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Title: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: calvinexpress on July 05, 2012, 07:50:48 AM
I'm thinking of attending online law school and I don't know what one to pick. I've interviewed most of all of them, and they each have their good and bad. Money is not an issue as I am willing to pay the extra money for the better education. ALU and Northwestern both teach one class at a time. Concord teaches four classes at at a time. I think one class at a time is better. Some of them also have online video learning that we can watch the instructor teach a live class, although I don't know what schools do this.

Can I get anybody's input that has attended these online colleges or others ones? I realize everybody has different learning styles amd works for you might not work for me, but I would like input anyways.

Help me decide. Thanks.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jack24 on July 05, 2012, 08:43:57 AM
I haven't attended those schools, but I think it would be better for you in the long run to take multiple classes at once.  Even if you can do the same number of credits per year, I don't think one class tunnel vision is the best way to learn. (Or prepare for a bar exam or practice law)

My first semester classes were contracts, civ pro, crim law, property and legal research & writing. (Con law was a second semester class when I started)

The classes aren't interdependent, but they are interrelated.  I think learning them at the same time helps you get a better handle.

I know everyone has different learning styles, but that's just my two cents.   

(What order do ALU and Northwestern teach their classes in?)
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on July 05, 2012, 10:32:17 AM
I might be 100% wrong about this, but I'd be inclined to pick the school with the highest FYLSE/bar pass rates. My reasoning is that all online schools probably have very similar students in terms of academic qualifcations, the amount of time they're able to dedicate to studying, etc. Although the specific learning platforms may vary, if one school has better pass rates that might speak to the overall quality of the program.   
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: calvinexpress on July 05, 2012, 01:01:39 PM
Very few people pass the Calfornia baby bar that attended online law school. Some do not have any passing students. Every student failed. The California pass statistics are online here at this link, http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Examinations/Statistics.aspx#statsFYX

Yale has the highest pass ratio for law schools. Almost every one of their students passed that took the Californa bar.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on July 05, 2012, 01:28:37 PM
Yeah, that's not too surprising. I guess my question would be this: among the online schools you're looking at, does any one have higher pass rates than the others? If so, are those pass rates consistently higher? If the answer is yes, I'd probably pick that school.

Just curious, is online your only option? Could you attend a part-time evening program at a brick and mortar school?
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jack24 on July 05, 2012, 01:46:17 PM
Roald and I have gone back and forth about this, but I'm not so sure the quality of the program is the biggest indicator of bar passage.  I think quality of students has a significantly higher impact than the program.

Look at every T2 school in the nation and I bet you get varying bar exam pass rates.  The quality of the program doesn't really change much (it should improve) but bar rates go up and down significantly.

I just looked at one school that went down 18% and then back up 27%.   The overall bar passage in that state moved, but not nearly as much.

I do, however, think that you want to consider your own learning style and find a school that matches it.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on July 05, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
I actually agree with you, Jack, at least to an extent. For example, Stanford has a higher bar pass rate than Golden Gate even though substantive education at each school is very similar. Why? Because the students at Stanford are generally better qualified academically. With online unaccredited schools I think that the quality of students is definitely an issue, but I think there are probably several other issues that contribute to the low pass rates.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: calgal27 on July 05, 2012, 08:15:11 PM
I have talked to all the online schools and even tried Taft. I did not care for their teaching method as they did not care about you as an individual.

I am contemplating California School of Law because you are required to attend classes online  2 nights a week.  2 classes a semester...3 semesters a year.  the classes are on pacific standard time and I am on the East coast.  This should be interesting...lol.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jennid1234 on July 06, 2012, 06:26:59 PM
I am waiting for my test result from Cal Bar for the FYLSE, if I passed (which I feel pretty good about).  I go to Concord.  I recommend HIGHLY.  Get school, get online classes and prep - BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY -

I signed up in October 2010, was accepted at end of Dec.  had to rush and buy my books for the first year that week because classes started on the 6th of Jan.  Finals - the second week in Dec. and you better be ready for them!  Why?  Can you imagine failing your first year?  NO WAY.  I passed, then took two weeks off, Christmas was a blur and I had not idea how to prepare for FYLSE.  I am so glad I'm in the Jan class ---- when I graduate in 2014 I can sit for the bar at the end of Feb.  Those that are in the June class have the same results for the Bar in July, but they had finals in May and had to register for the FYLSE before grades were issued plus found out if they were eligible about a week before taking the test.  If I lived in Cali, that would be ok, but living out of state means I would have all that expense out without knowing if I could even sit for the exam. 

I crammed for my 2L classes and had them halfway done by 2nd week in May.  Studied my 1L, took the concordfirst review in 3 weeks, did over 500 multiple choice questions, over 100 essays (but only wrote out 20, the other 80 was issues only and then compared to the model answers.  Learned my rule statements.  Now I eagerly await the results and for August 13th when I'll know, do I have to do this again in October?  If so, Oakland is better than L.A., less people take it there and more affordable travel expenses. 

To top all this off, Concord has financial aid - it costs but it'w worth it, and the education is the same as a brick and mortor school, just not approved by the ABA - but who cares, a law degree in four years at a fraction of the cost, passing the bar will be a challenge, but becoming a lawyer - will be a goal I've waited a long time to achieve.

Go for it! Choose your school and let us know the results!
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: calvinexpress on July 06, 2012, 09:59:13 PM
I am waiting for my test result from Cal Bar for the FYLSE, if I passed (which I feel pretty good about).  I go to Concord.  I recommend HIGHLY. 

jennid1234, if you find out that you failed the FYLSE, then we are all expecting you to do a follow up post and tell everybody how much you hated Concord and you don't recommend them. I heard they don't have video learning, and the students listen to audio only. How many classes do you take at one time the first year?
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jennid1234 on July 08, 2012, 07:41:59 PM
we do have video's.  I'm in 2L now and have videos for class again.  For the first year classes, Crim, Contracts and Torts we had good lecture videos and had to take notes to review for quizzes and essays, plus we had a legal writing class which had audio lectures.  We have live classes in which the professors asks us to be prepared for class with case briefs, in class we are presented with hypos on the material, the professor's ask questions about cases, ask us for rules the courts addressed, issues presented and conclusions.  We type our responses for all to see and was not intimidating if we made mistakes.  So all in all, I'd say 1L was a good experience, think I should have studied harder. In 2L we have 4 classes plus studying for the baby bar, some took the first 6 months off to just study for the baby bar, I didn't.  I'll know in Aug.  if I passed, if I didn't it will be because I was not prepared enough to pass.  Concord's course work provided was sufficient although many of the students also accessed outside materials to pass, even me.  I feel my essays were strong on the test, I was exhausted around 4 on the multiple choice, yet I'm still hoping I got at least 80 on that.  If I did, then I passed. If not, I'll study harder for the October test.  On another note about the live lecture classes, if your schedule does not permit you to attend Concord archives them so you can hear them when your time permits. 
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 08, 2012, 07:52:08 PM
The Taft method has a track record and works for those who do not need their hand held and have a high tolerance for pain.  Do not expect As from Taft but your grad epoint is irrelevant, your goal is to pass the bar.

Concord has all the bells and whistles and is part of the Washington Post Corp. It is expensive but has all the extras, it also has a track record.

I'd say choose Concord unless you already work in the court system or have an outstanding memeory, in which case I'd choose Taft and save some money.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: calvinexpress on July 08, 2012, 09:39:14 PM
I don't like Concord because they take multiple classes at once. I think it would be better to take one, or no more than two classes at a time. Concord doesn't have a video demo of the instructor teaching class like some of the other schools do. I also don't have the bachelors to get into Concord. I need like 7 more classes. So I might have to go to one of the other schools.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jack24 on July 09, 2012, 08:40:12 AM
I don't like Concord because they take multiple classes at once. I think it would be better to take one, or no more than two classes at a time. Concord doesn't have a video demo of the instructor teaching class like some of the other schools do. I also don't have the bachelors to get into Concord. I need like 7 more classes. So I might have to go to one of the other schools.

I'm genuinely curious about this.  Please tell me why you think it would be better to take one class at a time
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: calvinexpress on July 09, 2012, 05:44:35 PM

I'm genuinely curious about this.  Please tell me why you think it would be better to take one class at a time

Ask your mommy. I'm beginng to think there are a bunch of retards on this forum. I quit posting to this forum a while back and I am going to stop posting again. Too many uneducated people on here asking stupid common sense questions. I'm not responding to to stupid questions.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 09, 2012, 07:11:05 PM

I'm genuinely curious about this.  Please tell me why you think it would be better to take one class at a time

Ask your mommy. I'm beginng to think there are a bunch of retards on this forum. I quit posting to this forum a while back and I am going to stop posting again. Too many uneducated people on here asking stupid common sense questions. I'm not responding to to stupid questions.

Taking one class at a time allows a student to familiarize themselve with new concepts, very useful if you have no previous legal frame of reference. 

Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 09, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
I don't like Concord because they take multiple classes at once. I think it would be better to take one, or no more than two classes at a time. Concord doesn't have a video demo of the instructor teaching class like some of the other schools do. I also don't have the bachelors to get into Concord. I need like 7 more classes. So I might have to go to one of the other schools.

For someone who has not been to any law school you are a regular fountainhead of advice to others.  Maybe get your BA first, then if you fail the FYB at least you will have that to fall back on?
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: haus on July 09, 2012, 08:27:41 PM

I'm genuinely curious about this.  Please tell me why you think it would be better to take one class at a time

Ask your mommy. I'm beginng to think there are a bunch of retards on this forum. I quit posting to this forum a while back and I am going to stop posting again. Too many uneducated people on here asking stupid common sense questions. I'm not responding to to stupid questions.

Your a bit heavy on the attitude for a reasonable question.

When you opt to follow a path contrary to that used by well over 90% off all law schools in the country (likely 100% of ABA law schools) you cannot be exceedingly surprised when others wonder why your drawing outside of the lines.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: IrrX on July 09, 2012, 08:31:29 PM

I'm genuinely curious about this.  Please tell me why you think it would be better to take one class at a time

Ask your mommy. I'm beginng to think there are a bunch of retards on this forum. I quit posting to this forum a while back and I am going to stop posting again. Too many uneducated people on here asking stupid common sense questions. I'm not responding to to stupid questions.

Yeah. Not posting. That's a good idea.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: FalconJimmy on July 10, 2012, 06:06:01 AM
Taking one class at a time allows a student to familiarize themselve with new concepts, very useful if you have no previous legal frame of reference.

Well, yeah, but hey zeus marimba, how long do you want this process to take?  One class at a time?  3 classes a year?  It would take a decade to finish law school that way.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jack24 on July 10, 2012, 08:58:07 AM

I'm genuinely curious about this.  Please tell me why you think it would be better to take one class at a time

Ask your mommy. I'm beginng to think there are a bunch of retards on this forum. I quit posting to this forum a while back and I am going to stop posting again. Too many uneducated people on here asking stupid common sense questions. I'm not responding to to stupid questions.

I guess you may not read this, but I'll post it anyway.
The law is all interconnected.  I believe studying legal writing/research, contracts, property, and civ pro at the same time helps you to solidify concepts.  This is important because it can help you retain a portion of the massive amount of information you will be exposed to.   You can move at a decent pace, familiarize yourself with the law, and get some valuable context as well.   It's not as if you are studying literature and physics at the same time.  While contracts and property are different, most people study them in a similar way.
Additionally, some classes are interdependent.  Some people may want to take corporate taxation without waiting too long after federal taxation, media law soon after con law, criminal procedure soon after criminal law, etc.  A one-at-a-time approach makes this difficult.

I haven't been insulted on this forum in a long time.  I'm getting all nostalgic.


Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jennid1234 on July 10, 2012, 01:00:52 PM
I liked learning torts at the same time as criminal law, both have rule statements with similar elements and definitely prepared me for Civil Procedure and Criminal Procedure this year.  My contracts course last year prepared me for real property.  I just wish somehow they could have fit evidence in there too.  My constitutional law class is the most labor intensive, professor very intelligent on top of being very helpful.  But every one has different approaches to learning - and reasonable persons often do not agree.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 10, 2012, 07:19:20 PM
Taking one class at a time allows a student to familiarize themselve with new concepts, very useful if you have no previous legal frame of reference.

Well, yeah, but hey zeus marimba, how long do you want this process to take?  One class at a time?  3 classes a year?  It would take a decade to finish law school that way.

True and the student will likely have forgotten civil procedure, torts and contracts by the time they get their degree!
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 03, 2012, 03:10:45 PM
I'm thinking of attending online law school and I don't know what one to pick. I've interviewed most of all of them, and they each have their good and bad. Money is not an issue as I am willing to pay the extra money for the better education. ALU and Northwestern both teach one class at a time. Concord teaches four classes at at a time. I think one class at a time is better. Some of them also have online video learning that we can watch the instructor teach a live class, although I don't know what schools do this.

Can I get anybody's input that has attended these online colleges or others ones? I realize everybody has different learning styles amd works for you might not work for me, but I would like input anyways.

Help me decide. Thanks.

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Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: cooley3L on August 04, 2012, 11:13:55 AM
Concord is the only Regionally Accredited one. I'd factor that in. People tend to respect the Regional thing, especially if you ever need to get work in a non lawyer field. If not, at least get one DETC accredited. The non-accredited bar approved ones I'd say have almost no real value (almost no graduates practicing from them if you look into it, and huge fail rates-you get what you pay for) Above all else, don't fall for Novus or the other non bar approved BS ones.

Have you looked into the ABA schools that have lower admissions and longer plans? (cooley)?
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 04, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
Concord's regional accreditation through Kaplan is actually irrelevant to the law degree. Regional accreditation has to do with academics not law school accreditation through the ABA or a state bar.

"Concord is registered as a Distance Learning Law School with the Committee of Bar Examiners of the State Bar of California. Registration with the Committee permits Concord JD graduates, who meet the regulatory requirements, to apply for admission to the State Bar of California."

http://info.concordlawschool.edu/pages/accreditation.aspx

In other words Concord's law school has the same lack of accreditation as any other California DL school. 
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: cooley3L on August 05, 2012, 04:57:32 PM
Concord's regional accreditation through Kaplan is actually irrelevant to the law degree. Regional accreditation has to do with academics not law school accreditation through the ABA or a state bar.

"Concord is registered as a Distance Learning Law School with the Committee of Bar Examiners of the State Bar of California. Registration with the Committee permits Concord JD graduates, who meet the regulatory requirements, to apply for admission to the State Bar of California."

http://info.concordlawschool.edu/pages/accreditation.aspx

In other words Concord's law school has the same lack of accreditation as any other California DL school.
I was referring to employer respect for it. I believe it has a lot higher pass rates too though.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 05, 2012, 08:32:28 PM
†Concord Law School’s programs are designed to prepare graduates to pursue employment in their field of study, or in related fields. However, Concord does not guarantee that graduates will be placed in any particular job, eligible for job advancement opportunities, or employed at all.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/06/a-law-school-finally-admits-that-its-graduates-may-never-be-employed-at-all/

I give Concord points for being truthful.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: cooley3L on August 06, 2012, 06:00:59 PM
†Concord Law School’s programs are designed to prepare graduates to pursue employment in their field of study, or in related fields. However, Concord does not guarantee that graduates will be placed in any particular job, eligible for job advancement opportunities, or employed at all.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/06/a-law-school-finally-admits-that-its-graduates-may-never-be-employed-at-all/

I give Concord points for being truthful.

I think that all schools say that nowdays to avoid being sued. Even the ones that claim near 100% placement still say it on their radio ads.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jack24 on August 07, 2012, 08:52:36 AM
†Concord Law School’s programs are designed to prepare graduates to pursue employment in their field of study, or in related fields. However, Concord does not guarantee that graduates will be placed in any particular job, eligible for job advancement opportunities, or employed at all.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/06/a-law-school-finally-admits-that-its-graduates-may-never-be-employed-at-all/

I give Concord points for being truthful.


I think that all schools say that nowdays to avoid being sued. Even the ones that claim near 100% placement still say it on their radio ads.

Law schools have Radio Ads?   It makes me sad to think anyone chooses a lawyer based on radio ads, but choosing a law school based on a radio ad is ten times worse.

Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: cooley3L on August 09, 2012, 04:26:43 PM
†Concord Law School’s programs are designed to prepare graduates to pursue employment in their field of study, or in related fields. However, Concord does not guarantee that graduates will be placed in any particular job, eligible for job advancement opportunities, or employed at all.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/06/a-law-school-finally-admits-that-its-graduates-may-never-be-employed-at-all/

I give Concord points for being truthful.


I think that all schools say that nowdays to avoid being sued. Even the ones that claim near 100% placement still say it on their radio ads.

Law schools have Radio Ads?   It makes me sad to think anyone chooses a lawyer based on radio ads, but choosing a law school based on a radio ad is ten times worse.
Perhaps but I was talking about all schools in general (even trade schools) add that qualifier. The idea of "finally an honest law school" is just BS by the author of the article as a cheap tactic to get hits on their site. All schools do it.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: lawguy2b on September 02, 2012, 12:23:08 PM
I went to Concord for one year.  You must be very disciplined to attend Concord.  They have a low bar pass rate and not much better on the FYLSE.  I looked into Oakbrook School of Law and they have much better pass rates, plus cost a lot less.  I would suggest Oakbrook.  I graduated with my law degree and decided to not take the bar exam because I am 66 years old and really just wanted to see if I could graduate from law school, and if I missed a career I thought I wanted years ago.  It is not what it is cracked up to be.  I work as a paralegal in a small firm and have fulfilled my dream at a lower cost than Concord.  I am a retired college professor and like to learn, this was a course of study more than expected.  I spent 50 hours a week studying, outlining and memorizing.  But-always follow your dream.  At the age of 45 I graduated from college with a BS and AAS degree, a MBA, and all three degrees took me a total of 3 years, not suggested to anyone to subject themselves to that many classes a semester. I followed my dream and 20 years later I graduated from law school, and with a lot of student loan debt-LOL.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: cooley3L on September 02, 2012, 03:13:15 PM
I went to Concord for one year.  You must be very disciplined to attend Concord.  They have a low bar pass rate and not much better on the FYLSE.  I looked into Oakbrook School of Law and they have much better pass rates, plus cost a lot less.  I would suggest Oakbrook.  I graduated with my law degree and decided to not take the bar exam because I am 66 years old and really just wanted to see if I could graduate from law school, and if I missed a career I thought I wanted years ago.  It is not what it is cracked up to be.  I work as a paralegal in a small firm and have fulfilled my dream at a lower cost than Concord.  I am a retired college professor and like to learn, this was a course of study more than expected.  I spent 50 hours a week studying, outlining and memorizing.  But-always follow your dream.  At the age of 45 I graduated from college with a BS and AAS degree, a MBA, and all three degrees took me a total of 3 years, not suggested to anyone to subject themselves to that many classes a semester. I followed my dream and 20 years later I graduated from law school, and with a lot of student loan debt-LOL.
Did you just graduate or did you pass the CA bar too? Do you have an EJD or the regular JD?
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: ipscientific on October 09, 2012, 02:14:43 PM
I'm thinking of attending online law school and I don't know what one to pick. I've interviewed most of all of them, and they each have their good and bad. Money is not an issue as I am willing to pay the extra money for the better education. ALU and Northwestern both teach one class at a time. Concord teaches four classes at at a time. I think one class at a time is better. Some of them also have online video learning that we can watch the instructor teach a live class, although I don't know what schools do this.

Can I get anybody's input that has attended these online colleges or others ones? I realize everybody has different learning styles amd works for you might not work for me, but I would like input anyways.

Help me decide. Thanks.


I'm almost finished my 1st year at Taft. I'm taking Contracts, Criminal Law, Torts and Legal Writing. There is an assignment once a week for any one. It alternates. Almost all assignments have videos from Taft Instructors.

Law School is totally different then what I thought it would be. That's not a bad thing. There is a lot of reading and essay writing. No matter which school you choose, you are going to go over the same material and how well you do, depends on how you apply yourself. I believe Taft has the best baby bar and CA bar pass rate. Hope that this helps. If you have any questions, let me know.







Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: avarist on October 09, 2012, 08:23:03 PM
when do you plan to sit the fybx? Taken any pre-tests for it yet?
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: SoCalLawGuy on October 10, 2012, 10:54:59 PM
My friend is attending a DL school.  He attends classes live which may not be for everyone from a time commitment.  You may want consider that in your analysis.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: avarist on October 11, 2012, 07:24:49 PM
My friend is attending a DL school.  He attends classes live which may not be for everyone from a time commitment.  You may want consider that in your analysis.
How so?
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: SoCalLawGuy on October 15, 2012, 11:52:58 AM
He really finds benefit in attending the "classroom-style" classes, but they are scheduled for specific times in the evening so sometimes it takes a bit of juggling for him.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jaycube on October 25, 2012, 03:01:06 AM
can anyone list here what are the options you got to join online law school for your carrier.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: Julie Fern on October 25, 2012, 07:27:20 AM
no.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: legalpractitioner on October 25, 2012, 04:48:13 PM
Carrier [sic] options for most online law school students involve things like:

1.  Telephone salesperson after failing to pass the FYLSE.

2.  Insurance or WestLaw@ salesperson after failing to pass the Cal Bar.

3.  Solo practioner by default after passing the Cal Bar.
Title: Re: Help me pick an online law school
Post by: jennid1234 on December 14, 2012, 12:36:25 PM
I failed the June FYLSE, I didn't call anyone to complain at Concord.  Concord has a program called Concord First - which was really valuable and a lot of my classmates did pass on the first try.  I passed the FYLSE in OCTOBER, I did e-mail Professor Dodge to thank him for his assistance to all of us (2nd timers) in a Concord program called Second Time Sucess, guess some of us just needed a dry run.

What a great way to end the 2L year.  Took finals on Tuesday and Thursday - but on Wednesday when I checked the Ca Bar website my FYLSE requirement was satisfied!  Due to SNAIL mail I don't know my scores yeat and will post later