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Title: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on September 30, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
Curious to know how folks are progressing with their distance learning studies.  I came on this site 2 yrs ago, read all the pros and cons but in the end made my own decision.  I'm in my 3rd and final year of law school in the UK.  I don't regret it, I received an excellent education thus far for less than 5K.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 01, 2013, 02:05:20 PM
Wow, under 5k for a JD is amazing. Distance learning can be the right choice for the right student. I think the key is understand what you're getting into before you start and to be fully informed as to any potential obstacles. The people I know who went the DL route with their eyes wide open did fine. The ones who were either uninformed or simply refused to acknowledge the realities were usually disappointed. It just depends on the individual.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cobes1996 on October 02, 2013, 06:59:44 AM
cusc2011 - This may be a dumb question, but you state that you are attending a UK school.  Are you located in the US?
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 02, 2013, 06:06:03 PM
Which UK law school is under 5K? 
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on October 02, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
Northumbria Law School cost me 1200 GBP Year 1, 920 GBP Year 2, and 950 GBP Year 3.   Year 1 is your biggest expense, from there  your tuition drops for the remaining years, you only paying a continuing student fee and assessment fee.  This fee went up slightly this year from 920 to 950 GBP.   The total program cost me 3,070 GBP so its close to 5k or slightly under 5K.   

Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 06, 2013, 06:53:04 PM
That's a bargain, what would a non EU resident pay?
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on October 07, 2013, 08:59:54 PM
I'm a non EU resident, I'm in the distance learning program.  I live in the US.  The school is great not just law program but very innovative school.  I use to my own sport agency and I sent a couple US athletes to their National team plus I'm interested in law.  The University owns a men and women professional basketball team, and one of my former clients now lives in the UK and is getting a masters degree there.  Anyway, I guess there are no current distant learning students on this site.   I was curious to know how folks from other distant learning programs were doing/ progressing in their programs.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cobes1996 on October 08, 2013, 07:02:25 AM
Question for you.  Is your intent to finish this school and then sit for the US (pick a state) bar exam?
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 08, 2013, 12:24:16 PM
Question for you.  Is your intent to finish this school and then sit for the US (pick a state) bar exam?

I think foreign law grads are typically limited to CA and NY. I believe that California has some kind of reciprocal agreement with the UK, which makes it possible for some UK law grads to sit for the CA bar exam. My understanding is that most states will not entertain the idea of a foreign law degree, period, and that even CA is unlikely to admit non-UK foreign lawyers. 

Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on October 08, 2013, 07:20:28 PM
I have a plan in place, I may check back in next year and post the status.  California will allow foreign attorneys sit for the bar exam but you have to be liscensed somewhere it can be civil or common law country. If you are not licensed then you have to complete First Year of a US law program or enroll in a 1 yr US LLM program in American Legal Studies or US Legal Studies, name of program various on law program but it must cover US Law and Califorina Professional Responsibility course.  Best of luck to you.

Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: vanceap3 on October 11, 2013, 05:47:21 PM
Thanks for posting cusc!  I am a current distance learning via website and email and really enjoy it.  I don't have any aspirations of taking ANY bar...of course would have to jump through lots of hoops to do that anyway, and then probably would not happen.  I would eventually like to get into mediation/ADR.  Also do not need JD for that either but it helps.  I am the type of person who has difficulty reading it on my own...must have someone telling me what to do (homework, etc) and then do it.  I am in my second of three years and hope to be finished in about a year if all goes well...which includes Summers, of course.
Also, please do not get me wrong...I would never put the JD on a resume without full disclosure (although I am sure some would)...because it is wrong and in my opinion,, in some places not be legal.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 13, 2013, 06:56:11 PM
New York will generally let English solicitors take the bar but the catch is they have to get licensed first which means a training contract in England first.  There has been discussion here that one could get a foreign distance learning law degree and then somehow qualify to take a US bar without being licensed as a foreign attorney first.  I have my doubts it will work since the bar will apprehend that we have a US resident obtaining a foreign DL degree when they simply could have enrolled in a California DL school.  I see no reason why the bar would do someone outside their scheme any favors.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 13, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
New York will generally let English solicitors take the bar but the catch is they have to get licensed first which means a training contract in England first.

Does CA require that UK law grads first get licensed as solicitors before they can apply for CA admission? Or could a CA resident get an LL.B and immediately apply to take the CA bar?
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Citylaw on October 14, 2013, 11:07:03 AM
Don't most foreign students have to get an LLM in America to sit for the California Bar Exam. I knew a number of international students that were attorneys in their countries, but had to complete an LLM to sit for the California Bar.

Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 18, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
It is hard enough to get a bar ticket with a foreign license - getting in with a foreign law degree and a one year LLM sounds good theory but likely will not work.  How would the bar evaluate the foreign law degree? A 1 year LLM is not the same as a 3 year JD. 
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Citylaw on October 20, 2013, 06:56:11 PM
It is very common I know a number of people in California that obtained a J.D. internationally and then completed an LLM to take the California Bar Exam. Here is a link from Boalt explainign the process with an actual link to the California Bar Website as well, but obviously the Cal Bar made it way more confusing and cumbersome than necessary.

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/California_Bar_Examination_Requirements_for_Professional_LLM_Students.pdf

Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 20, 2013, 08:26:32 PM
Depending on what country your degree is from, an applicant may not need the LL.M. I believe CA has a reciprocal agreement with the UK which allows LL.B holders to take the CA bar. I know an attorney from Ireland who got admitted without the LL.M.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 21, 2013, 09:42:12 PM
So if you complete an online LL.B you have to either take and pass the exams to get licensed as a solicitor, or get an LL.M before you can take the CA bar. Two bar exams? Yikes.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on October 21, 2013, 10:07:40 PM
Where do you read that, you have been on the site for years of course under a different name and you constantly find a way to poke a hole in the truth and distort the truth, tell false truths and half truths. You don't have to pass a foreign bar exam but you do have to have a foreign law degree plus have a US LLM in American / US Law to take the California bar if you are not a licensed attorney somewhere.  I know you don't like the fact that this is an option, its well documented from your previous comments over the  past 2 yrs and probably even longer.  I came on this site 2 yrs ago before I started my law studies and you still trying to discredit folks that are trying to find alternative ways especially the ones that are going or inquiring about the foreign route.  I know from your past comments you find it distastefull that this is a real option but get over it.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on October 22, 2013, 12:51:53 AM
"False truths"? Good grief.

You don't have to pass a foreign bar exam but you do have to have a foreign law degree plus have a US LLM in American / US Law to take the California bar if you are not a licensed attorney somewhere.    

You will be dismayed to learn that basic reading comprehension is an important part of the bar exam. Read my post, compare it to the bolded portion above. You don't even understand what you're talking about. There appear to be two options:

1) LL.B + licensure in the U.K. = ticket to CA bar exam.
Getting licensed in the U.K. requires you to take the qualifying exams, thus you would take the UK exams and the CBEX. If you go this route you will have to pass two bar exams, hence my comment.

2) LL.B, no U.K. licensure + ABA/CBE LL.M = ticket to CBEX.
This option requires more time and money, but only one bar exam.

I know from your past comments you find it distastefull that this is a real option but get over it.


I don't find it distasteful in the least. I've spent lots of time in the U.K., some of it at Oxford, and I have a very high opinion of U.K. higher education. I have no doubt that Northumbria offers a fine education. 

I do, however, think that this plan is a waste of time if your goal is to pass the CBEX. Why spend four years studying law that isn't tested? Look at the abysmal pass rates for foreign educated lawyers. They are low for a reason.

I came on this site 2 yrs ago before I started my law studies and you still trying to discredit folks that are trying to find alternative ways especially the ones that are going or inquiring about the foreign route.

I am skeptical of "alternative" routes to bar admission because they seldom work! Don't take my word for it, look at the recorded pass rates. They are very low. Look, if you're going to post stuff on a public forum people are going to respond. Don't take it personally, but understand that people are going to be skeptical when you extol the virtues of a path to bar admission with an extremely low success rate. How many people have passed the CBEX via this route? Do you even know?

Some people here (myself included) have actually taken the CA bar exam, and might be in a better position than you to determine what is (or is not)adequate preparation.     
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on October 22, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
We can go at this all day but I choose not too.   I originally posted this thread on purpose, asking how other students were doing in their distance learning studies, since this is a distance learning forum.  I already knew that I wouldn't really get any responses from current students in DL programs and I knew it would turn into something else LOL.  I have come to realize this is an anti - distance learning forum, mostly patrolled by the same people.

Best of luck to everyone in what every direction you choose to complete your legal education.   I will be finish with my degree in 7 months, then on to a US LLM to further my education.
 

Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: jennid1234 on October 22, 2013, 02:20:18 PM
Bar pass rates. 

I just received this from CLS - the schools bar pass rates since the students started taking the Cal Bar Exam: 

Since Concord graduates started sitting for the General Bar Examination in February 2003, 862 graduates have taken the exam. They have an ultimate pass rate of 52.3% (302 first time and 149 repeat-taker passers, for a total of 451 graduates passing).

JD via online, it is available. On another note, credible?  Is the degree credible, I think  it is the October issue of Los Angeles Lawyer, cover photo is a CLS grad!  NICE!  Plus I know 4 CLS grads who opened a law firm in OC this past year! 

We online learners must take another exam: the FYLSE, which I think there are about 100 CLS students taking that today. 

CLS Stat's on passing: Since Concord students started sitting for the First Year Law Studentsí Examination in October 1999, 3,122 students have taken the exam. They have an ultimate pass rate of 48.9% (1,015 first-time and 513 repeattaker passers, for a total of 1,528 students passing).

I was a repeater on the FYLSE, passed 2nd time around.  So what does this all mean?  I think the ABA better wake up! We are going to better than those traditional graduates soon, we work harder, play harder and even open up profitable law firms together and DON'T overbill our clients like XYZ or ACME LP mainstream firms are doing now. 

I read a book recently about this trade being a dead end, the end of lawyers.  Don't believe it, we onliners are changing the playing field for the better.

Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Citylaw on October 23, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
I am not against online learning and I think it can be great for the right person. I also think anyone who is capable of passing the California Bar Exam is very intelligent and can succeed as an attorney.

The only thing I think raises an issue in online education is law school is very difficult and it is hard to stay focused for the majority of people without other people around them. Worker's that work from home are traditionally less productive than those in an office.

People who buy the home work out equipement rarely use it and those who attend a gym will generally exercise more. The simple fact is having other people around motivates people more,  but there are plenty of people who do not need that kick of other's around and it may even be distracting to certain people.

To each their own, but I think you really need to know if your disciplined enough to complete an Online Law School if you are then more power to you.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 27, 2013, 06:04:29 PM
I also have tried to warn that this may not even result in a bar ticket. Unless he has a firm committment in writing from the Cal Bar that they will accept a foreign distance learning LLB plus LLM; I have my doubts the bar will comply. The Cal Bar as I have noted before is not obligated to accept just any foreign LLB - would they accept a LLB from UNISA or University of Zimbabwe absent a license - I am not so sure.  I think the bar will look at the degree itself and make a decision and since it is a DL degree and not Oxford, the result may be in question. 

However I do disagree, a LLB plus LLM and bar course is likely just as good as a California DL JD - that is to say about 5-1 odds against passing.

If it was me - I'd go for the solicitor license first and then the the US Bar.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 27, 2013, 06:06:45 PM
By the way I have an online JD and then did the QLTT - so I am not anti DL, I am just warning you the bars are not your friend in these matters and to get it in writing....
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Citylaw on October 29, 2013, 07:16:35 PM
Agreed each state bar has their own rules and you don't want to go through law school only to find out you cannot get licensed or have to go through a Supreme Court battle to obtain a license.

California is probably the most liberal of states when allowing individuals to take the exam, but even they have restrictions and they can decide to say no so as Jonlevy suggests get everything in writing and talk to the State Bar before you are interested in joining prior to paying a dime in tuition.

If the school can you get a bar exam ticket then you can get a license and once your licensed you have the ability to practice law and whether you succeed or fail will be up to you.

Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: greg8 on October 30, 2013, 01:10:43 AM
I have read all the discussion posted here. Actually, I'm thinking if there is distance learning for law when I see this thread. I get confuse in taking bar exam. Is it possible to take bar exam if you took distance learning in UK (e.g) but you were residing outside UE? How?
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: livinglegend on November 05, 2013, 09:08:50 AM
Each jurisdiction will have their own rules about who can dot for the bar exam and nobody on this. Board or any Other anonymous Internet poster can give you a solid answer. I would contact the bars of jurisdictions you are interested in directly and ask them about their policy on distance education some will likely approve others will not and getting answers directly from the source prior to embarking on a 3 year 100k degree about whether you can actually sit for the bar is a good idea.

Good luck
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on November 24, 2013, 07:48:38 PM
If you contemplate going down some unknown road like an English online law degree - submit your plan to the state bar first and get an opinion in writing.  California has a process for this.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: livinglegend on November 25, 2013, 08:53:23 AM
Yes do not leave it to chance make sure you can sit for the bar exam and get confirmation in writing directly from the source.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: sdfaef on November 26, 2013, 01:14:37 AM
Many schools have a distance learning,so the  degree certificate will be formal ?
I always thought that the distance education  effect is not good
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on December 13, 2014, 09:04:44 PM
I posted this thread over a year ago, I was still pursing my LLB at the time.  Whelp!  I graduated  a few months ago.  I had my degree evaluated by agency approved by the California Bar Examiners and the evaluation of my LLB was a success.  I will be starting in Jan 2015 an LLM program at an approved ABA school.  I will also be receiving tuition reimbursement from my employer which will keep my cost down.  Upon completion of my LLM, I will be eligible for the Washington State and California Bar exam.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: barprephero on December 13, 2014, 10:02:13 PM
I posted this thread over a year ago, I was still pursing my LLB at the time.  Whelp!  I graduated  a few months ago.  I had my degree evaluated by agency approved by the California Bar Examiners and the evaluation of my LLB was a success.  I will be starting in Jan 2015 an LLM program at an approved ABA school.  I will also be receiving tuition reimbursement from my employer which will keep my cost down.  Upon completion of my LLM, I will be eligible for the Washington State and California Bar exam.
This just strikes me as a waste of time and resources. Why spend twice the time? There are online CA ones if that was your goal. And if you get a 160 LSAT many of the lower ranked law schools will give you a free ride (even cheaper than what you did) And to be frank if you can't get a 160 LSAT you shouldn't be in law school anyways IMHO. Its meant to be a gatekeeper.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on December 13, 2014, 10:38:26 PM
LOL that's funny.  Well go for it, best of luck to you on pursuing your education.  Where are you in the process?  I just have 1 yr left and I got to keep my job and career in tack while pursing a legal education. As far as going to law school full-time that is not an option and would not be a smart move for my situation.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: barprephero on December 14, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
LOL that's funny.  Well go for it, best of luck to you on pursuing your education.  Where are you in the process?  I just have 1 yr left and I got to keep my job and career in tack while pursing a legal education. As far as going to law school full-time that is not an option and would not be a smart move for my situation.
you.........didn't even read what I wrote did you?
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on February 06, 2016, 06:41:18 AM
Checking back in!  I posted on this site 4 yrs ago when I started my law journey.  I received a lot of comments that it couldn't be done.  Well 4 years later I have a UK LLB and ABA LLM degree.  My foreign law degree has already been evaluated by an agency approved on the Cali Bar examiners list.  The evaluation was a success.  I plan to take the July 2016 or Feb 2017 bar exam.  Best of luck to all pursuing their dreams, keep your eyes on the prize.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on February 06, 2016, 05:41:03 PM
Checking back in!  I posted on this site 4 yrs ago when I started my law journey.  I received a lot of comments that it couldn't be done.  Well 4 years later I have a UK LLB and ABA LLM degree.  My foreign law degree has already been evaluated by an agency approved on the Cali Bar examiners list.  The evaluation was a success.  I plan to take the July 2016 or Feb 2017 bar exam.  Best of luck to all pursuing their dreams, keep your eyes on the prize.

congrats

make sure to mention this on http://www.all4jds.com
since they are mostly CA online grads out there and ask questions about stuff like if what you described is doable
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on February 15, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
There is one distinct advantage, no California First Year Law Student Exam required.  Let's face it the FYLSE has about a 20% pass rate. Bypassing that is smart if you have time and resources. A UK LLB, US LLM and a bar pass course would put one in a good position to pass the bar.  The FYLSE is always dicey.  Online law is a numbers game, this shaves the odds down a bit.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on February 15, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
There is one distinct advantage, no California First Year Law Student Exam required.  Let's face it the FYLSE has about a 20% pass rate. Bypassing that is smart if you have time and resources. A UK LLB, US LLM and a bar pass course would put one in a good position to pass the bar.  The FYLSE is always dicey.  Online law is a numbers game, this shaves the odds down a bit.
That just means go to one of the on campus (but still not ABA) schools for year one and then transfer online............(if that is the only reason) and you'd be exempt
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on February 28, 2016, 05:24:27 PM

That just means go to one of the on campus (but still not ABA) schools for year one and then transfer online............(if that is the only reason) and you'd be exempt
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That would be cheating!  We only do online here.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on February 28, 2016, 07:09:22 PM

That just means go to one of the on campus (but still not ABA) schools for year one and then transfer online............(if that is the only reason) and you'd be exempt

That would be cheating!  We only do online here.
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1. learn to quote
2. You don't know what cheating means
3. you have no clue what the CA bar rules are then either...............you idiot
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on February 29, 2016, 07:09:09 PM

1. learn to quote
2. You don't know what cheating means
3. you have no clue what the CA bar rules are then either...............you idiot

That was a joke. But you'll make a good lawyer LOL.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on February 29, 2016, 11:45:08 PM

1. learn to quote
2. You don't know what cheating means
3. you have no clue what the CA bar rules are then either...............you idiot

That was a joke. But you'll make a good lawyer LOL.
already am one.......thus why I don't hide behind the work "practitioner"
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on March 08, 2016, 08:40:38 PM

already am one.......thus why I don't hide behind the work "practitioner"

But not in California apparently - Quote from: Matthias Pavayne on February 28, 2016, 07:09:22 PM
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on March 09, 2016, 07:22:40 AM
What I mean is you seem seriously ticked off about nothing in particular.  It is worth repeating that going to online school in the UK and then taking a LLM seems like a round about way to get to the California Bar unless one was trying to avoid the FYLSE.  In which case it is brilliant.  Sure one can go for a year to a bricks and mortar school too, but us online grads pride ourselves on doing it the hard way.  I intentionally dropped out of law school the first semester so I could do it purely online (though I didn't know it at the time what a brilliant move I was making).  Sure other lawyers may sneer but that would have done that anyway.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on March 10, 2016, 04:14:12 PM
What I mean is you seem seriously ticked off about nothing in particular.  It is worth repeating that going to online school in the UK and then taking a LLM seems like a round about way to get to the California Bar unless one was trying to avoid the FYLSE.  In which case it is brilliant.  Sure one can go for a year to a bricks and mortar school too, but us online grads pride ourselves on doing it the hard way.  I intentionally dropped out of law school the first semester so I could do it purely online (though I didn't know it at the time what a brilliant move I was making).  Sure other lawyers may sneer but that would have done that anyway.
It took you that long to come back to this thought........really??
And dropping out first year (if you were doing ok) is pretty stupid. BUT at least that is exempt from first year bar exam. IF someone was going to do it online I'd say do that first year on an Accredited school (not all on campus is accredited in the eyes of the bar-even if DETC or whoever does)
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on March 12, 2016, 02:35:42 PM
I chose to do the distance learning UK LLB versus distance learning non-aba JD degree because it made the most sense regarding my situation.  I'm over 40 well established in my career, I make over 100k yr, so quitting my job at this stage of my life didn't make sense.  I was able to gain two law degrees in 4 years while maintaining my career and not uproot my family.  The total cost of my legal education was about 20k.  I was able to get tuition assistance through my employer by using my company benefits which reduced my out of pocket cost to less than 10k.  In summary, I was able to keep my career, lifestyle, gain an accredited law degree in England and obtain a US LLM degree from a ABA approved law school.  I have no regrets, I knew fully the pros and cons before I even started my law journey.  I had majority of negative comments from this site even before I started my journey, it didn't stop me, I still came back and posted my progress.  I plan on taking the bar exam in 2017 and eventually take the QLTS to become a English solicitor.  I'll check back in next year.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on March 12, 2016, 06:07:41 PM
If so......you are an even bigger idiot that the burger king worker who made an attempt at it.
You wasted energy and time to change nothing.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Duncanjp on March 13, 2016, 12:38:17 PM
If so......you are an even bigger idiot that the burger king worker who made an attempt at it.
You wasted energy and time to change nothing.

He or she made decisions based on personal circumstances. Perhaps you would have made different choices for yourself. This is a poor reason to call somebody an idiot. An attorney knows better than to scrutinize the validity of other people's decisions exclusively in light of his or her own situation, which is what you are doing. Sure, for you to follow his path would be a poor decision. But the inverse is no less true.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: cusc2011 on March 13, 2016, 05:57:17 PM
If so......you are an even bigger idiot that the burger king worker who made an attempt at it.
You wasted energy and time to change nothing.

LMAFO! - you're funny.  You sound angry and frustrated??  You're entitled to your opinion.  Bottom line is I received two law degrees for 20k and I didn't have to incur any debt to obtain my legal education without any loans and I was able to keep my career and I'm now eligible to sit for a few bar exams in the United States.  Not bad for a burger king worker LOL
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on March 13, 2016, 08:33:33 PM
If so......you are an even bigger idiot that the burger king worker who made an attempt at it.
You wasted energy and time to change nothing.

He or she made decisions based on personal circumstances. Perhaps you would have made different choices for yourself. This is a poor reason to call somebody an idiot. An attorney knows better than to scrutinize the validity of other people's decisions exclusively in light of his or her own situation, which is what you are doing. Sure, for you to follow his path would be a poor decision. But the inverse is no less true.
I quit reading after "a lawyer knows better than"
go outside and meet people in real life
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on March 13, 2016, 08:35:40 PM
If so......you are an even bigger idiot that the burger king worker who made an attempt at it.
You wasted energy and time to change nothing.

LMAFO! - you're funny.  You sound angry and frustrated??  You're entitled to your opinion.  Bottom line is I received two law degrees for 20k and I didn't have to incur any debt to obtain my legal education without any loans and I was able to keep my career and I'm now eligible to sit for a few bar exams in the United States.  Not bad for a burger king worker LOL
You paid $20K (loan or not) to achieve a piece of paper that is useless to you, and then went on to get a second one (which is stupid and useless no matter who does it)
and no one called you a burger king worker........you'd have possibly learned reading comp if you'd gone to a real school and not the paper mill you went to.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Duncanjp on March 14, 2016, 02:59:10 PM
If so......you are an even bigger idiot that the burger king worker who made an attempt at it.
You wasted energy and time to change nothing.

He or she made decisions based on personal circumstances. Perhaps you would have made different choices for yourself. This is a poor reason to call somebody an idiot. An attorney knows better than to scrutinize the validity of other people's decisions exclusively in light of his or her own situation, which is what you are doing. Sure, for you to follow his path would be a poor decision. But the inverse is no less true.
I quit reading after "a lawyer knows better than"
go outside and meet people in real life

Well, heck, dude. I've met my match. Your rapier wit has me completely outgunned. It's nearly as masterful as your skill with direct quotes.

Instead of dodging my observation, offer a substantive response.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on March 15, 2016, 01:20:04 PM
I have to believe that you are TRYING to be this painfully stupid. What dodging? What observation?
Already gave response.

Proof that stupid people are too stupid to know that they are stupid.........hurts the brain.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Duncanjp on March 15, 2016, 02:41:46 PM
What dodging? What observation?

Proving your own point. Thanks for the laugh.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on March 15, 2016, 05:22:00 PM
What dodging? What observation?

Proving your own point. Thanks for the laugh.
sadly.........I think you believe that. Insert more too stupid to know its stupid.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: Duncanjp on March 16, 2016, 03:31:40 PM
Okay, so to reframe my original observation, it's your opinion that people are "idiots" who make life decisions for themselves that you would not have made for yourself. And they deserve to be told so on internet forums (embellishing now). So far, you've called me stupid, but I was really hoping for a more substantive reply.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on March 17, 2016, 08:49:59 PM
Okay, so to reframe my original observation, it's your opinion that people are "idiots" who make life decisions for themselves that you would not have made for yourself. And they deserve to be told so on internet forums (embellishing now). So far, you've called me stupid, but I was really hoping for a more substantive reply.
To ignore all the kneejerk defense mechanisms...........To summarize my caveat "Stupid is as stupid does"
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: legalpractitioner on March 26, 2016, 07:43:20 PM
Bottom line, there are plenty of people who get a JD and never practice or even take the bar.  They may end up making more money than lawyers in the business world.  In which case I'd say the JD served them well.
Title: Re: Distance Learning
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on March 27, 2016, 12:41:16 AM
Bottom line, there are plenty of people who get a JD and never practice or even take the bar.  They may end up making more money than lawyers in the business world.  In which case I'd say the JD served them well.

Actually.....no. Not at all.

In that case they never needed it, thus it didn't serve them anything. They would have been better off with a masters degree in their field (if anything, since they were apparently ok as is anyways)

Although to be fair, you did add the qualifier "I'd say", and based on your past posts, I'd believe that..........