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Applying to Law School => Law School Admissions => Topic started by: LegalEagle101 on November 03, 2014, 05:49:42 PM

Title: law app...help!
Post by: LegalEagle101 on November 03, 2014, 05:49:42 PM
As I'm finishing up my applications I'm starting to get really nervous that I'm not going to get in anywhere... Everyone around me seems to have higher scores and I feel like such an Idiot! I hate my life... I know I'm dramatic and everything will be fine but I just need to know if I'm setting myself up for disappointment?

I've taken the LSAT twice.. 152 the first time and 153 the second... I have a 3.46 cumulative GPA ... I started at a jr. college and have several junior college transcripts (whatever I could find to fit my schedule) but the majority of the hours I've earned are from a tier 1 public university in Texas and I have a 3.82 BA political science.

I've spent several summers abroad, worked in the summer, am a member of several clubs and hold a position in one.

I also have really really great letters of reference (ex: Federal Judges)

I'm also Hispanic

I'd like to go to

UT - which would obviously have to be a miracle
University of Houston
Baylor
Tulane
SMU
South Texas
Pepperdine

I know I'm on the low end for the majority of schools listed above but I've heard that they're "desperate to fill seats" so do I have a chance??? Any help/suggestions appreciated! Thanks!

Title: Re: law app...help!
Post by: Citylaw on November 04, 2014, 05:59:10 PM
First and foremost realize that anyone on this board or others is nothing more than an anonymous internet poster and whatever you read here my post included should be taken with a major grain of salt. For all you know I am a crackhead in a public library, the Dean of Harvard Law School, or just a run of the mill lawyer.

With that disclaimer, congratulations on your GPA and LSAT score. You can get into a number of ABA schools with those scores, and I cannot tell you how many people I know that never have the courage to actually take the LSAT. Additionally, 152 is not a "bad" score you score better than 50% of college graduates, that were motivated enough to want to attend law school, and had the courage to actually take the test.

Now for the reality check. Believe it or 99% of lawyers do not go to the top 1% of schools, and in reality whether you make it or not as a lawyer has far more to do with you than the school you attend.  Looking at your choices, I think the only school on your list that you have a good chance of admission at is South Texas, which I think know for a fact is a great litigation school. I am in California, but I competed at a trial competition at South Texas while in law school, and I know they dominated a number of other competitions I was involved in.

With your numbers the other schools you listed are unlikely. However, there are a number of other schools in Texas, L.A, or Louisiana that you could have a realistic chance at.

Texas Schools:
Texas A & M.
Texas Southern
Saint Mary's

So Cal Schools:
Western State
California Western
Thomas Jefferson
Whittier
Chapman

Those are just a in those specific areas, and using the LSAC chart I plugged in your numbers and a number of ABA schools that you are competitive at came out. Here is a link https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/UGPALSAT/UGPALSAT.aspx

How to Choose a Law School

You need to really consider the following factors when choosing a law school in this order. (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal Feelings About the School; (4) Understanding the Reality of Legal Education; and (5) Last and Least U.S. News Rankings.

Here is a great article that explains why to consider these factors. http://www.legalmatch.com/choose-the-right-law-school.html

Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education.
Title: Re: law app...help!
Post by: barprephero on November 05, 2014, 05:47:30 PM
Hispanic is "self identifying" but FYI it you don't look and sound Hispanic, don't do use it
the "I'm blonde and sound valley girl but I'm Hispanic because my granma's maiden name was sanchez" is frowned upon
but far too often abused anyways
ginger "Hispanics"................with british accents.........seen it, more than once.
Title: Re: law app...help!
Post by: Miami88 on November 06, 2014, 12:42:17 PM
Hispanic is "self identifying" but FYI it you don't look and sound Hispanic, don't do use it
the "I'm blonde and sound valley girl but I'm Hispanic because my granma's maiden name was sanchez" is frowned upon
but far too often abused anyways
ginger "Hispanics"................with british accents.........seen it, more than once.

????

I'm sure you aren't suggesting that race is strictly (or significantly) tied to physical appearance and accents? Hispanics all look and sound very different. There are hispanics that are white with freckles and red hair (yes - "ginger" hispanics as you put it. South America has a lot of hispanics that "look" like this.). There are hispanics that are black skinned with black hair. There are hispanics that speak better english than most Americans. There are hispanics that can hardly be understood.

The whole point of URM - and diversity in general - is to offset the imbalance of specific social groups that we, as a society, have historically and systematically suppressed. This historical suppression has gravely impacted social groups' opportunities to pursue higher education and, as a result, legal studies and representation in the legal profession. The crucial point, therefore, is not of your skin color, the suburb you grew up in, or the way you pronounce "quesadilla." The crucial point is that of your cultural ancestry.

I can understand concern if, say, your entire ancestry is non-minority EXCEPT for that one great great grandfather that was himself only half (fill in URM). But aside from these type scenarios, your cultural background is your cultural background.
Title: Re: law app...help!
Post by: barprephero on November 07, 2014, 11:49:39 AM
Hispanic is "self identifying" but FYI it you don't look and sound Hispanic, don't do use it
the "I'm blonde and sound valley girl but I'm Hispanic because my granma's maiden name was sanchez" is frowned upon
but far too often abused anyways
ginger "Hispanics"................with british accents.........seen it, more than once.

????

I'm sure you aren't suggesting that race is strictly (or significantly) tied to physical appearance and accents? Hispanics all look and sound very different. There are hispanics that are white with freckles and red hair (yes - "ginger" hispanics as you put it. South America has a lot of hispanics that "look" like this.). There are hispanics that are black skinned with black hair. There are hispanics that speak better english than most Americans. There are hispanics that can hardly be understood.

The whole point of URM - and diversity in general - is to offset the imbalance of specific social groups that we, as a society, have historically and systematically suppressed. This historical suppression has gravely impacted social groups' opportunities to pursue higher education and, as a result, legal studies and representation in the legal profession. The crucial point, therefore, is not of your skin color, the suburb you grew up in, or the way you pronounce "quesadilla." The crucial point is that of your cultural ancestry.

I can understand concern if, say, your entire ancestry is non-minority EXCEPT for that one great great grandfather that was himself only half (fill in URM). But aside from these type scenarios, your cultural background is your cultural background.
I am suggesting that societies perspective of it is
URM doesn't list "ginger" as an option for  a reason

Compare and contrast may help here to bring clarity. If you are a White South African you are "legally" "African" but if you apply for the "African American" status you will get people screaming from the rooftops in anger over it.

Russia and Israel are legally in "Asia" but if a white Russian jew applies as "Asian" people will get (albeit far less) upset also

That is what I am trying to get at

But yes, if you just happen to be albino, then you still are what you are despite being an Albino, I agree that much.
Title: Re: law app...help!
Post by: LegalEagle101 on November 10, 2014, 09:23:46 PM


Good luck in your pursuit of a legal education.

Thank you for your post! I posted on several forums and it's definitely the most helpful one I've got!
Title: Re: law app...help!
Post by: Citylaw on November 10, 2014, 10:59:07 PM
No problem, and please remember that random internet advice is not the best source of information to make a life altering decision upon. I strongly encourage you to visit schools you are actually interested and talk to professors, students, admins etc face to face. Also reach out to alumni from various schools, and see what they have to say about the school.

When you meet people face to face you can really gauge their credibility, but on anonymous internet posters can say whatever they want about anything without consequence, for a little humor here is exactly why you should not take internet advice seriously from the greatest boss every Michael Scott. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFBDn5PiL00
Title: Re: law app...help!
Post by: Groundhog on November 11, 2014, 10:20:38 AM
While everything citylaw has said is true, the administration, professors at schools and to a lesser extent, the students there, all have a vested interest in selling you on the school. Apparently law schools, the ABA, and US News can say whatever they want without much hit to credibility.

Here, for the most part, qualified posters are simply offering their honest opinion and advice. LSD has posters who are every kind of practicing attorney, as well as those who have worked in admissions. They helped me out a good deal when I was applying and now I'm here on the other end as an attorney.
Title: Re: law app...help!
Post by: Citylaw on November 11, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
That is all true, and I think various internet posters can offer good advice, but I would strongly recommend talking to people face to face. I do not think U.S. News is a credible source of information at all, it is a magazine trying to make money off it's opinion, but that is my opinion plenty of people think differently.

The primary purpose of my post is that what each individual want's from law school differs greatly. Many people want to move to a small town, many want to work in large firms, be D.A's, Public Defender's, so on and so on. Some people want to live in a big city others small cities, some people want to be close to their families others want to be as far away as possible. Some people want a competitive environment others want a more cooperative atmosphere, and the only person that can possibly evaluate all those factors is the individual. That is why I recommend any incoming student visit the campus, walk around the neighborhood, talk to everyone affiliated with the school directly, and gauge credibility.