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Title: Question about LSAC transcript summarization
Post by: Bellacose on March 09, 2015, 08:55:19 PM
Hi everyone,

I have a very specific question about how the LSAC will handle calculating my gpa (I haven't paid for the summarization service yet so they can't answer this for me). I'll try to stick to only the necessary info so this doesn't end up too long.

1. I took five classes at community college while in high school in which I got 3 C's, a B, and a D. After high school, I took two years of coursework at the same community college and retook each of the courses from high school scoring an A in each as well as every other course I took there. My transcript lists both courses— the original attempt and the retake. For the original attempt, it lists the credits attempted and credits earned as "0". It does, however, still list the original grade.

2. On the LSAC website, it lists the following statements under the heading "Grades Excluded From Conversion":

"Those assigned no measure of credit by the issuing institution, regardless of the grade."

"The original grade for a repeated course when the transcript does not show both the grade and the units for the original attempt. The total number of credits assigned to these grades will appear on the applicant's academic summary, but will not be included in the GPA calculation."

Since my original attempt for the courses lists zero for the number of credits attempted and earned, it seems to me that the LSAC is saying that my original attempts won't be counted. However, I've always heard that they count both attempts no matter what.

3. I transferred from the community college to UPenn in 2013. I am graduating from Penn in may with a 3.94. So, whether or not the LSAC will be counting those courses will be the difference between applying to law schools with a 3.98 vs a 3.65.

Does anybody have experience with how the LSAC interprets their rules for excluded courses?

Thanks so much for reading!
Title: Re: Question about LSAC transcript summarization
Post by: doctorlaw on March 10, 2015, 04:59:25 PM
cumulative GPA

people tend to be happy with their graduating GPA, but get upset when they find out that those D grades from community college that didn't transfer to state school when you hopped over Junior Year will now haunt you again.

Not saying it doesn't suck. But it is what it is.
Title: Re: Question about LSAC transcript summarization
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on March 11, 2015, 10:07:07 AM
Typically, LSAC will count all college level courses attempted. If I'm reading your post correctly, it sounds like your community college courses do not fall within the exemption since the transcript lists both the grade and units attempted.

Your best bet is to call LSAC. They can give you more precise information.
Title: Re: Question about LSAC transcript summarization
Post by: Bellacose on March 12, 2015, 09:29:05 AM
Hi,

Thanks for the responses. I am completely aware that generally speaking, the LSAC counts ALL undergraduate coursework. However, given their own rules, I say that my courses shouldn't be counted. Here's my take:

The LSAC has really only two options here if they're going to follow their own rules (the rules I explained in the OP).

1. Since the credits attempted and earned are listed as "0" for the courses then they won't count the courses since it doesn't list the grade and the units attempted (it only lists the grade).

2. Or, they could claim that "0" counts as listing the credits (even though it's zero) so the courses will be counted. However, in this case it seems that the courses will be effectively not counted since they will be weighted as zero units.

Thoughts?

I've called the LSAC and have gotten three completely different answers on this so far.
Title: Re: Question about LSAC transcript summarization
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on March 12, 2015, 10:15:49 AM
Yeah, I dunno. If the transcript lists the course grade and units attempted, I think it's going to be counted based on the quote you provided from LSAC. But I really don't know.

I think all you can do at this point is send your info to LSAC, get the report generated, and see what they do. If you believe that they count the coursework improperly, perhaps you can petition for a re-evaluation.