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Title: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: FutureLSStudent on May 08, 2012, 11:54:49 AM
I am starting Cooley in the fall in Ann Arbor, MI. My gpa in undergrad wasnt very strong and I didn't have a great LSAT score. Like many other students my goal is to attend Cooley for a year then transfer to another law school such as Michigan State or Wayne. I want to have the best chance of getting a job once Im finished and I know going to a better school will do that. I understand that it will not be easy and that I must have a great gpa and be in the top 10% of my class. I want to make sure I put myself in the best position to achieve this and I need to understand more about the transferring procees. If you are a successfull transfer student from Cooley or you have any advice for me please help  :)

1. How many classes should I take during the 1st yr? Full time (6 classes/15 credits a term, fall & winter) or Part time (5 classes/12 credits a term, yr around)? I don't want to overload myself but I want to make sure I have enought credits to transfer. From what I heard Cooley is rough....and I don't want to be naive about doing well.
2. Will I need a letter of recommendation from a faculty member/professor?
3. How likely is it that Mich State or Wayne accept transfer students from Cooley? What other schools should I consider?
4. Will transferring really be better for me in the long run or should I stick it out at Cooley?
5. Can I transfer after 2 yrs instead of after my 1st yr?
6. Anything else I should know or consider??  :-\
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 08, 2012, 12:26:02 PM
If you havn't started yet and plan to transfer don't go. Just raise your LSAT and (if possible) try to take a few extra classes that are blow off to raise your undergrad GPA. (If going to cooley I am guessing you don't have your full BA)

There are going to be people there who have a 160 LSAT and 4.0 undergad GPA who are attending just for the full ride. They will be the top 10% of your class. They won't want to transfer but will be the only ones other school truely want. The curve will make that happen.

If you can't stand Cooley don't go. If you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly dismissed. You just can't. Expect 5 years at Cooley if you go.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 08, 2012, 12:28:10 PM
If you are serious about this you need to contact the schools you plan to try to transfer to. They and only they can answer these questions properly for you.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 08, 2012, 09:41:35 PM
If you havn't started yet and plan to transfer don't go. Just raise your LSAT and (if possible) try to take a few extra classes that are blow off to raise your undergrad GPA. (If going to cooley I am guessing you don't have your full BA)

There are going to be people there who have a 160 LSAT and 4.0 undergad GPA who are attending just for the full ride. They will be the top 10% of your class. They won't want to transfer but will be the only ones other school truely want. The curve will make that happen.

If you can't stand Cooley don't go. If you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly dismissed. You just can't. Expect 5 years at Cooley if you go.

You act as if there's a perfect correlation between one's LSAT score and law school success. While it's true that the LSAT is a very dependable indicator of one's academic ability, it is far from perfect. For instance, when in law school have you ever been asked to perform the same task that is asked of test takers on LSAT logic games? Never, I suspect.

The LSAT is a gatekeeper, which is purposely designed to generate a bell-curved distribution of scores.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on May 09, 2012, 09:16:53 AM
Of course the LSAT isn't perfect, no test is. However, as you point out, the LSAT is a dependable predictor of academic aptitude (the exact thing it is designed to predict!). It stands to reason that in most cases a student with a high LSAT score will out perform those with lower scores. The LSAT is not supposed to approximate the law school experience, it just measures ability.

To the OP: don't go to ANY law school unless you are prepared to spend all three years there. Once you start you will quickly discover that law school, whether you're at Harvard or Cooley, is nothing like college. The competition is intense and it's  very difficult to predict how you will perform, especially if you're coming in with less-than-stellar numbers.

If you are prepared to spend all three years at Cooley anyway, that's a different story. Research the school's curve and contact the schools you'd like to transfer to. Most importantly, be realistic about your gals and options. If you start law school on day one expecting to be in the top 10% and transferring, you will likely be disappointed and frustrated. This is nothing against you personally, it's just the cold, hard reality of law school. My law school had a brutal curve that made it very difficult to transfer, and I suspect Cooley is the same.

Be realistic about all aspects of law school, not just transferring, be prepared, and be informed. If you do that you'll probably be alright.   
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 09, 2012, 09:44:01 AM
Of course the LSAT isn't perfect, no test is. However, as you point out, the LSAT is a dependable predictor of academic aptitude (the exact thing it is designed to predict!). It stands to reason that in most cases a student with a high LSAT score will out perform those with lower scores. The LSAT is not supposed to approximate the law school experience, it just measures ability.

You're right. But what I took issue with was Nova Juris saying, "if you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly [sic] dismissed." That statement is just plain ludicrous.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on May 09, 2012, 11:10:32 AM
I agree, it's a statement with no basis in reality. Many law schools have a median/average LSAT score below 160, and yet maintain low academic attrition.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 09, 2012, 12:17:47 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: kjw5029 on May 09, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 09, 2012, 07:05:07 PM
Of course the LSAT isn't perfect, no test is. However, as you point out, the LSAT is a dependable predictor of academic aptitude (the exact thing it is designed to predict!). It stands to reason that in most cases a student with a high LSAT score will out perform those with lower scores. The LSAT is not supposed to approximate the law school experience, it just measures ability.

You're right. But what I took issue with was Nova Juris saying, "if you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly [sic] dismissed." That statement is just plain ludicrous.

It's ludicrous to expect them to graduate, true. A third don't even make 2L. True.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 09, 2012, 07:07:07 PM
If you havn't started yet and plan to transfer don't go. Just raise your LSAT and (if possible) try to take a few extra classes that are blow off to raise your undergrad GPA. (If going to cooley I am guessing you don't have your full BA)

There are going to be people there who have a 160 LSAT and 4.0 undergad GPA who are attending just for the full ride. They will be the top 10% of your class. They won't want to transfer but will be the only ones other school truely want. The curve will make that happen.

If you can't stand Cooley don't go. If you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly dismissed. You just can't. Expect 5 years at Cooley if you go.

You act as if there's a perfect correlation between one's LSAT score and law school success. While it's true that the LSAT is a very dependable indicator of one's academic ability, it is far from perfect. For instance, when in law school have you ever been asked to perform the same task that is asked of test takers on LSAT logic games? Never, I suspect.

The LSAT is a gatekeeper, which is purposely designed to generate a bell-curved distribution of scores.

gatekeeper, based on curve..... what do you think the top 10% is based on? Low GPA and Low LSAT statisticly lower the odds of the curve helping you. Sorry if it hurts your feelings somehow. 90% of people think they can be the top 10%. Math doesn't allow it. Not that the bottom half know how to do that type of math mind you.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 09, 2012, 07:08:03 PM
I agree, it's a statement with no basis in reality. Many law schools have a median/average LSAT score below 160, and yet maintain low academic attrition.

but that wasn't the question was it? It was about transfering out. Seperate issues.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 09, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 09, 2012, 07:10:26 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: FutureLSStudent on May 09, 2012, 07:21:59 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 09, 2012, 07:47:54 PM
I agree, it's a statement with no basis in reality. Many law schools have a median/average LSAT score below 160, and yet maintain low academic attrition.

but that wasn't the question was it? It was about transfering out. Seperate issues.

You made it an issue when you stated that if the OP scored below 160 he wouldn't be able to handle a 15 credit-hour course load.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 09, 2012, 08:05:48 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?

Are you enjoying the anonymity of cyberspace, young Nova? Good. The world desperately needs more pricks. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: kjw5029 on May 09, 2012, 09:35:14 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?

They had a 3.0 and transferred to a tier 2.  I can't imagine why you'd need more information than that. 
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 11, 2012, 07:52:02 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 11, 2012, 07:53:04 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?

Are you enjoying the anonymity of cyberspace, young Nova? Good. The world desperately needs more pricks. Keep up the great work!

kettle meet stove
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 11, 2012, 07:53:49 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?

They had a 3.0 and transferred to a tier 2.  I can't imagine why you'd need more information than that.

to see which schools are taking cooley transfers in the bottom 40%.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: kjw5029 on May 12, 2012, 12:15:44 AM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?

They had a 3.0 and transferred to a tier 2.  I can't imagine why you'd need more information than that.

to see which schools are taking cooley transfers in the bottom 40%.

If you're transferring from Cooley yourself and you're in the top 40%, I'd be happy to give  you that information.  If you're not, again, I can't imagine why you would need more information than what I've already given (unless, of course, you are attempting to troll).
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 12, 2012, 01:04:05 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?

They had a 3.0 and transferred to a tier 2.  I can't imagine why you'd need more information than that.

to see which schools are taking cooley transfers in the bottom 40%.

If you're transferring from Cooley yourself and you're in the top 40%, I'd be happy to give  you that information.  If you're not, again, I can't imagine why you would need more information than what I've already given (unless, of course, you are attempting to troll).

When did I say I was doing it? Do you know how to read? I am saying it doesn't happen. I am calling you a lier. Moron.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: kjw5029 on May 12, 2012, 02:03:31 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?

They had a 3.0 and transferred to a tier 2.  I can't imagine why you'd need more information than that.

to see which schools are taking cooley transfers in the bottom 40%.

If you're transferring from Cooley yourself and you're in the top 40%, I'd be happy to give  you that information.  If you're not, again, I can't imagine why you would need more information than what I've already given (unless, of course, you are attempting to troll).

When did I say I was doing it? Do you know how to read? I am saying it doesn't happen. I am calling you a lier. Moron.

If you read my post I said, "If you're transferring from Cooley...."  I did not say you were.  Anyhow, time to move along troll.  You'll find no feeding from me. 
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 12, 2012, 02:25:13 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?

They had a 3.0 and transferred to a tier 2.  I can't imagine why you'd need more information than that.

to see which schools are taking cooley transfers in the bottom 40%.

If you're transferring from Cooley yourself and you're in the top 40%, I'd be happy to give  you that information.  If you're not, again, I can't imagine why you would need more information than what I've already given (unless, of course, you are attempting to troll).

When did I say I was doing it? Do you know how to read? I am saying it doesn't happen. I am calling you a lier. Moron.

If you read my post I said, "If you're transferring from Cooley...."  I did not say you were.  Anyhow, time to move along troll.  You'll find no feeding from me.

so you bothered to post an "if" to a scenario you knew was not plausible? Ok, who sounds like the "troll" now. The person posting that BS and lies about bottom half transfering out of cooley with no proof or ability to name a single school, or the person posting the cold hard reality? There you go winner.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:50:00 PM
If you havn't started yet and plan to transfer don't go. Just raise your LSAT and (if possible) try to take a few extra classes that are blow off to raise your undergrad GPA. (If going to cooley I am guessing you don't have your full BA)

There are going to be people there who have a 160 LSAT and 4.0 undergad GPA who are attending just for the full ride. They will be the top 10% of your class. They won't want to transfer but will be the only ones other school truely want. The curve will make that happen.

If you can't stand Cooley don't go. If you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly dismissed. You just can't. Expect 5 years at Cooley if you go.

it not work that way, dipshit.  apparently he already have ungrad degree, so it too late raise cugpa for law school admission purposes.

julie going be watching you.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:51:14 PM
Of course the LSAT isn't perfect, no test is. However, as you point out, the LSAT is a dependable predictor of academic aptitude (the exact thing it is designed to predict!). It stands to reason that in most cases a student with a high LSAT score will out perform those with lower scores. The LSAT is not supposed to approximate the law school experience, it just measures ability.

You're right. But what I took issue with was Nova Juris saying, "if you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly [sic] dismissed." That statement is just plain ludicrous.

yes.  nj numbnuts.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:52:08 PM
Of course the LSAT isn't perfect, no test is. However, as you point out, the LSAT is a dependable predictor of academic aptitude (the exact thing it is designed to predict!). It stands to reason that in most cases a student with a high LSAT score will out perform those with lower scores. The LSAT is not supposed to approximate the law school experience, it just measures ability.

You're right. But what I took issue with was Nova Juris saying, "if you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly [sic] dismissed." That statement is just plain ludicrous.

It's ludicrous to expect them to graduate, true. A third don't even make 2L. True.

prove it, frat boy.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
If you havn't started yet and plan to transfer don't go. Just raise your LSAT and (if possible) try to take a few extra classes that are blow off to raise your undergrad GPA. (If going to cooley I am guessing you don't have your full BA)

There are going to be people there who have a 160 LSAT and 4.0 undergad GPA who are attending just for the full ride. They will be the top 10% of your class. They won't want to transfer but will be the only ones other school truely want. The curve will make that happen.

If you can't stand Cooley don't go. If you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly dismissed. You just can't. Expect 5 years at Cooley if you go.

You act as if there's a perfect correlation between one's LSAT score and law school success. While it's true that the LSAT is a very dependable indicator of one's academic ability, it is far from perfect. For instance, when in law school have you ever been asked to perform the same task that is asked of test takers on LSAT logic games? Never, I suspect.

The LSAT is a gatekeeper, which is purposely designed to generate a bell-curved distribution of scores.

gatekeeper, based on curve..... what do you think the top 10% is based on? Low GPA and Low LSAT statisticly lower the odds of the curve helping you. Sorry if it hurts your feelings somehow. 90% of people think they can be the top 10%. Math doesn't allow it. Not that the bottom half know how to do that type of math mind you.

oh, so you believe in top 10% but not top 1%.

strange...
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

no thinking.  he teabagger!
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:54:48 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?

Are you enjoying the anonymity of cyberspace, young Nova? Good. The world desperately needs more pricks. Keep up the great work!

yes, he have bright future.  probably going have daddy get him into rotc, get to afghanistan in time for end of war and be fragged by own troops.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:55:56 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

way to nurture, dipshit!
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:56:43 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?

Are you enjoying the anonymity of cyberspace, young Nova? Good. The world desperately needs more pricks. Keep up the great work!

kettle meet stove

oh, so you admit you prick?
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:57:37 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?

They had a 3.0 and transferred to a tier 2.  I can't imagine why you'd need more information than that.

to see which schools are taking cooley transfers in the bottom 40%.

If you're transferring from Cooley yourself and you're in the top 40%, I'd be happy to give  you that information.  If you're not, again, I can't imagine why you would need more information than what I've already given (unless, of course, you are attempting to troll).

When did I say I was doing it? Do you know how to read? I am saying it doesn't happen. I am calling you a lier. Moron.

maybe, but he much better speller you.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:58:23 PM
Everybody is right so far, it seems.  I just thought I'd mention that you don't have to be in the top 10% to transfer per se.  I know plenty of people (even with those pedestrian gpas) who transferred from Cooley a couple years ago.  It really entirely depends on where you are applying and who else is applying to transfer to that school.  In fact, I know someone who transferred to a tier 2 from Cooley who was ranked in the top 40%.  Just something to keep in mind. 

That being said, waiting and getting a higher LSAT score is probably the best move.  Like everyone said, there is no guarantee when you're talking about transferring.  Random hits on your other questions next....

I took 12 units a semester instead of 15 when at Cooley.  I found it very manageable, especially compared to fellow students taking 15. 
You will likely need a letter from a professor.  I found it somewhat difficult to get one from a professor at Cooley (some wouldn't do it at all while others required you receive an A in their class).
I don't think you can reasonably expect to transfer after 2 yrs.  Most schools cap the amount of units you can transfer (usually around 30-34).  I guess it may be possible, but you'd be wasting 30 units you paid for.   

Definitely call schools you are considering and see what is generally required for an acceptance.  I think LSAC contains this information as well.

where did they transfer to and what was their cumulative gpa?

They had a 3.0 and transferred to a tier 2.  I can't imagine why you'd need more information than that.

to see which schools are taking cooley transfers in the bottom 40%.

If you're transferring from Cooley yourself and you're in the top 40%, I'd be happy to give  you that information.  If you're not, again, I can't imagine why you would need more information than what I've already given (unless, of course, you are attempting to troll).

When did I say I was doing it? Do you know how to read? I am saying it doesn't happen. I am calling you a lier. Moron.

If you read my post I said, "If you're transferring from Cooley...."  I did not say you were.  Anyhow, time to move along troll.  You'll find no feeding from me.

oh, julie happy feed him.  unfortunately for him, it going be rat poison.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 06:59:31 PM
you welcome.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 12, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?

Are you enjoying the anonymity of cyberspace, young Nova? Good. The world desperately needs more pricks. Keep up the great work!

kettle meet stove

I think what you mean to say is "kettle meet pot." The point of my question was that I doubt you're as equally bellicose in your face-to-face interactions as you are here. I've giving you the benefit of the doubt, but it's entirely possible that you're a prick all day, every day.

In case you are a prick of the perpetual sort, let me give you some advice. I know you've probably watched your fair share of television and likely equate arrogance with intelligence. But in the real world, you have to be incredibly brilliant for co-workers to put up with someone that comes across as condescending as you do on this forum. And judging from your apparent deficiency in grammar and spelling skills, I highly doubt your intelligence rises to any workable definition of brilliance. I've read two posts wherein you wrote "academicly" instead of "academically." A single instance could be written off as a simple mistake. But two separate instances is a clear indication that you really don't know how to spell the word. So if you think you're going to get any play out of this "holier than thou" attitude you exhibit on this forum in the "real" world, you're sorely mistaken. You might even get your teeth punched down your throat.

With that said, given your constant usage of a LSAT score of 160 as your baseline for judging someone's intellectual abilities, I surmise that you scored 160 or above on your LSAT. If you did that's wonderful. But it certainly doesn't give you license to sling insults at others. Play nice, dude.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: IrrX on May 13, 2012, 12:53:49 AM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

 :-X
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: kjw5029 on May 13, 2012, 02:15:54 AM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

Well I thought I would help you out by pointing out that you meant "advice" here (advise is a verb, idiot).  Seeing as you clearly consider yourself the next Einstein (and thus, understand the difference between verbs and nouns), you already knew that.  Good luck taking my order sir (with fries please). 
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 13, 2012, 07:10:58 AM
no, that "friez."
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 13, 2012, 07:11:25 AM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

 :-X

oh, come on.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 13, 2012, 06:16:23 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

way to nurture, dipshit!

says the longest running troll and source of useless posts. "hardest test ever",ect.  :P

Better to give them reality than the faux autism you post.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 13, 2012, 06:18:49 PM
Of course the LSAT isn't perfect, no test is. However, as you point out, the LSAT is a dependable predictor of academic aptitude (the exact thing it is designed to predict!). It stands to reason that in most cases a student with a high LSAT score will out perform those with lower scores. The LSAT is not supposed to approximate the law school experience, it just measures ability.

You're right. But what I took issue with was Nova Juris saying, "if you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly [sic] dismissed." That statement is just plain ludicrous.

It's ludicrous to expect them to graduate, true. A third don't even make 2L. True.

prove it, frat boy.
I don't have to the ABA already has. Look it up for yourself if you even are smart enought to know what an ABA is.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 13, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?

Are you enjoying the anonymity of cyberspace, young Nova? Good. The world desperately needs more pricks. Keep up the great work!

kettle meet stove

I think what you mean to say is "kettle meet pot." The point of my question was that I doubt you're as equally bellicose in your face-to-face interactions as you are here. I've giving you the benefit of the doubt, but it's entirely possible that you're a prick all day, every day.

In case you are a prick of the perpetual sort, let me give you some advice. I know you've probably watched your fair share of television and likely equate arrogance with intelligence. But in the real world, you have to be incredibly brilliant for co-workers to put up with someone that comes across as condescending as you do on this forum. And judging from your apparent deficiency in grammar and spelling skills, I highly doubt your intelligence rises to any workable definition of brilliance. I've read two posts wherein you wrote "academicly" instead of "academically." A single instance could be written off as a simple mistake. But two separate instances is a clear indication that you really don't know how to spell the word. So if you think you're going to get any play out of this "holier than thou" attitude you exhibit on this forum in the "real" world, you're sorely mistaken. You might even get your teeth punched down your throat.

With that said, given your constant usage of a LSAT score of 160 as your baseline for judging someone's intellectual abilities, I surmise that you scored 160 or above on your LSAT. If you did that's wonderful. But it certainly doesn't give you license to sling insults at others. Play nice, dude.

A. Proves you know nothing about what you consider the real world. Your closest thing it to is the tv show and whatever you were told by others. Everyone with a broken leg tries to shout swimming advice from the side of the pool.

B.  Someone act different online? Wha?????

C.  Nice use of bellicose first sentence to try to do a subtle "See I'm not a moron like you said" bit. Very subtle, very clever. You can close wordsearch now.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 13, 2012, 06:31:32 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

Well I thought I would help you out by pointing out that you meant "advice" here (advise is a verb, idiot).  Seeing as you clearly consider yourself the next Einstein (and thus, understand the difference between verbs and nouns), you already knew that.  Good luck taking my order sir (with fries please).

nope. never did, just someone speed typing and not giving an A' because guess what lsat didn't care, bar doesn't care, and for law papers due or reports where they do count.........I care enough to check. I also don't kiss hookers on the mouth, doesn't mean I don't know how, they just aren't worth it, and neither are you.

I don't have to be Einstein (who by the who was a physist not an English Major and got friggin D's in school and didn't even comb his hair half the time.......)  but anyone who can't get decent grades and lsat shouldn't go to lawschool. Never said I was smart, just trying to keep the scissors out of the hands of the helmet cases doing laps around the pool.

Caveat: Me no need be smart to say you need meet standard to do.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 13, 2012, 06:51:17 PM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?

Are you enjoying the anonymity of cyberspace, young Nova? Good. The world desperately needs more pricks. Keep up the great work!

kettle meet stove

I think what you mean to say is "kettle meet pot." The point of my question was that I doubt you're as equally bellicose in your face-to-face interactions as you are here. I've giving you the benefit of the doubt, but it's entirely possible that you're a prick all day, every day.

In case you are a prick of the perpetual sort, let me give you some advice. I know you've probably watched your fair share of television and likely equate arrogance with intelligence. But in the real world, you have to be incredibly brilliant for co-workers to put up with someone that comes across as condescending as you do on this forum. And judging from your apparent deficiency in grammar and spelling skills, I highly doubt your intelligence rises to any workable definition of brilliance. I've read two posts wherein you wrote "academicly" instead of "academically." A single instance could be written off as a simple mistake. But two separate instances is a clear indication that you really don't know how to spell the word. So if you think you're going to get any play out of this "holier than thou" attitude you exhibit on this forum in the "real" world, you're sorely mistaken. You might even get your teeth punched down your throat.

With that said, given your constant usage of a LSAT score of 160 as your baseline for judging someone's intellectual abilities, I surmise that you scored 160 or above on your LSAT. If you did that's wonderful. But it certainly doesn't give you license to sling insults at others. Play nice, dude.

A. Proves you know nothing about what you consider the real world. Your closest thing it to is the tv show and whatever you were told by others. Everyone with a broken leg tries to shout swimming advice from the side of the pool.

B.  Someone act different online? Wha?????

C.  Nice use of bellicose first sentence to try to do a subtle "See I'm not a moron like you said" bit. Very subtle, very clever. You can close wordsearch now.

The fact that you think 'bellicose' is some particularly elusive and extraordinary word is quite telling.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Nova Juris on May 13, 2012, 07:23:53 PM
what I am "telling" is that you think it is and used it as such due to your thoughts on it.

screw it, go back to sesame street. I hear cooley is opening a campus there soon too. Right after the one at Gitmo.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 13, 2012, 07:59:54 PM
what I am "telling" is that you think it is and used it as such due to your thoughts on it.

screw it, go back to sesame street. I hear cooley is opening a campus there soon too. Right after the one at Gitmo.

 :o
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: cerealkiller on May 14, 2012, 01:45:42 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

Well I thought I would help you out by pointing out that you meant "advice" here (advise is a verb, idiot).  Seeing as you clearly consider yourself the next Einstein (and thus, understand the difference between verbs and nouns), you already knew that.  Good luck taking my order sir (with fries please).

nope. never did, just someone speed typing and not giving an A' because guess what lsat didn't care, bar doesn't care, and for law papers due or reports where they do count.........I care enough to check. I also don't kiss hookers on the mouth, doesn't mean I don't know how, they just aren't worth it, and neither are you.

I don't have to be Einstein (who by the who was a physist not an English Major and got friggin D's in school and didn't even comb his hair half the time.......)  but anyone who can't get decent grades and lsat shouldn't go to lawschool. Never said I was smart, just trying to keep the scissors out of the hands of the helmet cases doing laps around the pool.

Caveat: Me no need be smart to say you need meet standard to do.

Prove it. I implore you to write a couple cogent and comprehensible paragraphs regarding a matter of law. If you think you're up to it, briefly discuss the theory of efficient breach, its policy rationale, and how efficient breach differs from opportunistic breach.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 15, 2012, 05:55:26 AM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

way to nurture, dipshit!

says the longest running troll and source of useless posts. "hardest test ever",ect.  :P

Better to give them reality than the faux autism you post.

julie hear squeaking of gnat?
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 15, 2012, 05:56:28 AM
Of course the LSAT isn't perfect, no test is. However, as you point out, the LSAT is a dependable predictor of academic aptitude (the exact thing it is designed to predict!). It stands to reason that in most cases a student with a high LSAT score will out perform those with lower scores. The LSAT is not supposed to approximate the law school experience, it just measures ability.

You're right. But what I took issue with was Nova Juris saying, "if you go, plan to graduate and plan to go part time since if your LSAT is under 160 you can't handle a 15 credit load and not be academicly [sic] dismissed." That statement is just plain ludicrous.

It's ludicrous to expect them to graduate, true. A third don't even make 2L. True.

prove it, frat boy.
I don't have to the ABA already has. Look it up for yourself if you even are smart enought to know what an ABA is.

so come on, einstein, give us data.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 15, 2012, 05:58:15 AM
FutureLSStudent, if you're goal is to finish your law degree at a school other than Cooley then you'd probably be better off foregoing school in the fall and retake the LSAT in an attempt to score into the school of your choice.

As Roald pointed out, finishing in the top 10% is unlikely. In fact, you have a 90% chance of not finishing in the top 10%. The odds are stacked precariously against you. And in many ways, how well you do your first year is largely out of your control. The forced curve is brutal. Professors try to grade objectively (one can hope), but complete objectivity is impossible given the subjective nature of legal analysis. It's not as though every question has a clear right or wrong answer; there are many shades of gray in the law. A professor, for example, might mark you down because you chose to flesh out an argument that he thought was of little importance, even though reasonable minds could disagree as to its legal relevance.   

If you move forward with your current plan, you're placing your fate mostly in the hands of your professors and fellow students. Law school is fiercely competitive. It's unlike college in almost every imaginable way. You could conceivably spend 18 hours a day in the library and still end up with a pedestrian gpa that's well outside of the top 10%.

In my humble opinion, you'd be better off devoting the time and energy that you ostensibly plan to exert in your studies this fall to retaking (and mastering) the LSAT.

so now you agree with me. Awsome. Buzz must have faded?

Are you enjoying the anonymity of cyberspace, young Nova? Good. The world desperately needs more pricks. Keep up the great work!

kettle meet stove

I think what you mean to say is "kettle meet pot." The point of my question was that I doubt you're as equally bellicose in your face-to-face interactions as you are here. I've giving you the benefit of the doubt, but it's entirely possible that you're a prick all day, every day.

In case you are a prick of the perpetual sort, let me give you some advice. I know you've probably watched your fair share of television and likely equate arrogance with intelligence. But in the real world, you have to be incredibly brilliant for co-workers to put up with someone that comes across as condescending as you do on this forum. And judging from your apparent deficiency in grammar and spelling skills, I highly doubt your intelligence rises to any workable definition of brilliance. I've read two posts wherein you wrote "academicly" instead of "academically." A single instance could be written off as a simple mistake. But two separate instances is a clear indication that you really don't know how to spell the word. So if you think you're going to get any play out of this "holier than thou" attitude you exhibit on this forum in the "real" world, you're sorely mistaken. You might even get your teeth punched down your throat.

With that said, given your constant usage of a LSAT score of 160 as your baseline for judging someone's intellectual abilities, I surmise that you scored 160 or above on your LSAT. If you did that's wonderful. But it certainly doesn't give you license to sling insults at others. Play nice, dude.

A. Proves you know nothing about what you consider the real world. Your closest thing it to is the tv show and whatever you were told by others. Everyone with a broken leg tries to shout swimming advice from the side of the pool.

B.  Someone act different online? Wha?????

C.  Nice use of bellicose first sentence to try to do a subtle "See I'm not a moron like you said" bit. Very subtle, very clever. You can close wordsearch now.

julie with you, baby:  julie figure you just as big a-hole in real life as here.

congratulations.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 15, 2012, 06:00:00 AM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

Well I thought I would help you out by pointing out that you meant "advice" here (advise is a verb, idiot).  Seeing as you clearly consider yourself the next Einstein (and thus, understand the difference between verbs and nouns), you already knew that.  Good luck taking my order sir (with fries please).

nope. never did, just someone speed typing and not giving an A' because guess what lsat didn't care, bar doesn't care, and for law papers due or reports where they do count.........I care enough to check. I also don't kiss hookers on the mouth, doesn't mean I don't know how, they just aren't worth it, and neither are you.

I don't have to be Einstein (who by the who was a physist not an English Major and got friggin D's in school and didn't even comb his hair half the time.......)  but anyone who can't get decent grades and lsat shouldn't go to lawschool. Never said I was smart, just trying to keep the scissors out of the hands of the helmet cases doing laps around the pool.

Caveat: Me no need be smart to say you need meet standard to do.

so, let's review:  you kiss hookers somewhere other on mouth, you gots ds in school, and not comb hair.

julie not surprised.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 15, 2012, 06:01:37 AM
what I am "telling" is that you think it is and used it as such due to your thoughts on it.

screw it, go back to sesame street. I hear cooley is opening a campus there soon too. Right after the one at Gitmo.

oh my.  if figure he saving "colley bomb" for big finish.

that usually sign advanced stages degenerative vd.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 15, 2012, 06:03:41 AM
Thanks everyone for your advice. You have given me a lot to think about. I agree that I shouldn't go to Cooley if I expect to transfer. The odds are stacked against me and I should be ok with spending the next 3 years there if I have to. I know people who do go their now and do like it. I also have heard some good things regardless of its reputation. I think I can be ok with getting my law degree there, and Ill probably go part time.

I guess I am leaning toward the unlikely idea of being able to transfer because I don't want to wait and take the lsat again: mostly because I don't want to have to start paying back my student loans from undergrad since I won't be enrolled in school (btw...I did get my BA, Nova Juris :P).

I need to be realistic about this decision and I will continue to do my research, including contacting specific schools about their transfer process. Basically its not impossible to transfer but just really really hard. This was very helpful and Im going to consider alot of things before I make a decision. THANKS

For future reference: Nova Juris, there is way to be helpful in a respectful way. You are really condescending. Just something to think about.

wow, the person who barely passed undergrad and can't master the lsat with cooley as their best option giving me life advise. Thanks. That's swell.

Well I thought I would help you out by pointing out that you meant "advice" here (advise is a verb, idiot).  Seeing as you clearly consider yourself the next Einstein (and thus, understand the difference between verbs and nouns), you already knew that.  Good luck taking my order sir (with fries please).

nope. never did, just someone speed typing and not giving an A' because guess what lsat didn't care, bar doesn't care, and for law papers due or reports where they do count.........I care enough to check. I also don't kiss hookers on the mouth, doesn't mean I don't know how, they just aren't worth it, and neither are you.

I don't have to be Einstein (who by the who was a physist not an English Major and got friggin D's in school and didn't even comb his hair half the time.......)  but anyone who can't get decent grades and lsat shouldn't go to lawschool. Never said I was smart, just trying to keep the scissors out of the hands of the helmet cases doing laps around the pool.

Caveat: Me no need be smart to say you need meet standard to do.

Prove it. I implore you to write a couple cogent and comprehensible paragraphs regarding a matter of law. If you think you're up to it, briefly discuss the theory of efficient breach, its policy rationale, and how efficient breach differs from opportunistic breach.

wow.  we not usually see lot homework on lsd.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 15, 2012, 06:04:49 AM
transferring board never see so much hot insult action.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: fortook on May 26, 2012, 01:19:40 PM
Fine line between love and hate.  Love always underneath. I love brave squirrels, for example.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 26, 2012, 01:55:03 PM
yes, especially with barbeque sauce.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: fortook on May 26, 2012, 02:07:26 PM
Indeed. Make sure to kill the toxoplasmosis.
Title: Re: Process of Transferring From COOLEY
Post by: Julie Fern on May 28, 2012, 03:57:42 PM
better kill squirrel first.