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Title: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on July 11, 2011, 01:36:19 PM
if you feel that going to iraq was beneficial in any slight way...then vote yes...if you think that nothing was beneficial then vote no...

get it?


if you are a simpleton and must put a reply...then you let everyone know that you are a simpleton....please feel free and post a comment...

There is no need to post a reply....
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on July 22, 2011, 02:49:20 PM
oh, so "it mostly stupid idea" supposedly yes vote, eh?  you think just like gump.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on July 22, 2011, 07:28:16 PM
oh, so "it mostly stupid idea" supposedly yes vote, eh?  you think just like gump.

ask and stupid appears...

"who more foolish? fool? or fool who follow fool?

mostly?  since when combat operations absolutes? 

do self favor...go back school...learn 'bout logic and hypothetical syllogisms...













and this is a poll...you dumbass bumbleclot.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on July 28, 2011, 05:21:38 AM
iran won.  we lost, including lots blood and money.

and it assholes like you thank.

thanks for nothing.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on August 03, 2011, 08:22:03 PM
iran won.  we lost, including lots blood and money.

and it assholes like you thank.

thanks for nothing.
aye realize you have no understanding of military operations...so aye forgive your ignorance to a degree...however, the success in mesopoetamia is a c change for the region since before it was carved up by the Brits in 1920 and faisel was in charge....today and moving forward world nations deal with the people in Iraq not regimes...and business is thriving in northern Iraq...

do some research...check it out.

Aye know you handicapped when it comes to military operations which bring about freedom for oppressed people....like the us civil war which freed the slaves and the us iraq war which freed the kurds.


But you are a bigot...and that is sad..


Here tip: no one wins or loses in war....things get better or worse and if people rise from oppression...then there is success.

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 06, 2011, 04:06:41 PM
julie research.  you idiot.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on August 10, 2011, 08:56:13 PM
Can I be a simpleton, too?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 11, 2011, 06:55:04 AM
no doubt. 

you may already be winner.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on August 14, 2011, 08:03:18 PM
no doubt. 

you may already be winner.

You already winner of simpleton award.  Fortook mocking u.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on August 15, 2011, 07:37:55 AM
Oh Blue, it pains me to say this- I agree with Julie.  There I said it.  You're right I was mocking him, but because of his semantics, not his issues.  I don't think I can get between you too, the love in the air is palatable and beautiful.  Carry on :)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on August 15, 2011, 06:46:55 PM
Oh Blue, it pains me to say this- I agree with Julie.  There I said it.  You're right I was mocking him, but because of his semantics, not his issues.  I don't think I can get between you too, the love in the air is palatable and beautiful.  Carry on :)

Don't feel pained.  As a conservative independent aye  agree with libertarians views of government more than the liberal donkees and most democrat ideology.... Aye would be correct that you are a libertarian, right?...and understand their position on engaging in military operations...and aye flat out disagree with isolationism...which is the pure lbtrn view... Still too many oppressive dictators and regimes even since ww2.  Oppression and genocide are realities which we as human beings must deal with and we can't take the careless or selfish route on these issues. ....somtimes we have to assist others...

Bush policies and our armed services liberated Kurdish northern mesopoetamia...obama has lockstep followed bush policies but no outcry...that is awesome...and affirms that all the naysying was bunk...esp from the mostly liberal media...the kurds live and thrive today...one of our oldest cultures on the planet...A culture which Hussein and his sons would rather eradicate.   Historians are already conceding that the ends justified the means in this case...and view it as a success...time will tell more...obviously...but aye point to the Arab spring as a c change for the region.

Mocking him has been very funny to a lot of us on the board over the years mostly because we ruffle his thinly feathered head...and it obviously bothers him...aye laughed quite a bit with your love comment...aye find that stuff really fly because aye am a man and HE is a bit of a bigot..."he doesn't really appreciate it" it makes him "uncomfortable"...he ALWAYS trys to dis the person who makes comments like that...just like he did to you...for a liberal he is a bit homophobic...and he thinks aye'm a pub...aye guess he thinks this should bother a pub??  he is actually more of a pub than he thinks aye am...aye think my strong support of bush and cheney with regard to national security really messed with his head...

If you want to have a little fun see if he'd vote for Ron Paul?   Aye think Paul is great and would do a good job as c.i.c...if aye don't go with bam...paul will probably get my vote...time to shrink our fed gov a bit...got too damn big and time to put the credit card away...



Carry on...keep up the mocking!,!!!

But remember....you responded to this thread and there was no need, except if u just wanted join in the fun...but realize...you won second place for being the fool who follows the fool... 8) keep up the good work.

If you don't believe my long analysis of ferboy's bigotry....ask him if he thinks the civil war was necessary to liberate people of color from the bonds of slavery...or for that matter that they should have been freed.

Oh...my... h e a v y, right? Can't do it can ya?  Maybe we are the same poster but...aye will answer your questions...he will always evade or bring hyperchorisms to bear....why?
Aye think he is lazy.

A long time ago he thought it would be a good idea to pay to be on this board??? Can you imagine? He's a real American idiot....and aye remind as often as aye can...as long as prepositions and articles and conjunctions still exist so long the mocking will continue...

Px.o.rsta ??? 8)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on August 15, 2011, 07:13:29 PM
Libertarian? Ron Swanson is funny because he is so extreme, that's him not me.  As far as labels, I'm not a big fan of all the polar, be on my team, law of the excluded middle silliness.  The "conservatives" call me a liberal, but I think that's just because to them there are only two choices for everything and nothing else.  So if I don't agree with them on every single issue, only thing I can be is a liberal and of course that means they know all of my positions on everything so why should I bother saying anything.  Even being indifferent or impartial means: you one of them darn liberals. The "liberals" aren't perfect by any means, but they not quite so absolute about absolutely everything and won't exclude the indifferent or impartial as quickly.  Does that mean I'm a liberal. idk.

Arabs? Got nothing against them.  Defiantly don't want to kill them.  They a world away, I don't want to kill anyone or force them to do anything.  I understand going to war for their oil for money, but I don't like it, they a world away bro.  We aren't in the middle east to spread rainbows and sunshine.  We are there to kill them and that's f'ed up.

I am the number one fool! I want a recount. I never get second.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on August 15, 2011, 07:26:20 PM
Libertarian? Ron Swanson is funny because he is so extreme, that's him not me.  As far as labels, I'm not a big fan of all the polar, be on my team, law of the excluded middle silliness.  The "conservatives" call me a liberal, but I think that's just because to them there are only two choices for everything and nothing else.  So if I don't agree with them on every single issue, only thing I can be is a liberal and of course that means they know all of my positions on everything so why should I bother saying anything.  Even being indifferent or impartial means: you one of them darn liberals. The "liberals" aren't perfect by any means, but they not quite so absolute about absolutely everything and won't exclude the indifferent or impartial as quickly.  Does that mean I'm a liberal. idk.

Arabs? Got nothing against them.  Defiantly don't want to kill them.  They a world away, I don't want to kill anyone or force them to do anything.  I understand going to war for their oil for money, but I don't like it, they a world away bro.  We aren't in the middle east to spread rainbows and sunshine.  We are there to kill them and that's f'ed up.

I am the number one fool! I want a recount. I never get second.


Interesting...Germany was a world away...but do you think it was a good idea to go? Anything redeeming come from that? 

Extreme right and extreme left are both bunk...but liberal is code for extreme left and democrat party, only...conservative is code for middle of the road dem.....middle of road pub...and far right pub...conservative independent is middle....no absolute ideology...only issues...is'nt there difference to you...


And aye agree 100 percent with the" label" disabled....one of my mantras, my man.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: lawyerintraining on August 15, 2011, 07:47:35 PM
if you feel that going to iraq was beneficial in any slight way...then vote yes...if you think that nothing was beneficial then vote no...

get it?


if you are a simpleton and must put a reply...then you let everyone know that you are a simpleton....please feel free and post a comment...

There is no need to post a reply....

1st Amendment freedom of speech, I'll post just because I can (same reason, if not better than whatever reason you two have for trying to kiss eachother all day across the screen) You sure don't haver the time/place/managment authority to tell me what to do.

Yes, Iraq was a good idea. Symbolic speech, to express the idea of "if you mess with my daddy I gonna make your head pop off on your own national tv". I like that message.  8)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on August 15, 2011, 08:36:55 PM
Germany?  The Middle East?  Apples and oranges.  Germany declared war on the US, not the other way around.  Germany sunk US ships, planned N. American bombing raids, in short they were the aggressors. 

The Mid East is nothing like that, the US picks fights there for oil, money, influence, sh.its and giggles.  If we didn't want their oil, we wouldn't care what they do or how they live there lives.  Heard anything in the news lately about SE Asia or S America? Can't open a paper without reading some horrible nastiness happening in the Mid East. All the rest is American propaganda.  I actually had to explain to a buddy of mine just back from Iraq how Saddam was not a NAZI.  He was told Saddam was a NAZI, a f'in NAZI.  Meh.

If you have goals their then state them.  All the pussie footing around, saying how we there to help them is just bunk, intelligence insulting bunk.  And they know it too.

Yeah, I just invaded your country, killed thousands of people, displaced millions of people because I'm trying to help you, really:

Remember, when I showed up at your house and punched you in the face and stole your TV?  I was doing it to help you!  Why are you so ungrateful?  I came all the way over here, went out of my way to punch you in the face, and take that terrible TV off your hands that was hurting your eyes and you won't thank me?  You so ungrateful.  No you can't have your TV back, its bad for you.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: lawyerintraining on August 15, 2011, 10:12:23 PM
Remind me again exactly how much oil we have gained in Afganistan?  ::)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on August 16, 2011, 05:52:08 AM
Meh
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: lawyerintraining on August 16, 2011, 09:14:29 AM
Meh

exactly. :-X
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 16, 2011, 09:49:28 AM
yes, yes.

we lost iraq, remember?  iran won.

all hail happily-former-president gump.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 26, 2011, 01:14:44 AM
Come on, man. Oversimplification? Apples and oranges are fruit are they not?  That cliche is not an argument.  There are many similarities one can draw from military operations. aye'll get back to you later on that theory that we joined ww2 because the Germans declared war on us...and attacked our ships?...um remember pearl harbor? And even during the late 30's there were isolationists and interventionists. 

Aye believe there was a time where Hussein invaded Kuwait not that he knew that the us did business with Kuwait.  And perhaps Hussein never said that he would "make Kuwait a graveyard for those who launched any aggression".  And strange how after engaging the battle of ww2 we inadvertently saved a culture from eradication and stopped a genocidal lunatic.  Germany was a world away from post-depression America, as well.

Before he took power, Hussein was a Baathist, not a nazi--your friend is misguided.  Aye can think of only one incident @ 1941 where baathists asked nazi Germany for help against the pro-British mesopoetamian monarchy.

Iraqi north is thriving without the dictator...and the only good genocidal tyrant is a dead one...
Do the ends justify the means..well? Is humanity better without hitler? Is humanity better off without Hussein and sons?  Aye know it is.



Germany?  The Middle East?  Apples and oranges.  Germany declared war on the US, not the other way around.  Germany sunk US ships, planned N. American bombing raids, in short they were the aggressors. 

The Mid East is nothing like that, the US picks fights there for oil, money, influence, sh.its and giggles.  If we didn't want their oil, we wouldn't care what they do or how they live there lives.  Heard anything in the news lately about SE Asia or S America? Can't open a paper without reading some horrible nastiness happening in the Mid East. All the rest is American propaganda.  I actually had to explain to a buddy of mine just back from Iraq how Saddam was not a NAZI.  He was told Saddam was a NAZI, a f'in NAZI.  Meh.

If you have goals their then state them.  All the pussie footing around, saying how we there to help them is just bunk, intelligence insulting bunk.  And they know it too.

Yeah, I just invaded your country, killed thousands of people, displaced millions of people because I'm trying to help you, really:

Remember, when I showed up at your house and punched you in the face and stole your TV?  I was doing it to help you!  Why are you so ungrateful?  I came all the way over here, went out of my way to punch you in the face, and take that terrible TV off your hands that was hurting your eyes and you won't thank me?  You so ungrateful.  No you can't have your TV back, its bad for you.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on November 26, 2011, 08:46:50 AM
Hmmm.  The phrase- "Apples and Oranges" in English is an analogy for "different".  WWII and the Iraq invasion are different, almost in their respective entirety.  I'm not going to bother to explain the obvious and go into why they are vastly different, vastly. But, yes a war is still a war and their are guns, pants, boots, shirts, helmets, death, etc involved.  So in loose terms they were virtually the same war.

In short: was going to Iraq a bad idea? Yes, it was.  Absolutely.  Rationalize it all you want with loose WWII comparisons, it was politically, economically, humanely, and all around a foolish and reckless thing to do.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on November 26, 2011, 09:35:43 AM
Anyone expect to go into Iran soon?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 26, 2011, 10:09:36 AM
so, we just ignore the fact that the Kurds in north mesopoetamia are empowered and in control of their own land and free from a genocidal tyrant?  Sorry, aye can't do it. Saving people from being murdered and thrown into mass graves is NOT a bad idea. 

Some Ww2 isolationists still believe that saving gypsies and jews from a genocidal tyrant was a bad idea as well.  So, you have company.
 ;)

Hmmm.  The phrase- "Apples and Oranges" in English is an analogy for "different".  WWII and the Iraq invasion are different, almost in their respective entirety.  I'm not going to bother to explain the obvious and go into why they are vastly different, vastly. But, yes a war is still a war and their are guns, pants, boots, shirts, helmets, death, etc involved.  So in loose terms they were virtually the same war.

In short: was going to Iraq a bad idea? Yes, it was.  Absolutely.  Rationalize it all you want with loose WWII comparisons, it was politically, economically, humanely, and all around a foolish and reckless thing to do.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 26, 2011, 10:13:30 AM
Anyone expect to go into Iran soon?

Welcome to www.war. And silicon virus weapons.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on November 26, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
I kind of expect the "pullout" dates of Afrgan and Iraq to be just enough time to take a breath and roll into Iran.

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on November 26, 2011, 10:33:49 AM
Historically, while we in the U.S. are very militaristic, the population will only tolerate two wars per generation.  The gov is still powerful enough to invade Iran if they choose, but the political fallout would be enormous.  I'm sure the politicians know that.  We are still trying to recover from the last two wars.  An Iran invasion would be political suicide.

Saving people, by killing people sounds like crusade thinking to me.  Or the undue reaching for ANY reason to justify the Iraq invasion.  First it was WMDs, then it was humanitarianism.  These justifications a too fluid and, well, desperate for me to buy.  If humanitarianism was the goal, why mention WMDs.  If no WMDs were found, the goal was a lie.  Quick Cheny, find a new goal- ok, ok, we invaded  Iraq to save Iraqis- even if such desperate appeals are obviously bunk, they work with huge numbers of the population.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on November 26, 2011, 01:21:10 PM
blueidiot just like wars.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on November 26, 2011, 01:23:46 PM
People always forget that we DID find WMD. Saddam went on tv bragging about the ones that could hit Israel and the Kurds despite the rules imposed upon him. That alone was enough.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on November 26, 2011, 02:33:09 PM
Lol, had the U.S. found WMDs, the humanitarianism argument would never been needed or used.  No WMDs were found by American or UN investigators. I don't think they even had chemical weapons anymore.

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on November 26, 2011, 05:11:03 PM
People always forget that we DID find WMD. Saddam went on tv bragging about the ones that could hit Israel and the Kurds despite the rules imposed upon him. That alone was enough.

nonsense.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 26, 2011, 11:58:13 PM
Lol, had the U.S. found WMDs, the humanitarianism argument would never been needed or used.  No WMDs were found by American or UN investigators. I don't think they even had chemical weapons anymore.

This grows more and more interesting as a topic of discussion...and it will never materialize as plumb and square...there are still those who don't believe that mass graves were dug for people in Germany during ww2...and some still think we should have left hitler and the nazis alone...are you aware of this?  We entered the war unaware of the genocide expedited by the nazis.(oh man, aye hope this isn't another 'scale' thing for you.

Today, most people aye speak with think we did the right thing by joining ww2 and those former isolationists have faded. Yes, we killed people to save people....contradiction? Paradox? 

Maybe aye am an evil cynic...but when aye understand that a regime or political group or a despot family or dictator has dug mass graves or is digging mass graves...aye pray ( and we indigos use our channels) that they meet justice or are thrown into their own grave....but if the us has no interest in the area where this debauchery takes place aye am sure some would say," so what".  But with us interests there in mesopoetamia why not act? Act for selfish reasons...after all that is what the American people needed to hear.  Hussein invaded Kuwait and we acted because of our interests.

Why didn't we continue to push on when Hussein invaded Kuwait? Fear of civil war there? Hussein and sons kept persia at bay? Bad politics for bush sr.?  All of the above?

Do you remember Hussein launching missiles at Israel? Aye can't resist bringing it up again....apples and oranges make me laugh since they are both fruit and folks love that cliche...but here is a good cliche..."history repeats itself"... Scud missiles actually could kill many people but we took care of that right? What would happen when husseins sons would rise to power?  Couldn't happen again, right? Impossible? Think again.

If Cheney had said we are going into Iraq to take out husseins sons aye would have been on board that vessel of thought...because "history repeats itself".   Most people don't dwell on the reason why it was necessary to publish pictures of dead uday and quesay.  Those two would be the next regime leaders and a full stop was necessary to quell fears....talk about pre-emptive and wrong...but one scenario, needless to show.
Hey, sometimes they comeback...that was the reason Hussein murdered battle age kurdish men in 1988...he was worried that one day the Kurds would kill him and become empowered to control their own land...one of the largest and deepest fossil fuel land deposits known on the planet.  Aye guess that would be a reason Hussein wanted them all dead, right?  Hussein was right...today they do control their own land...last month the Kurds interior minister met with Scotland's first minister. What?

Aye think some who thought going into Iraq was a bad idea don't want to see the good which came out of it...Kurdish success today would not be possible if bush jr. hadn't started asking Hussein to step down and with husseins refusal to exit... bush jr.  engaged the tyrant with military operations

Aye think some who thought going into Iraq was a bad idea are upset that they were duped by an idiot like bush jr. with the weapons of mass destruction theory...frankly aye didn't care that they found no wmds...that is not why aye thought we should be re-activating military operations. Btw Hussein ruled with fear...that was his strength...he wasn't giving up on that bluff with weapons inspectors or the Clinton administration.  It's not like Hussein was a threat to the region before.  Right?

Aye'm sure some who think going into Iraq again was a bad idea after finding out that he had no wmds and don't think hussein or his sons would one day acquire wmds to use on Israel or Persia...or use them as a threat and take over Kuwait, Bahrain, or qatar....aye mean...why would his sons do anything like that?

Aye think some who thought going to Iraq was a bad idea are upset that they were duped into thinking that Hussein was behind 9/11.

Basically those who think going back into Iraq was a bad idea are upset that they were duped or think that bush jr was trying to dupe them or/and thought Hussein was no future threat to the region.

Based on a history going back o the late 60's  there was enough brutality out of saddam hussein and his regime to see that he AND his sons had to be removed....he was but ONLY a threat to the region....He'd been appeased and beaten down but always got up....

Fortook, dictators like hitler, stalin, amin, qadaffi, and hussein were forces of mass destruction...it is up to the people left in the wake of their destructive annihilating agenda to rise from the ashes and become empowered....if the USA helped these people rise from the shadows of lumped mass graves to stand tall and overcome even in the smallest of ways then it was worth it to continue operations in Iraq...sorry to be cynical toward the naysayers but you guys will fade...just like the isolationists of ww2.


My friends who label themselves as progressives are mostly disappointed that w's 'surge' was successful...they don't want to hear that the Kurds are empowered because they can't say, "I told you so"...they are disappointed that w initiated re-deployment and draw down and not Obama...after almost 40 yrs in power and mass genocide and destruction they can't admit that Hussein was a WMD himself. They hypocritically rely on oil to travel and live comfortably but don't believe we should protect our supply interests more importantly the people who make that supply possible.

But here is the kicker...some are progressive socialists who think we should help the poor, give aid and comfort to the sick and dying, and advocate human rights but they don't want to hear about the genocide of the Kurds and the mass graves dug in mesopoetamia...aye've called them out on this one and tell them to close their eyes...they don't like it...but they are smart enough to know aye'm right. A dry wit helps.

Amazing, right? sometimes people are killed to save people.

Someone asked Cheney: 2/3rds of Americans say it's not worth fighting?
He says: "so?" because history is showing how that country is succeeding, particularly in the north.
Those who think it was not worth fighting are irrelevant now..so what? Deal done...as long as the Kurds continue to thrive those who believed in intervention will be relevant....

Isolationists from ww2 faded away....we're global now baby ;)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on November 27, 2011, 11:42:26 AM
If you tell the cops you have crack cocaine in your house, and they raid it. Don't complain.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-10-10/news/9010100377_1_saudi-arabia-new-missile-iraqi-missile

Iraq Claims New Weapon Of Death Hussein Says Missile Can Hit Israel, U.s. Troops In The Gulf
October 10, 1990|By Baltimore SunAMMAN, JORDAN Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, leading an outcry of Arab rage over the Israeli killing of 19 Palestinians, declared Tuesday he had a new missile with a range that could hit both Israel and U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia.

The missile was called Al-Hijara, which means ''stones.'' It was clearly named after the young protesters in the anti-Israeli uprising, known as ''Children of the Stones.''



Lol, had the U.S. found WMDs, the humanitarianism argument would never been needed or used.  No WMDs were found by American or UN investigators. I don't think they even had chemical weapons anymore.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on November 27, 2011, 11:51:12 AM
Uh. You know 1990 and 2003 aren't the same dates, right?  There were two U.S. invasions of Iraq, no one here contested the WMD (chem weapons) of 1990. If fact, its off topic. 

Desert Storm isn't what we are talking about here and I am now aware of the time I have wasted on this board.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on November 27, 2011, 11:56:10 AM
It was one example ( of billions) if you brag of having contraband and then don't let the inspectors inspect.............. well duh. You get raided.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on November 27, 2011, 12:15:20 PM
And if you brag of having crack and have none?  And if you brag of having crack and are raided 15 years later and have none?  Don't let the tactical ramblings of some fool dictate your behavior, especially if that behavior means killing people.

People lie.  Shhhhh its a secret.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on November 27, 2011, 12:55:51 PM
The alternative then is not enforce any laws. That is worse.

If someone is dumb enough to openly refuse to cooperate with the law. It happens.

His actions up to the day of the event did it. He could have surrendered that day. He chose not to.

 
Do people lie? Sure. If they are dumb enough to do it to the cops, they get the results.

What would you have prefered, we remove him and NOT rebuild?

And if you brag of having crack and have none?  And if you brag of having crack and are raided 15 years later and have none?  Don't let the tactical ramblings of some fool dictate your behavior, especially if that behavior means killing people.

People lie.  Shhhhh its a secret.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on November 27, 2011, 01:45:16 PM
Ok, tangent number 3. 

Saddam Husein was not an American citizen, subject to our laws.  The U.S. military are not global police and the U.S. president is not the global attorney general- as much as some people, amazingly, want him to be. The analogy is flawed (even though I rolled with it for awhile, its just absurd).   

If all that were true, Saddam was denied his public defender, the right prohibiting unlawful search and seizure, quartering of troops (that's a funny one I admit) and his meranda.

Shortly, the comparison of criminal activity to international s.hit we don't like, right or wrong, is a logical fallacy.  It does not matter if I or you agree with the end result, it is flawed thinking and well, just arrogant and rude. 

Yep, U.S. foreign policy under Bush was arrogant and rude, that was why the state department had to actually tell us to say we were Canadians when we were abroad- ridiculous. Who else don't you like?  Should we invade them all too?  Invade for poops and giggles? Who care about casualties?  Sovereign right of nations? Sharing the world with all these people? F. them all.  We'll just force them to capitulate or kill them. 
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 28, 2011, 01:17:05 PM
It may not be our job to police the earth...but protecting our interests and providing stability (if we can) is our job...So, as Americans who have "interests" in the Persian gulf..like it or not...and depend on the people who live there for a supply we need to be productive should not act to protect our interests? or come to aide the people who supply us?

The removal of Hussein and sons was done because of a history of brutality and aggression with military and humanitarian exploits fluidly expedited by the regime..(in a region which the us depends upon)...whenever Hussein was knocked down..he got up again..we see how well sanctions and polite diplomacy have worked with the n. Korean regime....the same thing went on with hussein and iraq...that is why aye started with explaining that military operations began with the invasion by Hussein of Kuwait...

Clinton tried appeasement....Clinton used military force to shut Hussein down as well...
Bush jr. tried appeasement...Bush jr. asked hussein to step down...he didn't...so operations continued....

And consequentially the Kurdish people who live in mesopoetamia are free to do business with the rest of the world...(our socio/economic interests)...
and are free from systematic genocide(our humanitarian interests)...

aye don't know how you can separate the people living there from the product we are interested in there.

Those who think revisiting Iraq was a bad idea seem to be able to separate the two...and and those who think returning to iraq was a bad idea ignore the fact that Hussein ALWAYS pushed to rebuild his military machine after he took a beating...

For some reason those who think continuing operations in Iraq can't make the leap that husseins sons would be doing the same thing.

Fortook...do you actually believe that Hussein and sons had not historically been a threat to the person gulf region?

And do you believe that his sons would not have continued to build back their power in the region?

best of all it seems that you think that Hussein and his regime were not a force of mass destruction.

This is why aye go back to bush when dealing with the naysayers...they are upset that they couldn't say "I told you so"...

They will acknowledge none of the good which has come out of removing a murdering tyrannical regime...

Face to face arguments are interesting because of shifting public opinions on the matter....today, bush bashers and a lot of smart people look heartless and stupid when they downplay Kurdish success.


Ok, tangent number 3. 

Saddam Husein was not an American citizen, subject to our laws.  The U.S. military are not global police and the U.S. president is not the global attorney general- as much as some people, amazingly, want him to be. The analogy is flawed (even though I rolled with it for awhile, its just absurd).   

If all that were true, Saddam was denied his public defender, the right prohibiting unlawful search and seizure, quartering of troops (that's a funny one I admit) and his meranda.

Shortly, the comparison of criminal activity to international s.hit we don't like, right or wrong, is a logical fallacy.  It does not matter if I or you agree with the end result, it is flawed thinking and well, just arrogant and rude. 

Yep, U.S. foreign policy under Bush was arrogant and rude, that was why the state department had to actually tell us to say we were Canadians when we were abroad- ridiculous. Who else don't you like?  Should we invade them all too?  Invade for poops and giggles? Who care about casualties?  Sovereign right of nations? Sharing the world with all these people? F. them all.  We'll just force them to capitulate or kill them.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 28, 2011, 01:45:27 PM
Uh. You know 1990 and 2003 aren't the same dates, right?  There were two U.S. invasions of Iraq, no one here contested the WMD (chem weapons) of 1990. If fact, its off topic. 

Desert Storm isn't what we are talking about here and I am now aware of the time I have wasted on this board.

time is fluid not static...and since Hussein took his beating in 1990...the Clinton administration had to go to military operations...appeasement was applied...but Hussein and company remained...

So you can't ignore the fact that operations began after Hussein invaded Kuwait...were continued with Clinton...were continued with bush jr. And redeployment and drawdown was initiated under bush jr...

You have to ask yourself this: if they found wmds would you feel as though it wasn't a waste.





For many people...they find no good out of the war in iraq because they just didn't like bush jr. or the fact that he won a second term...
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 28, 2011, 02:05:12 PM
True that husseins boasts were ott...but after all the info on the regimes historical brutality...and continued threats and brutality some people still can't make the connection that he was a threat to the region, particularly cruel and destructive towards the Kurds in the oil rich north.

Like hitler and the nazis he would not go gently into that good night. Sanctions, appeasement would not work...in the modern age unfortunately military force was the answer.

Aye think the fact that some people were duped or feel they were duped by "w" hurts their feelings. 

If you tell the cops you have crack cocaine in your house, and they raid it. Don't complain.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-10-10/news/9010100377_1_saudi-arabia-new-missile-iraqi-missile

Iraq Claims New Weapon Of Death Hussein Says Missile Can Hit Israel, U.s. Troops In The Gulf
October 10, 1990|By Baltimore SunAMMAN, JORDAN Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, leading an outcry of Arab rage over the Israeli killing of 19 Palestinians, declared Tuesday he had a new missile with a range that could hit both Israel and U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia.

The missile was called Al-Hijara, which means ''stones.'' It was clearly named after the young protesters in the anti-Israeli uprising, known as ''Children of the Stones.''



Lol, had the U.S. found WMDs, the humanitarianism argument would never been needed or used.  No WMDs were found by American or UN investigators. I don't think they even had chemical weapons anymore.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on November 28, 2011, 03:42:53 PM
Ok, Time is fluid, not static? What does that mean?  Are we still at war with Great Britain?  If so, is France gonna be our new b.itch?  How long does it take to become static?

I think I see our major disconnect.  Morality is a legitimate relational for extreme action for you.  It is not for me.  If anything, anything in all of human existence is fluid rather than static it is morality.  Consequently, using morality as a justification for an action as strong as war, i.e. killing people, changes drastically based on who and when.  An awareness of the varying morality of other people is necessary in order to live with them, rather than everyone killing each other.  All summed up in one word: respect.

Ok, you don't like these people.  Please don't kill them.  Ok, you don't like this dude (D.ouche bag or not), please don't run off and kill him.  Bush did not hurt my feelings, he pissed me off- along with most of the entire planet.  I almost cried when no European would even touch him because they were so disgusted by his behavior. Why?  Because he had no respect for anyone around him-  I do what I want, f. you.  I go where I want, f. you.  You don't like me here, f. you.  Why is Cartman a d.ick?

I would rather live with men, then kill them.  If morality, rather than blanket respect, is your motivator: You would rather kill men, then live with them- by definition (morality changes with time and place and group).
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on November 28, 2011, 05:43:53 PM
blueidiot just like kill, so long not at risk.  (but it like play star wars.)    it just use morality defend killing.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 29, 2011, 11:19:30 PM
Unfortunately in this day and age military operations are needed to take out a genocidal military tyrant...this is what we did with hitler and the nazis...this is what we did to Hussein and sons. Aye wished we did  and pray that one day we will live in an mlk world...but at the moment we don't.

By this line of justification you are placing here you have a problem with the way we took out hitler.  Is that right?

And as time is showing...and will continue to show that like hitler and the nazis...the world is better a place with them and Hussein gone....Kurds are thriving....so it wasn't the entire planet opposed.


Ok, Time is fluid, not static? What does that mean?  Are we still at war with Great Britain?  If so, is France gonna be our new b.itch?  How long does it take to become static?

I think I see our major disconnect.  Morality is a legitimate relational for extreme action for you.  It is not for me.  If anything, anything in all of human existence is fluid rather than static it is morality.  Consequently, using morality as a justification for an action as strong as war, i.e. killing people, changes drastically based on who and when.  An awareness of the varying morality of other people is necessary in order to live with them, rather than everyone killing each other.  All summed up in one word: respect.

Ok, you don't like these people.  Please don't kill them.  Ok, you don't like this dude (D.ouche bag or not), please don't run off and kill him.  Bush did not hurt my feelings, he pissed me off- along with most of the entire planet.  I almost cried when no European would even touch him because they were so disgusted by his behavior. Why?  Because he had no respect for anyone around him-  I do what I want, f. you.  I go where I want, f. you.  You don't like me here, f. you.  Why is Cartman a d.ick?

I would rather live with men, then kill them.  If morality, rather than blanket respect, is your motivator: You would rather kill men, then live with them- by definition (morality changes with time and place and group).
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on November 30, 2011, 08:35:29 AM
Stop the WWII comparison.  Its ridiculous and an obvious attempt to seek legitimacy.  Such a stretch, as to be totally unrelated (apples and oranges).  I don't want to hear about Hitler again in a conversation about unprovoked distant invasions justified through changing (thus false) political arguments.

Does an "mlk" world mean a "Martin Luther King world"?  If, so- WHAT!
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on November 30, 2011, 01:52:52 PM
Let me make it simple on you.

Do you think that the Kurds in northern Iraq are better off as a community in the present day or were they better off under the rule of saddam Hussein?

Aye know you have issues with bush...so try to answer honestly.

Yes,Martin l. King is mlk...and aye'm drawing you to his eutopian endgame...which would be wonderful, btw.


Stop the WWII comparison.  Its ridiculous and an obvious attempt to seek legitimacy.  Such a stretch, as to be totally unrelated (apples and oranges).  I don't want to hear about Hitler again in a conversation about unprovoked distant invasions justified through changing (thus false) political arguments.

Does an "mlk" world mean a "Martin Luther King world"?  If, so- WHAT!
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 01, 2011, 09:43:23 AM
The UN has laws, they broke UN laws. Never said American. That was an assumption.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 01, 2011, 10:45:47 AM
Does the UN have "laws"?  Or guidelines? Where is the global court?  Where is the UN code (there actually is one, but its very very loose).

Assuming the UN does have laws (which they do not really) rather than mutual agreements, I will say this one last time.  This is getting absurd. THERE WERE NO WMDs IN IRAQ.  THE US INVADED AND CONQUERED A COUNTRY OVER FALSE PRETENSES, KILLING 100s OF 1000s OF PEOPLE.  Is that illegal under UN law or is it a case of the ape with the biggest stick? 

As to the Kurds, Blue, I'm sure they are better off.  I don't begrudge them.  But. if you want to invade every country on the planet who mistreats weaker groups you will have to invade more countries than the 7 or so we have invaded in the past decade, several of which were severe cause horrible casualties. Helping one small group who is besieged is a poor argument for such extreme measure taken by the US considering the huge numbers of mistreated groups out there.

A larger point is that helping the Kurds was an argument employed to cover the fact the original reason for invasion was a guess that turned out to be wrong, there were no WMDs in Iraq (why do I have too keep repeating this).  It was the Whitehouse's cop out argument when they figured out they f.ed up and suddenly there were 100k+ American service members in Iraq and thousands were dead.  Better than saying- "whoops", I'll give you that.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 01, 2011, 12:46:00 PM
THERE WERE NO WMDs IN IRAQ.  THE US INVADED AND CONQUERED A COUNTRY OVER FALSE PRETENSES, KILLING 100s OF 1000s OF PEOPLE.  There were no wmds involved in other operations...eg we just went into libya...no wmds...you are hung up on that one area where you feel you were duped

As to the Kurds, Blue, I'm sure they are better off.  I don't begrudge them.  That was my point, thank you and it's not like the USA did not have interests in the Kurdish regionBut. if you want to invade every country on the planet who mistreats weaker groups you will have to invade more countries than the 7 or so we have invaded in the past decade, several of which were severe cause horrible casualties. Helping one small group who is besieged is a poor argument for such extreme measure taken by the US considering the huge numbers of mistreated groups out there. is that another scale?....it might have been nice to help out the furs in sudan...that's a big whoops.

A larger point is that helping the Kurds was an argument employed to cover the fact the original reason for invasion was a guess that turned out to be wrong, there were no WMDs in Iraq (why do I have too keep repeating this).History will forget that this was the "cover" for continuing operations after Clinton was unsuccessful..because many smart people believe that we weren't finished after first gulf war operations...because some think the cover was reason enough....the scales were tipped too heavily agains the regimes survival..and Hussein did not help his cause..after all...ha was asked to step down...genocide in the usas area where we have interests would have been enough...except for people like you and people who feel they were duped...history generally falls on the side of the oppressed...and against folks like the nazs and husseins...sorry, my man  It was the Whitehouse's cop out argument You just don't like "w" s copout is your opinionwhen they figured out they f.ed up and suddenly there were 100k+ American service members in Iraq and thousands were dead.  Better than saying- "whoops", I'll give you that.Cheney and w don't say whoops... they feel that the success of the people who live there"Kurds"...and replacing a murdering tyrant who is no longer a threat to the region IS success, sorry you feel different

Do yourself a favor...find where the history book is starting to be written..Kurds have been viewed as victims but adversarial as well...many facets here..but Hussein regime was the primary problem...not wmds...wmds were only a part of it...Hussein was a HUGE threat to the region...no getting around it...history is proving that.
Look up Iraqi Kurdistan and try not to be so caught up with bush jr.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on December 02, 2011, 07:06:25 PM

Typically I view BlueWarriors posts as a bunch of weird rambling gibberish (that indigo thing is weird dude, it makes you sound crazy), but he has made some really good arguments and solid points in this thread.

The Hussein regime had to go one way or another.  It was a pure evil genocidal, ruthless regime that was a major ongoing threat to the lives of millions of ordinary people trying to live in the area as well as to stability and the possibility of peace in the middle east.  The number of people that suffered daily and that were killed by him/his regime over several decades is mind boggling.  Countless people, even many of his top inner circle people over the years were summarily executed on a whim or because of a sudden mood swing without second thought. 

One example of the ruthlessness of the family is that one of the sons had a star player of the national soccer team executed on the spot (on the field in the stadium) after missing a goal shot or making a bad kick or something like that.  The son was unhappy about the missed kick and ordered his goons to immediately shoot the player in the head right there on the field after the play in front of the crowd.

Hussein had gathered more wealth than 1000s of people could burn through to have a comfortable life in 100s of lifetimes while he left well over 99% of the population of the country with virtually nothing, having to struggle to have basic necessities such as food and shelter each day and living in constant fear of being executed on the spot on a whim.  With the wealth he accumulated while he left the population living in squalor and constant fear of death he built around 28 giant palaces (of the size that it would take years to even visit and hang out in each room of one for a little bit of time), many of which he never even stepped foot in. 

Saddam was given many many chances over several decades to change his ways but instead basically just said F-ck you world and kept killing and taking and oppressing.  He was given the opportunity numerous times to step down and take off with his mind bending amounts of wealth to just go somewhere, chill and enjoy it.  He choose not to do that because he loved the thrill of power and killing people whenever he felt like it. 

The world is a much better place now that he and his sons are gone IMHO. I'm not a fan of the death penalty and would rather he be rotting in a small high security -no escape possible- cell somewhere though, but I'm happy that it was done with a fair full public trial, unlike how Gaddafi was taken out. 

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 06, 2011, 02:33:44 PM
kurds = turds.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on December 07, 2011, 02:14:58 PM
nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-X

kurds = turds.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 10, 2011, 09:51:00 PM

You got Excellent visceral examples...sorry

 when it seems my writing feels like a cloudy gibberish view.


Typically I view BlueWarriors posts as a bunch of weird rambling gibberish (that indigo thing is weird dude, it makes you sound crazy), but he has made some really good arguments and solid points in this thread.

The Hussein regime had to go one way or another.  It was a pure evil genocidal, ruthless regime that was a major ongoing threat to the lives of millions of ordinary people trying to live in the area as well as to stability and the possibility of peace in the middle east.  The number of people that suffered daily and that were killed by him/his regime over several decades is mind boggling.  Countless people, even many of his top inner circle people over the years were summarily executed on a whim or because of a sudden mood swing without second thought. 

One example of the ruthlessness of the family is that one of the sons had a star player of the national soccer team executed on the spot (on the field in the stadium) after missing a goal shot or making a bad kick or something like that.  The son was unhappy about the missed kick and ordered his goons to immediately shoot the player in the head right there on the field after the play in front of the crowd.

Hussein had gathered more wealth than 1000s of people could burn through to have a comfortable life in 100s of lifetimes while he left well over 99% of the population of the country with virtually nothing, having to struggle to have basic necessities such as food and shelter each day and living in constant fear of being executed on the spot on a whim.  With the wealth he accumulated while he left the population living in squalor and constant fear of death he built around 28 giant palaces (of the size that it would take years to even visit and hang out in each room of one for a little bit of time), many of which he never even stepped foot in. 

Saddam was given many many chances over several decades to change his ways but instead basically just said F-ck you world and kept killing and taking and oppressing.  He was given the opportunity numerous times to step down and take off with his mind bending amounts of wealth to just go somewhere, chill and enjoy it.  He choose not to do that because he loved the thrill of power and killing people whenever he felt like it. 

The world is a much better place now that he and his sons are gone IMHO. I'm not a fan of the death penalty and would rather he be rotting in a small high security -no escape possible- cell somewhere though, but I'm happy that it was done with a fair full public trial, unlike how Gaddafi was taken out. 


nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-X

kurds = turds.

Aye agree.

This guy jul fen is bit o bigot.

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 11, 2011, 12:45:39 PM
nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-X

kurds = turds.

nah.  no easy rhymes there.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 11, 2011, 12:46:27 PM

You got Excellent visceral examples...sorry

 when it seems my writing feels like a cloudy gibberish view.


Typically I view BlueWarriors posts as a bunch of weird rambling gibberish (that indigo thing is weird dude, it makes you sound crazy), but he has made some really good arguments and solid points in this thread.

The Hussein regime had to go one way or another.  It was a pure evil genocidal, ruthless regime that was a major ongoing threat to the lives of millions of ordinary people trying to live in the area as well as to stability and the possibility of peace in the middle east.  The number of people that suffered daily and that were killed by him/his regime over several decades is mind boggling.  Countless people, even many of his top inner circle people over the years were summarily executed on a whim or because of a sudden mood swing without second thought. 

One example of the ruthlessness of the family is that one of the sons had a star player of the national soccer team executed on the spot (on the field in the stadium) after missing a goal shot or making a bad kick or something like that.  The son was unhappy about the missed kick and ordered his goons to immediately shoot the player in the head right there on the field after the play in front of the crowd.

Hussein had gathered more wealth than 1000s of people could burn through to have a comfortable life in 100s of lifetimes while he left well over 99% of the population of the country with virtually nothing, having to struggle to have basic necessities such as food and shelter each day and living in constant fear of being executed on the spot on a whim.  With the wealth he accumulated while he left the population living in squalor and constant fear of death he built around 28 giant palaces (of the size that it would take years to even visit and hang out in each room of one for a little bit of time), many of which he never even stepped foot in. 

Saddam was given many many chances over several decades to change his ways but instead basically just said F-ck you world and kept killing and taking and oppressing.  He was given the opportunity numerous times to step down and take off with his mind bending amounts of wealth to just go somewhere, chill and enjoy it.  He choose not to do that because he loved the thrill of power and killing people whenever he felt like it. 

The world is a much better place now that he and his sons are gone IMHO. I'm not a fan of the death penalty and would rather he be rotting in a small high security -no escape possible- cell somewhere though, but I'm happy that it was done with a fair full public trial, unlike how Gaddafi was taken out. 


nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-X

kurds = turds.

Aye agree.

This guy jul fen is bit o bigot.

not forget tact and diplomacy, you stupid goatfucker.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 14, 2011, 03:53:51 PM

You got Excellent visceral examples...sorry

 when it seems my writing feels like a cloudy gibberish view.


Typically I view BlueWarriors posts as a bunch of weird rambling gibberish (that indigo thing is weird dude, it makes you sound crazy), but he has made some really good arguments and solid points in this thread.

The Hussein regime had to go one way or another.  It was a pure evil genocidal, ruthless regime that was a major ongoing threat to the lives of millions of ordinary people trying to live in the area as well as to stability and the possibility of peace in the middle east.  The number of people that suffered daily and that were killed by him/his regime over several decades is mind boggling.  Countless people, even many of his top inner circle people over the years were summarily executed on a whim or because of a sudden mood swing without second thought. 

One example of the ruthlessness of the family is that one of the sons had a star player of the national soccer team executed on the spot (on the field in the stadium) after missing a goal shot or making a bad kick or something like that.  The son was unhappy about the missed kick and ordered his goons to immediately shoot the player in the head right there on the field after the play in front of the crowd.

Hussein had gathered more wealth than 1000s of people could burn through to have a comfortable life in 100s of lifetimes while he left well over 99% of the population of the country with virtually nothing, having to struggle to have basic necessities such as food and shelter each day and living in constant fear of being executed on the spot on a whim.  With the wealth he accumulated while he left the population living in squalor and constant fear of death he built around 28 giant palaces (of the size that it would take years to even visit and hang out in each room of one for a little bit of time), many of which he never even stepped foot in. 

Saddam was given many many chances over several decades to change his ways but instead basically just said F-ck you world and kept killing and taking and oppressing.  He was given the opportunity numerous times to step down and take off with his mind bending amounts of wealth to just go somewhere, chill and enjoy it.  He choose not to do that because he loved the thrill of power and killing people whenever he felt like it. 

The world is a much better place now that he and his sons are gone IMHO. I'm not a fan of the death penalty and would rather he be rotting in a small high security -no escape possible- cell somewhere though, but I'm happy that it was done with a fair full public trial, unlike how Gaddafi was taken out. 


nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-X

kurds = turds.

Aye agree.

This guy jul fen is bit o bigot.

not forget tact and diplomacy, you stupid goatfucker.

Aye'm not sure who you are responding to...so aye'll take a poke at it...first of all that's Mister stupid goatfucher for you...okay?

Tact and you? Diplomacy toward you? Funny...mmlol.

u had chance, you smarmy buttwhol.

Tough to take down tyrants like hitler, hussein and quadafi without force...recently they asked quadafi to step down"pretty please"....you saw how that worked out...quadafi was hiding in a tube with a gold revolver when they found him, right.????  Err tact didn't work nor diplomacy.

U not bigot? Thoughts on undocumented workers?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 14, 2011, 03:59:21 PM
     you such twit.  you make sound like you found them.

     back to your star wars play figures.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 14, 2011, 07:25:39 PM
Hmmm

 THEY ask him to step down.  YOU go and kill him?  NOT your place, but THEIRS.  KILLING people is BAD. DON'T kill people unless YOU have to.  YOU don't have to.  You seem to NOT understand that. Maybe its better for some groups, but YOU still KILLED people. Caps ARE silly.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you need to listen to Ron Paul.  I might rather put up with the rest of his craziness if we would just stop invading people- for the love of f.uck.

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 15, 2011, 04:18:35 AM
blueidiot not going understand that.  it believe in killing, so long as others do bleeding.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 18, 2011, 10:28:27 AM
     you such twit.  you make sound like you found them.

     back to your star wars play figures.

Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them?  Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors

And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?,  u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 18, 2011, 10:36:01 AM
Hmmm

 THEY ask him to step down.  YOU go and kill him?  NOT your place, but THEIRS.  KILLING people is BAD. DON'T kill people unless YOU have to.  YOU don't have to.  You seem to NOT understand that. Maybe its better for some groups, but YOU still KILLED people. Caps ARE silly.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you need to listen to Ron Paul.  I might rather put up with the rest of his craziness if we would just stop invading people- for the love of f.uck.


Isolationists fade.....oppressed peoples  rise... We live in a global community and sometimes others ak for help.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on December 18, 2011, 12:13:44 PM

Bluewarrior,

For once in the last ~six years I've been reading this board you made a little sense in a few posts in this thread with decent writing/grammar, spelling, reasoning and morality.  Unfortunately it appears those posts were the result of brief fleeting moments of mental clarity, after which you quickly degenerated back into talking like a pirate mode.

Pick a theme.  Are you going with being a Pirate, a Jedi or a robot constructed by a Sith lord? The aye aye and other Pirates of the Caribbean themed phrasing in your posts is childish. Do you know that real life pirates, past and present, are evil violent ruthless people?

I agree with Julie that you should lay off playing with the video games, fantasy movies and action figures for a while.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 18, 2011, 01:44:48 PM
     you such twit.  you make sound like you found them.

     back to your star wars play figures.

Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them?  Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors

And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?,  u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.

you "got" to julie in way coackroach julie squash got to julie.

you just spot on sidewalk, dipshit.

and since when julie oppose world war ii, asshat?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 18, 2011, 07:43:31 PM

Bluewarrior,

For once in the last ~six years I've been reading this board you made a little sense in a few posts in this thread with decent writing/grammar, spelling, reasoning and morality.  Unfortunately it appears those posts were the result of brief fleeting moments of mental clarity, after which you quickly degenerated back into talking like a pirate mode.

Pick a theme.  Are you going with being a Pirate, a Jedi or a robot constructed by a Sith lord? The aye aye and other Pirates of the Caribbean themed phrasing in your posts is childish. Do you know that real life pirates, past and present, are evil violent ruthless people?

I agree with Julie that you should lay off playing with the video games, fantasy movies and action figures for a while.

From Trinidad,mon. Ef ya don like mah writing ya not get me.  Aye been jawin fah years like dis...sorry aye shake ya but obfuscation needs an anchor...

Aye don think tyrants should oppress people...we have no need for saddam Hussein and we had no need for hitler.....

Someone had to do the dirty work....Some isolationists are selfish cowards...
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 18, 2011, 07:56:06 PM
Temper temper...u think ww2 big mistake too...all those guns and bullets...u think fdr warmonger...it documented on this board..that why u no credibility.
 U not even know who Kurds r til bluie tel u.


Hell... U think us civil war big mistake....
Look in mirror...now that might b mistake.
 ;D

     you such twit.  you make sound like you found them.

     back to your star wars play figures.

Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them?  Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors

And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?,  u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.

you "got" to julie in way coackroach julie squash got to julie.

you just spot on sidewalk, dipshit.

and since when julie oppose world war ii, asshat?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 18, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Kim jong il dead...that is a step in right direction....

Wow....no military needed to take him down....uh oh, though...

Did he have a sons?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 19, 2011, 04:34:41 AM
Temper temper...u think ww2 big mistake too...all those guns and bullets...u think fdr warmonger...it documented on this board..that why u no credibility.
 U not even know who Kurds r til bluie tel u.


Hell... U think us civil war big mistake....
Look in mirror...now that might b mistake.
 ;D

     you such twit.  you make sound like you found them.

     back to your star wars play figures.

Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them?  Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors

And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?,  u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.

you "got" to julie in way coackroach julie squash got to julie.

you just spot on sidewalk, dipshit.

and since when julie oppose world war ii, asshat?

did spot on sidewalk speak?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 19, 2011, 01:35:52 PM
Chuck, that was fleeting support.  You ended up hurting Blue more than helping him and forced him to use up resources to accommodate you. An analogy for the U.S. invasion of  Iraq perhaps?

The "aye" thing is pretty silly, btw.  Hard to sound like anything but a fool when talking like a pirate.  Dodgeball on ESPN 8, the Ocho, tapped into pirate idiocy well.  Arrrrrggggg, I'm a pirate me maties.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 19, 2011, 05:11:29 PM
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 19, 2011, 05:43:49 PM
No rebuttal?  And no one is speaking here....if you are reading it then it is written.

Aye know you slow. :)




Temper temper...u think ww2 big mistake too...all those guns and bullets...u think fdr warmonger...it documented on this board..that why u no credibility.
 U not even know who Kurds r til bluie tel u.


Hell... U think us civil war big mistake....
Look in mirror...now that might b mistake.
 ;D

     you such twit.  you make sound like you found them.

     back to your star wars play figures.

Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them?  Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors

And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?,  u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.

you "got" to julie in way coackroach julie squash got to julie.

you just spot on sidewalk, dipshit.

and since when julie oppose world war ii, asshat?

did spot on sidewalk speak?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 19, 2011, 06:14:23 PM
You keep forgetting the history and timeline...Hussein invaded quwait...our initial operation was our business...Clinton and our armed services continued ongoing operations there...bush jr. continued operations there with armed services and accomplished the task of removing the military regime...and initiated redeployment and drawdown...and guess what?  The people who live there "our interests" are thriving today...


Your argument is nice...but not based in reality...sometimes force is necessary for a greater good...and sometimes it is necessary to use military action against a military tyrant...

Here is why aye write that your argument is nice....why should anyone be killed by an oppressive government? Why should there be killing at all?  Why should anyone have to be rescued by another country or government.

...if there has been another way throughout history to have a military regime step down and a tyrant willingly give up his power through anything but military action aye challenge you to provide a list because aye doubt you can find much.

...and you already acknowledged the benefits the Kurds are doubling down on because of our operations in Iraq....if aye'm not mistaken--that is a GOOD thing---so, thank you.



Hmmm

 THEY ask him to step down.  YOU go and kill him?  NOT your place, but THEIRS.  KILLING people is BAD. DON'T kill people unless YOU have to.  YOU don't have to.  You seem to NOT understand that. Maybe its better for some groups, but YOU still KILLED people. Caps ARE silly.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you need to listen to Ron Paul.  I might rather put up with the rest of his craziness if we would just stop invading people- for the love of f.uck.

Seriously, man Ron Paul is not crazy...he is a constitutionalist.  Aye would enjoy seeing him debate Obama... Aye think Paul would make a great cic.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 19, 2011, 06:40:31 PM
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.

No, not entirely nothing...you think aye'm blueidiot, at very least---that something.

But you known as bigot by many. ;)


So why was ww2 a mistake again?
Why was us civil war a mistake again?

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on December 19, 2011, 08:12:44 PM
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.

(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/yeahthat.gif) +65535 since Blue probably only has 64K RAM brain capacity to work with at any given moment. If we throw in and count zero, then +65536

One of my theories about Blue is that he is locked up in a long term care facility that allows patients to have internet access, daily movies, cable TV, video games, newspapers, etc. to keep them occupied doing something during hours they are awake.

I'm not sure about why him and Julie Fern have such a strong long term animosity filled bond.  Maybe they dated or slept together at some point and Julie had Blue committed, I have no idea, it's just a theory.

Bluewarrior, you write and post a lot of text in a manic way.  Almost all of it is rambling indecipherable gibberish.  It appears the educational system in Trinidad failed you and/or you failed it.

! B L U E WAR R I O R..!, another reminder, please take a time-out break to lay off playing video games that are all about violence and killing people/things for a while.  ok?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 20, 2011, 06:11:38 AM
julie have issues with blueidiot because he, ...well, idiot.

sometimes it just that simple.

julie think his only sex partners republicans or goats.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 20, 2011, 09:17:35 PM
Aye could be just toying with writing my man.


he not known as blueidiot for nothing.

(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/yeahthat.gif) +65535 since Blue probably only has 64K RAM brain capacity to work with at any given moment. If we throw in and count zero, then +65536

One of my theories about Blue is that he is locked up in a long term care facility that allows patients to have internet access, daily movies, cable TV, video games, newspapers, etc. to keep them occupied doing something during hours they are awake.

I'm not sure about why him and Julie Fern have such a strong long term animosity filled bond.  Maybe they dated or slept together at some point and Julie had Blue committed, I have no idea, it's just a theory.

Bluewarrior, you write and post a lot of text in a manic way.  Almost all of it is rambling indecipherable gibberish.  It appears the educational system in Trinidad failed you and/or you failed it.

! B L U E WAR R I O R..!, another reminder, please take a time-out break to lay off playing video games that are all about violence and killing people/things for a while.  ok?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 21, 2011, 05:04:33 AM
julie know exactly with what you toying.

now go wash hands.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on December 21, 2011, 05:21:37 PM

Aye could be just toying with writing my man.


(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/hmsign.gif)

You don't seem to be getting any better at writing text that is understandable or that makes sense. What is the problem? (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/confused-smiley-013.gif)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 22, 2011, 05:01:42 AM
never try negotiate with blueidiot.  and certainly not shake its hand.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 23, 2011, 10:36:28 AM
Blue,

Julie is abusing me too and making me cry.  Will you ask the Americans to invade her for me.  Before they go broke from invading too many people.  We need to jump on this quick.  Saddam might have been better to deal with. :'(
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 23, 2011, 03:59:25 PM
You keep forgetting the history and timeline...Hussein invaded quwait...our initial operation was our business...Clinton and our armed services continued ongoing operations there...bush jr. continued operations there with armed services and accomplished the task of removing the military regime...and initiated redeployment and drawdown...and guess what?  The people who live there "our interests" are thriving today...


Your argument is nice...but not based in reality...sometimes force is necessary for a greater good...and sometimes it is necessary to use military action against a military tyrant...

Here is why aye write that your argument is nice....why should anyone be killed by an oppressive government? Why should there be killing at all?  Why should anyone have to be rescued by another country or government.

...if there has been another way throughout history to have a military regime step down and a tyrant willingly give up his power through anything but military action aye challenge you to provide a list because aye doubt you can find much.

...and you already acknowledged the benefits the Kurds are doubling down on because of our operations in Iraq....if aye'm not mistaken--that is a GOOD thing---so, thank you.



Hmmm

 THEY ask him to step down.  YOU go and kill him?  NOT your place, but THEIRS.  KILLING people is BAD. DON'T kill people unless YOU have to.  YOU don't have to.  You seem to NOT understand that. Maybe its better for some groups, but YOU still KILLED people. Caps ARE silly.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you need to listen to Ron Paul.  I might rather put up with the rest of his craziness if we would just stop invading people- for the love of f.uck.

Seriously, man Ron Paul is not crazy...he is a constitutionalist.  Aye would enjoy seeing him debate Obama... Aye think Paul would make a great cic.

yes, in same way gump would make good brain surgeon.

anyway, paul probably not willing wage war against all tyrants your choosing, so you be disappointed.

of course, apparently he willing take on gays, jews, and blacks.  it all question of what you want support.

which republicans you blowing these days?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 23, 2011, 04:01:01 PM
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.

No, not entirely nothing...you think aye'm blueidiot, at very least---that something.

But you known as bigot by many. ;)


So why was ww2 a mistake again?
Why was us civil war a mistake again?

julie admit bigotry against warmongering numbnuts like you.

if you ever fight with anything except toys, perhaps you see point little better.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 23, 2011, 04:02:12 PM

Aye could be just toying with writing my man.


(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/hmsign.gif)

You don't seem to be getting any better at writing text that is understandable or that makes sense. What is the problem? (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/confused-smiley-013.gif)

julie think maybe he dropped on head as infant...and then battered with ax handle.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 23, 2011, 04:03:21 PM
Blue,

Julie is abusing me too and making me cry.  Will you ask the Americans to invade her for me.  Before they go broke from invading too many people.  We need to jump on this quick.  Saddam might have been better to deal with. :'(

there you go with crying again.  maybe you and blueidiot shoud get your periods in synch.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 23, 2011, 06:22:02 PM
Oh we're synched. So synched.  Wonderfully synched. Marvelously synched. You need a hug?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 24, 2011, 06:21:34 AM
first, you get deloused.

then...no.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 24, 2011, 10:52:04 AM
Awww. I'm trying to stop crying.  I want to get synched with you Julie.  I need a new goat.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 24, 2011, 12:14:39 PM
julie sure your old one happy give you up.

be sure get your shots.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 24, 2011, 12:52:59 PM
That looks like a yes.  Oh JOY.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 24, 2011, 07:42:03 PM
maybe you can can share blueidiot's she-goat.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 29, 2011, 06:46:42 AM
Your splinter of observation vociferous
Wilts with flimsy musings and theory laughingly ridiculous.
Aye stretched the exposition branch which you seemed to grasp, but naive, you grouse.
If comprehension marks the brilliant against the sap then information's trunk for you remains untapped, unless...
you lumber with words and sit in suspension on judgement's fickle limb you'll not rouse,
But remain hindered; hidden beneath the towerring bark, an insignificant louse.
Aye saw a chain firing under this word-house...
do you hear the timber?

 ;)

Lmfao!

he not known as blueidiot for nothing.

(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/yeahthat.gif) +65535 since Blue probably only has 64K RAM brain capacity to work with at any given moment. If we throw in and count zero, then +65536

One of my theories about Blue is that he is locked up in a long term care facility that allows patients to have internet access, daily movies, cable TV, video games, newspapers, etc. to keep them occupied doing something during hours they are awake.

I'm not sure about why him and Julie Fern have such a strong long term animosity filled bond.  Maybe they dated or slept together at some point and Julie had Blue committed, I have no idea, it's just a theory.

Bluewarrior, you write and post a lot of text in a manic way.  Almost all of it is rambling indecipherable gibberish.  It appears the educational system in Trinidad failed you and/or you failed it.

! B L U E WAR R I O R..!, another reminder, please take a time-out break to lay off playing video games that are all about violence and killing people/things for a while.  ok?

oh my.  it even worse than we suspected.

dipshit.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 29, 2011, 07:22:32 AM
Is that Frost?.....or indecipherable gibberish? The pirate talk makes it fuzzy. Arrrrrrrrr.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 29, 2011, 05:47:10 PM
he like it fuzzy, plus with beard and horns.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 29, 2011, 07:09:54 PM
Who doesn't?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 30, 2011, 12:02:26 PM
that not majority even in indiana.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 30, 2011, 03:24:21 PM
Your splinter of observation vociferous
Wilts with flimsy musings and theory laughingly ridiculous.
Aye stretched the exposition branch which you seemed to grasp, but naive, you grouse.
If comprehension marks the brilliant against the sap then information's trunk for you remains untapped, unless...
you lumber with words and sit in suspension on judgement's fickle limb you'll not rouse,
But remain hindered; hidden beneath the towerring bark, an insignificant louse.
Aye saw a chain firing under this word-house...
do you hear the timber?

 ;)

Lmfao!

he not known as blueidiot for nothing.

(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/yeahthat.gif) +65535 since Blue probably only has 64K RAM brain capacity to work with at any given moment. If we throw in and count zero, then +65536

One of my theories about Blue is that he is locked up in a long term care facility that allows patients to have internet access, daily movies, cable TV, video games, newspapers, etc. to keep them occupied doing something during hours they are awake.

I'm not sure about why him and Julie Fern have such a strong long term animosity filled bond.  Maybe they dated or slept together at some point and Julie had Blue committed, I have no idea, it's just a theory.

Bluewarrior, you write and post a lot of text in a manic way.  Almost all of it is rambling indecipherable gibberish.  It appears the educational system in Trinidad failed you and/or you failed it.

! B L U E WAR R I O R..!, another reminder, please take a time-out break to lay off playing video games that are all about violence and killing people/things for a while.  ok?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 30, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
Is that Frost?.....or indecipherable gibberish? The pirate talk makes it fuzzy. Arrrrrrrrr.

Frost?  Interesting....

Read it then see if it is indecipherable....is that difficult?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on December 30, 2011, 09:06:12 PM

For Blue:

(http://chicktech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/1293-double-facepalm-fail-star_trek.jpg)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 31, 2011, 01:09:43 AM
...aye expected a puerile response from you...and you are a tad predictable.

...can't read poetry can you? Pity.  :D

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on December 31, 2011, 06:16:15 AM
A Star Trek put down. Fantastic!
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on December 31, 2011, 11:43:07 AM
Thanks for the compliment. 8)
Frost is great.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on December 31, 2011, 11:55:29 AM
you always own biggest fan.

putz.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on January 04, 2012, 08:48:28 PM
Can 't help it if the poem stumped Chuck...and made fortook think it was frost...

...very, very funny...
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on January 05, 2012, 09:46:35 AM

Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:

(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)

BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish. 
Your supposed poetry couldn't stump anybody since there is nothing to get out of your gibberish. 
Your writing and copy/pasting are just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.
 
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on January 05, 2012, 10:22:37 AM
Can 't help it if the poem stumped Chuck...and made fortook think it was frost...

...very, very funny...

you mistake obfuscation for depth.

twit.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on January 05, 2012, 10:42:15 AM
Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.

Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words.  Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours.  'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)

I hope you can decipher this last post?




Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:

(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)

BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish. 
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish. 
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.


Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on January 05, 2012, 11:03:36 AM
My man, aye know you are stupid but the dude thought it was a frost poem.

Wake up.



Can 't help it if the poem stumped Chuck...and made fortook think it was frost...

...very, very funny...

you mistake obfuscation for depth.

twit.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on January 05, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
meh Blue.  Of course I didn't think it was Frost.  Wasted sarcasm.  I know that poem was written by Chaucer, uh duh.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on January 06, 2012, 12:34:25 AM
meh Blue.  Of course I didn't think it was Frost.  Wasted sarcasm.  I know that poem was written by Chaucer, uh duh.

Aye got a kick out of it too, mon...maybe more than you.  :)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on January 06, 2012, 06:31:49 AM
Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.

Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words.  Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours.  'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)

I hope you can decipher this last post?




Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:

(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)

BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish. 
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish. 
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.


Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)

only way you make money on writing if someone pay you stop.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on January 06, 2012, 06:32:29 AM
My man, aye know you are stupid but the dude thought it was a frost poem.

Wake up.



Can 't help it if the poem stumped Chuck...and made fortook think it was frost...

...very, very funny...

you mistake obfuscation for depth.

twit.

no one did, you twit.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on January 06, 2012, 04:01:50 PM

Blue,

Have you not yet realized that we are making fun of you because of your poor reading, reasoning, writing and comprehension skills?  Your basic English comprehension, grammar, spelling of simple words and punctuation skills are fifth grade level at best.  Your misinterpretations of most posts/discussions/politics/world events/current news/etc. are also part of what people continue to make fun of you about.

The assertions, conclusions and assumptions you made about me are all incorrect.

Since you brought up the topic and since most of your crazy posts are concentrated here in the off-topic board, I have a question for you.  Have you taken the LSAT and have you attended law school and graduated?  Also, what's with the indigo label you keep using to describe yourself?  Is it a weird cult or an exclusive club or something like that?


Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.

Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words.  Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours.  'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)

I hope you can decipher this last post?




Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:

(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)

BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish. 
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish. 
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.


Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)

BTW, your take on Iraq wasn't brilliant/novel or something that deserves praise, a parade or anything for you.  It's a duh obvious common sense point of view. 
Saddam had to go one way or another since he was a blood thirsty genocidal maniac.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on January 06, 2012, 05:25:23 PM
...you are shooting blanks, buddy.


There is no "we" in what you do...there is you...you can only speak for yourself and just because you can't grasp the meaning of what aye write doesn't mean that someone else can't...you need to work harder to gain comprehension...particularly when someone uses language with which you are unfamiliar...


....sorry to chop your tree down....


...look up the indigos yourself....you really don't understand that...and that is why it and aye irk ya, mon.

...do the research... ;)
...that is my advice to all young, green saplings like yourself.

...aye work on court st. NYC....got my j.d from NYLS....and.believe me that degree is an addition to my trophy collection...aye am a very successful writer...disgustingly successful in fact..but not just with that...among other things...suffice to say that you will probably never ever come close to the adventures overseas that aye have loved and hated...you have a very, very long way to go, my friend....believe it, mon. few people have enjoyed such a juggernaut journey through foreign lands the way aye have...and that is a fact.  Your simple musings are very amusing to me...you unwittingly compare pence to bouillon... And aye read you very well based on the way you phrase things...aye like my anonymity so aye'll continue to wax cryptic...and you will have to decipher...tough shite, grunt. :D


Blue,

Have you not yet realized that we are making fun of you because of your poor reading, reasoning, writing and comprehension skills?  Your basic English comprehension, grammar, spelling of simple words and punctuation skills are fifth grade level at best.  Your misinterpretations of most posts/discussions/politics/world events/current news/etc. are also part of what people continue to make fun of you about.

The assertions, conclusions and assumptions you made about me are all incorrect.

Since you brought up the topic and since most of your crazy posts are concentrated here in the off-topic board, I have a question for you.  Have you taken the LSAT and have you attended law school and graduated?  Also, what's with the indigo label you keep using to describe yourself?  Is it a weird cult or an exclusive club or something like that?


Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.

Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words.  Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours.  'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)

I hope you can decipher this last post?




Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:

(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)

BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish. 
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish. 
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.


Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)

BTW, your take on Iraq wasn't brilliant/novel or something that deserves praise, a parade or anything for you.  It's a duh obvious common sense point of view. 
Saddam had to go one way or another since he was a blood thirsty genocidal maniac.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on January 07, 2012, 05:48:15 AM

The information you posted about yourself explains a lot and supports my point of view about you, especially regarding your terrible writing, grammar, reasoning skills, unwarranted assumptions, nonsensical rants and opinions. 

There is plenty of evidence in your posts to justify Julie Fern repeatedly calling you Blue Idiot. 

Your skills with reading, comprehending and writing English text are horrible.  Maybe your weird ways of communicating with butchered English fly with some people in Brooklyn, but they still suck, as do your reasoning abilities.   For example, you misinterpreted and invalidly criticized my use of the word "we".  In the context it was an appropriate and valid statement.  Myself, Julie Fern and a few others have mocked you in this thread, hence "WE".

You amuse me Blue dude.  Your faulty assumptions and conclusions are entertaining. 

Your poor reasoning skills are partially illustrated by the fact that the best you were able to accomplish was getting into NYLS.
Median LSAT score of admitted students = 154
Median UGPA of admitted students = 3.25
NYLS USNWR 2011 rank = 135 and it is tied with several other schools that are also ranked 135. The lowest numerical rank they assigned is 143.  Law schools below that were not given a numerical rank.

Regarding your indigo nonsense, your head was filled with kind words from your parents/caretakers once they figured out you were 'special' when raising you while you were a child. Short bus to school type of special because they and others (teachers) noticed that there was something wrong/different with you and your behavior compared to most other children.

Quote
Robert Todd Carroll points out that labeling a child an indigo is an alternative to a diagnosis that implies imperfection, damage or mental illness, which may appeal to many parents, a belief echoed by academic psychologists.

Given the choice, who wouldn't rather believe their children are special and chosen for some high mission rather than that they have a brain disorder?

Sorry to give you the bad news dude.

PS:  There is only one courthouse I'm aware of that is off Court Street in Brooklyn, a Federal Bankruptcy Court.  There is also Brooklyn law school, which is a much higher ranked LS than the one you attended.  You working at one of those places or at one of the many retail/food shops on the street?

...you are shooting blanks, buddy.


There is no "we" in what you do...there is you...you can only speak for yourself and just because you can't grasp the meaning of what aye write doesn't mean that someone else can't...you need to work harder to gain comprehension...particularly when someone uses language with which you are unfamiliar...


....sorry to chop your tree down....


...look up the indigos yourself....you really don't understand that...and that is why it and aye irk ya, mon.

...do the research... ;)
...that is my advice to all young, green saplings like yourself.

...aye work on court st. NYC....got my j.d from NYLS....and.believe me that degree is an addition to my trophy collection...aye am a very successful writer...disgustingly successful in fact..but not just with that...among other things...suffice to say that you will probably never ever come close to the adventures overseas that aye have loved and hated...you have a very, very long way to go, my friend....believe it, mon. few people have enjoyed such a juggernaut journey through foreign lands the way aye have...and that is a fact.  Your simple musings are very amusing to me...you unwittingly compare pence to bouillon... And aye read you very well based on the way you phrase things...aye like my anonymity so aye'll continue to wax cryptic...and you will have to decipher...tough shite, grunt. :D


Blue,

Have you not yet realized that we are making fun of you because of your poor reading, reasoning, writing and comprehension skills?  Your basic English comprehension, grammar, spelling of simple words and punctuation skills are fifth grade level at best.  Your misinterpretations of most posts/discussions/politics/world events/current news/etc. are also part of what people continue to make fun of you about.

The assertions, conclusions and assumptions you made about me are all incorrect.

Since you brought up the topic and since most of your crazy posts are concentrated here in the off-topic board, I have a question for you.  Have you taken the LSAT and have you attended law school and graduated?  Also, what's with the indigo label you keep using to describe yourself?  Is it a weird cult or an exclusive club or something like that?


Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.

Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words.  Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours.  'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)

I hope you can decipher this last post?




Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:

(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)

BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish. 
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish. 
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.


Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)

BTW, your take on Iraq wasn't brilliant/novel or something that deserves praise, a parade or anything for you.  It's a duh obvious common sense point of view. 
Saddam had to go one way or another since he was a blood thirsty genocidal maniac.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on January 07, 2012, 06:38:45 AM
Too harsh Chuck. Too harsh and unsubstantiated.  You should know the ranking system is uncompromising BS.  Attacking someone for their choice of law school is weak.

Not saying I'm down with Blue's choice of expression or that I can understand what he is trying to say more than half the time, just that going to NYLS has nothing to do with anything.  Your not too far off from mocking his race, religion or car choice or some other irrelevant poke.  Just sayin.....
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on January 07, 2012, 09:48:22 AM
Too harsh Chuck. Too harsh and unsubstantiated.  You should know the ranking system is uncompromising BS.  Attacking someone for their choice of law school is weak.

Not saying I'm down with Blue's choice of expression or that I can understand what he is trying to say more than half the time, just that going to NYLS has nothing to do with anything.  Your not too far off from mocking his race, religion or car choice or some other irrelevant poke.  Just sayin.....

I disagree.  My opinion is not overly harsh or unsubstantiated. 

The law school ranking systems have some problems but are still pretty good.  There are plenty of much better law schools in the New York area he could have been accepted to if he was qualified to be offered admission.

I never came close to mocking his race or religion or anything like that.

BlueWarrior has posted several personal attacks with accusations, assumptions and conclusions against me that are insulting and completely false. 

I've responded reasonably in a civilized way to some of the nonsense he has posted using verified facts I know to be true.
I haven't resorted to gutter level childish grade school insults founded on baseless assumptions of the type he has thrown at me.

I'm mainly criticizing his terrible writing and rebutting his ridiculous attacks, points of view, and horribly flawed reasoning.

If you have a lot of time to spare (at least a week), read his previous posts that go back several years to get a better picture of him and his perspectives. 
I'm not recommending you do that since it would inevitably lead to you thinking (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/wtf.gif) and wanting to (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/beat_head_table.gif)

He has been starting threads and posting mounds of fairly undecipherable nonsense on this board for many years, almost all of it here in the off topic board.  You can check his user profile info to see his stats overview.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on January 07, 2012, 10:47:49 AM
....it's nice when others back us up in our opinions...like when you agreed with me regarding Iraq....the actual topic of this thread...your support is nice...but aye stand by my own assessment and don't need to weakly bring up your sideline support...aye stand tall by myself...there is no "we" when aye form opinions...aye trust mine without the crutch support of a sapling greenhouse.

..
aye will remind you that the topic of the thread references Iraq...(you want to discuss me in this thread)...aye think you lost focus..got off point...in any case you seem scattered...lol...

Most students take the lsats and go to law school to create a career for themselves...and aye understand that rankings and ratings and school prestige is important to you....aye've been successful with my career for some time now...aye got the degree because aye could...don't really need it and don't know if aye'll ever use it...

....so keep studying...keep researching...keep guessing.

My j.d. is a trophy. :)
.




The information you posted about yourself explains a lot and supports my point of view about you, especially regarding your terrible writing, grammar, reasoning skills, unwarranted assumptions, nonsensical rants and opinions. 

There is plenty of evidence in your posts to justify Julie Fern repeatedly calling you Blue Idiot. 

Your skills with reading, comprehending and writing English text are horrible.  Maybe your weird ways of communicating with butchered English fly with some people in Brooklyn, but they still suck, as do your reasoning abilities.   For example, you misinterpreted and invalidly criticized my use of the word "we".  In the context it was an appropriate and valid statement.  Myself, Julie Fern and a few others have mocked you in this thread, hence "WE".

You amuse me Blue dude.  Your faulty assumptions and conclusions are entertaining. 

Your poor reasoning skills are partially illustrated by the fact that the best you were able to accomplish was getting into NYLS.
Median LSAT score of admitted students = 154
Median UGPA of admitted students = 3.25
NYLS USNWR 2011 rank = 135 and it is tied with several other schools that are also ranked 135. The lowest numerical rank they assigned is 143.  Law schools below that were not given a numerical rank.

Regarding your indigo nonsense, your head was filled with kind words from your parents/caretakers once they figured out you were 'special' when raising you while you were a child. Short bus to school type of special because they and others (teachers) noticed that there was something wrong/different with you and your behavior compared to most other children.

Quote
Robert Todd Carroll points out that labeling a child an indigo is an alternative to a diagnosis that implies imperfection, damage or mental illness, which may appeal to many parents, a belief echoed by academic psychologists.

Given the choice, who wouldn't rather believe their children are special and chosen for some high mission rather than that they have a brain disorder?

Sorry to give you the bad news dude.

PS:  There is only one courthouse I'm aware of that is off Court Street in Brooklyn, a Federal Bankruptcy Court.  There is also Brooklyn law school, which is a much higher ranked LS than the one you attended.  You working at one of those places or at one of the many retail/food shops on the street?

...you are shooting blanks, buddy.


There is no "we" in what you do...there is you...you can only speak for yourself and just because you can't grasp the meaning of what aye write doesn't mean that someone else can't...you need to work harder to gain comprehension...particularly when someone uses language with which you are unfamiliar...


....sorry to chop your tree down....


...look up the indigos yourself....you really don't understand that...and that is why it and aye irk ya, mon.

...do the research... ;)
...that is my advice to all young, green saplings like yourself.

...aye work on court st. NYC....got my j.d from NYLS....and.believe me that degree is an addition to my trophy collection...aye am a very successful writer...disgustingly successful in fact..but not just with that...among other things...suffice to say that you will probably never ever come close to the adventures overseas that aye have loved and hated...you have a very, very long way to go, my friend....believe it, mon. few people have enjoyed such a juggernaut journey through foreign lands the way aye have...and that is a fact.  Your simple musings are very amusing to me...you unwittingly compare pence to bouillon... And aye read you very well based on the way you phrase things...aye like my anonymity so aye'll continue to wax cryptic...and you will have to decipher...tough shite, grunt. :D


Blue,

Have you not yet realized that we are making fun of you because of your poor reading, reasoning, writing and comprehension skills?  Your basic English comprehension, grammar, spelling of simple words and punctuation skills are fifth grade level at best.  Your misinterpretations of most posts/discussions/politics/world events/current news/etc. are also part of what people continue to make fun of you about.

The assertions, conclusions and assumptions you made about me are all incorrect.

Since you brought up the topic and since most of your crazy posts are concentrated here in the off-topic board, I have a question for you.  Have you taken the LSAT and have you attended law school and graduated?  Also, what's with the indigo label you keep using to describe yourself?  Is it a weird cult or an exclusive club or something like that?


Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.

Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words.  Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours.  'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)

I hope you can decipher this last post?




Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:

(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)

BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish. 
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish. 
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.


Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)

BTW, your take on Iraq wasn't brilliant/novel or something that deserves praise, a parade or anything for you.  It's a duh obvious common sense point of view. 
Saddam had to go one way or another since he was a blood thirsty genocidal maniac.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on January 07, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
I'm not giving anyone my support.  I'm not saying he is decipherable or that I agree or even understand him more than %50 of the time- not a shining endorsement.

I was saying: attacking where he went to law school is as arbitrary and fallacious as attacking any other irrelevant aspect (like race or any other unrelated label).  A score he got one morning on an arbitrary test does not make him an idiot (neither does his SATs or tax returns). Writing a poem and thinking I mistook it for Frost does, but that's neither here nor there.

I'm not your enemy Blue, but I don't agree with much of what you argue- doesn't mean irrelevant things about you have anything to do with anything, regardless of their relative intent. 

I guess all I am saying is going to NYLS does not equal wrong, right or spaghetti monster.  Saying such is just weak.  Weak enough to illicit my support? It has been known to happen.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on January 08, 2012, 09:03:30 PM
...up chuck is a nice guy...aye'm not about to handle him the way aye mock and beat the shite out of that bigot on the board...so don't worry about him trying to rip NYLS...

They say living well is revenge enough and aye live better than comfortable...aye do make fun of friends and colleagues who have spent much money and MOSTLY time going to ivy league schools...many of them were sweating in the law library at Yale while aye was sweating my ass off in the far east....aye make fun of them and they have to take it because they really have nothing which compares to a life of adventure...and success planted, nurtured and reaped through personal and independent efforts...these guys got money and aye'm the one slapping down the black metal to pay the check...funny...


...my degree was because aye had the time and thought it would be fun...most of what aye studied is good in theory but not really practical even when one practices law...my degree is a trophy...nice to have...nice, like .up's remarks. ;D

...he can try to poke fun all he wants...it's very amusing...like criticizing the ocean worthiness of a ship which has already left the port and is half way around the earth.

..it's funny..he thinks aye'm the one off a little bit and he's the one who doesn't even know he went off topic..lol..

...learning, he still is the young padwan. ;)





I'm not giving anyone my support.  I'm not saying he is decipherable or that I agree or even understand him more than %50 of the time- not a shining endorsement.

I was saying: attacking where he went to law school is as arbitrary and fallacious as attacking any other irrelevant aspect (like race or any other unrelated label).  A score he got one morning on an arbitrary test does not make him an idiot (neither does his SATs or tax returns). Writing a poem and thinking I mistook it for Frost does, but that's neither here nor there.

I'm not your enemy Blue, but I don't agree with much of what you argue- doesn't mean irrelevant things about you have anything to do with anything, regardless of their relative intent. 

I guess all I am saying is going to NYLS does not equal wrong, right or spaghetti monster.  Saying such is just weak.  Weak enough to illicit my support? It has been known to happen.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on January 10, 2012, 11:44:07 AM

Blue,

Thanks for the backhanded compliment.  :-\

Unfortunately you included more insults, invalid assumptions and conclusions about me.  I appreciate you acknowledging that I'm a nice guy since that is true, but starting off your post by referring to me as up chuck casts doubt on the sincerity of your supposed compliment. 

I agreed with you about certain issues regarding Iraq, Saddam Hussein, his regime, and his family.  You actually wrote a few good posts that weren't in pirate talk, made sense and were understandable.  Most of your other posts are undecipherable because of your weird pirate phrasing, misspellings, and other weird ways of writing. 

It's a bummer you got upset that the thread meandered/derailed a bit from the subject title. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/hijacked.gif)
I'm not sure why you are surprised and complaining about it, especially since you helped cause it with insults and stupid inaccurate accusations. 

Deal with it.  Doing that shouldn't be a challenge for you since you've had adventures all over the world including in the middle east. 
You've been posting a lot of rambling nonsense on this discussion board for years. Hopefully you have also been reading threads other than the ones you've started.
This thread you started going off track a bit shouldn't be an unusual event to you and cause your panties to get in a wad, especially since this is the off topic board.

Switching from pirate talk to posting a quote from Stars Wars to insult me is an impressive demonstration of your wordsmith abilities, creativity and originality. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/tiphat.gif)

Here's a tribute to you and playing with your Star Wars toys:
(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/chewydance.gif)

Maybe you should consider proofreading the text you write every now and then. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/writersblock.gif)
   

 

...up chuck is a nice guy...aye'm not about to handle him the way aye mock and beat the shite out of that bigot on the board...so don't worry about him trying to rip NYLS...

They say living well is revenge enough and aye live better than comfortable...aye do make fun of friends and colleagues who have spent much money and MOSTLY time going to ivy league schools...many of them were sweating in the law library at Yale while aye was sweating my ass off in the far east....aye make fun of them and they have to take it because they really have nothing which compares to a life of adventure...and success planted, nurtured and reaped through personal and independent efforts...these guys got money and aye'm the one slapping down the black metal to pay the check...funny...


...my degree was because aye had the time and thought it would be fun...most of what aye studied is good in theory but not really practical even when one practices law...my degree is a trophy...nice to have...nice, like .up's remarks. ;D

...he can try to poke fun all he wants...it's very amusing...like criticizing the ocean worthiness of a ship which has already left the port and is half way around the earth.

..it's funny..he thinks aye'm the one off a little bit and he's the one who doesn't even know he went off topic..lol..

...learning, he still is the young padwan. ;)

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on January 16, 2012, 02:42:33 PM
maybe he just practicing talk like pirate day.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: winchester buttre on January 18, 2012, 01:19:37 PM
 I think we went off topic here.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: LincolnLover on January 18, 2012, 03:57:16 PM
Welcome to LSD friend.  :)

I think we went off topic here.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on January 18, 2012, 05:51:13 PM
I think we went off topic here.

this off-topic.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 02, 2012, 10:05:19 PM

Aye think it might be your lack of concentration and focused comprehension that made you derail this thread, my man.

Your criticisms of my writing are helpful...aye relish with the thought that you get it...then you're confused...you think you're on a pirate ship and then you get it...and then you get confused...

Very rhythmic.....




Blue,

Thanks for the backhanded compliment.  :-\

Unfortunately you included more insults, invalid assumptions and conclusions about me.  I appreciate you acknowledging that I'm a nice guy since that is true, but starting off your post by referring to me as up chuck casts doubt on the sincerity of your supposed compliment. 

I agreed with you about certain issues regarding Iraq, Saddam Hussein, his regime, and his family.  You actually wrote a few good posts that weren't in pirate talk, made sense and were understandable.  Most of your other posts are undecipherable because of your weird pirate phrasing, misspellings, and other weird ways of writing. 

It's a bummer you got upset that the thread meandered/derailed a bit from the subject title. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/hijacked.gif)
I'm not sure why you are surprised and complaining about it, especially since you helped cause it with insults and stupid inaccurate accusations. 

Deal with it.  Doing that shouldn't be a challenge for you since you've had adventures all over the world including in the middle east. 
You've been posting a lot of rambling nonsense on this discussion board for years. Hopefully you have also been reading threads other than the ones you've started.
This thread you started going off track a bit shouldn't be an unusual event to you and cause your panties to get in a wad, especially since this is the off topic board.

Switching from pirate talk to posting a quote from Stars Wars to insult me is an impressive demonstration of your wordsmith abilities, creativity and originality. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/tiphat.gif)

Here's a tribute to you and playing with your Star Wars toys:
(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/chewydance.gif)

Maybe you should consider proofreading the text you write every now and then. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/writersblock.gif)
   

 

...up chuck is a nice guy...aye'm not about to handle him the way aye mock and beat the shite out of that bigot on the board...so don't worry about him trying to rip NYLS...

They say living well is revenge enough and aye live better than comfortable...aye do make fun of friends and colleagues who have spent much money and MOSTLY time going to ivy league schools...many of them were sweating in the law library at Yale while aye was sweating my ass off in the far east....aye make fun of them and they have to take it because they really have nothing which compares to a life of adventure...and success planted, nurtured and reaped through personal and independent efforts...these guys got money and aye'm the one slapping down the black metal to pay the check...funny...


...my degree was because aye had the time and thought it would be fun...most of what aye studied is good in theory but not really practical even when one practices law...my degree is a trophy...nice to have...nice, like .up's remarks. ;D

...he can try to poke fun all he wants...it's very amusing...like criticizing the ocean worthiness of a ship which has already left the port and is half way around the earth.

..it's funny..he thinks aye'm the one off a little bit and he's the one who doesn't even know he went off topic..lol..

...learning, he still is the young padwan. ;)

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 13, 2012, 04:57:40 PM
putz.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 19, 2012, 11:20:51 AM
...let's get back on topic

Northern Iraq is solidifying business ties with Canada.

We  call Iraq and it's transformation from a dictatorship to democracy the Vernal equinox of the "arab spring awakening".

Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 19, 2012, 11:28:16 AM
I don't buy that argument blue, but its not a bad one-  you're getting better with the justification argument change ups.  Only problem is argument change ups = bad previous arguments and suspect future arguments. 

Sadly, Iraq was a colossal failure and the U.S. gov is starting to admit it.  I really hope Canada can do some good there- with trade, not war btw.  The Americans really f.ed up the Iraqis sh.t. :(
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 19, 2012, 11:38:57 AM
I don't buy that argument blue, but its not a bad one-  you're getting better with the justification argument change ups.  Only problem is argument change ups = bad previous arguments and suspect future arguments. 

Sadly, Iraq was a colossal failure and the U.S. gov is starting to admit it.  I really hope Canada can do some good there- with trade, not war btw.  The Americans really f.ed up the Iraqis sh.t. :(


A great amount of what is happening in northern Iraq has been under reported....so, those of us who get our information from middle east outlets and other business reports know that the operations in Iraq by the USA freed up the entire population in the north.  Canada, Scotland, and the USA are developing business ties on an exponential scale in Iraq.  If you follow the history the outcomes in Iraq are positive changes....this is increasing everyday..


If you seriously want to understand more read some Kurdish periodicals...eg."the Kurdish globe"

This will turn out to be an issue like the naysayers of ww2....and isolationists.


You can continue to say that Iraq is a mess....You'd be wrong because you don't choose to see what is happening in northern Iraq.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 19, 2012, 11:51:29 AM
Please stop comparing Iraq to WWII.  Its like comparing some modern political fool, who is largely inconsequential in the scope of time and forgotten in a generation to someone as important as JC.

I'm not an isolationist, I just don't like any war, especially war that is unnecessary or avoidable.  Iraq was a blunder because the reasons for it, progressively, have been either bunk or lies- that is the problem, not the outcome.

So, say you are right, Iraq is a place of flowers and sunshine and life is really better for the people there.  Its not true but for arguments sake.  Even so, the Iraq war was still wrong, ill advised and folly.  Because there was no reason for it, not because after a decade of warfare and 100,000s dead the people there now are better off.  Lies, death and power- an age old problem and always bad.

If you really want to make a WWII comparison, we the American are analogous to Germany, the NAZIs and the Iraqis are the beaten nations of Europe.  We were the initial aggressors, not them.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 19, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Please stop comparing Iraq to WWII.  Its like comparing some modern political fool, who is largely inconsequential in the scope of time and forgotten in a generation to someone as important as JC.

I'm not an isolationist, I just don't like any war, especially war that is unnecessary or avoidable.  Iraq was a blunder because the reasons for it, progressively, have been either bunk or lies- that is the problem, not the outcome.

So, say you are right, Iraq is a place of flowers and sunshine and life is really better for the people there.  Its not true but for arguments sake.  Even so, the Iraq war was still wrong, ill advised and folly.  Because there was no reason for it, not because after a decade of warfare and 100,000s dead the people there now are better off.  Lies, death and power- an age old problem and always bad.

If you really want to make a WWII comparison, we the American are analogous to Germany, the NAZIs and the Iraqis are the beaten nations of Europe.  We were the initial aggressors, not them.

Aye use it as analogy because we have forgotten about those who objected to ww 2 ...many opposed that war for many of the same reasons regarding Iraq.  And hitler like Hussein invaded his neighbors...hussein invaded Kuwait and Iran and gassed Kurds...hitler invaded Poland, Austria, and Belgium and gassed jews... ...he was a murdering dictator..like Hussein...there are many comparisons to be drawn...and aye will continue to do so...because history repeats itself...

...aye agree with our reasons for going into Iraq...aye didn't want a holocaust...aye didn 't want Hussein back in Kuwait...aye didn't want to see his sons come to power...aye didn't want to see huusein invading iran...these were some of the reasons aye agreed with going into Iraq...the outcome of ww2 took a long time to find positive changes...

With Iraq, we can read, in the present how positive changes are occurring in Kurdistan....we wouldn't even be using the word Kurdistan had we not engaged Hussein and company...
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 19, 2012, 02:03:45 PM
That's a lot of opinions about the business of people pretty far away- keep your opinions, that's cool, just stop killing them.  Certainly, stop killing them and patting yourself on the back- Hilter did that. 

For many reasons, the Allies were good to the defeated- Not only did they not want it to happen again, they were sorry WWII had ever happened. 

You seem so proud of something so awful- glad it happened and anticipating it happening again with glee (there will always be people who do thing you don't like- kill them all?).
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 19, 2012, 09:35:05 PM
Proud?  Aye am happy for the people in norhern Iraq who are rising from the shadow of a tyrant...the bonds the people of iraq are making with other countries....the strides our troops have made in the region...our serviceman and women are professional in Iraq...after husseins removal and arrest our military quelled a civil war...engaging the people and treated them with respect and honor...they accomplished this one town at a time...one tribe at a time...

Our opinions about the business of Germany was pretty far away but along with killing hitler we killed many Germans....many many germans...with dictators in charge of countries it is difficult to avoid bloodshed when removing them.

But look how well Germany is doing today.

Did you check out any Kurdish periodicals?

Remember...we wouldn't even be discussing Kurdistan if we and other nations hadn't removed Hussein...that is my main point.


That's a lot of opinions about the business of people pretty far away- keep your opinions, that's cool, just stop killing them.  Certainly, stop killing them and patting yourself on the back- Hilter did that. 

For many reasons, the Allies were good to the defeated- Not only did they not want it to happen again, they were sorry WWII had ever happened. 

You seem so proud of something so awful- glad it happened and anticipating it happening again with glee (there will always be people who do thing you don't like- kill them all?).
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 20, 2012, 02:30:36 PM
only goatfuckers support iraq war.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 20, 2012, 08:47:08 PM
that's bad news for my goat.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 21, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
be sure goat gets its shots.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 22, 2012, 11:49:01 AM
Tell the goat to be sure I get mine.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 22, 2012, 01:39:48 PM
hey, it your goat.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 22, 2012, 02:36:37 PM
Its one of my goats.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 23, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
uh oh.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: .Chuck on February 24, 2012, 03:23:27 PM

Fortook:  If you spend much time trying to have intelligent discussions with and try to reason with BlueWarrior, you will very quickly have the urge to (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/wallbash.gif)

He's a war monger, and probably so from spending too much time playing violent video games. 

Granted, he has made a few good points in this thread, seems to have the ability to read news stories and likes the people in northern Iraq.  The Kurds in Northern Iraq got majorly shafted by Saddam and almost completely exterminated so it is good that they are now living without constant fear of getting gassed.

The Hussein regime was bad news for pretty much everybody in that area of the world, including Saddam himself with the way it worked out for him, his family and cohorts in the end. Bummer for them, but luckily that is what typically ends up happening eventually to evil, greedy and violent people.

Was it worth the $$ spent and lives lost to try to help bring peace to the middle east and encourage the governments and populations of people in the area to behave in more civilized, less violent ways?  I don't have an answer to that question. Maybe in a few decades or centuries historians might have some good facts/information/news to publish and write about regarding that area of the world.  A boy can hope and dream!!

Political leaders and military forces from all around what is called the western world and other more evolved countries/areas have been trying to intervene diplomatically and otherwise with force to try and figure out how to create some semblance of peace, civility and to provide and establish basic daily living conditions (daily needs: housing, food, plumbing, medical care, etc.) for the populations of people in the region for well over a few hundred years without success. 

Without looking up a historical reference, if I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure the violence, strife, hatred, killing, far from humanitarian behavior activities, sectarian violence due to biases and other prejudiced fueled and other uncivilized behaviors have been going on in the region for thousands of years. 

Nobody has been able to fix it no matter which approaches they have attempted.  It's up to the people and leaders of those areas to work it out. 

I've got a few simple ideas about how to pave the way to make those areas less violent and the inhabitants being able to live decent lives daily.

#1:  Affordable housing with air conditioning.
If I had to live in and walk around in sometimes up to 130F temperatures in the desert just to find something to eat each day while the leaders are building lavish palaces and having fun shooting people and blowing things up I'd be pretty pissed off too. 

#2: [Related to #1] Leaders, use some of that $$ you get from selling the oil you keep pumping out of the earth below you to fund idea #1.  If you do that you won't miss a dime and will still have plenty of $$ for everything you desire.

#3: Better infrastructure, use some of the oil $$ revenue to improve that stuff, you've got plenty of land to develop things on.  Dubai, Saudi Arabia and a few other places are doing a good job of that on small plots of land in the area.

#4: Education.  Build more schools, colleges, etc. and educate the populations with stuff beyond stupid regime designed propaganda.  Better educated people tend to behave more civilly, rationally and less violently. 

#5: Westernized countries, stop selling weapons, artillery, ammunition and military warfare gear to unstable countries in the region.

#6: Just chill, be cool, and stop loving the AKs, RPGs and other weapons so much.  Keep them out of the hands of the young uneducated, possibly brainwashed kids.

My main view about what to do about the situations now from a USA/Western Country perspective is containment. Make sure no crazies with bombs or whatever weapons to kill get out of the countries/get over here or into other countries to use or detonate them, don't sell them/let them have any more weaponry, and then just let them work it out among themselves for now.

My short form principle:  More education, less weapons/artillery for killing and violence.  Educated people tend to behave and interact with others in much more civilized, less violent ways.

Maybe NATO or whoever else should drop-ship a bunch of books/instruction manuals along with some MREs into the bad regions.

/end_rant

PS:  Blue, RE: your post on the previous page where you criticized me. You are the one that is confused, not me.  I'm happy that you at least cut down the pirate talk for now. Maybe where you live people use aye instead of I, it sounds like local Caribbean Islands slang, but it is bad English to use on an American law school discussion forum, especially when you are talking about and wanting to have discussion about USA politics/policies/actions/elections/etc. 

.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 24, 2012, 04:48:26 PM
yes.  good english only!
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 24, 2012, 08:55:27 PM
I already miss talk like a pirate day :(.

Chuck, I like some of you approach and its is definitely better than killing people, but they aren't like us.  Middle Eastern problems need to be solved with Middle Eastern means.  They aren't like us, as much as we think they should be and as perfect as we think we are. 

Kill your air conditioners. Man, do I hate, hate AC. :)
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 25, 2012, 08:04:48 PM
Well, you fully grasped that it is a Caribbean thing...and aye tink dat is da first time ya mentioned dat. ;)
And you'd be right.  Aye make money off of my writing; with that understanding what rationale supports the notion that aye write with my usual style?

Make sense now?

Aye agree with you on mesopoetamia and our tribal oriented sisters and brothers in the mid east...
Troubles they have, but the dictators affect and effect relationships with other nations...we are all directly and/or indirectly connected...sometimes the USA has to get involved...
...when mass graves are dug by a dictator or regime though, yes aye am a warmonger when it comes to taking out the ones who initiated the digging...so, perhaps aye am a warmonger....

So?

...aye wouldn't use caps either but because of "convenience" and our modern homunculi mentality many computers try to automatically spell and provide vocabulary options....
...aye don't mind some of it because it assists with anonymity...

....aye have NO interest in video games...played pong years ago, though...did think "raiders of lost ark" video game was mildly amusing years ago...

Now, aye bet you understood all of the above.

...some of my friends know my logic games and word tricks and obfuscating manner; they won't play poker because even aye don't know how aye will play a hand...aye am a confounding human being...so aye'm sorry that aye can be confusing or out of touch to you, my man.

...confusing? Not to me.



Fortook:  If you spend much time trying to have intelligent discussions with and try to reason with BlueWarrior, you will very quickly have the urge to (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/wallbash.gif)

He's a war monger, and probably so from spending too much time playing violent video games. 

Granted, he has made a few good points in this thread, seems to have the ability to read news stories and likes the people in northern Iraq.  The Kurds in Northern Iraq got majorly shafted by Saddam and almost completely exterminated so it is good that they are now living without constant fear of getting gassed.

The Hussein regime was bad news for pretty much everybody in that area of the world, including Saddam himself with the way it worked out for him, his family and cohorts in the end. Bummer for them, but luckily that is what typically ends up happening eventually to evil, greedy and violent people.

Was it worth the $$ spent and lives lost to try to help bring peace to the middle east and encourage the governments and populations of people in the area to behave in more civilized, less violent ways?  I don't have an answer to that question. Maybe in a few decades or centuries historians might have some good facts/information/news to publish and write about regarding that area of the world.  A boy can hope and dream!!

Political leaders and military forces from all around what is called the western world and other more evolved countries/areas have been trying to intervene diplomatically and otherwise with force to try and figure out how to create some semblance of peace, civility and to provide and establish basic daily living conditions (daily needs: housing, food, plumbing, medical care, etc.) for the populations of people in the region for well over a few hundred years without success. 

Without looking up a historical reference, if I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure the violence, strife, hatred, killing, far from humanitarian behavior activities, sectarian violence due to biases and other prejudiced fueled and other uncivilized behaviors have been going on in the region for thousands of years. 

Nobody has been able to fix it no matter which approaches they have attempted.  It's up to the people and leaders of those areas to work it out. 

I've got a few simple ideas about how to pave the way to make those areas less violent and the inhabitants being able to live decent lives daily.

#1:  Affordable housing with air conditioning.
If I had to live in and walk around in sometimes up to 130F temperatures in the desert just to find something to eat each day while the leaders are building lavish palaces and having fun shooting people and blowing things up I'd be pretty pissed off too. 

#2: [Related to #1] Leaders, use some of that $$ you get from selling the oil you keep pumping out of the earth below you to fund idea #1.  If you do that you won't miss a dime and will still have plenty of $$ for everything you desire.

#3: Better infrastructure, use some of the oil $$ revenue to improve that stuff, you've got plenty of land to develop things on.  Dubai, Saudi Arabia and a few other places are doing a good job of that on small plots of land in the area.

#4: Education.  Build more schools, colleges, etc. and educate the populations with stuff beyond stupid regime designed propaganda.  Better educated people tend to behave more civilly, rationally and less violently. 

#5: Westernized countries, stop selling weapons, artillery, ammunition and military warfare gear to unstable countries in the region.

#6: Just chill, be cool, and stop loving the AKs, RPGs and other weapons so much.  Keep them out of the hands of the young uneducated, possibly brainwashed kids.

My main view about what to do about the situations now from a USA/Western Country perspective is containment. Make sure no crazies with bombs or whatever weapons to kill get out of the countries/get over here or into other countries to use or detonate them, don't sell them/let them have any more weaponry, and then just let them work it out among themselves for now.

My short form principle:  More education, less weapons/artillery for killing and violence.  Educated people tend to behave and interact with others in much more civilized, less violent ways.

Maybe NATO or whoever else should drop-ship a bunch of books/instruction manuals along with some MREs into the bad regions.

/end_rant

PS:  Blue, RE: your post on the previous page where you criticized me. You are the one that is confused, not me.  I'm happy that you at least cut down the pirate talk for now. Maybe where you live people use aye instead of I, it sounds like local Caribbean Islands slang, but it is bad English to use on an American law school discussion forum, especially when you are talking about and wanting to have discussion about USA politics/policies/actions/elections/etc. 

.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 25, 2012, 11:42:31 PM
"The Kurds in Northern Iraq got majorly shafted by Saddam and almost completely exterminated so it is good that they are now living without constant fear of getting gassed.

The Hussein regime was bad news for pretty much everybody in that area of the world, including Saddam himself with the way it worked out for him, his family and cohorts in the end. Bummer for them, but luckily that is what typically ends up happening eventually to evil, greedy and violent people.

Was it worth the $$ spent and lives lost to try to help bring peace to the middle east and encourage the governments and populations of people in the area to behave in more civilized, less violent ways?  I don't have an answer to that question. Maybe in a few decades or centuries historians might have some good facts/information/news to publish and write about regarding that area of the world"


                        --- quote from chuck


...aye like what you wrote here...well put.
but you don't have to wait dcades...because your first line is right..it's happening today.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 25, 2012, 11:58:32 PM
I already miss talk like a pirate day :(.

Chuck, I like some of you approach and its is definitely better than killing people, but they aren't like us.  Middle Eastern problems need to be solved with Middle Eastern means.  They aren't like us, as much as we think they should be and as perfect as we think we are. 

Kill your air conditioners. Man, do I hate, hate AC. :)

Solved by middle eastern means?  Yikes.  What have they been doing for the past thousands of years? Or they got some extreme means modern day...cut off a hand? Or stoning?  Stoning?....even Jesus lived a thousand years ago and he was not a strong advocate for stoning...that stoning shite as been a'round for a while...many of their laws like ours stem fom scripture...stem from kohran and are harsh by our standards...tough call to me to not communicate with genuine interest and get immersed as we have business and sometimes family ties with the middle east...

...aye am worried how an Arab uprising in saud Arabia would play out...

Aye somewhat agree with you about the air conditioners....we should discuss this in another thread....perhaps if we present ac's to people for free--- and give them a choice to keep it or give it back...
Chuck might be onto something with this...and aye am only half smiling...silly? Or a great idea?
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 26, 2012, 08:59:46 AM
Hmmm. We may have found a major point of contention between our differing points of view: 

I not only trust them to govern themselves, but to do so responsibly. If they do not do so responsibly, it is not my place to force them to be like me- to me, its a respect issue.  I don't necessarily think we are better than them.  To me the question is: why would I? I wouldn't have supported the crusades either and the modern middle eastern invasions are way to similar- just replace the word "Christianity" with "Democracy" and everything else meshes.  Too creepy an historical similarity for me.

Blue, you seem to feel the opposite: it is our responsibility to force them to behave responsibly, as a matter of decency, regardless off the cost or disrespect.  To "help" them by making them like us.
 
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 26, 2012, 10:20:19 PM
kurds = turds.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 27, 2012, 09:22:01 PM
Are you writing about dictators and regimes or people? Because aye think that regimes are the problem...not the people. Aye trust people to govern themselves but regimes like the one in north korea are not people governing themselves.

See the difference?

We have Not close ties with n. korea so diplomacy would have no human rights commentary on the treatment of their people. And 0 influence over their people directly or indirectly. ;)
We have ties with china so diplomacy often has human rights issues wind in with it's business and political discourse...and human rights issues become cultural/media advertisement. Even human behavior becomes a part of scrutiny by another culture.  Didn't the chinese government send out the signal to cut down on public spitting during the 2007 olympics ?  Although the initiative was executed by the chinese, doubtful there wasn't some western influence at play..
There is also a universal concern for women's rights which bombards governments in which we have business and political ties..we chastise their lack of concern and continue dealing until a dictatorship cracks ...or a regime cracks or crosses the line...the gassing of people should be a clue to a regime crossing the line...yet while progress is made On women's rights issues and basic human rights it's a long way to go...nations of the world are intertwined on many levels in diplomatic and business dealings...

we can't help rub off a little of our chinese brothers and sisters...we also can't help rubbing off on those who got rid of ali, mubarak, and quadafi---/we helped with getting the last mentioned.\

The west rubs off on the middle east and we influence them one way or another...it happens not through force but an idea that they want the regime gone and a different quality of life...aye don ' t care...call it enculturation; call it diplomatic intercourse...but eventually we all have to stop the habit of spitting in public places...and every now and then until it is a perfect world---some dictators will step down---some will hang--then someone will set themselves on fire to make a point about police cruelty in tunisia.
and some people think a revolution is born...at this point they are doing it utilizing their own methods..so aye think we are in agreement on that.

Hmmm. We may have found a major point of contention between our differing points of view: 

I not only trust them to govern themselves, but to do so responsibly. If they do not do so responsibly, it is not my place to force them to be like me- to me, its a respect issue.  I don't necessarily think we are better than them.  To me the question is: why would I? I wouldn't have supported the crusades either and the modern middle eastern invasions are way to similar- just replace the word "Christianity" with "Democracy" and everything else meshes.  Too creepy an historical similarity for me.

Blue, you seem to feel the opposite: it is our responsibility to force them to behave responsibly, as a matter of decency, regardless off the cost or disrespect.  To "help" them by making them like us.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 28, 2012, 10:19:15 AM
^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective.  Saying you know better than them who rules them?

Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.

As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.

Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: sollicitus on February 28, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective.  Saying you know better than them who rules them?

Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.

As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.

Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.

The jews were a minority in 1940's Europe.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: Julie Fern on February 28, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
Are you writing about dictators and regimes or people? Because aye think that regimes are the problem...not the people. Aye trust people to govern themselves but regimes like the one in north korea are not people governing themselves.

See the difference?

We have Not close ties with n. korea so diplomacy would have no human rights commentary on the treatment of their people. And 0 influence over their people directly or indirectly. ;)
We have ties with china so diplomacy often has human rights issues wind in with it's business and political discourse...and human rights issues become cultural/media advertisement. Even human behavior becomes a part of scrutiny by another culture.  Didn't the chinese government send out the signal to cut down on public spitting during the 2007 olympics ?  Although the initiative was executed by the chinese, doubtful there wasn't some western influence at play..
There is also a universal concern for women's rights which bombards governments in which we have business and political ties..we chastise their lack of concern and continue dealing until a dictatorship cracks ...or a regime cracks or crosses the line...the gassing of people should be a clue to a regime crossing the line...yet while progress is made On women's rights issues and basic human rights it's a long way to go...nations of the world are intertwined on many levels in diplomatic and business dealings...

we can't help rub off a little of our chinese brothers and sisters...we also can't help rubbing off on those who got rid of ali, mubarak, and quadafi---/we helped with getting the last mentioned.\

The west rubs off on the middle east and we influence them one way or another...it happens not through force but an idea that they want the regime gone and a different quality of life...aye don ' t care...call it enculturation; call it diplomatic intercourse...but eventually we all have to stop the habit of spitting in public places...and every now and then until it is a perfect world---some dictators will step down---some will hang--then someone will set themselves on fire to make a point about police cruelty in tunisia.
and some people think a revolution is born...at this point they are doing it utilizing their own methods..so aye think we are in agreement on that.

Hmmm. We may have found a major point of contention between our differing points of view: 

I not only trust them to govern themselves, but to do so responsibly. If they do not do so responsibly, it is not my place to force them to be like me- to me, its a respect issue.  I don't necessarily think we are better than them.  To me the question is: why would I? I wouldn't have supported the crusades either and the modern middle eastern invasions are way to similar- just replace the word "Christianity" with "Democracy" and everything else meshes.  Too creepy an historical similarity for me.

Blue, you seem to feel the opposite: it is our responsibility to force them to behave responsibly, as a matter of decency, regardless off the cost or disrespect.  To "help" them by making them like us.

yep, human rights issues pretty much come down to public spitting.

thanks clearing that up, twit.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 28, 2012, 10:44:42 PM
No man, regarding the united states interactions  with other nations even simple Hollywood movies and our American tv shows get our behaviors/likes/dislikes and values into other countries and cultures...if they watch CNN they get our news...don't get me started on magazines...

It's not that aye want them to behave like us it's more like other nations people are curious about our values/behaviors/beliefs/likes and dislikes...it just happens over time....It's only natural....like levi and strauss jeans...
It's not that aye know better; it's that they are interested in us..get it?

 other countries look to us as an example....in searching for a medical insurance program we scrutinized how other countries work..canada, great britain...yin yang...you sell me this and aye want to know about that...

with international intercourse sometimes residuals from one body will remain on the other body's blue dress...so to speak.  ;)

My argument is 1) that the gassing of the Kurds was the trigger to take out the regime...a weighty enough reason...and that weighs like an ocean of culture.

the gassing of jewish in germany was reason enough to take out that regime...


Genocide is a good reason to take out a regime...see?


^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective.  Saying you know better than them who rules them?

Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.

As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.

Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: sollicitus on February 29, 2012, 09:08:42 AM
No man, regarding the united states interactions  with other nations even simple Hollywood movies and our American tv shows get our behaviors/likes/dislikes and values into other countries and cultures...if they watch CNN they get our news...don't get me started on magazines...

It's not that aye want them to behave like us it's more like other nations people are curious about our values...it just happens over time....It's only natural....like levi and strauss jeans...
It's not that aye know better; it's that they are interested in us..get it?

 other countries look to us as an example....in searching for a medical insurance program we scrutinized how other countries work..canada, great britain...yin yang...you sell me this and aye want to know about that...

with international intercourse sometimes residuals from one body will remain on the other body's blue dress...so to speak.  ;)

My argument is 1) that the gassing of the Kurds was the trigger to take out the regime...a weighty enough reason...and that weighs like an ocean of culture.

the gassing of jewish in germany was reason enough to take out that regime...


Genocide is a good reason to take out a regime...see?


^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective.  Saying you know better than them who rules them?

Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.

As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.

Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.

Nazis were bad. No one argues with that. But that idea of it being the reason for the American involvment in the war (or anyone else's) is due to the romantic rewriting of history.  We had no idea of it untill deep into the war, and no true idea of just how bad untill it was well past over.
Russia was just as bad but they were our "ally" because we needed them to be, and then two minutes post WW2 the "coldwar" began.
Genocide is bad, but not the reason for WW2. It was however the reason for the Bosnia and Kosovo wars under Clinton.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on February 29, 2012, 02:00:07 PM
No man, regarding the united states interactions  with other nations even simple Hollywood movies and our American tv shows get our behaviors/likes/dislikes and values into other countries and cultures...if they watch CNN they get our news...don't get me started on magazines...

It's not that aye want them to behave like us it's more like other nations people are curious about our values...it just happens over time....It's only natural....like levi and strauss jeans...
It's not that aye know better; it's that they are interested in us..get it?

 other countries look to us as an example....in searching for a medical insurance program we scrutinized how other countries work..canada, great britain...yin yang...you sell me this and aye want to know about that...

with international intercourse sometimes residuals from one body will remain on the other body's blue dress...so to speak.  ;)

My argument is 1) that the gassing of the Kurds was the trigger to take out the regime...a weighty enough reason...and that weighs like an ocean of culture.

the gassing of jewish in germany was reason enough to take out that regime...


Genocide is a good reason to take out a regime...see?


^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective.  Saying you know better than them who rules them?

Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.

As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.

Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.

Nazis were bad. No one argues with that. But that idea of it being the reason for the American involvment in the war (or anyone else's) is due to the romantic rewriting of history.  We had no idea of it untill deep into the war, and no true idea of just how bad untill it was well past over.
Russia was just as bad but they were our "ally" because we needed them to be, and then two minutes post WW2 the "coldwar" began.
Genocide is bad, but not the reason for WW2. It was however the reason for the Bosnia and Kosovo wars under Clinton.

Aye agree...genocide was not the reason for entering ww2 at all...but if we stopped genocide from continuing by entering ww2 then our actions for engaging the conflict were beyond justifiable.

Aye agreed with clintons actions for our engagement there as well.

...if a country engages a conflict and genocide is halted...one has to grasp the good in that cease.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 29, 2012, 02:56:24 PM
I can't get through to you, Blue.  We talk on two different levels.  If you can't concede, but rather blame media (which is true, but a completely different issue), that the US imposes force to make people do what they want, I just don't know what do do with you.

Can't talk biology with someone who thinks evolution is a myth.  Can't talk about climate change (which is quantifiable) with someone who thinks global warming is a lie.  Can't talk about WWII with someone who says the holocaust didn't happen.  You deny the facts. (Please don't go into these issues- just analogies man).
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: sollicitus on February 29, 2012, 03:09:39 PM
I think he is just trying to say genocide is bad

and you are trying to say, not if it is to a minority group who opposes a dictator that we want out of power for economic and political reasons.
Title: Re: was going to Iraq a good idea?
Post by: fortook on February 29, 2012, 03:13:55 PM
^^ ha, I can't tell which one of us is under assault here.  I pass.  You take it Blue :).