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Title: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Grunnd on January 25, 2015, 01:20:51 PM
I am a chemistry graduate with two years work experience in pharmacy and the above stats. I had a rough time in college from a parent divorce while living at home should I even apply? I have a few in mind (Rutgers, Temple, George Mason, Washington and Lee) but don't want to get my hopes up and want to focus on schools I would have a better shot at. Any of the 200?
Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Miami88 on January 25, 2015, 03:13:03 PM
http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/predictor/

http://www.lawschooltransparency.com

Do your research on those websites to figure out your chances of getting accepted and the chances of employment post graduation. As is right now, you are likely looking at unranked schools. The positive side is you may qualify for intellectual property work (one of the few sectors in the legal industry that has more jobs than qualified candidates). Check out the website below for more info on the requirements.

http://www.uspto.gov/ip/boards/oed/exam/OED_GRB.pdf

I would try and get your LSAT up as much as possible. Your GPA will send lots of red flags to almost any accredited school, but maybe a really strong LSAT would add to your argument that your program was really hard and your were going through a rough time. I would also talk to your school's law school advisor as well as the admission departments for schools you think you would have a real shot at (per the above websites).

Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Grunnd on January 25, 2015, 04:51:34 PM
Thank you so much for the information. I read the PDF for IP law and have researched some about that even before I took the LSAT and had been interested in it. Is IP work really that abundant? If that is the truth it would be amazing since it is something I had wanted to do from the start. Since I work in a pharmacy I was thinking of patent law.
Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Miami88 on January 25, 2015, 10:12:24 PM
I'm not sure how competitive it is to get the positions, but from all the recruiters I have spoken with, they are always saying that (that there are more jobs than qualified candidates). Also, literally everyone I know that is qualified has been able to find solid IP work.

Again, I'm not sure how competitive these jobs are to actually get. In other words, I'm not sure if they are only looking for Top 14...Top 50... Top 100 school kids. If I were you, before you go into debt, speak with IP law recruiters. Are they schools you are looking at going to be competitive enough?

Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Citylaw on January 25, 2015, 10:47:29 PM
There are a number of schools you could get into with those numbers. Here is a LSAC Link that allows you to plug in your GPA/LSAT and get a look at your options. https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/UGPALSAT/UGPALSAT.aspx . I plugged in your numbers and there are about 15-20 schools that you have a 75% chance getting into.

A 151 LSAT is not that bad. It is not amazing either, but you score in the top 50% of test takers. When you are 145 or under is when there is little hope, but 150 or above you will have some options, but Harvard or Yale will not be on the list.

From your choices it looks like you want to be on the East Coast and one school that is an option with your numbers is UMASS-Dartmouth. These are two quality universities that just formed a law school and are seeking applicants, but overtime I imagine it will become a solid school. For your purposes it will get you a bar exam ticket.

Here is a great article about how to choose a law school.
http://www.legalmatch.com/choose-the-right-law-school.html
Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 27, 2015, 11:28:00 AM
With a 2.39/151 you can probably get in somewhere, but there are a couple of things to consider.

1) Make sure that whatever obstacles held you back in college are resolved before you start law school. It's far more demanding than undergrad, and you won't be successful if you have major distractions or problems. The amount of work that would have landed you an "A" in undergrad might get you a barely passing C- in law school.
 
2) The schools you mentioned are almost certainly out unless you retake the LSAT and score significantly higher. This means that you will most likely be attending a lower ranked school (think Touro, Roger Williams, someplace in that range).

That's fine as long as it meshes with your goals and you understand the potential limitations. Big firms and federal positions may be VERY difficult to obtain (even as an IP lawyer), but solo practice, small firms and local government offices may be options.

Just think realistically and objectively about your goals, and let that guide the process. Also consider geography. At a lower ranked school most of your job opportunities will be local (at least initially), so be prepared to stay in the immediate area.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Citylaw on January 27, 2015, 02:47:01 PM
Excellent advice and "lower ranked" schools can open many doors, but many law students go to them with highly unrealistic expectations, which lead to disappointment.

If you attend Touro, Roger Williams, UMass-Dartmouth etc you are not going to be flooded with Biglaw job offers and if you attend Roger Williams your first job will probably be in a small firm or government agency in Rhode Island. That would be a fine job, but with a 2.39 GPA and 151 LSAT don't expect the legal world to be your oyster at least not right out of law school.

With your numbers you can be a lawyer and if that is what you want to do go for it, but it is very important to have realistic expectations.
Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: innagodda on August 05, 2015, 09:57:36 PM
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Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Miami88 on August 06, 2015, 09:19:20 AM
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Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
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Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 06, 2015, 05:41:12 PM
Thank you so much for the information. I read the PDF for IP law and have researched some about that even before I took the LSAT and had been interested in it. Is IP work really that abundant? If that is the truth it would be amazing since it is something I had wanted to do from the start. Since I work in a pharmacy I was thinking of patent law.
You can sit the patent bar with your undergrad being in science (in theory right now even without a JD) and most lawyers won't be able to sit it (not even Harvard grads) if they lack the right undergrad.

You can get a scholarship at most lower tiered ABA schools with that GPA and LSAT too just so you know.
Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: Citylaw on August 07, 2015, 10:09:48 AM
I don't think a scholarship will come with a 2.39 and 151 LSAT, but he/she might be admitted to a few schools. 

The Patent Bar is an idea if he/she has the proper undergrad and wants to do that kind of law.
Title: Re: 2.39 GPA 151 LSAT Should I even try?
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 07, 2015, 07:26:11 PM
I don't think a scholarship will come with a 2.39 and 151 LSAT, but he/she might be admitted to a few schools. 

The Patent Bar is an idea if he/she has the proper undergrad and wants to do that kind of law.
At Cooley it will