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Title: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: susanblaw on January 05, 2012, 08:17:52 AM
hello!

I graduated from KY who was in the process of getting ABA approved. Is there any state that will allow me to take the bar exam in their state? i tried California but they said the non aba school had to be from their own state.

please help me..even if i have to take the baby bar i will do it in any state. i spent so much money for 3 years i would hate for it to go waste.

extremely lostt
Title: Re: is there any states that will allow you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: FalconJimmy on January 05, 2012, 08:41:07 AM
i spent so much money for 3 years i would hate for it to go waste.

First, not to kick you while you're down, but you're only thinking about this, now?

I feel bad that you got suckered into the "We're pursuing accreditation" scam.  In all seriousness, most schools that say "we're pursuing accreditation" are not actually pursuing anything.  What "pursuing accreditation" means is "not accredited".  Nothing more.  Nothing less.  It's just that "pursuing accreditation" sounds so much better than, "we can't meet basic minimal standards".  They know darned well that when they say they're "pursuing accreditation" that hopeful students think, "Oh, so they'll probably be accredited before I graduate".  Trouble is, generally, they aren't really trying that hard to pursue accreditation.  It's not like accreditation standards are secret.  They know if they meet them or not.  However, once in a while, they re-submit an application and are rejected and that allows them to maintain the illusion of trying.

At this point, I don't mean to be harsh, but your degree, as a credential in the law, doesn't appear to be of any value at all.  I can only hope that the things you learned while getting that degree are worth it.  It may be valuable to you if you pursue non-law related work.  You can, truthfully, claim that you hold a JD.  Lots of folks in all walks of life work in various fields with a JD and they are not attorneys.  So, you have a somewhat impressive graduate degree that you can put on a resume. 

If you are intent on practicing the law, one option is to live in one of the states that will allow you to sit for the bar without going to law school.  Usually to do this, you have to study under an attorney or judge for a few years.  Your JD may be of some value.  I would hope it is, at a minimum, viewed as being on par or perhaps superior to a parallegal degree.  Who knows.  This might let you work for a few years under an attorney as either a legal secretary or parallegal and complete your study requirements that way, allowing you to sit for the bar.

If you're not leaving KY, you're pretty much stuck, though.  I do notice that KY allows you to sit for the bar exam if your school is accredited by the Association of American Law Schools.  So, if that describes your school, you should be good to go.

http://www.kyoba.org/rules/scr_2.014.pdf

Another option is to simply enroll in an ABA accredited law school.

I wish I had been around to advise you when you were contemplating going to a non-accredited school.  I think some folks here think I'm overly harsh about them, but I fear that some people, like you, don't fully realize what they're getting into.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: susanblaw on January 05, 2012, 08:55:56 AM
i understand what your saying but are there any states that will allow me to sit for the bar or even baby bar? all i need is 1 state.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: GovLaw on January 05, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
I could be mistaken, but I believe there are only three law schools in Kentucky - UK College of Law, Louis D. Brandeis School of Law at the University of Louisville, and the Salmon P. Chase College of Law of Northern Kentucky University.  All three are ABA accredited and have been for years.  I'm at a loss as to what KY law school you could have graduated from, would you care to identify the school?
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: susanblaw on January 05, 2012, 11:07:05 AM
i went to Barkley school of Law..they filed bankruptcy...the last i heard....

i just need 1 state that will allow me to take the bar exam from a non accredited school
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 05, 2012, 02:07:41 PM
If you need "just one" state, why not the state that the school was located in? Seems like the best bet to me. Wasn't it at least state bar approved? If not, how was it legal to even exist in the first place?

i went to Barkley school of Law..they filed bankruptcy...the last i heard....

i just need 1 state that will allow me to take the bar exam from a non accredited school
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 05, 2012, 04:58:13 PM
Barkley closed in 2008.  Do you have a diploma? 

If so, I may have solution for you.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 05, 2012, 05:41:05 PM
Usually to do this, you have to study under an attorney or judge for a few years.

Actually never seen anyone get a license this way, who would want to be a slave to a judge or a lawyer for years, yuck!
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: GovLaw on January 06, 2012, 07:18:08 AM
Well, at least official transcripts are still available if that will help you.  In December 2008, Southern Illinois University School of Law accepted the responsibility as the custodians for the student academic records from the Barkley School of Law (formerly the American Justice School of Law).  They will provide your academic records directly to you (as a former student) and bar admission committees.   It appears that Barkley never even had provisional approval, so finding somewhere to take the bar may be difficult.

However, there may be some good news for you from the Attorney General’s Office; it appears that your outstanding loan amounts for attending this school may be reduced.  Information is available here:  http://migration.kentucky.gov/newsroom/ag/slxagreement.htm

After doing some research, and placing a few phone calls, it appears that you could consider having your education evaluated by the Kentucky Board of Bar Examiners for equivalency to a 3-year ABA education under SCR 2.014(2).  There is a requirement that you’ve actually practiced law, so this is a long shot – but it appears to be the only possibility in Kentucky.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: Opie58 on January 06, 2012, 08:30:45 AM
Usually to do this, you have to study under an attorney or judge for a few years.

Actually never seen anyone get a license this way, who would want to be a slave to a judge or a lawyer for years, yuck!

Washington State allows a Law Clerk Program through the state bar.  The clerk program is a four year program where you study under the mentoring of a lawyer or judge.  There are a handful of folks who have done it this way - not many.  http://www.wsba.org/Licensing-and-Lawyer-Conduct/Admissions/Limited-Licenses-and-Special-Programs/Non-Lawyers-and-Students/Law-Clerk-Program
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: susanblaw on January 06, 2012, 08:46:34 AM
Barkley closed in 2008.  Do you have a diploma? 

If so, I may have solution for you.


yes i do
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 06, 2012, 07:16:18 PM
I'll ask again, if you have the diploma why can you not practice in KY?

Barkley closed in 2008.  Do you have a diploma? 

If so, I may have solution for you.


yes i do
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: passaroa25 on January 07, 2012, 12:13:12 AM
The National Board of Examiners (I think that is the name of the organization.), has a chart that shows which state will allow a student to sit for its bar exam.  I think that New York will allow you to sit for its bar exam.  But don't quote me.  Check with the National Board of Examiners. 
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: passaroa25 on January 07, 2012, 12:23:57 AM
It's called the National Conference of Bar Examiners.  Their website is  www.ncbex.org.

Click on the Publications tab.  The book that has the chart is available for download.  The title of the book is The Comprehensive Guide to Bar Admission Requirements.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 07, 2012, 07:03:46 AM
According to the ABA Chart - graduates of unapproved (non DL) law schools (not state of ABA approved) may be eligible to take the bar in:

DC: Graduates of non-ABA-approved law
schools can write the exam if they have successfully
completed at least 26 semester hours in subjects
tested on the DC bar exam from an ABA-approved
law school.

Looks like possibly also Guam but I have no further details on that.

You would need to follow up with the Bar examiners in each jurisdiction for the details and ins and outs.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 07, 2012, 07:06:52 AM
It's called the National Conference of Bar Examiners.  Their website is  www.ncbex.org.

Click on the Publications tab.  The book that has the chart is available for download.  The title of the book is The Comprehensive Guide to Bar Admission Requirements.

NY is for graduates of unapproved schools who are already lawyers.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: passaroa25 on January 07, 2012, 07:21:36 AM
Oh.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 07, 2012, 07:53:48 AM
Guam - No, ABA chart is wrong

DC - definitely yes - http://www.dcappeals.gov/dccourts/docs/rule46b_admission_by_examination_rev.pdf

Go for it, DC is one of the best jurisdictions in the nations.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 07, 2012, 10:17:07 AM
So to clarify you need 26 semester hours from an ABA law school to qualify in DC.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 09, 2012, 12:49:44 PM
All good information, but can anyone answer this one simple question for me?

If it was a state approved law school in KY why can't she take the bar in KY?

There must be more to this story than we are  being told.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 09, 2012, 04:56:35 PM
It obviously wasn't state approved, it opened contingent upon ABA approval. Kentucky does not recognize non ABA JDs unless one has already been admitted in another jurisdiction.

www.kyoba.org/rules/scr_2.014.pdf

The legal research skills evident on this board are just plain pitiful. You all get an "F" on basic Google research.

Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 10, 2012, 11:06:39 AM
Wrong, this is what is says:

1) Every applicant for admission to the Kentucky Bar must have completed degree requirements for a J.D. or equivalent professional degree from a law school approved by the American Bar Association or by the Association of American Law Schools.

Notice the "or equivelent". The ABA requires the school to exists prior to accrediting. Lots of states (TN comes to mind as an often unmentioned example) have state approved (non-aba) lawschools. Where did you get the presumption for your statements? Clearly not from the link your provided with your post.

It obviously wasn't state approved, it opened contingent upon ABA approval. Kentucky does not recognize non ABA JDs unless one has already been admitted in another jurisdiction.

www.kyoba.org/rules/scr_2.014.pdf

The legal research skills evident on this board are just plain pitiful. You all get an "F" on basic Google research.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 10, 2012, 11:15:17 AM
Heck even Dartmouth has one.......


University of Massachusetts School of Law---Dartmouth
Students interested in attending the non-ABA-approved law school at the University of Massachusetts in Dartmouth can apply via the school's website. You will need your LSAT score, two letters of recommendation and a personal statement. While currently not approved by the American Bar Association, the law program at the University of Massachusetts, formerly the Southern New England School of Law, is approved by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and accredited by the New England Association of Schools and Colleges.

University of Massachusetts School of Law---Dartmouth
333 Faunce Corner Road
North Dartmouth, Massachusetts 02747
508-998-9600
law.umassd.edu



Read more: Non-ABA Approved Law Schools | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6524023_non_aba-approved-law-schools.html#ixzz1j53BYUHI

Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 10, 2012, 02:32:31 PM
No I am correct and you cannot read or apply statutes.

"1) Every applicant for admission to the Kentucky Bar must have completed degree requirements for a J.D. or equivalent professional degree from a law school approved by the American Bar Association or by the Association of American Law Schools.

AAL Schools is this list, I think they are also all ABA accredited:

http://www.aals.org/about_memberschools.php

An equivalent professional degree from an ABA or AALS university would be what - maybe a LLM in comparative common law for foreign law degree holder.

As for other states, we were talking about Kentucky not Massachusetts, Tennessee, Alabama, or California which do have their own acceditation schemes. Do not assume because one state recognizes their own schools that others do.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 10, 2012, 05:08:53 PM
So does anyone have any constructive advice or just more rank speculation?  I stand by the suggestion, they should look into getting the 26 ABA credits and take the DC bar. No one is going to honor a non ABA degree from Kentucky when Kentucky does not recognize the degree.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: FalconJimmy on January 10, 2012, 05:50:12 PM
So does anyone have any constructive advice or just more rank speculation?  I stand by the suggestion, they should look into getting the 26 ABA credits and take the DC bar. No one is going to honor a non ABA degree from Kentucky when Kentucky does not recognize the degree.

I think you've covered it quite well.  The only other thing I see working is using the education to try and study under a judge or attorney in a state that allows it.  I honestly don't see any other practical ways of accomplishing this.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 12, 2012, 12:28:03 PM
So, you repeat what I just said and claim it somehow is different? As for the other states, examples of how otherstates apply simular wording. You are making a lot of assumptions.

No I am correct and you cannot read or apply statutes.

"1) Every applicant for admission to the Kentucky Bar must have completed degree requirements for a J.D. or equivalent professional degree from a law school approved by the American Bar Association or by the Association of American Law Schools.

AAL Schools is this list, I think they are also all ABA accredited:

http://www.aals.org/about_memberschools.php

An equivalent professional degree from an ABA or AALS university would be what - maybe a LLM in comparative common law for foreign law degree holder.

As for other states, we were talking about Kentucky not Massachusetts, Tennessee, Alabama, or California which do have their own acceditation schemes. Do not assume because one state recognizes their own schools that others do.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 12, 2012, 04:05:58 PM
LL - what do you think the equivalent of a ABA JD degree is - it is a LLB or LLM from an an accredited school.  There is no state accreditation scheme in Kentucky. LLBs are no longer awarded in the US but might have been when the rule was originally promulgated. From the point of most state bars non ABA degrees are of so little consequence they are a mere after thought in the rules.

Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 12, 2012, 04:11:41 PM
And yet the state allowed the "lawschool" to operate in their state.

Look, I can tell no one here (not even its "graduate") has the ability to do so, so I did the craziest thing known to man........I asked the only people whose opion matters at all(the state bar) I will let you know what they tell me. How's that sound?

LL - what do you think the equivalent of a ABA JD degree is - it is a LLB or LLM from an an accredited school.  There is no state accreditation scheme in Kentucky. LLBs are no longer awarded in the US but might have been when the rule was originally promulgated. From the point of most state bars non ABA degrees are of so little consequence they are a mere after thought in the rules.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 12, 2012, 05:06:07 PM
I will wait for you tell me what I already know - Kentucky does not accredit law schools. If Barkley had obtained ABA approval, Barkley's students could have taken the KY bar.

By the way don't call the state bar, it is the KYBOA you want, here's the numbers:

http://www.kyoba.org/contacts.htm
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 13, 2012, 07:06:26 PM
You appear to have been right (on both issues) the bar did direct me to bar examiners who told me as follows: ( I am asking them in responce how it's legal to have had the "lawschool" in that state to begin with then, I will see what they say. It should be interesting)

Kentucky Supreme Court Rule 2.014 states that “Every applicant for admission to the Kentucky Bar must have completed degree requirements for a J.D. or equivalent professional degree from a law school approved by the American Bar Association or by the Association of American Law Schools.”  (In fact, the  Association of American Law Schools no longer is authorized to “approve” law schools, so the ABA approval is the only one that matters.)

 

The rule goes on, in subsequent paragraphs, to provide an exception for non-ABA accredited law school graduates who (1) become licensed somewhere other than Kentucky and practice for three of the past 5 years; and (2) can show that the legal education at the non-accredited law school is the substantial equivalent of the legal education they would have received at an ABA-accredited law school in Kentucky.  This latter requirement is very difficult  because, most of the time, if the law school could show substantial equivalency, it would be accredited by the ABA.  Also, the non-ABA accredited law school must be accredited in the jurisdiction where it exists.

 

Because the Barkley School of Law was not accredited by the ABA, you would be required to, first be admitted in another jurisdiction and practice for three out of five years,  next, show that Barkley was accredited in Kentucky, and then establish that the legal education offered by Barkley was the substantial equivalent of the legal education you would have received at an ABA-accredited law school in Kentucky.  The Board does not evaluate an applicant’s legal education unless and until, the applicant meets the other threshold requirement of three years of practice.

 

Your message did not include information as to whether you are admitted in another jurisdiction and whether you have practiced for three of the past five years,  If not, you would be ineligible for admission, without regard to educational equivalency.  Last year, the Kentucky Supreme Court addressed an application from a Barkley School of Law graduate who was not admitted in any jurisdiction, so he had not practiced law for three years.  The Court upheld the application denial.

 

I regret that my response could not be more encouraging and I wish you well in your endeavors.


Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 13, 2012, 07:26:12 PM
Great job on the research!

As to your legality question, since Barkley was not representing itself as something it was not (ABA approved) then I do not see how Kentucky could stop it from setting up shop unless it was making material misrepresentations.  There have been several lawsuits and at least one pending one by a former student pro se who claims Barkley was a RICO enterprise and engaged in loan fraud of some sort.

Novus on the other hand, may cross the line into diploma mill territory which can be illegal.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 13, 2012, 08:03:59 PM
How would it be different than Novus if both said they were "lawschools" but neither claims to be aba approved?

Great job on the research!

As to your legality question, since Barkley was not representing itself as something it was not (ABA approved) then I do not see how Kentucky could stop it from setting up shop unless it was making material misrepresentations.  There have been several lawsuits and at least one pending one by a former student pro se who claims Barkley was a RICO enterprise and engaged in loan fraud of some sort.

Novus on the other hand, may cross the line into diploma mill territory which can be illegal.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 13, 2012, 10:14:46 PM
Barkley had a real school with real law professors and classes and seems to have intended to get ABA accreditation.

The Barkley degrees are real enough - they just are not accredited.

A diploma mill awards a degree for little or no work so that the purchaser can claim they have a degree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mills_in_the_United_States
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 14, 2012, 12:57:12 PM
Although some states (I believe TX is one of them) have made it illegal to use an unaccredited degree, isn't the issuance of one still legal since the accrediting is "voluntary" in America and especially if the school is "licensed" to operate in it's jurisdiction. (Novus being Marshall Islands) ?

Barkley had a real school with real law professors and classes and seems to have intended to get ABA accreditation.

The Barkley degrees are real enough - they just are not accredited.

A diploma mill awards a degree for little or no work so that the purchaser can claim they have a degree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mills_in_the_United_States
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 14, 2012, 01:09:41 PM
Being incorporated in the RMI (Republic of the Marshall Islands) means nothing except someone incorporated an offshore company. It in no way implies any approval by the RMI. And I can assure you, no one from Novus is resident in the RMI. I would say it is a gray area at best - diploma mills are one reason why DL and correspondence law degrees are held in such disrepute. Places like Novus make it harder for everyone who is pursuing a legitimate DL law degree and seeking to practice law because ignorant and biased people fail to realize the difference between studying law for a degree and just paying money for a diploma.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 14, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
would that give you standing to sue (since you are  a lawyer and it affects you for reasons you gave)? If so, it'd get your name out there and fix the problem in theory.

Being incorporated in the RMI (Republic of the Marshall Islands) means nothing except someone incorporated an offshore company. It in no way implies any approval by the RMI. And I can assure you, no one from Novus is resident in the RMI. I would say it is a gray area at best - diploma mills are one reason why DL and correspondence law degrees are held in such disrepute. Places like Novus make it harder for everyone who is pursuing a legitimate DL law degree and seeking to practice law because ignorant and biased people fail to realize the difference between studying law for a degree and just paying money for a diploma.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 14, 2012, 02:14:35 PM
First you need a plaintiff who has standing and the defendant can be sued in any jurisdiction where they do business if I understand your question correctly.  Just not liking them is not grounds to sue.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 14, 2012, 04:27:34 PM
True, but you said it hurt the rep of other online grads. Didn't you say before you were a Prof with an online JD?
If it affects reputation isn't that standing for its impact on possible income?

First you need a plaintiff who has standing and the defendant can be sued in any jurisdiction where they do business if I understand your question correctly.  Just not liking them is not grounds to sue.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 14, 2012, 05:07:41 PM
Good question, let's see why there is not a remedy for every wrong:

1.  There is no negligence because they don't owe me any duty of care.

2.  There is no contractual relationship with them.

3.  There is no intentional interference in my business affairs.

4.  There is no defamation.

I do not think there is any standing to sue, as a concerned citizen I could contact my state attorney general or the Federal Trade Commission and file a complaint.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 14, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
would that be true for all trades then as well?
If they are making DL students look bad is that not a form of Defemation, even in unintentional?

If not, couldn't you as a lawyer round up a group of their Grads to do a group suit for being sold a sack of BS?

Good question, let's see why there is not a remedy for every wrong:

1.  There is no negligence because they don't owe me any duty of care.

2.  There is no contractual relationship with them.

3.  There is no intentional interference in my business affairs.

4.  There is no defamation.

I do not think there is any standing to sue, as a concerned citizen I could contact my state attorney general or the Federal Trade Commission and file a complaint.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 14, 2012, 06:33:32 PM

"If they are making DL students look bad is that not a form of Defemation, even in unintentional?"

In a very loose way that could be defamation however I think there would be real problems establishing that DL graduate lawyers are a separate category of lawyers who were damaged in a tangible fashion.

"If not, couldn't you as a lawyer round up a group of their Grads to do a group suit for being sold a sack of BS?"

That might be considered to be unlawful running, capping, and soliciting in some jurisdictions.

Also, I doubt one would ever be able to collect on a judgment against them.

Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 15, 2012, 12:17:12 PM
why on the judgment? Do you think they just don't have the funds? If so, couldn't a court still order them to stop claiming to issues a JD "degree"?
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 15, 2012, 01:51:52 PM
Ever tried to collect a judgment against a Marshall Islands corporation or any judgment against someone who does not want to pay?

A lot of lawsuits don't get filed because there is no point wasting time, effort, and money suing just for the sake of suing.

An individual would not have standing to get an injunction close the school though a state attorney general might or the FTC.

Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: susanblaw on January 17, 2012, 08:19:26 AM
Is it true that Alabama might let you take the bar exam from a non accredited school?
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 17, 2012, 08:32:08 AM
You know, you can look that up yourself by doing a Google for Alabama Bar Examiners and checking the rules yourself.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 17, 2012, 08:32:46 AM
Since it uses a CA mailing address wouldn't that be standing to do file a claim in federal  court ?


Ever tried to collect a judgment against a Marshall Islands corporation or any judgment against someone who does not want to pay?

A lot of lawsuits don't get filed because there is no point wasting time, effort, and money suing just for the sake of suing.

An individual would not have standing to get an injunction close the school though a state attorney general might or the FTC.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 17, 2012, 08:34:00 AM
(As promised) The much awaited reply:

It is my understanding that the American Justice School of Law, which later became the Barkley School of Law, was “approved” by the Kentucky Department of Education to offer legal education courses and to award a JD; however, it was never accredited by the American Bar Association; and, to my knowledge, the school officials never sought approval from the Kentucky Supreme Court to allow its graduates to sit for the Kentucky Bar Exam despite the non-accredited status.

 

School officials and law students at AJSL/Barkley knew the school was unaccredited and that, without accreditation, there would be little likelihood of being eligible for admission in Kentucky.  I know this because I visited the school, along with one of our Board members, during its first year and specifically told officials and students that the school would need to earn ABA accreditation in order for the students to take the Kentucky Bar  Exam.  At that time the school administration officials were confident that ABA accreditation could be achieved; however, as you know, that did not happen.

 

Your inquiry is the third inquiry I have received from AJSL/Barkley graduates in recent months and I sincerely regret that I cannot offer assistance regarding Bar admission.

 

Best regards,
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: susanblaw on January 17, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
are there any states that would? all that is needed is 1 state..esp. since this school has been approved by the state.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 17, 2012, 08:49:40 AM
Honestly it wouldn't depend on what any one here said or thought. There have been many suggested states and locations to start the search at. Start in those areas and then spread out. Write them and ask them. Horses mouth works best.

My guess is many will say "apply and go in front of a board to make a decision" many might make you take the state bar first as well. Many have taken state bars and passed and still been denied license for various reasons. Just a fact of life to accept before begining.

Some states used to accept non ABA grads who had an ABA LLM. Read each states rules, see if any still do. If so, just get said LLM, if not don't(unless you want to be the most qualified paralegal ever)

If you take a single day and write a letter to the 50 states, and the territories, you will only have to play the waiting game to get your answers. -Or keep Peeing in the bucket, your choice.

are there any states that would? all that is needed is 1 state..esp. since this school has been approved by the state.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 17, 2012, 08:51:11 AM
are there any states that would? all that is needed is 1 state..esp. since this school has been approved by the state.

Was Barkley approved by the state of Kentucky? I saw nothing in your original post that indicated that - if so it is a state accredited school non ABA school.  I think the first step then is to confirm with the Kentucky Bar Examiners or whoever accredits law schools in Kentucky that this is true and get something in writing from the State of Kentucky.

With that letter hand you can then check the bar admission rules for each and every US state and territory regarding state accredited non ABA schools as opposed to non state accredited non ABA schools which are the DL schools we deal with this in this forum  - good luck.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 17, 2012, 08:55:00 AM
Since it uses a CA mailing address wouldn't that be standing to do file a claim in federal  court ?

You mean jurisdiction not standing.

Collecting the judgment has nothing to with either, it is how you get paid which one likely wouldn't under this hypothetical because the defendants would likely just be scofflaws who would set up shop the next day under another name.

Many people are under the assumption that courts enforce civil judgments, they can be used to help collect, but we do not have debtors' prison and deadbeats, including a lot of people with credit card debt judgments, never pay.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 17, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
It could impact collection if you had jurisdiction(thanks for the correction there) in CA to collect on their accounts in CA and not just Marshall Islands. Especially if you jointly sued the owners who live in CA.

Since it uses a CA mailing address wouldn't that be standing to do file a claim in federal  court ?

You mean jurisdiction not standing.

Collecting the judgment has nothing to with either, it is how you get paid which one likely wouldn't under this hypothetical because the defendants would likely just be scofflaws who would set up shop the next day under another name.

Many people are under the assumption that courts enforce civil judgments, they can be used to help collect, but we do not have debtors' prison and deadbeats, including a lot of people with credit card debt judgments, never pay.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 17, 2012, 09:02:55 AM
What makes you think they bank in the RMI?  Not likely, the corp. is just supposedly based there. The owners would likely default, pop up somewhere else, and you would have a worthless judgment for your efforts.

Are you under the illusion that being incorporated and having a website makes one a legitimate business?
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 17, 2012, 01:43:28 PM
I said that their money would be in CA. Please reread.

What makes you think they bank in the RMI?  Not likely, the corp. is just supposedly based there. The owners would likely default, pop up somewhere else, and you would have a worthless judgment for your efforts.

Are you under the illusion that being incorporated and having a website makes one a legitimate business?
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 17, 2012, 03:10:32 PM
OK, when you pass the bar, you go sue them, end of story.
Title: Re: are there any states that will let you to take the bar exam from a non aba sch?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 18, 2012, 05:13:48 PM
So you just don't want to. You could have said that instead of making it sound impossible.

OK, when you pass the bar, you go sue them, end of story.