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Title: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 06, 2011, 12:07:38 PM
We have had decent debate about Iraq, but I think it worth discussing our other war as well in Afghanistan. We have been at war there well before Iraq and plan to be there well after. We went in after 9/11 to make arrests and topple a regime which sheltered those fugitives. We toppeled that regime and then found the main fugitive sheltered near a military base in an "ally" nation (where we popped his eye out of his head and let the fishes eat the brain matter that come out) So knowing all of what we know now, was it a good idea to invade to begin with? Is it a good idea to stay? Untill 2014, or even longer if needed?

I feel this article is reflective of the content of the discussion.
http://news.yahoo.com/suicide-bomber-attacks-shiite-shrine-kabul-074309077.html
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 06, 2011, 03:36:39 PM
settling in for nation-building big mistake.  obama's escalation just as stupid.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 07, 2011, 03:17:39 PM
ok. I can see the argument against nation building. Should we have retaliated after the 9/11 attacks? If so should we have limited it to a bombing campain and air war like we say in Kosovo and Clinton era missle attacks on Iraq? Would it have been a good idea to still send in ground troops for ground battles against the terror groups and then leave clean up largely to the locals (like we did in Somolia)?

settling in for nation-building big mistake.  obama's escalation just as stupid.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 10, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
limited air assaults.  maybe limited ground action.

when we came in and settled in, that's when terrorists won.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 11, 2011, 04:51:03 PM
So basicly what we did in Libya?
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 11, 2011, 06:39:44 PM
yes.  maximum impact from minimum risk.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 13, 2011, 04:57:57 PM
When is nation rebuilding ok then? It worked well in Europe and Japan and many other locations.
No WW3 yet, democracies where none were before, trading partners, good strategic locations for military bases for mutual protection.

Why do you think it worked well for those area and not as well in  areas like Afganistan and Somalia?
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 13, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
europe our allies, and that femtirely different.  japan, italy, and germany previously our enemies, but had surrendered.

however, iraq and afghanistan places where we drop troops into largely hostile areas to babysit.  more like viet nam situation.  key sign:  when need local troops to get organized so u.s. can leave.  that never seem work.  iraq, especially, no threat to imvade others due to no-fly zone.  then gump administration make up all that crap about wmds to justify invasion.  shameful.

there nothing wrong with helping people, but depend on situation.  libya and, now, syria seem better suited to providing some assistance to people we want help.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 14, 2011, 05:17:55 PM
Japan only surrendered after we droped a nuke on them. Think that would fix the situation with rebels in the Afghan and Iraq areas?

Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 18, 2011, 02:48:33 PM
surrender not only objective.  wqith afghanistan, idead stop terrorists staging attacks.  in iraq, no need do anyything:  iraq already contained.  that why gump administration make up excuse invade.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 18, 2011, 06:34:39 PM
they made up the excuse to invade because it is now over?

surrender not only objective.  wqith afghanistan, idead stop terrorists staging attacks.  in iraq, no need do anyything:  iraq already contained.  that why gump administration make up excuse invade.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 19, 2011, 05:37:25 AM
no, they made it up at time begin invasion and occupation.  once that shot down, it became more of "we got stabiize iraq."  even now, conservatives clearly hoping iraq become less stable so can blame obama.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 21, 2011, 01:23:47 PM
I noticed they left a  clause to allow a small detachment of troops with the embessy and a right for the Iraqi govt to request assistance from the larger number of troops still in kuwait (or more if needed)

With talk of a pending Iraqi civil war, do you think we'll go back in to "stop the Iranian influence" and/or other reasons?
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 21, 2011, 04:07:43 PM
it going be very controversial reenter iraq, both there and here.  hopefully u.s. never do so again unless extraordinary circumstances and several other nations participate.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 23, 2011, 02:37:36 PM
so, just like last time?

it going be very controversial reenter iraq, both there and here.  hopefully u.s. never do so again unless extraordinary circumstances and several other nations participate.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 23, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
so, just like last time?

it going be very controversial reenter iraq, both there and here.  hopefully u.s. never do so again unless extraordinary circumstances and several other nations participate.

unfortunately, too many people bought it first time.  everybody love a war;  it like super bowl with automatic weapons.   many people want believe what their government telling them truth.  they need read more history.

nah, we not reenter iraq.  we just go somewhere else:  syria, iran, north korea.  and, as ever:  "we have no choice whatsoever!"
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 27, 2011, 02:35:05 PM
If we go to war in Iran though and it allies itself with Iraq (as it is currently attempting to do) wouldn't that be the "green light"?
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 27, 2011, 05:31:30 PM
going war with iran be even more serious business than unusual because could set up start of next world war--although whether iran many friends remain be seen.   we need have far less saber-rattling, and it be nice if idiots like michele bachmann get her facts about iran even remotely straight. .
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 30, 2011, 05:50:53 PM
So if Iran does block the straight as they have threatened to do, we should do what?
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 30, 2011, 06:47:34 PM
we not need iranian oil.  in short term, get more oil elsewhere.  in long term, stop needing so much friggin' oil.

any blockade of international waters going be met with force.  julie  probably ok with that, depending on details.

and it "strait," not "straight."
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 30, 2011, 07:18:14 PM
as long as we aren't pretending you are using sentences or even american english, I will accept your attempt at constructive criticism in my spelling of the word strait.

As for oil, of course we need it. Not Irans as much as that of our other trade partners which would be blocked off, besides even if the only thing going up and down the strait was navy ships and pleasure boats, blocking it off is an act of war and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 30, 2011, 07:59:04 PM
Very funny.  Esp. Your first comment here...no double standards on fernbigots side anyway. Lol.
Keep up the good work.  :D

as long as we aren't pretending you are using sentences or even american english, I will accept your attempt at constructive criticism in my spelling of the word strait.

As for oil, of course we need it. Not Irans as much as that of our other trade partners which would be blocked off, besides even if the only thing going up and down the strait was navy ships and pleasure boats, blocking it off is an act of war and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 19, 2012, 01:54:31 PM
surrender not only objective.  wqith afghanistan, idead stop terrorists staging attacks.  in iraq, no need do anyything:  iraq already contained.  that why gump administration make up excuse invade.


Lol...Iraq was contained? Paper or plastic, bigitboy?

Clinton not like paper nor plastic... ;D
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 20, 2012, 03:34:34 PM
yes, goatbreath, contained.  look it up.
Title: Re: Was going into Afghanistan a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 29, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
yes, goatbreath, contained.  look it up.

You live in a dreamland...what was that dudes name? Chemical Ali?