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Law Students => Transferring => Topic started by: Rydney on July 30, 2012, 09:42:59 PM

Title: Transfer Options?
Post by: Rydney on July 30, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
I would love anyone's thoughts on what schools-ABA's-would take me as a transfer student. I have currently fallen below my school's minimum credit hours per term-I'm part time/nontrad/kids/work/blah blah blah-and they have denied my request to be allowed to continue to receive federal aid, which for me is the same as being kicked out. I was not however, kicked out, just can't keep paying out of pocket and hope to be able to transfer somewhere I can get federal aid. Now for the soul crushing part: 2.80 undergrad/147 LSAT-I know, I know, but I didn't want to take that damn thing twice-and a current 2.0 after 39 credit hours in law school. Are there any ABA's that will touch me that anyone knows of? Oh, and spring admissions would be nice too.
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on July 30, 2012, 11:37:34 PM
I didn't know that a school could deny you access to federal student loans, I thought that was up to the federal govt? Is your school saying that because you fell below the minimum credits you can't qualify? I seem to remember that my law school required that you be enrolled in at least 9 units, even for parttime.

As far as transferring, unless something changes you're likely to have the same problem at another school that you have at your current school: not enough time. Trust me, I know how it is. Any school you seek to transfer to is probably going to have a minimum credit requirement, and you're back at square one unless you can make some kind of change in your schedule.

I'm not sure where you're located and which school you attend, but even making a lateral transfer (transferring to a school of the same general ranking as your current school) is probably going to be tough with a 2.0. Were you on academic probation at some point? I'm assuming that if your cumulative GPA is 2.0, then you must have had several grades below passing. That will all make transferring very tough.

Another option is to take a leave of absence while you figure out how to manage your schedule, then return to your current school. If you can enroll for the required number of units you should be able to get federal loans again.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: Cher1300 on July 31, 2012, 12:43:34 PM
I would also suggest taking a leave of absence.  I am part-time evening and am getting federal student aid with just 9 credits.  Are you currently under 9 credits?  If that's the case and you have just a 2.0, you are better off taking a leave and re-organizing your time so you can do the minimum course load and get your aid.  Find out from your school exactly how much time you can take, rework your schedule, then just stay where you are and try to build up your gpa.  I don't mean to be harsh, but I don't think another ABA school is going to touch you with that gpa especially if you are unable to put in 9 credit hours.  Good luck with whatever you decide. 
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: cooley3L on August 04, 2012, 11:43:42 AM
I would love anyone's thoughts on what schools-ABA's-would take me as a transfer student. I have currently fallen below my school's minimum credit hours per term-I'm part time/nontrad/kids/work/blah blah blah-and they have denied my request to be allowed to continue to receive federal aid, which for me is the same as being kicked out. I was not however, kicked out, just can't keep paying out of pocket and hope to be able to transfer somewhere I can get federal aid. Now for the soul crushing part: 2.80 undergrad/147 LSAT-I know, I know, but I didn't want to take that damn thing twice-and a current 2.0 after 39 credit hours in law school. Are there any ABA's that will touch me that anyone knows of? Oh, and spring admissions would be nice too.
Transfer from what? A non-ABA school? I think some ABA schools conisider some classes being allowed, but your best bet may be to restart. Your LSAT is good enough for Cooley, it's an option.
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: cooley3L on August 04, 2012, 11:45:16 AM
I would also suggest taking a leave of absence.  I am part-time evening and am getting federal student aid with just 9 credits.  Are you currently under 9 credits?  If that's the case and you have just a 2.0, you are better off taking a leave and re-organizing your time so you can do the minimum course load and get your aid.  Find out from your school exactly how much time you can take, rework your schedule, then just stay where you are and try to build up your gpa.  I don't mean to be harsh, but I don't think another ABA school is going to touch you with that gpa especially if you are unable to put in 9 credit hours.  Good luck with whatever you decide.

It may depend on if his school was accredited or not. Do you get living expences too? I know that is at the option of the school, even if the fed would approve it. The school picks the amount. Normally the fed pays the school, and the school then pays you (direct deposit or check).
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: Cher1300 on August 05, 2012, 03:24:01 PM
I would also suggest taking a leave of absence.  I am part-time evening and am getting federal student aid with just 9 credits.  Are you currently under 9 credits?  If that's the case and you have just a 2.0, you are better off taking a leave and re-organizing your time so you can do the minimum course load and get your aid.  Find out from your school exactly how much time you can take, rework your schedule, then just stay where you are and try to build up your gpa.  I don't mean to be harsh, but I don't think another ABA school is going to touch you with that gpa especially if you are unable to put in 9 credit hours.  Good luck with whatever you decide.

It may depend on if his school was accredited or not. Do you get living expences too? I know that is at the option of the school, even if the fed would approve it. The school picks the amount. Normally the fed pays the school, and the school then pays you (direct deposit or check).

I do get living expenses, but try not to touch it and pay as much as I can on my own.  I'm wondering now also, since the subsidized loans were cut by the federal government if that is also his/her issue.   I barely received enough federal aid to cover my tuition, but could have taken out more money under a credit-based loan, which I didn't want to do.  Although I get living expenses, I don't take it because I work full-time.  As far as accreditation, I did just assume their school was accredited because ABA doesn't allow transfers from unaccredited schools.  Some ABAs may take credits from a state accredited school, but there are very few of them and one generally needs a gpa higher than 2.0 for transfers - at least in California.  I can't speak for any other state. 
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: Rydney on August 09, 2012, 10:35:44 PM
I appreciate the thoughts and wanted to reply just to answer some of the questions that popped up. I am at an ABA accredited school, and yes, I was receiving aid that included living expenses. Taking time off would not help, as even with time off when I came back I would still be without access to any federal aid, and that for me is a deal breaker. I thought about restart as well, but I am not sure how I could qualify as I did not flunk out, although I came damn close. Maybe I should have, I don't know, but how does restart work if someone has not been academically suspended?
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: jack24 on August 10, 2012, 09:56:38 AM
I'm tempted to call this thread a flame.

If your story is real, I don't see why you would throw good money (or debt) after bad. 

If you were applying for a transfer, what would you argue to convince them your past performance is not an indication of your potential?
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: Rydney on August 10, 2012, 11:33:52 AM
Troll
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: jack24 on August 10, 2012, 12:30:55 PM
If you look through my posts you'll see I'm not a troll.

Generally speaking, the answer to your question is no.  There are not any ABA accredited schools that would take your transfer application.  However, in an effort to be helpful, I'd like to know why your past performance is anomalous and not direct evidence of what to expect in the future.

On paper, you are someone who scored at around the 40th percentile on the LSAT.  You are likely somewhere in the bottom quarter of your law school class, and you fell below the minimum credit-hours per term.  Usually, that means you received incompletes or Fs in a class or two.

With the adversity you face, I think it's folly to continue in law school UNLESS you have some clear and concrete career path.   Care to share your career ambitions?
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: Rydney on August 10, 2012, 09:02:42 PM
Sorry to spoil your day Jack, but there is actually a school that picked me up for the fall, as amazing as that is, and I fully admit it's kind of a shock. You see Jack, not everyone needs to be in some silly % of their class or on the LSAT to get a job as a lawyer, and nothing that happened in or before law school will matter to those of us with the ability to practice law, not just be super way cool neato law students... I have yet to see that pay anyone's rent. And some of us have lives outside of law school that require part time attendance, giving us credit hour per term issues. Law schools are pure evil and don't care, and I understand that, but I also understand that if I just get through the child advocacy job I have waiting for me will be worth it. Now, as I obviously don't need anymore advice from this site I'm going to leave you to your meaningless diatribe about %'s of this and %'s of that, and whatever other kicks you get out of having been on this site for 4 years-have a nice life Jack. The jack24 w/pick of Sutherland really screams little big man issues by the way, which of course will make you a perfect weasel lawyer at some firm somewhere. Do yourself a favor someday jack/24, have sex with a stripper, get in a bar fight, do something besides be such a damn weasel all your life. I feel sorry for men like you.
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: cooley3L on August 12, 2012, 04:24:25 PM
Seeing how as you havn't actually closed your account yet I'll go ahead and ask, what school you decide to go with then?
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: cooley3L on August 12, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Sorry to spoil your day Jack, but there is actually a school that picked me up for the fall, as amazing as that is, and I fully admit it's kind of a shock. You see Jack, not everyone needs to be in some silly % of their class or on the LSAT to get a job as a lawyer, and nothing that happened in or before law school will matter to those of us with the ability to practice law, not just be super way cool neato law students... I have yet to see that pay anyone's rent. And some of us have lives outside of law school that require part time attendance, giving us credit hour per term issues. Law schools are pure evil and don't care, and I understand that, but I also understand that if I just get through the child advocacy job I have waiting for me will be worth it. Now, as I obviously don't need anymore advice from this site I'm going to leave you to your meaningless diatribe about %'s of this and %'s of that, and whatever other kicks you get out of having been on this site for 4 years-have a nice life Jack. The jack24 w/pick of Sutherland really screams little big man issues by the way, which of course will make you a perfect weasel lawyer at some firm somewhere. Do yourself a favor someday jack/24, have sex with a stripper, get in a bar fight, do something besides be such a damn weasel all your life. I feel sorry for men like you.
Upon reading the dissertation your provided, I have to add...... Jack actually gave mostly good advice. No need to flipout.

I am glad you found a school to go with. Did you get to keep your credits and "transfer" or when you say they "took you" do you mean you just get to start day one like everyone else?
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: jack24 on August 13, 2012, 08:57:57 AM
Sorry to spoil your day Jack, but there is actually a school that picked me up for the fall, as amazing as that is, and I fully admit it's kind of a shock. You see Jack, not everyone needs to be in some silly % of their class or on the LSAT to get a job as a lawyer, and nothing that happened in or before law school will matter to those of us with the ability to practice law, not just be super way cool neato law students... I have yet to see that pay anyone's rent. And some of us have lives outside of law school that require part time attendance, giving us credit hour per term issues. Law schools are pure evil and don't care, and I understand that, but I also understand that if I just get through the child advocacy job I have waiting for me will be worth it. Now, as I obviously don't need anymore advice from this site I'm going to leave you to your meaningless diatribe about %'s of this and %'s of that, and whatever other kicks you get out of having been on this site for 4 years-have a nice life Jack. The jack24 w/pick of Sutherland really screams little big man issues by the way, which of course will make you a perfect weasel lawyer at some firm somewhere. Do yourself a favor someday jack/24, have sex with a stripper, get in a bar fight, do something besides be such a damn weasel all your life. I feel sorry for men like you.

Wow.  I'm sorry to have insulted you so.

Most of the points you make are valid.  I can understand where you are coming from.  But the legal field is absolutely brutal.  Employers, due to their inability to effectively investigate candidates, depend largely on schools to weed out candidates. 

Jobs are just so tough to come by.  A state court in my area had a staff attorney opening.  The position paid under 45k a year, and they received over 120 applications from licensed attorneys.

I work as a "weasely" lawyer now, but it was tough to get here.  I was in the top quarter at a t2.  I was on the boards of law review and moot court, and I had great summer jobs during law school.     I sent out far more than 500 emails and 100 letters.  I applied for more than 100 open positions.  Through two years of networking and toiling I got three job offers.

I know for a fact that almost all legal employers only interview people they know and people who have an impressive resume.

So while I can understand why you would be upset at me, I still believe it is best for you, based on your prior performance, to fight like you have an uphill battle ahead.  You should keep that in mind as you decide whether to spend more time and money pursuing this particular goal. 

The legal field is tough, and it is full of countless lawyers who ended up in jobs they didn't want.
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: jack24 on August 13, 2012, 09:05:07 AM
Oh, and the Jack 24 thing has been with me since I was first accepted to law school.  It may be linked to some psychological problems I have, but it's more likely due to the fact that 24 was awesome back then.

I could change it to Jack from lost... but then it might seem like I have daddy issues and I'm running from responsibility.

Maybe someone current is better?  Perhaps Michael from Burn Notice or Harvey from Suits?   
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: cooley3L on September 05, 2012, 02:50:54 PM
Oh, and the Jack 24 thing has been with me since I was first accepted to law school.  It may be linked to some psychological problems I have, but it's more likely due to the fact that 24 was awesome back then.

I could change it to Jack from lost... but then it might seem like I have daddy issues and I'm running from responsibility.

Maybe someone current is better?  Perhaps Michael from Burn Notice or Harvey from Suits?
Not that you should feel the need to, but if you want you can change your avatar (and even your viewable name) I believe on this site.
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: jaycube on October 24, 2012, 01:28:28 AM
You seems like a problem child that is why you are getting school transfer once again you can request for the stay.
Title: Re: Transfer Options?
Post by: kjw5029 on October 27, 2012, 08:19:50 PM
You seems like a problem child that is why you are getting school transfer once again you can request for the stay.

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