eager to display to the world your knowledge of logical fallacies that you missed the main idea of the post. 

the main idea of the post is that mixed raced/extremely light skinned black people (even those that are not mariah) are often made to feel the need to compensate for their skin tones by acting in ways that are an exaggerated extrapolation of "typical" black behavior.  i suggested that these feelings are caused by the black community's treatment of its mixed-raced brethren.

mariah was cited *purely* as in infamous example of said treatment.

nowhere is it stated that these actions infallibly signify blackness.  my post does, however, infer that a person engaging in said behavior [in seriousness] is likely acting out of a connection to the black community.

on a diff note, based on your conclusion and your interpretation of the post, it's pretty obvious that you have the vindictive mentality that makes other people feel the need to act in the ways described in my original post.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: XYZZY on August 20, 2005, 03:15:10 PM
I agree.  mariah is ugly enough as it is, and perpetually on the verge of the next mental breakdown.  leave the poor girl alone
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 20, 2005, 04:00:38 PM
i will assume that you were so eager to display to the world your knowledge of logical fallacies that you missed the main idea of the post. 

the main idea of the post is that mixed raced/extremely light skinned black people (even those that are not mariah) are often made to feel the need to compensate for their skin tones by acting in ways that are an exaggerated extrapolation of "typical" black behavior.  i suggested that these feelings are caused by the black community's treatment of its mixed-raced brethren.

mariah was cited *purely* as in infamous example of said treatment.

nowhere is it stated that these actions infallibly signify blackness.  my post does, however, infer that a person engaging in said behavior [in seriousness] is likely acting out of a connection to the black community.

on a diff note, based on your conclusion and your interpretation of the post, it's pretty obvious that you have the vindictive mentality that makes other people feel the need to act in the ways described in my original post.

How do you get that based on his post that he has a vendictive mentality that makes other people feel the need to act in the ways described in your original post? You get that from the fact that he pointed out some flaws in your original post?  I thought the same thing, while I am not saying I disagree with your premise about mixed race people (I am not saying I agree either), I just didnt say post in response to it until now.  You probably should have just made your point without the example of Mariah Carey.  It was a truely flawed example. While you say that your original post was not entirely about Mariah, you sure put a lot of time into using her as an example.  It might have been a little confusing to those who are reading it what exactly your point was.  Even to those that are clear as to what your point was, your example was a poor example of the point you were trying to make.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: TrojanChispas on August 20, 2005, 04:09:09 PM
i will assume that you were so eager to display to the world your knowledge of logical fallacies that you missed the main idea of the post. 

the main idea of the post is that mixed raced/extremely light skinned black people (even those that are not mariah) are often made to feel the need to compensate for their skin tones by acting in ways that are an exaggerated extrapolation of "typical" black behavior.  i suggested that these feelings are caused by the black community's treatment of its mixed-raced brethren.

mariah was cited *purely* as in infamous example of said treatment.

nowhere is it stated that these actions infallibly signify blackness.  my post does, however, infer that a person engaging in said behavior [in seriousness] is likely acting out of a connection to the black community.

on a diff note, based on your conclusion and your interpretation of the post, it's pretty obvious that you have the vindictive mentality that makes other people feel the need to act in the ways described in my original post.

naw, you got me all wrong.  I was analyzing your "argument" for why Mariah should be considered black.  Don't take offense, there was nothing personal about it.  It was just that to one objective observer there seemed to be to to arguments that you were making, one of which was poorly supported.  The part in bold is with what I would take issue because someone could to all those things and just be fronting.  Either way it is a red herring argument with the evidence you gave.  I appologize if I offended you, shake on it?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: smujd2007 on August 20, 2005, 04:19:39 PM
I agree with the first post on this thread. Mariah should be left alone. I don't see what the big deal is.  So many people in America needlessly focus on criticizing and critiquing others and fail to solve their own problems. 

I am a big Mariah Carey fan as well, but this does not bias me in that way. My skin is not that light, in fact, it is a medium tone, and I have often been treated as an outcast by the black community because I talk white, have "light skin" and associate with "white people." I have other friends with "fair skin" who are treated the same way. It is a sad part of American culture, specifically African American culture. 

Great post whatyoudreamof.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 20, 2005, 05:16:22 PM
I agree with the first post on this thread. Mariah should be left alone. I don't see what the big deal is.  So many people in America needlessly focus on criticizing and critiquing others and fail to solve their own problems. 

I am a big Mariah Carey fan as well, but this does not bias me in that way. My skin is not that light, in fact, it is a medium tone, and I have often been treated as an outcast by the black community because I talk white, have "light skin" and associate with "white people." I have other friends with "fair skin" who are treated the same way. It is a sad part of American culture, specifically African American culture. 

Great post whatyoudreamof.

I am confused.  How can you have skin that is not that light, and in fact is a medium tone but have light skin?  I have a problem when people equate some ignorant people who are content with their ignorance and expect others to be as ignorant as them with the "black community."  Also, while I am on it, what is "talking white"???
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: smujd2007 on August 20, 2005, 05:49:15 PM
For starters, I hate the whole dark skin, light skin crap.  I am just making observations based on my personal experiences and what I have been told.  This stuff goes on in my family, which is why I made the comment. Because my skin is "lighter" than some of my family members, and I am "educated," I am considered to be an oreo or a sellout to them. The skin thing is relative to others, not necessarily restricted to dark and light. Some people have suggested that this is a mostly southern phenomenon, so I won't be so hard on you LP.

Talking white?  Come on, LP.  You know what that is. Its not speaking slang on a regular basis . . .using proper English when you converse with fellow human beings . . .got it?  :-\ :P :-*

I agree with the first post on this thread. Mariah should be left alone. I don't see what the big deal is.  So many people in America needlessly focus on criticizing and critiquing others and fail to solve their own problems. 

I am a big Mariah Carey fan as well, but this does not bias me in that way. My skin is not that light, in fact, it is a medium tone, and I have often been treated as an outcast by the black community because I talk white, have "light skin" and associate with "white people." I have other friends with "fair skin" who are treated the same way. It is a sad part of American culture, specifically African American culture. 

Great post whatyoudreamof.

I am confused. How can you have skin that is not that light, and in fact is a medium tone but have light skin? I have a problem when people equate some ignorant people who are content with their ignorance and expect others to be as ignorant as them with the "black community." Also, while I am on it, what is "talking white"???
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 20, 2005, 06:08:21 PM
LOL. I'm a Carey fan too, but I never knew people made such a big deal about her ethnicity or her "picking a side" (I didn't anyway).
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 20, 2005, 06:10:57 PM
For starters, I hate the whole dark skin, light skin crap.  I am just making observations based on my personal experiences and what I have been told.  This stuff goes on in my family, which is why I made the comment. Because my skin is "lighter" than some of my family members, and I am "educated," I am considered to be an oreo or a sellout to them. The skin thing is relative to others, not necessarily restricted to dark and light. Some people have suggested that this is a mostly southern phenomenon, so I won't be so hard on you LP.

Talking white?  Come on, LP.  You know what that is. Its not speaking slang on a regular basis . . .using proper English when you converse with fellow human beings . . .got it?  :-\ :P :-*

I agree with the first post on this thread. Mariah should be left alone. I don't see what the big deal is.  So many people in America needlessly focus on criticizing and critiquing others and fail to solve their own problems. 

I am a big Mariah Carey fan as well, but this does not bias me in that way. My skin is not that light, in fact, it is a medium tone, and I have often been treated as an outcast by the black community because I talk white, have "light skin" and associate with "white people." I have other friends with "fair skin" who are treated the same way. It is a sad part of American culture, specifically African American culture. 

Great post whatyoudreamof.

I am confused. How can you have skin that is not that light, and in fact is a medium tone but have light skin? I have a problem when people equate some ignorant people who are content with their ignorance and expect others to be as ignorant as them with the "black community." Also, while I am on it, what is "talking white"???

Well, interesting.  Your family must be JET BLACK, because you cant be considered light to anyone except someone who is JET BLACK, Jurple, as they say.  And if your experience is limited to your family, how does that explain anything that goes on outside of your family??  Yeah, you southerners are strange with  your strange ways....you all are still trying to be the house n-word.  And those that are not are mad at the ones who made it in the house.  I think that is where all of that stuff comes from.  

Well, perhaps when you are with your "uneducated" "dark" family you should not be so upity.  Talk on their level.  Perhaps they feel that you are talking down to them or think you are better than them and they are protecting their ego so they dont feel so bad about themselves???
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 20, 2005, 06:11:50 PM
LOL. I'm a Carey fan too, but I never knew people made such a big deal about her ethnicity or her "picking a side" (I didn't anyway).

And what does her ethnicity have anything to do with her being a NUT!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 20, 2005, 06:15:37 PM
 :D :D :D
You said that LP  ;). Love you Mariah :-*

LOL. I'm a Carey fan too, but I never knew people made such a big deal about her ethnicity or her "picking a side" (I didn't anyway).

And what does her ethnicity have anything to do with her being a NUT!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: smujd2007 on August 20, 2005, 06:42:31 PM
Leave me alone LP . . . . :P

I know what I'm talking about. And my experiences are not limited to my family, I'm just using them as an example.

I am not uppidy . . .I am very nice and very approachable. I am a huge flirt. I do everything I can to make people feel welcome in my presence, even when they have wronged me. After all, I am not here to judge people, that's someone else's job. I want to have fun and get to know people.  If my confidence astounds people, then they should look in the mirror, not me. I just love life and I have no time for needless drama.

So there.  ;D :P


Mariah is a bit of a nutcase, though . . .but I still love her.  :D

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Well, interesting.  Your family must be JET BLACK, because you cant be considered light to anyone except someone who is JET BLACK, Jurple, as they say.  And if your experience is limited to your family, how does that explain anything that goes on outside of your family??  Yeah, you southerners are strange with  your strange ways....you all are still trying to be the house n-word.  And those that are not are mad at the ones who made it in the house.  I think that is where all of that stuff comes from. 

Well, perhaps when you are with your "uneducated" "dark" family you should not be so upity.  Talk on their level.  Perhaps they feel that you are talking down to them or think you are better than them and they are protecting their ego so they dont feel so bad about themselves???
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Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 20, 2005, 11:38:00 PM

How do you get that based on his post that he has a vendictive mentality that makes other people feel the need to act in the ways described in your original post? You get that from the fact that he pointed out some flaws in your original post?  I thought the same thing, while I am not saying I disagree with your premise about mixed race people (I am not saying I agree either), I just didnt say post in response to it until now.  You probably should have just made your point without the example of Mariah Carey.  It was a truely flawed example. While you say that your original post was not entirely about Mariah, you sure put a lot of time into using her as an example.  It might have been a little confusing to those who are reading it what exactly your point was.  Even to those that are clear as to what your point was, your example was a poor example of the point you were trying to make.

first of all:  i know dude is vindictive because he says mariah is "trying to front like she is black".

who the hell is he to tell this woman she isn't black??? 

ONE MORE TIME: my post was not an argument for or against mariah carey's black ethnicity.  in fact, it should be clear to anyone with a sixth grade reading level who has ever answered a multiple-choice "which of the following does the author assume..." question that THIS author is assuming mariah carey to be the ethnicities she claims.

dude also came off as quite the hater by implying that a person is somehow "blacker" because of her zipcode, a premise which is ludicrous at best.

second of all:  mariah carey is a perfect example of what the post is actually about--even 3peat can see that many of mariah's actions are a form of "overplaying...blackness".  i'm just trying to figure out why people like 3peat so readily reject people like mariah--to the point that they have to "overplay" a part of themselves that is, in all actuality, simply a matter of genetics.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 20, 2005, 11:52:23 PM

naw, you got me all wrong.  I was analyzing your "argument" for why Mariah should be considered black.  Don't take offense, there was nothing personal about it.  It was just that to one objective observer there seemed to be to to arguments that you were making, one of which was poorly supported.  The part in bold is with what I would take issue because someone could to all those things and just be fronting.  Either way it is a red herring argument with the evidence you gave.  I appologize if I offended you, shake on it?


stop throwing around terms like "red herring" like this is your first day of jr high competitive debate.  it's not that serious...  mariah carey feeling the need to act like a hoodrat is CLEARLY not a red herring.  it's an observation PERFECTLY in line with the singular theme of the post (which was CLEARLY more observational than argumentative).

and by the way: i have you pretty well pegged.  like tide, you showed your true colors in your original post. 
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 12:19:29 AM

How do you get that based on his post that he has a vendictive mentality that makes other people feel the need to act in the ways described in your original post? You get that from the fact that he pointed out some flaws in your original post?  I thought the same thing, while I am not saying I disagree with your premise about mixed race people (I am not saying I agree either), I just didnt say post in response to it until now.  You probably should have just made your point without the example of Mariah Carey.  It was a truely flawed example. While you say that your original post was not entirely about Mariah, you sure put a lot of time into using her as an example.  It might have been a little confusing to those who are reading it what exactly your point was.  Even to those that are clear as to what your point was, your example was a poor example of the point you were trying to make.

first of all:  i know dude is vindictive because he says mariah is "trying to front like she is black".

who the hell is he to tell this woman she isn't black??? 

ONE MORE TIME: my post was not an argument for or against mariah carey's black ethnicity.  in fact, it should be clear to anyone with a sixth grade reading level who has ever answered a multiple-choice "which of the following does the author assume..." question that THIS author is assuming mariah carey to be the ethnicities she claims.

dude also came off as quite the hater by implying that a person is somehow "blacker" because of her zipcode, a premise which is ludicrous at best.

second of all:  mariah carey is a perfect example of what the post is actually about--even 3peat can see that many of mariah's actions are a form of "overplaying...blackness".  i'm just trying to figure out why people like 3peat so readily reject people like mariah--to the point that they have to "overplay" a part of themselves that is, in all actuality, simply a matter of genetics.

Isnt the fact that Mariah is fronting like she is black a possibility just as what you allege is a possibility?  How is your premise sound and accurate but his cant be???  I dont think he is saying she aint black, I think he is saying your reasons for saying she is black dont really logically follow.  But that is just my reading. 
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 12:35:32 AM
Get real.  People having to live up to some imaginary standard of blackness has nothing to do with skin tone.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 12:44:02 AM

Isnt the fact that Mariah is fronting like she is black a possibility just as what you allege is a possibility?  How is your premise sound and accurate but his cant be???  I dont think he is saying she aint black, I think he is saying your reasons for saying she is black dont really logically follow.  But that is just my reading. 

omfg

surely you are flaming.

my original post is not arguing for or against mariah carey's being black.  

to prove that mariah carey is black is not the purpose of the post.  

perhaps, more importantly, the post is not an argument.  

in what language do i have to say this so that you people understand?

why do you even assume that mariah carey's ethnicity is arguable??  you don't run around asking angie stone what neighborhood she grew up in.  you don't ask her for any evidence of recent donations to the uncf.

if the woman says she is black, you are just going to have to take her word for it.  if you want an argument, then here's a good one:

RESOLVE: BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS BLACK--WITHOUT BEING MADE TO FEEL THE NEED TO PROVE THEIR BLACKNESS.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 01:03:58 AM
"Black" is not a culture.  Or if it is some sort of huge macroculture, it doesn't at all work the way people think it does. Bottom line: Mariah Carey's daddy is black, ergo Mariah Carey is black.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:09:18 AM
"Black" is not a culture.  Or if it is some sort of huge macroculture, it doesn't at all work the way people think it does. Bottom line: Mariah Carey's daddy is black, ergo Mariah Carey is black.

Isnt Mariah's mother white, by your logic, that would make her white.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:14:56 AM

Isnt the fact that Mariah is fronting like she is black a possibility just as what you allege is a possibility?  How is your premise sound and accurate but his cant be???  I dont think he is saying she aint black, I think he is saying your reasons for saying she is black dont really logically follow.  But that is just my reading. 

omfg

surely you are flaming.

my original post is not arguing for or against mariah carey's being black.  

to prove that mariah carey is black is not the purpose of the post.  

perhaps, more importantly, the post is not an argument.  

in what language do i have to say this so that you people understand?

why do you even assume that mariah carey's ethnicity is arguable??  you don't run around asking angie stone what neighborhood she grew up in.  you don't ask her for any evidence of recent donations to the uncf.

if the woman says she is black, you are just going to have to take her word for it.  if you want an argument, then here's a good one:

RESOLVE: BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS BLACK--WITHOUT BEING MADE TO FEEL THE NEED TO PROVE THEIR BLACKNESS.
No, I am not flaming....perhaps you should omit this part of your original post as it seems to be the part that is causing the most amound of trouble. 
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i wonder if these people are blind.  do they not see the black folks dancing in the fields with mariah in these videos?  or the obligatory chubby black kid in 90% of them?  do they ignore the fact that a recurring theme in her visual repertoire is singing with a black choir in a black church?  the poor thing has even had videos wherein she sports long, braided extensions and a du rag.  and have u seen her entourage?  what else does this woman have to do to let people know she considers herself a pt of black america??
  Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness.  I dont know.  I am not saying what you intended by your original post, I was commenting on your comments on 3peat's post.  It is not that serious.  Perhaps you should be more clear in your original post as to what you posted for and that way you wont have to worry about someone misconstruing your intention.  And sometimes people post here and others take that discussion off in another direction  Is that ok with you??????
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 01:16:23 AM
"Black" is not a culture.  Or if it is some sort of huge macroculture, it doesn't at all work the way people think it does. Bottom line: Mariah Carey's daddy is black, ergo Mariah Carey is black.

Isnt Mariah's mother white, by your logic, that would make her white.

One Drop Rule.

Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness.

...Internal?  Are you black(I'm actually asking)
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 01:32:56 AM
No, I am not flaming....perhaps you should omit this part of your original post as it seems to be the part that is causing the most amound of trouble. 
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i wonder if these people are blind.  do they not see the black folks dancing in the fields with mariah in these videos?  or the obligatory chubby black kid in 90% of them?  do they ignore the fact that a recurring theme in her visual repertoire is singing with a black choir in a black church?  the poor thing has even had videos wherein she sports long, braided extensions and a du rag.  and have u seen her entourage?  what else does this woman have to do to let people know she considers herself a pt of black america??
  Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness. 

i will try one more time to explain this to you bc it is flooring me that you still don't understand the post. 

you said that perhaps mc feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness. 

well..first off, emotional feelings are, by def, internal.

more importantly, the list of things you mentioned i should delete are all things that i believe mariah did to "prove her blackness", just as my cousin sometimes uses ebonics to "prove" that she is black.  if you will reread the post, you will note that i indicate the people who act in the ways i listed do so because they "feel the need to"... in lieu of some other obvious sign that they are black. 

thus, your epiphany that mariah carey may "feel pressure" to "prove her blackness" is actually what the original post discusses. 

my question to the posters was "why do members of the black community insist on making her feel this way?"
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:54:04 AM
"Black" is not a culture.  Or if it is some sort of huge macroculture, it doesn't at all work the way people think it does. Bottom line: Mariah Carey's daddy is black, ergo Mariah Carey is black.

Isnt Mariah's mother white, by your logic, that would make her white.

One Drop Rule.

Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness.

...Internal?  Are you black(I'm actually asking)

is the one drop rule law???  Does it matter if I am black?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 02:02:38 AM
No, I am not flaming....perhaps you should omit this part of your original post as it seems to be the part that is causing the most amound of trouble. 
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i wonder if these people are blind.  do they not see the black folks dancing in the fields with mariah in these videos?  or the obligatory chubby black kid in 90% of them?  do they ignore the fact that a recurring theme in her visual repertoire is singing with a black choir in a black church?  the poor thing has even had videos wherein she sports long, braided extensions and a du rag.  and have u seen her entourage?  what else does this woman have to do to let people know she considers herself a pt of black america??
  Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness. 

i will try one more time to explain this to you bc it is flooring me that you still don't understand the post. 

you said that perhaps mc feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness. 

well..first off, emotional feelings are, by def, internal.

more importantly, the list of things you mentioned i should delete are all things that i believe mariah did to "prove her blackness", just as my cousin sometimes uses ebonics to "prove" that she is black.  if you will reread the post, you will note that i indicate the people who act in the ways i listed do so because they "feel the need to"... in lieu of some other obvious sign that they are black. 

thus, your epiphany that mariah carey may "feel pressure" to "prove her blackness" is actually what the original post discusses. 

my question to the posters was "why do members of the black community insist on making her feel this way?"
Well, while emotional feelings are by definition internal, they sometimes come from some external pressure...as you have pointed out so many times.  Perhaps her internal pressure is self created??  I undersand what you think, but again, why is it that you think your point is the only valid point.  I believe 3peat was arguing that perhaps those are not things that MC was doing to "prove" she was black as they dont go to proving blackness.  I am not agreeing or disagreeing with either of you, I am just and have been trying to explain what 3peat might have been trying to say.  I dont know what is so difficult to understand about that.  I have had no epiphanies....just a statement to continue the discussion you were attempting to creat.  I never said I disagree with your original post.....In fact, I have said I am not agreeing or disagreeing with either of you.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 02:09:42 AM
"Black" is not a culture.  Or if it is some sort of huge macroculture, it doesn't at all work the way people think it does. Bottom line: Mariah Carey's daddy is black, ergo Mariah Carey is black.

Isnt Mariah's mother white, by your logic, that would make her white.

One Drop Rule.

Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness.

...Internal?  Are you black(I'm actually asking)

is the one drop rule law???  Does it matter if I am black?

Did anyone even refer to legality in the discussion of whether or not she's black?  Are you black?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: TrojanChispas on August 21, 2005, 07:14:58 AM
1.  Your original post did argue that MC was black.  When you put an argument for ANYTHING on this website be prepared to defend and bolster that argument.

2.  I have no opinion whether MC is black or not, but take issue with the evidence that you use to prove she is black because it is equally effective at proving the exact opposite===> red herring (sorry, maybe I should say the issue is moot)

3.  This is not a personal issue between you and I. I have no beef with you and already tried to appologize if my op was too harsh.

4.  Dont resort to personal attacks; you only belittle yourself.

5.  HTH
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 08:38:01 AM
I just wanna throw this back out, thanks LP  ;) :)


And what does her ethnicity have anything to do with her being a NUT!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 10:06:17 AM
"Black" is not a culture.  Or if it is some sort of huge macroculture, it doesn't at all work the way people think it does. Bottom line: Mariah Carey's daddy is black, ergo Mariah Carey is black.

Isnt Mariah's mother white, by your logic, that would make her white.

One Drop Rule.

Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness.

...Internal?  Are you black(I'm actually asking)

is the one drop rule law???  Does it matter if I am black?

Did anyone even refer to legality in the discussion of whether or not she's black?  Are you black?

I mentioned it in the discussion in context of the one drop rule.  I am allowed to expand the discussion or is that only allowed by you?  Why does it matter if I am black or not?  For the sake of discussion, say I am not black, so what?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 10:07:30 AM
I just wanna throw this back out, thanks LP  ;) :)


And what does her ethnicity have anything to do with her being a NUT!!!!!!!!

Anytime, *j
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 10:10:58 AM
1.  Your original post did argue that MC was black.  When you put an argument for ANYTHING on this website be prepared to defend and bolster that argument.

2.  I have no opinion whether MC is black or not, but take issue with the evidence that you use to prove she is black because it is equally effective at proving the exact opposite===> red herring (sorry, maybe I should say the issue is moot)

3.  This is not a personal issue between you and I. I have no beef with you and already tried to appologize if my op was too harsh.

4.  Dont resort to personal attacks; you only belittle yourself.

5.  HTH

i'm still trying to figure out how a twenty-six year old man can get through undergrad, into law school, know the term "red herring" and still not know the diff. btw assumption and argumentation.

over a decade ago, when whatever ttteacher shared with you the fundamental fallacies in modern thought, didn't he also teach you about implicit assumption?  i know you've taken at least one philosophy class.  you could have, by a stretch, at least recognized mc's blackness as an assumption based on basic knowledge of value judgments. 

and kid...you are the one squirming about harshness.  if u r going to create arguments where none exist, be prepared to be called an idiot.  because i don't think i'm stuck in a neverending policy debate.  i like ad hominem.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 10:27:50 AM
Well, while emotional feelings are by definition internal, they sometimes come from some external pressure...as you have pointed out so many times.

another "epiphany"!  aren't you just officially in charge of the obvious? 

i only pointed out that obvious fact so that you would be able to clearly see the diff. btw a cause of a feeling and the feeling itself (and,similarly, the feeling and the actions resulting bc of it). 

Perhaps her internal pressure is self created?? 

i don't think it is, and if you've ever had a close friend who could "pass" (or even grew up in the suburbs or used proper english), then you know of the flack they've gotten from the black community--people complain that they are told they "talk white" every day.

to use mariah as an example, the action of broadcasting to the world a manifold knowledge of chickens and ash may come from the feeling that she isn't being accepted by the black community.  this feeling may, in turn, come from the fact that people keep QUESTIONING HER F&%$#@*!G ETHNICITY.

THUS:

"that b!tch is not black" (society's thoughts) ---> "maybe i'm still not 'black enough'" (mariah's thoughts) ---> "these chickens is ash and i'm lo-tion" (piteous lyrics)
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 10:59:49 AM
Well, while emotional feelings are by definition internal, they sometimes come from some external pressure...as you have pointed out so many times.

another "epiphany"!  aren't you just officially in charge of the obvious? 

i only pointed out that obvious fact so that you would be able to clearly see the diff. btw a cause of a feeling and the feeling itself (and,similarly, the feeling and the actions resulting bc of it). 

Perhaps her internal pressure is self created?? 

i don't think it is, and if you've ever had a close friend who could "pass" (or even grew up in the suburbs or used proper english), then you know of the flack they've gotten from the black community--people complain that they are told they "talk white" every day.

to use mariah as an example, the action of broadcasting to the world a manifold knowledge of chickens and ash may come from the feeling that she isn't being accepted by the black community.  this feeling may, in turn, come from the fact that people keep QUESTIONING HER F&%$#@*!G ETHNICITY.

THUS:

"that b!tch is not black" (society's thoughts) ---> "maybe i'm still not 'black enough'" (mariah's thoughts) ---> "these chickens is ash and i'm lo-tion" (piteous lyrics)


WOW, you seem to develop an attitude when people disagree.  A sure sign of imaturatity.  You act as if you are the queen of black pressure to act black.  Just because you are a fan of MC does not mean you know what makes her tick.  And your childish insults are not going to get me into an insult contest with you.  The reason you insult is because there is nothing to your argument.  It just just your feelings as to why MC acts the way she does.  Perhaps she acts the way she does because she is a hood rat?  Perhaps she does so because she puts pressure on herself and it is not the "black community"  Since when has MC been so important that the "black community" gotten together to discuss her ethnicity? 

You dont think her internal pressure is self created, because you have a friend who went through something similar.  Oh, well why didnt you just say so, that explains everything and of course everyone going through the same thing reacts the same.  The fact that she is not secure enough in her ethnicity cant be put on the "black community."  When you are grown, you have to take responsibility for your own actions.  Not blame them on the "black community."

Impressive, not only cant you read the thoughts of MC, but in fact you have shown the ability to read the thoughts of ENTIRE society!   
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 11:02:32 AM
"Black" is not a culture.  Or if it is some sort of huge macroculture, it doesn't at all work the way people think it does. Bottom line: Mariah Carey's daddy is black, ergo Mariah Carey is black.

Isnt Mariah's mother white, by your logic, that would make her white.

One Drop Rule.

Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness.

...Internal?  Are you black(I'm actually asking)

is the one drop rule law???  Does it matter if I am black?

Did anyone even refer to legality in the discussion of whether or not she's black?  Are you black?

I mentioned it in the discussion in context of the one drop rule.  I am allowed to expand the discussion or is that only allowed by you?  Why does it matter if I am black or not?  For the sake of discussion, say I am not black, so what?

It matters if you're black, and it doesn't matter whether one drop rule is legal or not.  One drop rule remains a mentality that makes MC black.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 11:06:27 AM

 this feeling may, in turn, come from the fact that people keep QUESTIONING HER F&%$#@*!G ETHNICITY.

THUS:

"that b!tch is not black" (society's thoughts) ---> "maybe i'm still not 'black enough'" (mariah's thoughts) ---> "these chickens is ash and i'm lo-tion" (piteous lyrics)



Okay... ???
Is it just me or does anyone else think that she's reading too much into that lyric?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 11:06:33 AM
"Black" is not a culture.  Or if it is some sort of huge macroculture, it doesn't at all work the way people think it does. Bottom line: Mariah Carey's daddy is black, ergo Mariah Carey is black.

Isnt Mariah's mother white, by your logic, that would make her white.

One Drop Rule.

Maybe Mariah feels some internal pressure to prove her blackness.

...Internal?  Are you black(I'm actually asking)

is the one drop rule law???  Does it matter if I am black?

Did anyone even refer to legality in the discussion of whether or not she's black?  Are you black?

I mentioned it in the discussion in context of the one drop rule.  I am allowed to expand the discussion or is that only allowed by you?  Why does it matter if I am black or not?  For the sake of discussion, say I am not black, so what?

It matters if you're black, and it doesn't matter whether one drop rule is legal or not.  One drop rule remains a mentality that makes MC black.

Why would it possiby matter if I am black?  The law does not matter?  Since when?  How does the one drop rule remain the mentality that makes  MC black?  I bet there are some people on  here that have one drop of black blood in them and would argue with you that they are black.  You are saying that what someone thinks they are makes no difference?  What if MC thinks she is white, or mixed-race? 
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 11:19:19 AM
I asked if you were black in response to you saying "internal pressure" - it's not germane to the one drop rule section of the argument.

Is there a law about how much black ancestry makes one black?  Does that change my point of view, even if so?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 11:24:56 AM
I asked if you were black in response to you saying "internal pressure" - it's not germane to the one drop rule section of the argument.

Is there a law about how much black ancestry makes one black?  Does that change my point of view, even if so?

What does my being black have to do with my saying "internal pressure"  Do I have to be black to discuss internal pressure on others in defining their own blackness? 

I dont know if there is a law about how much black ancestry makes one black.  Maybe there is  and maybe there isnt.  Even if it does not change your point of view, what does that have to do with inserting it in a conversation?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 11:27:00 AM
The reason you insult is because there is nothing to your argument.

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO

that is what i told you 20 posts ago.

there is no resolution to my post.

there are no contentions to back any resolution.

thus, MY POST IS NOT ARGUMENTATIVE.

the form of the post is: a series of anthropological observations ending with a question to this community about possible motivation behind observed phenomena.

p.s.  i insult you because u talk and reason like u graduated at the bottom 10% of jones high school...and then ended your education.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 11:28:27 AM
I asked if you were black in response to you saying "internal pressure" - it's not germane to the one drop rule section of the argument.

Is there a law about how much black ancestry makes one black?  Does that change my point of view, even if so?

What does my being black have to do with my saying "internal pressure"  Do I have to be black to discuss internal pressure on others in defining their own blackness? 

I dont know if there is a law about how much black ancestry makes one black.  Maybe there is  and maybe there isnt.  Even if it does not change your point of view, what does that have to do with inserting it in a conversation?

You being black would do wonders to illustrate how exposed you are to any pressure regarding being black.  Hence the question, which I will repeat: are you black?  It's not an ambush or a trap.  It's a simple question that will allow me to understand the perspective of the person I'm discussing this with.

If you don't know if there is a law on it, then asking if the One Drop rule is law is utterly pointless.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: angmill08 on August 21, 2005, 11:39:13 AM
It was my impression that when she started getting big (in the early 1990s, or late 1980s, I don't remember for sure) she said she was not black.

Now, I don't know if she actually said that, or if a reporter made that up, or if something she said about being bi-racial got misinterpreted or what. But for a while there the public perception was that she said she was not black.

The "check the box" and/or "what are you?" ideology is frustrating, and people can try to point out its limitations by self-defining their race (saying something like, "What am I? I'm Native American/African American/Irish American, you might just call me American!") or they might just get in where they fit in by identifying loud and clear with a recognized race or ethnicity. JLo was very clear and proud about being Puerto Rican from day one, so there is no speculation about her ethnicity, although she, like most Puerto Ricans, is "mixed race" by US racial standards.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 11:47:03 AM
 ::) ::) This thread is stupid.  I like MC too, but who really gives two sh!ts about her ethnicity, or her for that matter? 

People feel she's not claiming her "black" side-SO WHAT!!!  MC should be mature enough to understand that she don't have to answer to anybody, no matter how many times she puts black people in her videos dancing in the field and wearing do-rags ::).. :D
At the end of the day, she knows who and what she is-and nobody really gives a  :o, so let it go.   
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 12:20:17 PM
The reason you insult is because there is nothing to your argument.

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO

that is what i told you 20 posts ago.

there is no resolution to my post.

there are no contentions to back any resolution.

thus, MY POST IS NOT ARGUMENTATIVE.

the form of the post is: a series of anthropological observations ending with a question to this community about possible motivation behind observed phenomena.

p.s.  i insult you because u talk and reason like u graduated at the bottom 10% of jones high school...and then ended your education.

Wow, you really do have some issues.  I never sand that your post was argumentative.  I said that you were attempting to make a particular argument and there was nothing to your argument.  Well, your anthropological observations might have been incorrect.  You cant even acknowledge that fact.  I am secure in myself that your insults do not affect me.  Keep'em coming, they bring a little humor to my day.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 12:24:19 PM
I asked if you were black in response to you saying "internal pressure" - it's not germane to the one drop rule section of the argument.

Is there a law about how much black ancestry makes one black?  Does that change my point of view, even if so?

What does my being black have to do with my saying "internal pressure"  Do I have to be black to discuss internal pressure on others in defining their own blackness? 

I dont know if there is a law about how much black ancestry makes one black.  Maybe there is  and maybe there isnt.  Even if it does not change your point of view, what does that have to do with inserting it in a conversation?

You being black would do wonders to illustrate how exposed you are to any pressure regarding being black.  Hence the question, which I will repeat: are you black?  It's not an ambush or a trap.  It's a simple question that will allow me to understand the perspective of the person I'm discussing this with.

If you don't know if there is a law on it, then asking if the One Drop rule is law is utterly pointless.

Are you saying I cant be exposed to pressure regarding being black unless I am black?  What if my step brother is black and he has pressure and he has told me?  What if my best friend is black and has pressure and he has told me?  What if I have observed blacks in my family being talked about regarding their blackness?  A better question would be regarding my experiences to the pressures of being black.  I never claimed it was am ambush, I told you to assume that I am not black. 

You are saying that you only ask questions that you know the answer to?  It would seem that it is a good point to ask whether the one drop rule is a law.  By that logic, does it mean that your question regarding my blackness is utterly pointless, since obviously you dont know the answer to that question????
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 12:25:17 PM
::) ::) This thread is stupid.  I like MC too, but who really gives two sh!ts about her ethnicity, or her for that matter? 

out of curiosity (and i'm asking this in all seriousness):

do you also not care about how the black community treats its non-celebrity members?

is it okay for blacks to reject or put down other blacks because they have long hair or a big vocabulary or an interest in rock music or light-colored eyes or a white friend/love interest or any other such superficial issue?

arguing about mariah carey's ethnicity is CLEARLY pointless, but the reality of the aforementioned treatment is not.  it's real, and it has to stop if the black community intends to be supportive of all its vastly diverse and often maligned parts.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 12:26:36 PM
::) ::) This thread is stupid.  I like MC too, but who really gives two sh!ts about her ethnicity, or her for that matter? 

People feel she's not claiming her "black" side-SO WHAT!!!  MC should be mature enough to understand that she don't have to answer to anybody, no matter how many times she puts black people in her videos dancing in the field and wearing do-rags ::).. :D
At the end of the day, she knows who and what she is-and nobody really gives a  :o, so let it go.   

AMEN!!!!!
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 12:29:38 PM
::) ::) This thread is stupid.  I like MC too, but who really gives two sh!ts about her ethnicity, or her for that matter? 

out of curiosity (and i'm asking this in all seriousness):

do you also not care about how the black community treats its non-celebrity members?

is it okay for blacks to reject or put down other blacks because they have long hair or a big vocabulary or an interest in rock music or light-colored eyes or a white friend/love interest or any other such superficial issue?

arguing about mariah carey's ethnicity is CLEARLY pointless, but the reality of the aforementioned treatment is not.  it's real, and it has to stop if the black community intends to be supportive of all its vastly diverse and often maligned parts.


Of course it is not okay. 
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 12:32:25 PM
Are you saying I cant be exposed to pressure regarding being black unless I am black?

Actually, that's exactly what I'm telling you.

What if my step brother is black and he has pressure and he has told me?  What if my best friend is black and has pressure and he has told me?  What if I have observed blacks in my family being talked about regarding their blackness?  A better question would be regarding my experiences to the pressures of being black.  I never claimed it was am ambush, I told you to assume that I am not black.

Are you aware of the difference between a primary and secondary source?  And which would take precedence?  And why is it so important for you to dodge the question?

You are saying that you only ask questions that you know the answer to?

I am saying that it is not a good question on an argumental basis.  An argument is what we're having.
 
It would seem that it is a good point to ask whether the one drop rule is a law.  By that logic, does it mean that your question regarding my blackness is utterly pointless, since obviously you dont know the answer to that question?

It is not a good POINT - it is a good question, but in an argument situation you can't possibly hope that that refutes anything or aids you in any way.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 12:42:38 PM
Are you saying I cant be exposed to pressure regarding being black unless I am black?

Actually, that's exactly what I'm telling you.

What if my step brother is black and he has pressure and he has told me?  What if my best friend is black and has pressure and he has told me?  What if I have observed blacks in my family being talked about regarding their blackness?  A better question would be regarding my experiences to the pressures of being black.  I never claimed it was am ambush, I told you to assume that I am not black.

Are you aware of the difference between a primary and secondary source?  And which would take precedence?  And why is it so important for you to dodge the question?

You are saying that you only ask questions that you know the answer to?

I am saying that it is not a good question on an argumental basis.  An argument is what we're having.
 
It would seem that it is a good point to ask whether the one drop rule is a law.  By that logic, does it mean that your question regarding my blackness is utterly pointless, since obviously you dont know the answer to that question?

It is not a good POINT - it is a good question, but in an argument situation you can't possibly hope that that refutes anything or aids you in any way.

Well, you are incorrect.  I can in fact be exposed to the pressure of being black without in fact being black.  Whether I get to experience it myself or through someone else, it is nonetheless experience.  I am quite aware of the difference between primary and secondary sources.  While primary sources are preferred, secondary sources do provide a wealth of information.  Clearly primary sources of information are better, but I dont see that what I have told you is dodging the question.  I have told you to assume that I am not black.  How many times do I have to say that??  How do you get off telling me how to make my points in an argument?  I can make my points anyway that I see fit.  I will ask the questions that I think make my point and you ask the questions that make yours.  I am not saying that the question is a point, I am saying it is a good point to ask a good question.  Two different things.  But thanks for saying it was a good question. ;)  Why cant that aid me in any way?  The question does not refute anything but the answer to the question might possibly refute something. ;D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 12:49:37 PM
Well, you are incorrect.

Damn, you caught me.  You said I'm incorrect - I must not be correct.  Well if you put it like that, it MUST be true.  Stating opinions as facts without factual basis is for the strong, sense is for the weak.

I have told you to assume that I am not black.  How many times do I have to say that?? 

I'm not a big fan of assumptions.  If someone says "just assume this", I tend to get a tad suspicious.  Why didn't they come out and say one way or another?  Answer straight up: are you or are you not black.

How do you get off telling me how to make my points in an argument?

Did I do that?

I can make my points anyway that I see fit.  I will ask the questions that I think make my point and you ask the questions that make yours.  I am not saying that the question is a point, I am saying it is a good point to ask a good question.  Two different things.  But thanks for saying it was a good question.

You're welcome.

Why cant that aid me in any way?  The question does not refute anything but the answer to the question might possibly refute something.

Then shouldn't you have, say, looked it up and then used the ANSWER, had it supported you, against me rather than the question?  That's like attacking me with the trigger rather than pulling it.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 12:53:13 PM
::) ::) This thread is stupid.  I like MC too, but who really gives two sh!ts about her ethnicity, or her for that matter? 

out of curiosity (and i'm asking this in all seriousness):

do you also not care about how the black community treats its non-celebrity members?

is it okay for blacks to reject or put down other blacks because they have long hair or a big vocabulary or an interest in rock music or light-colored eyes or a white friend/love interest or any other such superficial issue?

arguing about mariah carey's ethnicity is CLEARLY pointless, but the reality of the aforementioned treatment is not.  it's real, and it has to stop if the black community intends to be supportive of all its vastly diverse and often maligned parts.


This definitely makes the convo much more interesting than MC (love you :)), but to kill your curiousity, YES, I absolutely care about how we treat our black community, celebrity or not.  It's one thing to have others break you down, but to have your own community do the same-smh :'(.  It's an issue that's constantly addressed with little results, and I feel you on that tip.

Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: TrojanChispas on August 21, 2005, 12:58:51 PM
whatyoudreamof=lavia

HTH
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:02:35 PM
Well, you are incorrect.

Damn, you caught me.  You said I'm incorrect - I must not be correct.  Well if you put it like that, it MUST be true.  Stating opinions as facts without factual basis is for the strong, sense is for the weak.

If you are going to quote me, quote me completely.  While the part you quoted is an opinion, I did not state an opinion as facts without a factual basis.  My entire statement was "Well, you are incorrect.  I can in fact be exposed to the pressure of being black without in fact being black.  Whether I get to experience it myself or through someone else, it is nonetheless experience."

I have told you to assume that I am not black.  How many times do I have to say that?? 

I'm not a big fan of assumptions.  If someone says "just assume this", I tend to get a tad suspicious.  Why didn't they come out and say one way or another?  Answer straight up: are you or are you not black.

Sorry that you are not a fan of assumptions.  I love assumptions, but perhaps it is an occupational hazard.  The best answer I can give is that I dont consider myself black.  Is that straight enough for you?

How do you get off telling me how to make my points in an argument?

Did I do that?

Yes.

I can make my points anyway that I see fit.  I will ask the questions that I think make my point and you ask the questions that make yours.  I am not saying that the question is a point, I am saying it is a good point to ask a good question.  Two different things.  But thanks for saying it was a good question.

You're welcome.

:-*

Why cant that aid me in any way?  The question does not refute anything but the answer to the question might possibly refute something.

Then shouldn't you have, say, looked it up and then used the ANSWER, had it supported you, against me rather than the question?  That's like attacking me with the trigger rather than pulling it.

Here you go trying to tell me how to make my argument.  I handled it the way I wanted to...and for the record, I know the answer to my question.  I just dont have to tell you that.  I didnt need to look it up.  Perhaps I would have pulled the trigger had you answered that question about whether one drop makes you black is a law.  For someone who is so hell bent on getting answers to his questions, you sure dont like to answer questions.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:03:57 PM
whatyoudreamof=lavia

HTH

I believe Lavia was WAY before my time. ;D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 01:05:28 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 01:07:05 PM
LOL.  I wasn't here to experience the wrath of Lavia, but it's funny to me how someone would just mention her name and all of the sudden, there's a understanding without having to say anything else.  :D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 01:08:11 PM
Who the hell is Lavia?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 01:08:28 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Wait, why is it so important to know if he's black again  ??? :-\...
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 01:08:57 PM
::) ::) This thread is stupid.  I like MC too, but who really gives two sh!ts about her ethnicity, or her for that matter? 

out of curiosity (and i'm asking this in all seriousness):

do you also not care about how the black community treats its non-celebrity members?

is it okay for blacks to reject or put down other blacks because they have long hair or a big vocabulary or an interest in rock music or light-colored eyes or a white friend/love interest or any other such superficial issue?

arguing about mariah carey's ethnicity is CLEARLY pointless, but the reality of the aforementioned treatment is not.  it's real, and it has to stop if the black community intends to be supportive of all its vastly diverse and often maligned parts.


This definitely makes the convo much more interesting than MC (love you :)), but to kill your curiousity, YES, I absolutely care about how we treat our black community, celebrity or not.  It's one thing to have others break you down, but to have your own community do the same-smh :'(.  It's an issue that's constantly addressed with little results, and I feel you on that tip.



and that's all i was asking about in the original post.  i merely used mariah carey to illustrate that treatment because she is someone who has an obviously mixed-raced phenotype, and who has experienced that sort of treatment in the public eye (from sandra bernhard's declaration that she "be actin' all niggerish with puff daddy in the royalton hotel" down to the made-up allegations that she has denied her heritege).  she is also someone whose stereotypically "black" behavior has ballooned greatly throughout the years.

in any case, had i known that using her as an illustration of the treatment/behavior the post was referring to would be so distracting, i would have just described some more personal experiences.

i really wish posters would have discussed the main idea of the post.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 01:09:23 PM
Because of the other wing of the argument, pressure to live up to blackness.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:14:15 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 01:17:25 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.

If I were enlightened enough to have heard of the One Drop Rule,  how feasible is it that I would think it was still law?  Bottom line: no.  And you haven't answered anything about whether or not you're black, just asked me to make assumptions.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 01:17:36 PM
LOL LP.

And Whatyoudreamof, gotcha  :).  It's so easy to get off topic, as you can see above  ::).
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 01:29:50 PM
 :D :D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: smujd2007 on August 21, 2005, 01:36:09 PM
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Can't we all just get along?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:37:28 PM
Well, you are incorrect.

Damn, you caught me.  You said I'm incorrect - I must not be correct.  Well if you put it like that, it MUST be true.  Stating opinions as facts without factual basis is for the strong, sense is for the weak.

If you are going to quote me, quote me completely.  While the part you quoted is an opinion, I did not state an opinion as facts without a factual basis.  My entire statement was "Well, you are incorrect.  I can in fact be exposed to the pressure of being black without in fact being black.  Whether I get to experience it myself or through someone else, it is nonetheless experience."

I have told you to assume that I am not black.  How many times do I have to say that?? 

I'm not a big fan of assumptions.  If someone says "just assume this", I tend to get a tad suspicious.  Why didn't they come out and say one way or another?  Answer straight up: are you or are you not black.

Sorry that you are not a fan of assumptions.  I love assumptions, but perhaps it is an occupational hazard.  The best answer I can give is that I dont consider myself black.  Is that straight enough for you?

How do you get off telling me how to make my points in an argument?

Did I do that?

Yes.

I can make my points anyway that I see fit.  I will ask the questions that I think make my point and you ask the questions that make yours.  I am not saying that the question is a point, I am saying it is a good point to ask a good question.  Two different things.  But thanks for saying it was a good question.

You're welcome.

:-*

Why cant that aid me in any way?  The question does not refute anything but the answer to the question might possibly refute something.

Then shouldn't you have, say, looked it up and then used the ANSWER, had it supported you, against me rather than the question?  That's like attacking me with the trigger rather than pulling it.

Here you go trying to tell me how to make my argument.  I handled it the way I wanted to...and for the record, I know the answer to my question.  I just dont have to tell you that.  I didnt need to look it up.  Perhaps I would have pulled the trigger had you answered that question about whether one drop makes you black is a law.  For someone who is so hell bent on getting answers to his questions, you sure dont like to answer questions.

Hey Soldier, look at the highlighted portion.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:39:08 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.

If I were enlightened enough to have heard of the One Drop Rule,  how feasible is it that I would think it was still law?  Bottom line: no.  And you haven't answered anything about whether or not you're black, just asked me to make assumptions.

There are many southerns who are enlightened enough to have heard of the one drop rule but think it is still law.  I just answered the question, look above.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 01:39:14 PM
??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Can't we all just get along?


LOL.  Not until we have a clear understanding of what everyone's ethnicity is in order to contribute to the conversation... :D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:40:50 PM
??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Can't we all just get along?


LOL.  Not until we have a clear understanding of what everyone's ethnicity is in order to contribute to the conversation... :D

Yes, because Lord knows that I cant possibly have anything of substance to contribute to this conversation until I identify my ethnicity.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 01:42:15 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.

If I were enlightened enough to have heard of the One Drop Rule,  how feasible is it that I would think it was still law?  Bottom line: no.  And you haven't answered anything about whether or not you're black, just asked me to make assumptions.

There are many southerns who are enlightened enough to have heard of the one drop rule but think it is still law.  I just answered the question, look above.

*sigh* Whatever.  Conceded.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:45:58 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.

If I were enlightened enough to have heard of the One Drop Rule,  how feasible is it that I would think it was still law?  Bottom line: no.  And you haven't answered anything about whether or not you're black, just asked me to make assumptions.

There are many southerns who are enlightened enough to have heard of the one drop rule but think it is still law.  I just answered the question, look above.

*sigh* Whatever.  Conceded.

Your logic is flawed from the beginning.  Just because you are enlightened enough to know about one drop rule, does not mean you are enlightened about anything else.  Taking that theory to me, just because I am enlightened to know about the pressure to be black does it then follow that I am black??

I AM NOT BLACK.  Are you happy now??????

And while we are on the topic of ethnicity, are you black?????
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: smujd2007 on August 21, 2005, 01:46:19 PM
Sigh . . . ya'll are a mess.  :D :D Asking about ethnicity and making judgments based on that in this thread is pretty counterproductive if we are discussing why MC isn't "acceptable" as a black woman . .. this thread has taken a disappointing turn . . . :-\


??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Can't we all just get along?


LOL.  Not until we have a clear understanding of what everyone's ethnicity is in order to contribute to the conversation... :D

Yes, because Lord knows that I cant possibly have anything of substance to contribute to this conversation until I identify my ethnicity.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 01:48:59 PM
Ahh, according to whatyoudreamof this thread is not about and never was about MC being acceptable as a black woman.  See, you are wrong as well.  You get to join the rest of us ignorant people who were just not wise enough to understand what this thread was about from the beginning.  Do you think the title threw us off??

 
Sigh . . . ya'll are a mess.  :D :D Asking about ethnicity and making judgments based on that in this thread is pretty counterproductive if we are discussing why MC isn't "acceptable" as a black woman . .. this thread has taken a disappointing turn . . . :-\


??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Can't we all just get along?


LOL.  Not until we have a clear understanding of what everyone's ethnicity is in order to contribute to the conversation... :D

Yes, because Lord knows that I cant possibly have anything of substance to contribute to this conversation until I identify my ethnicity.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 01:51:32 PM
Indeed, SMU.  However, the OP stated that this thread is not really about MC (she was just an example); instead, it was about the black community tearing down other blacks.  That topic got lost in the mess though, but this thread did give me something to laugh about today  :).
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: lex19 on August 21, 2005, 01:53:05 PM
so i think this thread is well...hehehe....why we can't get anywhere and pointless, when it comes down to it MC is black and always will be at the end of the day....so what if she tries to overcompensate by having a black entourage and lil black kids in her videos....when ish gets thick thick and lines are drawn she'll be placed on the brown side you can believe that 

Sigh . . . ya'll are a mess.  :D :D Asking about ethnicity and making judgments based on that in this thread is pretty counterproductive if we are discussing why MC isn't "acceptable" as a black woman . .. this thread has taken a disappointing turn . . . :-\


??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Can't we all just get along?


LOL.  Not until we have a clear understanding of what everyone's ethnicity is in order to contribute to the conversation... :D

Yes, because Lord knows that I cant possibly have anything of substance to contribute to this conversation until I identify my ethnicity.

Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 01:55:05 PM
Ahh, according to whatyoudreamof this thread is not about and never was about MC being acceptable as a black woman.  See, you are wrong as well.  You get to join the rest of us ignorant people who were just not wise enough to understand what this thread was about from the beginning.  Do you think the title threw us off??


 :D :D
I love you LP! 
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: smujd2007 on August 21, 2005, 01:56:56 PM
Oh, my.  LP, you have problems, but I still love you.  ;) :-*

I agree with you here, Lex.

so i think this thread is well...hehehe....why we can't get anywhere and pointless, when it comes down to it MC is black and always will be at the end of the day....so what if she tries to overcompensate by having a black entourage and lil black kids in her videos....when ish gets thick thick and lines are drawn she'll be placed on the brown side you can believe that 

Sigh . . . ya'll are a mess.  :D :D Asking about ethnicity and making judgments based on that in this thread is pretty counterproductive if we are discussing why MC isn't "acceptable" as a black woman . .. this thread has taken a disappointing turn . . . :-\


??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Can't we all just get along?


LOL.  Not until we have a clear understanding of what everyone's ethnicity is in order to contribute to the conversation... :D

Yes, because Lord knows that I cant possibly have anything of substance to contribute to this conversation until I identify my ethnicity.


Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 01:58:52 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.

If I were enlightened enough to have heard of the One Drop Rule,  how feasible is it that I would think it was still law?  Bottom line: no.  And you haven't answered anything about whether or not you're black, just asked me to make assumptions.

There are many southerns who are enlightened enough to have heard of the one drop rule but think it is still law.  I just answered the question, look above.

*sigh* Whatever.  Conceded.

Your logic is flawed from the beginning.  Just because you are enlightened enough to know about one drop rule, does not mean you are enlightened about anything else.  Taking that theory to me, just because I am enlightened to know about the pressure to be black does it then follow that I am black??

I AM NOT BLACK.  Are you happy now??????

And while we are on the topic of ethnicity, are you black?????

Yes, I am black.

First of all, that generalization doesn't even make sense.  Stop making theories out of everything I say - especially when your applications to other situations are asinine.  Knowing FACTS that follow from other FACTS is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from knowing things that follow from EXPERIENCES.  Not that it matters, because of my last post before this one.  What, are you mildly retarded?  I said "conceded".  Get this (http://www.hookedonphonics.com)  Get a copy of that before you post again, and you'll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor.

Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 21, 2005, 02:01:46 PM

Yes, I am black.

First of all, that generalization doesn't even make sense.  Stop making theories out of everything I say - especially when your applications to other situations are asinine.  Knowing FACTS that follow from other FACTS is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from knowing things that follow from EXPERIENCES.  Not that it matters, because of my last post before this one.  What, are you mildly retarded?  I said "conceded".  Get this (http://www.hookedonphonics.com)  Get a copy of that before you post again, and you'll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor.



and PWN3D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: j.rosh on August 21, 2005, 02:05:14 PM
DIE, STUPID THREAD, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
DIE, STUPID THREAD, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!




Of COURSE the death of this thread will be hastened by you posting in it repeatedly.  Good work, keep it up.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: lex19 on August 21, 2005, 02:20:08 PM
why don't you have a lot to say little soldier
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 02:27:02 PM
I guess so.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: blk_reign on August 21, 2005, 02:27:45 PM

 :D

why don't you have a lot to say little soldier
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: 06hopeful on August 21, 2005, 02:30:01 PM
I co-sign.

DIE, STUPID THREAD, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 05:06:08 PM
Ahh, according to whatyoudreamof this thread is not about and never was about MC being acceptable as a black woman.  See, you are wrong as well.  You get to join the rest of us ignorant people who were just not wise enough to understand what this thread was about from the beginning.  Do you think the title threw us off??


 :D :D
I love you LP! 

I love you too, *j.   ;D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 05:12:41 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.

If I were enlightened enough to have heard of the One Drop Rule,  how feasible is it that I would think it was still law?  Bottom line: no.  And you haven't answered anything about whether or not you're black, just asked me to make assumptions.

There are many southerns who are enlightened enough to have heard of the one drop rule but think it is still law.  I just answered the question, look above.

*sigh* Whatever.  Conceded.

Your logic is flawed from the beginning.  Just because you are enlightened enough to know about one drop rule, does not mean you are enlightened about anything else.  Taking that theory to me, just because I am enlightened to know about the pressure to be black does it then follow that I am black??

I AM NOT BLACK.  Are you happy now??????

And while we are on the topic of ethnicity, are you black?????

Yes, I am black.

First of all, that generalization doesn't even make sense.  Stop making theories out of everything I say - especially when your applications to other situations are asinine.  Knowing FACTS that follow from other FACTS is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from knowing things that follow from EXPERIENCES.  Not that it matters, because of my last post before this one.  What, are you mildly retarded?  I said "conceded".  Get this (http://www.hookedonphonics.com)  Get a copy of that before you post again, and you'll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor.



You are the all knowing #%@! if ever there was one.  I bow to your superior intellect.  Maybe after I finish college I will be as intelligent as you.  Thanks for  your spendid conversation today, I learned so much from you. 

1. One drop rule - if you gots one drop of #%@! blood, you are a #%@!.

2. You have to be black to have any experiences of pressure to be black.

3. You are an all knowing #%@!.

4. My statements never make sense while everything you say makes perfect sense. 

5. I am at the very least mildly retarted while you are nothing short of a genius.

Thanks for thrashing me intellectually.  My head hurts from all that you taught me today.  I am never going to show my face around here again from the same of the beating that I took at your hands.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: TrojanChispas on August 21, 2005, 06:00:35 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.

If I were enlightened enough to have heard of the One Drop Rule,  how feasible is it that I would think it was still law?  Bottom line: no.  And you haven't answered anything about whether or not you're black, just asked me to make assumptions.

There are many southerns who are enlightened enough to have heard of the one drop rule but think it is still law.  I just answered the question, look above.

*sigh* Whatever.  Conceded.

Your logic is flawed from the beginning.  Just because you are enlightened enough to know about one drop rule, does not mean you are enlightened about anything else.  Taking that theory to me, just because I am enlightened to know about the pressure to be black does it then follow that I am black??

I AM NOT BLACK.  Are you happy now??????

And while we are on the topic of ethnicity, are you black?????

Yes, I am black.

First of all, that generalization doesn't even make sense.  Stop making theories out of everything I say - especially when your applications to other situations are asinine.  Knowing FACTS that follow from other FACTS is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from knowing things that follow from EXPERIENCES.  Not that it matters, because of my last post before this one.  What, are you mildly retarded?  I said "conceded".  Get this (http://www.hookedonphonics.com)  Get a copy of that before you post again, and you'll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor.



You are the all knowing #%@! if ever there was one.  I bow to your superior intellect.  Maybe after I finish college I will be as intelligent as you.  Thanks for  your spendid conversation today, I learned so much from you. 

1. One drop rule - if you gots one drop of #%@! blood, you are a #%@!.

2. You have to be black to have any experiences of pressure to be black.

3. You are an all knowing #%@!.

4. My statements never make sense while everything you say makes perfect sense. 

5. I am at the very least mildly retarted while you are nothing short of a genius.

Thanks for thrashing me intellectually.  My head hurts from all that you taught me today.  I am never going to show my face around here again from the same of the beating that I took at your hands.
180
LMFAO :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 06:04:13 PM
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 21, 2005, 06:16:56 PM
Maybe if you didn't ask an obvious question I would have answered it.  I assumed the question was rhetorical.  Anyone who doesn't know that One Drop Rule is no longer law does not deserve to be arguing with anyone.  I, however, have no crystal ball to look into to figure whether or not you're black.

Well, the reason for asking the question was to actually see if YOU KNEW it was not the law instead of just stating it.  It was not rhetorical, beause you were the one who stated that if she had one drop of black blood she was black.  That was you, wasnt it?  I know more about the law then you could possibly imagine.  Well, now that I have answered your question regarding my blackness, you can make whatever point you wanted to make regarding that subject.

If I were enlightened enough to have heard of the One Drop Rule,  how feasible is it that I would think it was still law?  Bottom line: no.  And you haven't answered anything about whether or not you're black, just asked me to make assumptions.

There are many southerns who are enlightened enough to have heard of the one drop rule but think it is still law.  I just answered the question, look above.

*sigh* Whatever.  Conceded.

Your logic is flawed from the beginning.  Just because you are enlightened enough to know about one drop rule, does not mean you are enlightened about anything else.  Taking that theory to me, just because I am enlightened to know about the pressure to be black does it then follow that I am black??

I AM NOT BLACK.  Are you happy now??????

And while we are on the topic of ethnicity, are you black?????

Yes, I am black.

First of all, that generalization doesn't even make sense.  Stop making theories out of everything I say - especially when your applications to other situations are asinine.  Knowing FACTS that follow from other FACTS is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from knowing things that follow from EXPERIENCES.  Not that it matters, because of my last post before this one.  What, are you mildly retarded?  I said "conceded".  Get this (http://www.hookedonphonics.com)  Get a copy of that before you post again, and you'll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor.



You are the all knowing #%@! if ever there was one.  I bow to your superior intellect.  Maybe after I finish college I will be as intelligent as you.  Thanks for  your spendid conversation today, I learned so much from you. 

1. One drop rule - if you gots one drop of #%@! blood, you are a #%@!.

2. You have to be black to have any experiences of pressure to be black.

3. You are an all knowing #%@!.

4. My statements never make sense while everything you say makes perfect sense. 

5. I am at the very least mildly retarted while you are nothing short of a genius.

Thanks for thrashing me intellectually.  My head hurts from all that you taught me today.  I am never going to show my face around here again from the same of the beating that I took at your hands.

Who you callin a #%@!?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 07:16:14 PM
Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: lex19 on August 21, 2005, 10:08:07 PM
don't worry about that LP, lil soldier is just trying to make a name for himself....

Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 21, 2005, 10:40:33 PM
You are right.  Thanks for the positive vibes lex.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 22, 2005, 04:50:04 AM
don't worry about that LP, lil soldier is just trying to make a name for himself....

Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?

You're right.  There's no other reason in the world that I'd take exception to being called a #%@!.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: lex19 on August 22, 2005, 05:12:35 AM
lil soldier does your sister know what you've been up to??

don't worry about that LP, lil soldier is just trying to make a name for himself....

Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?

You're right.  There's no other reason in the world that I'd take exception to being called a #%@!.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 22, 2005, 05:19:15 AM
Probably.  Your point being?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: lex19 on August 22, 2005, 05:28:21 AM
just wondering and watch your tone

Probably.  Your point being?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 22, 2005, 05:32:29 AM
Me watch my tone?  You've been doing nothing but patronizing me since you entered this thread, not to mention in defense of someone who referred to myself and black people in general as "coons" - a Klan-coined slur.  "Lil soldier" indeed.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: lex19 on August 22, 2005, 05:42:18 AM
whhhaaaaaaaaaan, i was just teasing before...how bout introducing yourself and taking a look at the board and its posters before jumping the gun and making assumptions...btw i wasn't even thinking about you when i first posted on the thread  ::) 

Me watch my tone?  You've been doing nothing but patronizing me since you entered this thread, not to mention in defense of someone who referred to myself and black people in general as "coons" - a Klan-coined slur.  "Lil soldier" indeed.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 22, 2005, 07:10:24 AM
5. I am at the very least mildly retarted while you are nothing short of a genius.

my, my.  the ignorant, hypocritical b!tch* DID learn something.

unfortunately, it wasn't how to spell.

*generic insults are hilarious, but when you attack race, you lower yourself to the status of single cell organisms that literally thrive on bullsh!t.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: One Step Ahead on August 22, 2005, 10:27:46 AM
Perfect Soldier,
We had an agreement.  Stay off this board!
Love ya :-*
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 22, 2005, 03:35:11 PM
whhhaaaaaaaaaan, i was just teasing before...how bout introducing yourself and taking a look at the board and its posters before jumping the gun and making assumptions...btw i wasn't even thinking about you when i first posted on the thread  ::) 

Me watch my tone?  You've been doing nothing but patronizing me since you entered this thread, not to mention in defense of someone who referred to myself and black people in general as "coons" - a Klan-coined slur.  "Lil soldier" indeed.

Fine.  But don't expect me to extend the same courtesy to Mr. Junior Klansman.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: blk_reign on August 22, 2005, 04:30:24 PM
 :D :D :D ROFL :D :D :D

Perfect Soldier,
We had an agreement.  Stay off this board!
Love ya :-*
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: blk_reign on August 22, 2005, 04:31:16 PM
personal service announcement..

lp is black...

that is all


5. I am at the very least mildly retarted while you are nothing short of a genius.

my, my.  the ignorant, hypocritical b!tch* DID learn something.

unfortunately, it wasn't how to spell.

*generic insults are hilarious, but when you attack race, you lower yourself to the status of single cell organisms that literally thrive on bullsh!t.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 22, 2005, 09:36:43 PM
don't worry about that LP, lil soldier is just trying to make a name for himself....

Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?

You're right.  There's no other reason in the world that I'd take exception to being called a #%@!.

I thought you said you were black?????  black=#%@!---#%@!=black.  you are a #%@!
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 22, 2005, 09:40:46 PM
5. I am at the very least mildly retarted while you are nothing short of a genius.

my, my.  the ignorant, hypocritical b!tch* DID learn something.

unfortunately, it wasn't how to spell.

*generic insults are hilarious, but when you attack race, you lower yourself to the status of single cell organisms that literally thrive on bullsh!t.

Wow, more #%@! education.  I am soo honored.  Thanks, what would I ever do without you??  Now, get your ass back in the field and pick me some cotton.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 22, 2005, 09:42:12 PM
See, you done messed everything up.  I aint black.  "WHITE POWER"

personal service announcement..

lp is black...

that is all


5. I am at the very least mildly retarted while you are nothing short of a genius.

my, my.  the ignorant, hypocritical b!tch* DID learn something.

unfortunately, it wasn't how to spell.

*generic insults are hilarious, but when you attack race, you lower yourself to the status of single cell organisms that literally thrive on bullsh!t.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 22, 2005, 09:43:41 PM
whhhaaaaaaaaaan, i was just teasing before...how bout introducing yourself and taking a look at the board and its posters before jumping the gun and making assumptions...btw i wasn't even thinking about you when i first posted on the thread  ::) 

Me watch my tone?  You've been doing nothing but patronizing me since you entered this thread, not to mention in defense of someone who referred to myself and black people in general as "coons" - a Klan-coined slur.  "Lil soldier" indeed.

Fine.  But don't expect me to extend the same courtesy to Mr. Junior Klansman.

Look here toy soldier,

I aint no junior klansman.  I am the leader of thek klan.  #%@!.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: shiveringjenny on August 22, 2005, 09:55:17 PM
This is a very stupid thread.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 22, 2005, 11:11:43 PM
This is a very stupid thread.

honey, all you have to do is stop posting in it and it will eventually go away.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 22, 2005, 11:22:23 PM
This is a very stupid thread.

honey, all you have to do is stop posting in it and it will eventually go away.

But will do go with it?????  #%@!!!
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 23, 2005, 12:56:41 AM
This is a very stupid thread.

honey, all you have to do is stop posting in it and it will eventually go away.

But will do go with it?????  #%@!!!

i'm going to just stop replying to you.  it's not entertaining anymore bc your stupidity's starting to become pitiful.

besides, while it's clear that you are stupid, it's also clear that you (and the people who respond favorably to your statements) are sick.  i don't f#ck with sickos.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 23, 2005, 05:12:03 AM
You are the one who is sad.  You come on here with some thread that is poorly put together and then catch an attitude when people question your logic.  Please please, I beg of you to start taking whatever medication your doctors prescribe for you.  You are in need of some serious help.  I cant imagine any law school that would accept you under any circumstances.  You know, I looked up pitiful in the dictionary and I saw you picture.  The next time I pass you sitting on the street corner shaking your cup, I will certainly drop a couple dollars in to help you afford your medication.  You are the reason, I am sure, that your parents decied to discontinue having children.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: blk_reign on August 23, 2005, 06:03:41 AM
omg...  :D don't make the students cry lp :D

You are the one who is sad.  You come on here with some thread that is poorly put together and then catch an attitude when people question your logic.  Please please, I beg of you to start taking whatever medication your doctors prescribe for you.  You are in need of some serious help.  I cant imagine any law school that would accept you under any circumstances.  You know, I looked up pitiful in the dictionary and I saw you picture.  The next time I pass you sitting on the street corner shaking your cup, I will certainly drop a couple dollars in to help you afford your medication.  You are the reason, I am sure, that your parents decied to discontinue having children.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: shiveringjenny on August 23, 2005, 07:29:36 AM
This is a very stupid thread.

honey, all you have to do is stop posting in it and it will eventually go away.

You're a weirdo. You made some bizarre posts on xoxo, too, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 23, 2005, 09:46:20 AM
This is a very stupid thread.

honey, all you have to do is stop posting in it and it will eventually go away.

You're a weirdo. You made some bizarre posts on xoxo, too, if I remember correctly.

look at the people in the "whatyoudreamof = lavia" thread.

these people are "the norm".

do you want to be "the norm"?  or would you rather be considered "weird" because someone lacking the reading comp skills of a sixth grader can't understand your post?
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: TrojanChispas on August 23, 2005, 10:14:38 AM
This is a very stupid thread.

honey, all you have to do is stop posting in it and it will eventually go away.

You're a weirdo. You made some bizarre posts on xoxo, too, if I remember correctly.

look at the people in the "whatyoudreamof = lavia" thread.

these people are "the norm".

do you want to be "the norm"?  or would you rather be considered "weird" because someone lacking the reading comp skills of a sixth grader can't understand your post?

nice one lavia.
you think we are dumb, but you are the one that thinks it is obvious that MC is black because she wears a do-rag and has a fat black kid in everyone of her videos  :D :D :D what you need to do is take your meds and
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Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: blk_reign on August 23, 2005, 10:37:37 AM
 :D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: smujd2007 on August 23, 2005, 12:23:44 PM
lmao  :D :D :D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 23, 2005, 04:43:23 PM
don't worry about that LP, lil soldier is just trying to make a name for himself....

Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?

You're right.  There's no other reason in the world that I'd take exception to being called a #%@!.

I thought you said you were black?????  black=#%@!---#%@!=black.  you are a #%@!

Just like n-word=black----black=n-word, so I'm that too, right?  How about gook=Asian-----Asian=gook?  How about Jew=Christ-killer-----Christ-killer=Jew?  I'm sure you'll agree with those too so you can collect your e-badass points at the end of the day and masturbate to the replies of the drones who come into this thread to applaud and add "lols" in homage to your razor sharp wit, as we can all see with this brilliant and original line: "I looked up pitiful in the dictionary and saw your picture".  Back in 4th grade I almost cracked a smile at that one - but I think I'm frowning this time.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: lex19 on August 23, 2005, 05:24:39 PM
chill out soldier, i think you need to take my advice and get to know the board and its posters, there's already enough bs going on here, or better yet listen to E


don't worry about that LP, lil soldier is just trying to make a name for himself....

Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?

You're right.  There's no other reason in the world that I'd take exception to being called a #%@!.

I thought you said you were black?????  black=#%@!---#%@!=black.  you are a #%@!

Just like n-word=black----black=n-word, so I'm that too, right?  How about gook=Asian-----Asian=gook?  How about Jew=Christ-killer-----Christ-killer=Jew?  I'm sure you'll agree with those too so you can collect your e-badass points at the end of the day and masturbate to the replies of the drones who come into this thread to applaud and add "lols" in homage to your razor sharp wit, as we can all see with this brilliant and original line: "I looked up pitiful in the dictionary and saw your picture".  Back in 4th grade I almost cracked a smile at that one - but I think I'm frowning this time.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 23, 2005, 05:34:27 PM
If there's any prior information that I need to know about LP in particular that would explain him making Klan and #%@! jokes, its that he's an a-hole - which doesn't help much anyway.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: jerrica benton on August 23, 2005, 07:53:43 PM
you are the one that thinks it is obvious that MC is black because she wears a do-rag and has a fat black kid in everyone of her videos  :D :D :D

kid...tell me the location of the magical land wherein considering oneself a part of the black community = black.

because when you find it, i'm sure you'll also find peggy lee, gershwin and teena marie there having a gd party, rocking du rags JUST like mariah's.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: TrojanChispas on August 23, 2005, 08:37:51 PM
you are the one that thinks it is obvious that MC is black because she wears a do-rag and has a fat black kid in everyone of her videos  :D :D :D

kid...tell me the location of the magical land wherein considering oneself a part of the black community = black.

because when you find it, i'm sure you'll also find peggy lee, gershwin and teena marie there having a gd party, rocking du rags JUST like mariah's.
and under your pseudo reasoning that would make them black too

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 23, 2005, 08:40:11 PM
don't worry about that LP, lil soldier is just trying to make a name for himself....

Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?

You're right.  There's no other reason in the world that I'd take exception to being called a #%@!.

I thought you said you were black?????  black=#%@!---#%@!=black.  you are a #%@!

Just like n-word=black----black=n-word, so I'm that too, right?  How about gook=Asian-----Asian=gook?  How about Jew=Christ-killer-----Christ-killer=Jew?  I'm sure you'll agree with those too so you can collect your e-badass points at the end of the day and masturbate to the replies of the drones who come into this thread to applaud and add "lols" in homage to your razor sharp wit, as we can all see with this brilliant and original line: "I looked up pitiful in the dictionary and saw your picture".  Back in 4th grade I almost cracked a smile at that one - but I think I'm frowning this time.

Look n-word, you are too sensitive.  I finished masturbating and thought I would respond to your post.  I am one of the biggest assholes you will ever meet.  You are one of the biggest niggers I have ever met.  I only wish I could whip you like Kunta Kinte.  Get your n-word ass back into the field, boy.  OH, I wonder how many e-badass point I will be able to get for this post.  I should print this up and take it to my Klan meeting tonight.  I am sure my hooded friends will get a kick out of your ass.  Go away before I string you up.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 23, 2005, 08:41:53 PM
If there's any prior information that I need to know about LP in particular that would explain him making Klan and #%@! jokes, its that he's an a-hole - which doesn't help much anyway.

 :-*  You got me all figured out.  I am an a-hole!!!!  You should be a detective, because you have it all figured out.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: mivida2k on August 23, 2005, 10:04:34 PM
UUUUHHHHMM,


Mariah anyone.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 23, 2005, 10:33:24 PM
Mariah is black, you all leave her alone!!!!  Whatyoudreamof is sane, you all leave her alone!!!
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 24, 2005, 04:37:02 AM
don't worry about that LP, lil soldier is just trying to make a name for himself....

Is that another one of them there rhetorical questions?

You're right.  There's no other reason in the world that I'd take exception to being called a #%@!.

I thought you said you were black?????  black=#%@!---#%@!=black.  you are a #%@!

Just like n-word=black----black=n-word, so I'm that too, right?  How about gook=Asian-----Asian=gook?  How about Jew=Christ-killer-----Christ-killer=Jew?  I'm sure you'll agree with those too so you can collect your e-badass points at the end of the day and masturbate to the replies of the drones who come into this thread to applaud and add "lols" in homage to your razor sharp wit, as we can all see with this brilliant and original line: "I looked up pitiful in the dictionary and saw your picture".  Back in 4th grade I almost cracked a smile at that one - but I think I'm frowning this time.

Look n-word, you are too sensitive.  I finished masturbating and thought I would respond to your post.  I am one of the biggest assholes you will ever meet.  You are one of the biggest niggers I have ever met.  I only wish I could whip you like Kunta Kinte.  Get your n-word ass back into the field, boy.  OH, I wonder how many e-badass point I will be able to get for this post.  I should print this up and take it to my Klan meeting tonight.  I am sure my hooded friends will get a kick out of your ass.  Go away before I string you up.

So, lex19, what is it again that I shouldn't be assuming?

If there's any prior information that I need to know about LP in particular that would explain him making Klan and #%@! jokes, its that he's an meanie - which doesn't help much anyway.

 :-*  You got me all figured out.  I am an meanie!!!!  You should be a detective, because you have it all figured out.

Meanie is the auto-censor for a$$hole.  You've been here longer than myself, you should know this already...
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 24, 2005, 10:05:25 AM
I am a man.  I dont have any censors on.  Grow up and take that censor off, #%@!.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: XYZZY on August 24, 2005, 12:25:02 PM

mariah= part of the sucky music community
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: ThePerfectSoldier on August 24, 2005, 05:41:46 PM
I am a man.  I dont have any censors on.  Grow up and take that censor off, #%@!.

I don't know how to disable the censor feature.
Title: Re: why won't people leave mariah's ethnicity alone?
Post by: Lawprofessor on August 24, 2005, 05:51:57 PM
I am a man.  I dont have any censors on.  Grow up and take that censor off, #%@!.

I don't know how to disable the censor feature.

Just go to the top of this page and click on the profile link.  Click on the Look and Layout Preferences link to the left.  Go and click on the leave words uncensored box.  It is that easy.