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Title: The 99% myth
Post by: sollicitus on April 26, 2012, 04:35:48 PM
http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20120426/OPINION01/204260379/1014/rss03

Most Americans pay either no taxes at all (or virtually none) many get MORE back then they pay in.

So knowing that, how does the 99% BS make any sense at all?

Lawyers and Doctors pay taxes. Most those bellyaching about life and being pumped up about it get paid by uncle sam a profit each year and are just too dumb to realize it.

People want a job? I can feel that.

People crying that the "rich" ($100,000 a year is "rich" in their minds even with $100K in loans and business debts) not paying enough taxes but then getting paid a profit each year for just not being dead?.........There is a reason why only 3% of Americans get a PhD and less that a third even a BA (they are morons). Yet those morons vote.........can't do math to save their god damn lives, but they vote (by asbentee so they can stay on the couch, but they still do it)
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: FossilJ on April 26, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
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Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: sollicitus on April 26, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
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cute dogs, doesn't change the facts though.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: FossilJ on April 26, 2012, 04:39:14 PM
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Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: IrrX on April 26, 2012, 04:40:58 PM
Puppied, bitches.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: sollicitus on April 26, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
Puppied, bitches.

yeah, cute dogs. Doesn't change the facts though.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on April 27, 2012, 11:05:39 AM
top 1% lots higher than $100k.    and try read some history.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: sollicitus on April 27, 2012, 12:29:37 PM
top 1% lots higher than $100k.    and try read some history.

not that much higher, and that wasn't the point.

Point was the 99% myth. When nearly half don't pay ANY income tax at all, the theory that they are some how being overtaxed compared to the rich is just plain stupid. In reality it is the upper half (including anyone who actually graduates on this forum) who pay for them for the rest of their lives.

The 99% is a myth. I have met countless minimum wage workers who cry about how (their words) "I pay more in taxes than Bill Gates"........(f'n morons). Not only is that clearly not true dollar for dollar, it's not even true in a percent. They get back MORE than they pay in. They make a PROFIT!

Yet when less than a third of Americans get a college degree (at all) it dosn't exactly amaze me how they can't add to 1.

I'll bite on the History part. What's your point? Reperations?
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on April 27, 2012, 04:45:48 PM
look at history of whether our government worries more about rich people or poor people.  reparations not even relevant in julie's view, but since you mention it:   it corporations got protected first as "persons" under fourteenth amendment, not former slaves supposed be helped.

more recently,  it banks got bailed out, not average people.  rest of us be expected "suffer consequences" our misjudgment. 

yes, damn the friggin' government all to socialist hell, our government dare have nerve have progressive income tax rates.  and yes, some people pay no tax at all.  and yet, many peoplenot rich by any stratech of imagination pay plenty of tax--porportionately way more than those who can hire lawyers to hide their income in caymans.  and corporate welfare not even address that problem.

that even before we start talking about whose interests being particularly served in places like vietnam, iraq, or  afghanistan.  your average bakery owner not one trying do business there.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Opie58 on April 28, 2012, 07:43:19 AM
look at history of whether our government worries more about rich people or poor people.  reparations not even relevant in julie's view, but since you mention it:   it corporations got protected first as "persons" under fourteenth amendment, not former slaves supposed be helped.

more recently,  it banks got bailed out, not average people.  rest of us be expected "suffer consequences" our misjudgment. 

yes, damn the friggin' government all to socialist hell, our government dare have nerve have progressive income tax rates.  and yes, some people pay no tax at all.  and yet, many peoplenot rich by any stratech of imagination pay plenty of tax--porportionately way more than those who can hire lawyers to hide their income in caymans.  and corporate welfare not even address that problem.

that even before we start talking about whose interests being particularly served in places like vietnam, iraq, or  afghanistan.  your average bakery owner not one trying do business there.

So, who writes the Tax Code???   Congress!!!  How many in Congress are "rich" & benefit from the Tax Code (loopholes) they write??? 

Who offered the bailouts???  Congress!!!!   How many in Congress have interests in those Corporations & Banks, you demonize, & benefit from the bailouts???  So, really, who are the true culprits???

How many of the tax credits/deductions did you take, when you could opt to not take any??  Also, how much did you pay in addition to the Bureau of Public Debt to reduce the debt, or give extra to the Government via the IRS??  Did you take a refund, or did you opt to let it apply (rollover) to the next tax year essentially giving the Government an interest free loan??  If you paid, maybe you have a gripe, but if you took a refund by using the credits & reduction offered in our Congressional-written Tax Code, quite bitching about everyone, rich or poor, who does what you do & take it to Congress - the authors of the Tax Code.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on April 28, 2012, 04:41:05 PM
julie has read constitution, thank you.  congress give legislative blowjobs rich because, as dillinger say, that where money is.  julie never say no member sof congress part of 1% or their sycophants.

that not absolve 1%, just describe their tactics.

rich fleecing rest of us as can, whether legally or not.  at some of us not flacking for them.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Nova Juris on April 29, 2012, 08:42:29 AM
Govt stimulus checks
Welfare checks (craddle to grave)
Food stamps
Unemployment
Bankruptcy
No taxes for most of poor
etc


There you go. Bailed out.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: winchester buttre on April 29, 2012, 11:21:19 AM
http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20120426/OPINION01/204260379/1014/rss03

Most Americans pay either no taxes at all (or virtually none) many get MORE back then they pay in.

So knowing that, how does the 99% BS make any sense at all?

Lawyers and Doctors pay taxes. Most those bellyaching about life and being pumped up about it get paid by uncle sam a profit each year and are just too dumb to realize it.

People want a job? I can feel that.

People crying that the "rich" ($100,000 a year is "rich" in their minds even with $100K in loans and business debts) not paying enough taxes but then getting paid a profit each year for just not being dead?.........There is a reason why only 3% of Americans get a PhD and less that a third even a BA (they are morons). Yet those morons vote.........can't do math to save their god damn lives, but they vote (by asbentee so they can stay on the couch, but they still do it)

This is about assigning blame.  If the government wants to raise taxes on those who make over $300,000 so be it.  That might help us get out of debt with China but that 1% fixation is ridiculous. 
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Opie58 on April 29, 2012, 04:35:19 PM
But Congress doesn't, and why??  Because they are part of the 1% group with their special benefit packages & ability to cash in on the same loopholes everyone bitches about.  Also, again, they would have to look at how the budget & spend our tax dollars, & do something about the earmarks & waste, but they're NOT about to do that.  So, once again, it circles back to Congress & their lack of proper fiscal spending & budgeting.  It's Congress, not corporations or banks, who are the real culprits.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: IrrX on April 29, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
By blaming Congress, but not corporations and banks, you're saying that it's alright to bribe someone, but not to take a bribe. It's a two-way street.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on April 30, 2012, 03:31:50 PM
Govt stimulus checks
Welfare checks (craddle to grave)
Food stamps
Unemployment
Bankruptcy
No taxes for most of poor
etc


There you go. Bailed out.

julie suspect you like sit around country club with bitsy, lisbeth, and lindsay discussing your trust funds.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on April 30, 2012, 03:34:10 PM
But Congress doesn't, and why??  Because they are part of the 1% group with their special benefit packages & ability to cash in on the same loopholes everyone bitches about.  Also, again, they would have to look at how the budget & spend our tax dollars, & do something about the earmarks & waste, but they're NOT about to do that.  So, once again, it circles back to Congress & their lack of proper fiscal spending & budgeting.  It's Congress, not corporations or banks, who are the real culprits.

exactly who you think propping up those politicians?  it not unemployed, that for sure.  (unless, of course, they distracted by bull social issues like how abortions and gays flaunting bible.)
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Nova Juris on May 01, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
Govt stimulus checks
Welfare checks (craddle to grave)
Food stamps
Unemployment
Bankruptcy
No taxes for most of poor
etc


There you go. Bailed out.

julie suspect you like sit around country club with bitsy, lisbeth, and lindsay discussing your trust funds.

If the devil quotes scripture it is still scripture.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 02, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Did the OP call two thirds of the population morons?  This guy?  Seriously? 

This guy calling anyone else a moron is the most horrifying case of calling the kettle black I have ever seen- including the Newt.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 03, 2012, 04:31:36 AM
Govt stimulus checks
Welfare checks (craddle to grave)
Food stamps
Unemployment
Bankruptcy
No taxes for most of poor
etc


There you go. Bailed out.

julie suspect you like sit around country club with bitsy, lisbeth, and lindsay discussing your trust funds.

If the devil quotes scripture it is still scripture.

only if one gives two shits about devil or scripture.

julie's best to bitsy.  you two can mock the unwashed over cocktails down at the 19th hole.  yummy!
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 03, 2012, 04:33:07 AM
Did the OP call two thirds of the population morons?  This guy?  Seriously? 

This guy calling anyone else a moron is the most horrifying case of calling the kettle black I have ever seen- including the Newt.

like newt, now he gone.  probably to divorce  cancer-stricken wife.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 04, 2012, 07:57:51 AM
The Newt will never be completely gone- political herpes.  I just hope we don't get any more breakouts- its such a turn off.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 04, 2012, 12:34:50 PM
better alert blueidiot.  tell it buy strongest possible mouthwash.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 04, 2012, 02:53:34 PM
Oh Blue, say it aint so. Not with the Newt. I know he has a nice ass, but.....
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 04, 2012, 04:55:59 PM
that what it doing right now.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 04, 2012, 07:30:19 PM
Even with the risk oh herpes- lucky guy.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 05, 2012, 03:09:36 PM
it goat julie worried about.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 06, 2012, 09:09:13 AM
Yeah, I like his goat too.  Its a tough goat though.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 06, 2012, 11:47:30 AM
just be sure get your shots.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 06, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
Oh its not my first goat.  I know what to do. There is room for one more if you want.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 06, 2012, 05:11:31 PM
julie just wait for your book, breeding goats:  a tale of two eight  titties.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 06, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
The movie will be out in the fall and it will be awesome.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 07, 2012, 02:59:24 PM
role of goat best played by ted nugent.  role of blueidiot best played by any trash can.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 08, 2012, 09:45:15 AM
Ha the visual almost as good as the movie.  The Neug. a good goat.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 08, 2012, 02:50:53 PM
and he have goatee, so it typecasting.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 08, 2012, 02:58:16 PM
and hes beautiful. Fits the part too well.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 08, 2012, 06:13:22 PM
we seem have strayed from original topic.

still, teddy probably part of 1%.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 08, 2012, 07:14:32 PM
Is Blue?  That's the question. And the topic is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 09, 2012, 05:13:07 AM
no, blueidiot just republican wannabe.  but they believe lawnmowers socialist.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 09, 2012, 08:37:11 AM
Lawnmowers do cut down all fairly. Only robber barons are bushes.  Then need the power of a Teddy weed wacker.   
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 09, 2012, 06:01:18 PM
deep.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 11, 2012, 09:12:14 AM
Into the Neug? If only.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 11, 2012, 11:30:40 AM
julie not believe 99% what he have say.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 11, 2012, 12:46:55 PM
Just love %99.  No love is %100.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Nova Juris on May 11, 2012, 07:01:06 PM

No Bailouts for the poor huh? Sounds like something I heard before......

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-3-2009/moment-of-zen---craig-t--nelson-on-glenn-beck
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 07:27:25 AM

No Bailouts for the poor huh? Sounds like something I heard before......

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-3-2009/moment-of-zen---craig-t--nelson-on-glenn-beck

wow--you stop watching golf on tv long enough learn poor actually get food stamps and welfare?

that change everything!



putz.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Nova Juris on May 12, 2012, 12:02:55 PM

No Bailouts for the poor huh? Sounds like something I heard before......

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-3-2009/moment-of-zen---craig-t--nelson-on-glenn-beck

wow--you stop watching golf on tv long enough learn poor actually get food stamps and welfare?

that change everything!



putz.

proves bailouts. Period. (also bankruptcy and refunds for people don't even pay anything in, stimulus packages,etc)
Bailout for poor everyday. Anyone who says otherwise is worthy of a "moment of zen".
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 12, 2012, 01:25:04 PM
Is that a link to The Daily Show with Jon Stewart referencing Craig T Nelson on Glen Beck?  Who are you behind? The joker or the fools?


Is Glen Beck God?
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Nova Juris on May 12, 2012, 01:30:50 PM
Is that a link to The Daily Show with Jon Stewart referencing Craig T Nelson on Glen Beck?  Who are you behind? The joker or the fools?


Is Glen Beck God?

Jon Steward tend to lean Demorat and even he says Nelsons comments were retarded and contradicted themselves (he uses the clip again on latter show as well)
I am useing it as example to show how obvious the BS of "no bailout for the poor" is.
Poor get bailed out every day. Average Joes too.

Would the world be better without banks to give loans that people need or without the Autoplants that employ them?

Sounds like that would hurt the poor more. The bonuses and trips they did with the funds were still BS I admit, but the idea of "no bailouts for the rest of us" is just a 100% idiot lie equal to the one of the rich somehow paying "less" taxes than everyone else which is also a 100% idiot lie since 40% don't pay at all taxes on get more back at years end than they paid in, and the 15% tax bracket is for investments.

There is no 99%. Never has been, never will.

Don't be so polarized. Of course there are idiots on both sides of the isle. Dosn't alter cold hard facts.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 12, 2012, 02:02:17 PM
Just a guess- you vote republican. 

Numbers don't lie you can't deny the math, solicitus.  There is no debate over whether the %1 exists, just what should be done.  Like global warming, there is no debate over whether is is happening or not- its quantifiable- you cannot deny the math.  The debate lies with why is it happening.

As to the amazingly cold hearted lack of empathy or the frighting inability to see anything for someone else's perspective, well we can leave that for later.

Ficken thoughtless "value" based thinking.  Please use what's tangible, i.e. math, not whether you think the corporate spending is bad?  Its just bad, mmmkay.  What some single fool did for lunch one day has nothing, nothing at all to do with a macro issue like this.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Nova Juris on May 12, 2012, 04:42:26 PM
Global warming has nothing to do with this. Of course there is global warming, wtf are you talking about.

How is a percentage an opinion. Is it your opinion that cooley has a 100% employment rate withing 1 year at top firms?
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Nova Juris on May 12, 2012, 04:48:37 PM
Just a guess- you vote republican. 

Numbers don't lie you can't deny the math, solicitus.  There is no debate over whether the %1 exists, just what should be done.  Like global warming, there is no debate over whether is is happening or not- its quantifiable- you cannot deny the math.  The debate lies with why is it happening.

As to the amazingly cold hearted lack of empathy or the frighting inability to see anything for someone else's perspective, well we can leave that for later.

Ficken thoughtless "value" based thinking.  Please use what's tangible, i.e. math, not whether you think the corporate spending is bad?  Its just bad, mmmkay.  What some single fool did for lunch one day has nothing, nothing at all to do with a macro issue like this.

how is there any values in it? If anything you are trying to project your values into it. You refuse to see the numbers due to what you want to see hear and feel. You always tell others not to think based on feelings but that is all you seem able to do based on your values.

What is happening today, correct, all the food stamps and welfare and not paying taxes still going on this very moment, and the next, and the next.....

sorry to confuse you with more than one idea at a time, some people choke when they are given more than they can chew.

Tell me, if you can, how there is no bailouts for the poor? How them not paying taxes (or virtually none for the ones that do) and getting free money, free rent, free food, free medical, bankruptcy, and stimulus checks, unemployment extensions, etc does not add up to bailout?

You want to use your emotions and values, but try not to. Try to explain how it is not a bailout? You can't.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 05:40:20 PM

No Bailouts for the poor huh? Sounds like something I heard before......

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-3-2009/moment-of-zen---craig-t--nelson-on-glenn-beck

wow--you stop watching golf on tv long enough learn poor actually get food stamps and welfare?

that change everything!



putz.

proves bailouts. Period. (also bankruptcy and refunds for people don't even pay anything in, stimulus packages,etc)
Bailout for poor everyday. Anyone who says otherwise is worthy of a "moment of zen".

alert media!  alert media!  you truly just figured out that some policies subsidize certain groups?  like, um...public eduucation?  or highways?  or that college you pretend have attended?

what you missing, asswipe, is that subsidies of poor--not all subsidies for poor, by long shot--inherently reflect failure of capitalism, for whatever reason;  these people just not making it in system (perhaps because diseased or, say, only two years old).   what these damn people thinking, anyway?

now let's suppose someone from lower of middle economic class work for business or have own business that go belly up.  your republican masters going bail them out like bailed out wall street under gump and, to lesser extent, obama?   yeah, right.

you should think about taking high school civics course.  might do you some good.

p.s.  give julie's best other rich kids down at country club, eh?
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 12, 2012, 05:42:51 PM
Is that a link to The Daily Show with Jon Stewart referencing Craig T Nelson on Glen Beck?  Who are you behind? The joker or the fools?


Is Glen Beck God?

Jon Steward tend to lean Demorat and even he says Nelsons comments were retarded and contradicted themselves (he uses the clip again on latter show as well)
I am useing it as example to show how obvious the BS of "no bailout for the poor" is.
Poor get bailed out every day. Average Joes too.

Would the world be better without banks to give loans that people need or without the Autoplants that employ them?

Sounds like that would hurt the poor more. The bonuses and trips they did with the funds were still BS I admit, but the idea of "no bailouts for the rest of us" is just a 100% idiot lie equal to the one of the rich somehow paying "less" taxes than everyone else which is also a 100% idiot lie since 40% don't pay at all taxes on get more back at years end than they paid in, and the 15% tax bracket is for investments.

There is no 99%. Never has been, never will.

Don't be so polarized. Of course there are idiots on both sides of the isle. Dosn't alter cold hard facts.

of course there 99%, just as there 78%, 45%, and 23%.  popint is what signficancve attach any percentile of income or wealth.

julie can see talking about richest of rich make you very nervous.  good!

better sleep one eye open, pardner.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 12, 2012, 06:34:26 PM
solicitus you brave squirrel, you have a problem with analogies. You are arguing against the facts (math) based on a value- people should work for what they get and not be given anything or not waste "free" tax payer money.  Global warming arguments and fallacies just have the same logic pattern- that's all.

Saying the math is wrong- bold, aggressive and totally stupid.  The math says %99 of the population make less than 500k- are you saying otherwise? Wait, you use a value- people should only work for what they get, free handouts are bad. = the poor getting free handouts = the %1 are better because they work. As saying global warming is not happening- arguing against the math.

You always confuse me with your fancy learnin and stuff.  If you were a prophet, I'd join your cult, shave my body and worship you all day long with all the depth of my being.  You are the prophet of squirrels.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 13, 2012, 06:00:07 AM
oh, so nj just that dumabass "sollicitus"?  well, if so, at least that one fewer dingbat in world.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 13, 2012, 07:57:31 AM
S/he changes his/her strat every time s/he changes his/her name.  But, the underlying foundational douceyness is still there.  The cycle will continue.

All hail the Squirrel Prophet.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 13, 2012, 12:46:01 PM
"strat"?
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 13, 2012, 12:53:02 PM
strategy, silly goose.

Also a word for edible panties. 
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 13, 2012, 04:18:27 PM
not turn out be much of abbreviation this time, eh?
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Nova Juris on May 13, 2012, 05:04:20 PM
so when you don't want to give an answer on something you dance around it. Sounds about right.

All other BS aside, you still don't think there are bailouts for the poor huh?
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: fortook on May 13, 2012, 08:40:03 PM
Dancing? or elaborating a point with a similar situation or pattern.  You and analogies are not the best of friends.

To answer the question: do the poor get bailouts? A bunch of things need to get defined- what is a bailout?  Big money or small money?  Why give a bailout? To save one person's life or save a company from going bankrupt?  Who gets bailouts, after its defined?  Companies? Individuals?

I see where you are trying to go with welfare = a 200 billion dollar corporate bailout thing, but you jump so fast into it that no clear thought pattern is made.

Do the poor get bailouts?  Well by my definition, no- they're poor dude, its a mercy not a macro economics business decision.  Once more, the only people affected directly economically by the poor soul that gets food stamps is the poor soul who gets food stamps.  The micro versus the macro makes all the difference in this case.

Now add up all the poor into a macro- next step.  Still no good because its a system that we as a society run at a loss for purposes of mercy.  The "bailouts" you mentioned were strategic. Designed to prevent companies from collapsing, crushing macro economies- self preservation, not mercy.

By your definition or insinuation (I can't tell which you are trying to do) Haiti got bailed out- how many 10s of thousands died? Can't bail that out.  All you can do is try to help someone dying in the sand.
Title: Re: The 99% myth
Post by: Julie Fern on May 14, 2012, 09:03:48 AM
so when you don't want to give an answer on something you dance around it. Sounds about right.

All other BS aside, you still don't think there are bailouts for the poor huh?

if they truly bailed out, why they still poor?