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Title: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 08, 2011, 03:19:27 PM
http://www.cooley.edu/newsevents/2011/080811_cooley_opens_tampa_campus.html

Just released info on the newest Cooley campus. What kind of effect will this have for current /future Cooley students?
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Hamilton on August 08, 2011, 03:42:37 PM
Between the lawsuit against bloggers, continued expansion, and their own ranking system, they are not helping their reputation.*

*these statements represent personal opinions and are not intended to disuade any prospective students from attending TMC Law School.  These opinions are not intended to suggest fraud or misrepresentation of fact by TMC Law School.  Prospective students must do their own due dilligence and reach their own conclusions about which school to attend.

THERE - hopefully that will keep them from suing me too...
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 08, 2011, 04:22:44 PM
lol.

I'd imagine the point is to expand networking opportunities for students that are coming from Florida to go to Cooley.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: lawstudent#1 on August 08, 2011, 04:30:32 PM
So if people spread lies and you sue, it makes you the F'd up guy? ???

Dang, I hope I don't get raped, I might go to prison with people like you in the voting population. :-X
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 08, 2011, 04:54:10 PM
So if people spread lies and you sue, it makes you the F'd up guy? ???

Dang, I hope I don't get raped, I might go to prison with people like you in the voting population. :-X


God, I hope I truly don't make it to be a lawyer- I might have to work with you on a regular basix :-X
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: lawstudent#1 on August 08, 2011, 05:00:32 PM
So if people spread lies and you sue, it makes you the F'd up guy? ???

Dang, I hope I don't get raped, I might go to prison with people like you in the voting population. :-X


God, I hope I truly don't make it to be a lawyer- I might have to work with you on a regular basix :-X

That makes two of us there winner.  :-X
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on August 11, 2011, 08:11:11 AM
Thanks for reopening this pslaw2011. 

That guy has logic and analogy cohesiveness problems, i.e. he makes no rational sense and poses no real threat.  If I had to guess, he is a Cooley student who has insecurity issues lashing out unnecessarily like a caged animal (there, now he will bother me and not you :)).

Cooley in FL?  I don't know how I feel about it.  I know Ava Marie left MI recently for FL, but I figured that had mostly to do with the horrible MI economic situation.  The legal community in FL may be concerned that Cooley will make the full move in the near future.

FL has so many new law schools.  Don't know if they can support another, especially one as big as Cooley.  The school says they want a student body of 700.  700? That is more than the entire law student body in many states.  I know FL is big, but is it that big?
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Hamilton on August 11, 2011, 08:56:08 AM
It's not a matter of suing because of "lies," it's a matter of them squelching personal opinions and free speech (yea, there is grey area as to what is knowing misrepresentation of the truth, what is reporting what was published elsewhere, and what is personal opinion).  In large part these people have only repeated what hundreds of others have said or published about Cooley - this is not about protecting a reputation - believe me, Cooley KNOWS what it's reputation is and how it is viewed in the legal community.  This looks like a SLAPP suit to try and shut people up.  As I understand, they never reached out to the bloggers/commenters and asked them to take down the posts that they felt were lies, they just went and sued.  I've posted this elsewhere - by filing this suit they are experiencing the Striesand Effect and have even MORE people having unflattering discussions about them.

So if people spread lies and you sue, it makes you the F'd up guy? ???

Dang, I hope I don't get raped, I might go to prison with people like you in the voting population. :-X
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: lawstudent#1 on August 11, 2011, 10:52:36 AM
It's not a matter of suing because of "lies," it's a matter of them squelching personal opinions and free speech (yea, there is grey area as to what is knowing misrepresentation of the truth, what is reporting what was published elsewhere, and what is personal opinion).  In large part these people have only repeated what hundreds of others have said or published about Cooley - this is not about protecting a reputation - believe me, Cooley KNOWS what it's reputation is and how it is viewed in the legal community.  This looks like a SLAPP suit to try and shut people up.  As I understand, they never reached out to the bloggers/commenters and asked them to take down the posts that they felt were lies, they just went and sued.  I've posted this elsewhere - by filing this suit they are experiencing the Striesand Effect and have even MORE people having unflattering discussions about them.

So if people spread lies and you sue, it makes you the F'd up guy? ???

Dang, I hope I don't get raped, I might go to prison with people like you in the voting population. :-X

Wrong. Marekt place of ideas=ok.  Opinions=protected(even if foul)   Openly Proveable lies&defemation that causes harm=criminal.
If I stand outside your mothers place calling her a whore at 3AM with a speaker phone, I am not protected. Nor should I be. (even if she is)
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Hamilton on August 11, 2011, 11:29:21 AM
So what are the "openly provable" lies?  One person reported that he heard Cooley was under Fed investigation - maybe he did hear that, maybe not, so that is a legitimate question.  But what about the person who repeats that he read elsewhere that Cooley was being investigated?  Is it his job to investigate before publishing because that certainly is NOT the standard that the print/televised media is held to.  How many wild "facts" are reported about Sarah Palin or President Obama that are known/shown to be pure BS?
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on August 11, 2011, 11:44:44 AM
Specifics are needed.  What is being said? What does Cooley accuse, the only two specific attorneys mentioned of saying?  How can they sue "anonymous" bloggers?  Did they actually pay to a forensic IT investigation?

I read the article published by Cooley, but that is hardly objective.  I will admit, while their argument may be valid in terms that they are better than assumed, it shows blatant and shotty ethics to self publish an article stating that oneself is among the best.  Hence, I cannot trust anything self published by Cooley.

I'm not saying Cooley sucks, mind you, only that the tactics they use are poor and transparent, ultimately counter productive- Hamilton's original point, btw.  I try to be open minded enough to give the school the benefit of the doubt, rather than condemn them right out of the gate (which most people seem to do).

What, specifically, is being said that they contest?
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: lawstudent#1 on August 11, 2011, 11:47:31 AM
I'm not your paralegal, look it up yourself. Google is amazing, so is yahoo.

If you can't do that, good luck in Legal Research and Writing with westlaw and lexis.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on August 11, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
Okay.  Your just trying to be a dic.k.  You are that guy- cooleylawstudent.  Ha, I remember you.  Cooley's reputation  is your passion not mine.  I don't go to Cooley.  You do.

Your insecure anger is as apparent as Kanye West and almost as amusing.

Kisses 
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: lawstudent#1 on August 11, 2011, 12:00:19 PM
Okay.  Your just trying to be a dic.k.  You are that guy- cooleylawstudent.  Ha, I remember you.  Cooley's reputation  is your passion not mine.  I don't go to Cooley.  You do.

Your insecure anger is as apparent as Kanye West and almost as amusing.

Kisses

Just remember that argument in court. See how far you get with it.
If you need spoonfeeding(sigh) here is an examples I pulled up(with yahoo and less effort than your reply)
http://www.cooley.edu/newsevents/2011/071411_Cooley_Protects_Alumni_Students_and_Reputation.html

LANSING, Mich., July 14, 2011

Cooley Law School Files Suit to Protect Students, Alumni and Reputation
Complaints
2011 07 014 Summons and Complaint (pdf)

2011 07 14 Summons and Complaint (pdf)
 
Press Contacts
 
Karen Hogan
SeyferthPR
Phone: 1-800-435-9539
hogan@seyferthpr.com

 
Terry Carella
Director of Communications
Phone: (517) 371-5140, ext. 2916
carellat@cooley.edu
 

The Thomas M. Cooley Law School filed two lawsuits today to protect the reputation of the school and its students and alumni from defamatory Internet attacks. In the two actions, the law school asserts defamation and other legal claims against a New York City law firm, two lawyers in that firm, and four anonymous Internet bloggers.

"With ethics and professionalism at the core of our law school's values, we cannot and will not sit back and let anyone circulate defamatory statements about Cooley or the choices our students and alumni made to seek their law degree here," said Brent Danielson, Chair of Cooley's Board of Directors and a retired District Court Judge.

The lawsuits were filed earlier today in Ingham County (Mich.) Circuit Court.

In one lawsuit, Cooley contends that the law firm of Kurzon Strauss LLP and two lawyers in that firm, David Anziska and Jesse Strauss, defamed Cooley by falsely claiming on Internet websites, social media, and email that Cooley, a nonprofit 501(c)(3) Michigan educational corporation, has defrauded students by misrepresenting its graduate employment placement rates, average starting salary figures, and student loan default rates. In the other lawsuit, Cooley claims that four anonymous Internet bloggers defamed the law school in a series of Internet statements on several websites over the last few months.

"Cooley has consistently and truthfully reported job placement and salary figures in the manner required by the American Bar Association (ABA), our accrediting agency, and by the National Association for Law Placement (NALP), a national jobs-reporting clearinghouse," said Charles Toy, associate dean of Career and Professional Development at Cooley and the immediate past president of the State Bar of Michigan.

Consistent with all 201 ABA accredited law schools, Cooley's job placement rates are reported annually to the ABA and NALP nine months after graduation based upon the results of graduate surveys in full compliance with the reporting methodology required by those agencies. Cooley's reported job placement rates have ranged from the current 76 percent up to 82 percent in 2006, with a similar range reported back to 2000.

"Everyone has the right to state an opinion about Cooley, online or elsewhere," said James B. Thelen, Esq., Cooley's associate dean for legal affairs and general counsel. "But our lawsuits contend that these defendants have crossed the line both legally and ethically, -
smearing our reputation with blatantly false and often vulgar statements that they attempt to spread as broadly as possible."

"In one online statement," Thelen said, "the Kurzon Strauss firm claimed as facts that there were reports that Cooley students defaulted on their student loans at a 41 percent rate and that Cooley was misreporting its default rate. Both are lies. Cooley doesn't even calculate its default rate that function is handled by the U.S. Department of Education's Default Prevention and Management Office, and our last official two-year default rate calculated by the federal government was 2.2 percent."

Cooley Law School, based in Lansing, Mich., is accredited by both the American Bar Association and the Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Schools and Colleges. On the most recent Michigan bar examination, Cooley's graduates had the second highest pass rate of the five Michigan law schools, just behind the University of Michigan.

Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Hamilton on August 11, 2011, 12:18:12 PM
The big question is whether "I was just following ABA standards" is a good enough defense.

From the article: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20110811/NEWS06/108110316/4-grads-sue-Cooley-for-250M-saying-job-finding-salary-numbers-inflated?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

"If the plaintiffs were to prevail, it would "set a very disturbing precedent from the perspective of all ABA-accredited schools," said Paul Campos, a professor at the University of Colorado Law School. "That's probably the most important defense that law schools have at present, the claim that they're just following the regulatory requirements placed upon them by their accrediting body," he said.

Campos is a critic of the way schools report employment information. The current ABA standards are "very defective," he said.

Still, he said, "if a law school were found to have followed the regulatory rules, but those rules were found so defective that the entire industry is potentially liable for some kind of fraud or negligent misrepresentation or deceptive business practice, that would be a big problem."
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on August 11, 2011, 12:50:33 PM
He deactivated his LSD account.  He' ll be back with a different name, he always is.  Like a cockroach out of the wall when he hears the word "Cooley".  I should have waited before I called him out, oh well.  I doubt that he knows hes making Cooley students look like fools.

I honestly, don't know any specific details about how schools report their stats.  I suspect Campos is right. I can say from my own experience, I have seen a school misreport their stats to the ABA.  The numbers they reported were so deflated I could count an excess of student well over what was reported by virtue of being there.  I also know so many recent 2010 grads, good students, that don't have a job yet.  One was even in the top ten percent and is still looking.  Students from schools with much better numbers than Cooley, T3 and T2 schools.  Scary.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 11, 2011, 01:21:27 PM
I'll be a little bold here I suppose, but I really think that if you have a BA and a JD and you have no job at all (after 6 months or so) you have some personal problems.

After a reasonable amount of time it would make sense to switch from practicing law only positions to the law related or JD preferred positions. Then to keep involved in the legal community and continue searching for an actual practicing position. Who sits there with no job and says "No! I must practice law or nothing!" ?
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Hamilton on August 11, 2011, 01:41:32 PM
One, the BA-only folks are having a hard time finding work and mentally, it's got to be VERY difficult to look for a job FAR below your education level and expectations - it just smells bad and creates a stigma.  The the questions start... 'you went to law school and you are kitchen manager at Weenie World?  What's wrong with you?  Why did you even BOTHER with law school?'  Also, once you take that non-practicing-lawyer job you virtually eliminate becoming a practicing attorney as an alternative in the future.  As you toil away in your non-lawyer job, fresh new JDs are coming out of school and snatching up the positions that are available.  After a couple of years you are no longer a shiny new penny, you've been away from the law, and generally wont be desireable to firms looking for new associates.

I'll be a little bold here I suppose, but I really think that if you have a BA and a JD and you have no job at all (after 6 months or so) you have some personal problems.

After a reasonable amount of time it would make sense to switch from practicing law only positions to the law related or JD preferred positions. Then to keep involved in the legal community and continue searching for an actual practicing position. Who sits there with no job and says "No! I must practice law or nothing!" ?
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on August 11, 2011, 01:47:58 PM
I'm not at all trying to be mean or disrespectful, pslaw2011.  I'm guessing that you are either not in law school or a 1L.  The job market is grim, very grim.  Region matters, as does the specific school when seeking employment.  Everyone has a Bachelors.  Everyone has a JD.  Everyone is competing for a limited  number of jobs.  Everyone seems to think that employers will be beating down their door, trust me, they won't.  Hundreds of new grads apply for the same positions every year.

More speculation:  your starting at Penn State this fall.  That's good.  Penn State has an impressive draw in PA.  Just remember, Pitt, U. Penn, Temple, Vil. all do too.  Those who have a tough time finding a job have nothing wrong with them.  There are just too many of them, well too many of us.

There is something compelling and refreshing about the optimism of youth.  ;D
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 11, 2011, 04:32:48 PM
I am a current law student & not at Penn State.

Sorry to bust egos but a non law job beats the unemployment office any day. I also said "JD Preferred" positions- meaning state/local government analysts, nonprofits, academia, etc. I'm well aware of the economy being a total toilet at the moment, anyone who is or plans on working for a living knows that.

I'm saying it is important to be creative and resourceful. Going to law school for 3 years and working summers might not work in this economy for most people.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Hamilton on August 11, 2011, 05:11:01 PM
I appreciate what you are saying and applaud your attitide.  Also, not saying/asking this to be a jerk, but you -- to yourself -- need to critically evaluate what "being creative and resourcefull" means when it comes to finding a job.  It sounds good, but what does that really mean?
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 11, 2011, 05:32:42 PM
To me it means doing whatever it takes to make it work.

I expect that I'll have to work for 40-50k a  year for the first couple years, and I plan to live within that sort of budget. I use public transportation, have roommates, and work part time through law school. I also do not live in a "major market" area, its not nyc/boston/dc/cal. 
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 11, 2011, 05:42:09 PM
And this is what the Tampa campus is about! Serving the legal education needs of people who want to work in the public defenders offices and have small law offices in areas most people don't want to work in- in the tampa bay area.

Stetson is 33/23k for tuition (ft/pt) alone, and their 25th percentile lsat starts in the low to mid 150s. This makes it an inaccessible school for a substantial portion of applicants. Some of Cooley's policies/actions are not the best or representative of their students attitudes, but this Tampa campus does serve the mission of Cooley Law.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on August 11, 2011, 07:22:31 PM
I hope you dream comes true, I really do, honestly.  It's just like undergrad, but X 10.   You graduate and think life will be cake and then end up taking a job that is half of what you expected. 

PD jobs are, unexpectedly, competitive.  So are military JAG jobs.  New grads want the massive experience provided by both.  Neither are, by no means, a sure thing.  The top ten grad I mentioned, I'll say it again- top ten percent of her class, is getting passed over at Legal Aid. The full time opening went to someone else.

I don't know the FL legal market.  I suspect all these law schools are popping up because of corporate job openings.  Corporate jobs are "big law" and the hardest to get.  If you are at Cooley now, and not Canadian,  it might be worth you while to study in FL.  I love St. Pete, such a fun city :)

Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 11, 2011, 08:23:51 PM
I'm not going back to FL LOL!! FL has a worse economy than Michigan I'd bet! And your definitely right, the jobs here in FL are corporate - finance and insurance fields mostly.

I personally intend on working in government service. Public administrative law would be ideal- but I'm completely fine with an analyst/govt agency position that would just be a JD preferred position. Cooley does have a joint JD/MPA that I'm looking into. 

I am just saying Cooley is right in that they provide an affordable and more accessible option that Stetson and Barry.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Hamilton on August 11, 2011, 09:42:45 PM
$1,100/credit hour is a more affordable option?  More accessible - yes, not more affordable.

I am just saying Cooley is right in that they provide an affordable and more accessible option that Stetson and Barry.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 11, 2011, 10:26:09 PM
Every private law school in Florida is more expensive per credit hour than Cooley.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Hamilton on August 12, 2011, 07:03:48 AM
Seriously?  Wow.  What are these other schools charging? 

Regardless, Cooley is stretching the concept of "more affordable" with this.  IMO, no school out of the T14 should be charging more than $800/credit hour.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: FalconJimmy on August 12, 2011, 07:32:23 AM
Seriously?  Wow.  What are these other schools charging? 

Regardless, Cooley is stretching the concept of "more affordable" with this.  IMO, no school out of the T14 should be charging more than $800/credit hour.

Cooley gives a heck of a lot of scholarships with relatively easy criteria.  I could have gotten a 75% ride, there.  Would have been cheaper than my school.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on August 12, 2011, 09:07:20 AM
First, I want to say you probably know FL and MI better then I do.  I have friends in FL, go there now and again, almost took a job there, but I have never lived there.  I've been to MI too.  MI is falling apart.  People, and even law schools are fleeing the state in droves.  The state will be forced to reinvent itself, like PA had to do in the 80s.  It will take decades and won't be easy.  I can't think of a worse place to start off a legal career, maybe NV, but even they are coming back.

Do you really thin MI has a better economic situation, i.e. job outlook, than FL? 
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: FalconJimmy on August 12, 2011, 11:52:44 AM
Do you really thin MI has a better economic situation, i.e. job outlook, than FL?

I know you're not asking me, but personally, I think MI is ****ed.  Crappy climate, history of organized labor that keeps anybody in their right mind from locating manufacturing there if they have a choice.  Florida has sunshine, ocean ports, it's still considered a desireable place to live. 

FL and CA may be as bad as MI, now, but they both have the basics that will allow them to bounce back.  MI's best days are, unfortunately, behind it.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on August 12, 2011, 12:14:59 PM
I totally agree with you Jimmy.  That's not to say MI doesn't have its upsides.  The state parks and nature in MI is beautiful.  Hunters from all over the Americas go there for the hunting and camping.  I think tourism will be their new top industry.

I will say I love the sun, love the heat and love the water, but when I was considering moving to FL the one thing that bothered me was the lack of seasons.  Change is good, no change is boring. 

That said, biz is biz; work is work.  MI will have a rough go of it for at least the next 10 years, if not the next 20.  I can't imagine trying to start off in law there, the judicial infrastructure is crumbling along with everything else.  I do know people moving back there though, so maybe its not as bleak as we think it is.

Maybe we're both wrong though, pslaw probably has a more inclusive perspective.     
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: FalconJimmy on August 12, 2011, 12:18:17 PM
I absolutely hope MI bounces back.  I love MI and some of the reasons are the ones you mentioned.  I also have personal and economic attachments to both MI and OH.  Still, if I were a young person, I'd go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: pslaw2011 on August 12, 2011, 02:12:54 PM
In response to the various state economies..

I'm not interested in the business aspects of it. I'd be more than happy to work for one of those unions or in public service or nonprofit etc. I like the Great Lakes region for its affordable cost of living, and I'll find something to live within those means.

I'm moving to the Ann Arbor campus, and from what I've seen Ann Arbor seems to be thriving. And, I already have a job for when I move up in the nonprofit area.

From my experience living in Florida the business economy isn't the best. Sure there are the financial planning companies and banks. But a great deal of the financial industry here is growing in the debt collection area and telemarketing- it might be a way to make money, but its probably not where you'd want to be. However, if insurance is your thing we have tons of that (and Cooley does have an LLM program for insurance law.. just a random addition).

Also, we're all law students here so we should know that who happens to be the Governor actually matters... Rick Scott anyone?
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: Julie Fern on August 12, 2011, 04:55:39 PM
thoroughly glad you proved how this forum seems to be a genuine waste of anyone's time for discovering useful information.

oh, we can do much better that.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: EdinaRah on August 30, 2011, 03:42:25 PM
I'm not going to get involved in the forum politics, but this just seems like a terrible idea.  I'm sure Cooley planned it before the legal market began to tank, but right now the better thing would be for law schools to start contracting rather than expanding.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: bigs5068 on September 01, 2011, 12:11:16 PM
Even I think is a bad idea. Cooley doesn't need to be expanding I won't say anything negative about the school, because I know nothing about it, but it is no secret it has a reputation for accepting to many students and opening up a campus across country only enhances the position of Cooley's critics. It is awarding 918 JD's per year https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage_Info/ABA_LawSchoolData.aspx. That is outrageous. Harvard is pumping out only 593 grads https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/SchoolsABAData/SchoolPage/SchoolPage_Info/ABA_LawSchoolData.aspx . Then my tier 4 school which I like is doing the right thing and only has 175 grads.

Pumping nearly 1,000 J.D.'s in Michigan were jobs are scarce is not a good idea and as adamantly as I defend tier 4 schools this is just not good for the profession or the students.
Title: Re: Cooley Law School's New Tampa, FL campus opens 2012
Post by: fortook on September 02, 2011, 07:24:15 PM
Come on.  Hold him Lucas.