oh, so "it mostly stupid idea" supposedly yes vote, eh? you think just like gump.
iran won. we lost, including lots blood and money.aye realize you have no understanding of military operations...so aye forgive your ignorance to a degree...however, the success in mesopoetamia is a c change for the region since before it was carved up by the Brits in 1920 and faisel was in charge....today and moving forward world nations deal with the people in Iraq not regimes...and business is thriving in northern Iraq...
and it assholes like you thank.
thanks for nothing.
no doubt.
you may already be winner.
Oh Blue, it pains me to say this- I agree with Julie. There I said it. You're right I was mocking him, but because of his semantics, not his issues. I don't think I can get between you too, the love in the air is palatable and beautiful. Carry on :)
Libertarian? Ron Swanson is funny because he is so extreme, that's him not me. As far as labels, I'm not a big fan of all the polar, be on my team, law of the excluded middle silliness. The "conservatives" call me a liberal, but I think that's just because to them there are only two choices for everything and nothing else. So if I don't agree with them on every single issue, only thing I can be is a liberal and of course that means they know all of my positions on everything so why should I bother saying anything. Even being indifferent or impartial means: you one of them darn liberals. The "liberals" aren't perfect by any means, but they not quite so absolute about absolutely everything and won't exclude the indifferent or impartial as quickly. Does that mean I'm a liberal. idk.
Arabs? Got nothing against them. Defiantly don't want to kill them. They a world away, I don't want to kill anyone or force them to do anything. I understand going to war for their oil for money, but I don't like it, they a world away bro. We aren't in the middle east to spread rainbows and sunshine. We are there to kill them and that's f'ed up.
I am the number one fool! I want a recount. I never get second.
if you feel that going to iraq was beneficial in any slight way...then vote yes...if you think that nothing was beneficial then vote no...
get it?
if you are a simpleton and must put a reply...then you let everyone know that you are a simpleton....please feel free and post a comment...
There is no need to post a reply....
Meh
Germany? The Middle East? Apples and oranges. Germany declared war on the US, not the other way around. Germany sunk US ships, planned N. American bombing raids, in short they were the aggressors.
The Mid East is nothing like that, the US picks fights there for oil, money, influence, sh.its and giggles. If we didn't want their oil, we wouldn't care what they do or how they live there lives. Heard anything in the news lately about SE Asia or S America? Can't open a paper without reading some horrible nastiness happening in the Mid East. All the rest is American propaganda. I actually had to explain to a buddy of mine just back from Iraq how Saddam was not a NAZI. He was told Saddam was a NAZI, a f'in NAZI. Meh.
If you have goals their then state them. All the pussie footing around, saying how we there to help them is just bunk, intelligence insulting bunk. And they know it too.
Yeah, I just invaded your country, killed thousands of people, displaced millions of people because I'm trying to help you, really:
Remember, when I showed up at your house and punched you in the face and stole your TV? I was doing it to help you! Why are you so ungrateful? I came all the way over here, went out of my way to punch you in the face, and take that terrible TV off your hands that was hurting your eyes and you won't thank me? You so ungrateful. No you can't have your TV back, its bad for you.
Hmmm. The phrase- "Apples and Oranges" in English is an analogy for "different". WWII and the Iraq invasion are different, almost in their respective entirety. I'm not going to bother to explain the obvious and go into why they are vastly different, vastly. But, yes a war is still a war and their are guns, pants, boots, shirts, helmets, death, etc involved. So in loose terms they were virtually the same war.
In short: was going to Iraq a bad idea? Yes, it was. Absolutely. Rationalize it all you want with loose WWII comparisons, it was politically, economically, humanely, and all around a foolish and reckless thing to do.
Anyone expect to go into Iran soon?
People always forget that we DID find WMD. Saddam went on tv bragging about the ones that could hit Israel and the Kurds despite the rules imposed upon him. That alone was enough.
Lol, had the U.S. found WMDs, the humanitarianism argument would never been needed or used. No WMDs were found by American or UN investigators. I don't think they even had chemical weapons anymore.
Lol, had the U.S. found WMDs, the humanitarianism argument would never been needed or used. No WMDs were found by American or UN investigators. I don't think they even had chemical weapons anymore.
And if you brag of having crack and have none? And if you brag of having crack and are raided 15 years later and have none? Don't let the tactical ramblings of some fool dictate your behavior, especially if that behavior means killing people.
People lie. Shhhhh its a secret.
Ok, tangent number 3.
Saddam Husein was not an American citizen, subject to our laws. The U.S. military are not global police and the U.S. president is not the global attorney general- as much as some people, amazingly, want him to be. The analogy is flawed (even though I rolled with it for awhile, its just absurd).
If all that were true, Saddam was denied his public defender, the right prohibiting unlawful search and seizure, quartering of troops (that's a funny one I admit) and his meranda.
Shortly, the comparison of criminal activity to international s.hit we don't like, right or wrong, is a logical fallacy. It does not matter if I or you agree with the end result, it is flawed thinking and well, just arrogant and rude.
Yep, U.S. foreign policy under Bush was arrogant and rude, that was why the state department had to actually tell us to say we were Canadians when we were abroad- ridiculous. Who else don't you like? Should we invade them all too? Invade for poops and giggles? Who care about casualties? Sovereign right of nations? Sharing the world with all these people? F. them all. We'll just force them to capitulate or kill them.
Uh. You know 1990 and 2003 aren't the same dates, right? There were two U.S. invasions of Iraq, no one here contested the WMD (chem weapons) of 1990. If fact, its off topic.
Desert Storm isn't what we are talking about here and I am now aware of the time I have wasted on this board.
If you tell the cops you have crack cocaine in your house, and they raid it. Don't complain.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-10-10/news/9010100377_1_saudi-arabia-new-missile-iraqi-missile
Iraq Claims New Weapon Of Death Hussein Says Missile Can Hit Israel, U.s. Troops In The Gulf
October 10, 1990|By Baltimore SunAMMAN, JORDAN — Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, leading an outcry of Arab rage over the Israeli killing of 19 Palestinians, declared Tuesday he had a new missile with a range that could hit both Israel and U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia.
The missile was called Al-Hijara, which means ''stones.'' It was clearly named after the young protesters in the anti-Israeli uprising, known as ''Children of the Stones.''Lol, had the U.S. found WMDs, the humanitarianism argument would never been needed or used. No WMDs were found by American or UN investigators. I don't think they even had chemical weapons anymore.
Ok, Time is fluid, not static? What does that mean? Are we still at war with Great Britain? If so, is France gonna be our new b.itch? How long does it take to become static?
I think I see our major disconnect. Morality is a legitimate relational for extreme action for you. It is not for me. If anything, anything in all of human existence is fluid rather than static it is morality. Consequently, using morality as a justification for an action as strong as war, i.e. killing people, changes drastically based on who and when. An awareness of the varying morality of other people is necessary in order to live with them, rather than everyone killing each other. All summed up in one word: respect.
Ok, you don't like these people. Please don't kill them. Ok, you don't like this dude (D.ouche bag or not), please don't run off and kill him. Bush did not hurt my feelings, he pissed me off- along with most of the entire planet. I almost cried when no European would even touch him because they were so disgusted by his behavior. Why? Because he had no respect for anyone around him- I do what I want, f. you. I go where I want, f. you. You don't like me here, f. you. Why is Cartman a d.ick?
I would rather live with men, then kill them. If morality, rather than blanket respect, is your motivator: You would rather kill men, then live with them- by definition (morality changes with time and place and group).
Stop the WWII comparison. Its ridiculous and an obvious attempt to seek legitimacy. Such a stretch, as to be totally unrelated (apples and oranges). I don't want to hear about Hitler again in a conversation about unprovoked distant invasions justified through changing (thus false) political arguments.
Does an "mlk" world mean a "Martin Luther King world"? If, so- WHAT!
THERE WERE NO WMDs IN IRAQ. THE US INVADED AND CONQUERED A COUNTRY OVER FALSE PRETENSES, KILLING 100s OF 1000s OF PEOPLE. There were no wmds involved in other operations...eg we just went into libya...no wmds...you are hung up on that one area where you feel you were duped
As to the Kurds, Blue, I'm sure they are better off. I don't begrudge them. That was my point, thank you and it's not like the USA did not have interests in the Kurdish regionBut. if you want to invade every country on the planet who mistreats weaker groups you will have to invade more countries than the 7 or so we have invaded in the past decade, several of which were severe cause horrible casualties. Helping one small group who is besieged is a poor argument for such extreme measure taken by the US considering the huge numbers of mistreated groups out there. is that another scale?....it might have been nice to help out the furs in sudan...that's a big whoops.
A larger point is that helping the Kurds was an argument employed to cover the fact the original reason for invasion was a guess that turned out to be wrong, there were no WMDs in Iraq (why do I have too keep repeating this).History will forget that this was the "cover" for continuing operations after Clinton was unsuccessful..because many smart people believe that we weren't finished after first gulf war operations...because some think the cover was reason enough....the scales were tipped too heavily agains the regimes survival..and Hussein did not help his cause..after all...ha was asked to step down...genocide in the usas area where we have interests would have been enough...except for people like you and people who feel they were duped...history generally falls on the side of the oppressed...and against folks like the nazs and husseins...sorry, my man It was the Whitehouse's cop out argument You just don't like "w" s copout is your opinionwhen they figured out they f.ed up and suddenly there were 100k+ American service members in Iraq and thousands were dead. Better than saying- "whoops", I'll give you that.Cheney and w don't say whoops... they feel that the success of the people who live there"Kurds"...and replacing a murdering tyrant who is no longer a threat to the region IS success, sorry you feel different
kurds = turds.
Typically I view BlueWarriors posts as a bunch of weird rambling gibberish (that indigo thing is weird dude, it makes you sound crazy), but he has made some really good arguments and solid points in this thread.
The Hussein regime had to go one way or another. It was a pure evil genocidal, ruthless regime that was a major ongoing threat to the lives of millions of ordinary people trying to live in the area as well as to stability and the possibility of peace in the middle east. The number of people that suffered daily and that were killed by him/his regime over several decades is mind boggling. Countless people, even many of his top inner circle people over the years were summarily executed on a whim or because of a sudden mood swing without second thought.
One example of the ruthlessness of the family is that one of the sons had a star player of the national soccer team executed on the spot (on the field in the stadium) after missing a goal shot or making a bad kick or something like that. The son was unhappy about the missed kick and ordered his goons to immediately shoot the player in the head right there on the field after the play in front of the crowd.
Hussein had gathered more wealth than 1000s of people could burn through to have a comfortable life in 100s of lifetimes while he left well over 99% of the population of the country with virtually nothing, having to struggle to have basic necessities such as food and shelter each day and living in constant fear of being executed on the spot on a whim. With the wealth he accumulated while he left the population living in squalor and constant fear of death he built around 28 giant palaces (of the size that it would take years to even visit and hang out in each room of one for a little bit of time), many of which he never even stepped foot in.
Saddam was given many many chances over several decades to change his ways but instead basically just said F-ck you world and kept killing and taking and oppressing. He was given the opportunity numerous times to step down and take off with his mind bending amounts of wealth to just go somewhere, chill and enjoy it. He choose not to do that because he loved the thrill of power and killing people whenever he felt like it.
The world is a much better place now that he and his sons are gone IMHO. I'm not a fan of the death penalty and would rather he be rotting in a small high security -no escape possible- cell somewhere though, but I'm happy that it was done with a fair full public trial, unlike how Gaddafi was taken out.
nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-Xkurds = turds.
nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-Xkurds = turds.
You got Excellent visceral examples...sorry
when it seems my writing feels like a cloudy gibberish view.
Typically I view BlueWarriors posts as a bunch of weird rambling gibberish (that indigo thing is weird dude, it makes you sound crazy), but he has made some really good arguments and solid points in this thread.
The Hussein regime had to go one way or another. It was a pure evil genocidal, ruthless regime that was a major ongoing threat to the lives of millions of ordinary people trying to live in the area as well as to stability and the possibility of peace in the middle east. The number of people that suffered daily and that were killed by him/his regime over several decades is mind boggling. Countless people, even many of his top inner circle people over the years were summarily executed on a whim or because of a sudden mood swing without second thought.
One example of the ruthlessness of the family is that one of the sons had a star player of the national soccer team executed on the spot (on the field in the stadium) after missing a goal shot or making a bad kick or something like that. The son was unhappy about the missed kick and ordered his goons to immediately shoot the player in the head right there on the field after the play in front of the crowd.
Hussein had gathered more wealth than 1000s of people could burn through to have a comfortable life in 100s of lifetimes while he left well over 99% of the population of the country with virtually nothing, having to struggle to have basic necessities such as food and shelter each day and living in constant fear of being executed on the spot on a whim. With the wealth he accumulated while he left the population living in squalor and constant fear of death he built around 28 giant palaces (of the size that it would take years to even visit and hang out in each room of one for a little bit of time), many of which he never even stepped foot in.
Saddam was given many many chances over several decades to change his ways but instead basically just said F-ck you world and kept killing and taking and oppressing. He was given the opportunity numerous times to step down and take off with his mind bending amounts of wealth to just go somewhere, chill and enjoy it. He choose not to do that because he loved the thrill of power and killing people whenever he felt like it.
The world is a much better place now that he and his sons are gone IMHO. I'm not a fan of the death penalty and would rather he be rotting in a small high security -no escape possible- cell somewhere though, but I'm happy that it was done with a fair full public trial, unlike how Gaddafi was taken out.nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-Xkurds = turds.
Aye agree.
This guy jul fen is bit o bigot.
You got Excellent visceral examples...sorry
when it seems my writing feels like a cloudy gibberish view.
Typically I view BlueWarriors posts as a bunch of weird rambling gibberish (that indigo thing is weird dude, it makes you sound crazy), but he has made some really good arguments and solid points in this thread.
The Hussein regime had to go one way or another. It was a pure evil genocidal, ruthless regime that was a major ongoing threat to the lives of millions of ordinary people trying to live in the area as well as to stability and the possibility of peace in the middle east. The number of people that suffered daily and that were killed by him/his regime over several decades is mind boggling. Countless people, even many of his top inner circle people over the years were summarily executed on a whim or because of a sudden mood swing without second thought.
One example of the ruthlessness of the family is that one of the sons had a star player of the national soccer team executed on the spot (on the field in the stadium) after missing a goal shot or making a bad kick or something like that. The son was unhappy about the missed kick and ordered his goons to immediately shoot the player in the head right there on the field after the play in front of the crowd.
Hussein had gathered more wealth than 1000s of people could burn through to have a comfortable life in 100s of lifetimes while he left well over 99% of the population of the country with virtually nothing, having to struggle to have basic necessities such as food and shelter each day and living in constant fear of being executed on the spot on a whim. With the wealth he accumulated while he left the population living in squalor and constant fear of death he built around 28 giant palaces (of the size that it would take years to even visit and hang out in each room of one for a little bit of time), many of which he never even stepped foot in.
Saddam was given many many chances over several decades to change his ways but instead basically just said F-ck you world and kept killing and taking and oppressing. He was given the opportunity numerous times to step down and take off with his mind bending amounts of wealth to just go somewhere, chill and enjoy it. He choose not to do that because he loved the thrill of power and killing people whenever he felt like it.
The world is a much better place now that he and his sons are gone IMHO. I'm not a fan of the death penalty and would rather he be rotting in a small high security -no escape possible- cell somewhere though, but I'm happy that it was done with a fair full public trial, unlike how Gaddafi was taken out.nothing like genocide and holocausts to create humor.
want to make some 9/11 joke while your at it? :-Xkurds = turds.
Aye agree.
This guy jul fen is bit o bigot.
not forget tact and diplomacy, you stupid goatfucker.
you such twit. you make sound like you found them.
back to your star wars play figures.
Hmmm
THEY ask him to step down. YOU go and kill him? NOT your place, but THEIRS. KILLING people is BAD. DON'T kill people unless YOU have to. YOU don't have to. You seem to NOT understand that. Maybe its better for some groups, but YOU still KILLED people. Caps ARE silly.
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you need to listen to Ron Paul. I might rather put up with the rest of his craziness if we would just stop invading people- for the love of f.uck.
you such twit. you make sound like you found them.
back to your star wars play figures.
Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them? Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors
And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?, u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.
Bluewarrior,
For once in the last ~six years I've been reading this board you made a little sense in a few posts in this thread with decent writing/grammar, spelling, reasoning and morality. Unfortunately it appears those posts were the result of brief fleeting moments of mental clarity, after which you quickly degenerated back into talking like a pirate mode.
Pick a theme. Are you going with being a Pirate, a Jedi or a robot constructed by a Sith lord? The aye aye and other Pirates of the Caribbean themed phrasing in your posts is childish. Do you know that real life pirates, past and present, are evil violent ruthless people?
I agree with Julie that you should lay off playing with the video games, fantasy movies and action figures for a while.
you such twit. you make sound like you found them.
back to your star wars play figures.
Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them? Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors
And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?, u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.
you "got" to julie in way coackroach julie squash got to julie.
you just spot on sidewalk, dipshit.
and since when julie oppose world war ii, asshat?
Temper temper...u think ww2 big mistake too...all those guns and bullets...u think fdr warmonger...it documented on this board..that why u no credibility.
U not even know who Kurds r til bluie tel u.
Hell... U think us civil war big mistake....
Look in mirror...now that might b mistake.
;Dyou such twit. you make sound like you found them.
back to your star wars play figures.
Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them? Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors
And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?, u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.
you "got" to julie in way coackroach julie squash got to julie.
you just spot on sidewalk, dipshit.
and since when julie oppose world war ii, asshat?
Temper temper...u think ww2 big mistake too...all those guns and bullets...u think fdr warmonger...it documented on this board..that why u no credibility.
U not even know who Kurds r til bluie tel u.
Hell... U think us civil war big mistake....
Look in mirror...now that might b mistake.
;Dyou such twit. you make sound like you found them.
back to your star wars play figures.
Glad aye got to you. Aye? Aye discovered them? Good aye'm in your head. Maybe U realize undocumented workers are people too...trying to exist...just like your undocumented ancestors
And yes, to take down military dictators and diplomacy fails...what then?, u got nothing..but Germany thrives today..Iraq on way to success..guess what? ESP Kurds.
you "got" to julie in way coackroach julie squash got to julie.
you just spot on sidewalk, dipshit.
and since when julie oppose world war ii, asshat?
did spot on sidewalk speak?
Hmmm
THEY ask him to step down. YOU go and kill him? NOT your place, but THEIRS. KILLING people is BAD. DON'T kill people unless YOU have to. YOU don't have to. You seem to NOT understand that. Maybe its better for some groups, but YOU still KILLED people. Caps ARE silly.
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you need to listen to Ron Paul. I might rather put up with the rest of his craziness if we would just stop invading people- for the love of f.uck.
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.
(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/yeahthat.gif) +65535 since Blue probably only has 64K RAM brain capacity to work with at any given moment. If we throw in and count zero, then +65536
One of my theories about Blue is that he is locked up in a long term care facility that allows patients to have internet access, daily movies, cable TV, video games, newspapers, etc. to keep them occupied doing something during hours they are awake.
I'm not sure about why him and Julie Fern have such a strong long term animosity filled bond. Maybe they dated or slept together at some point and Julie had Blue committed, I have no idea, it's just a theory.
Bluewarrior, you write and post a lot of text in a manic way. Almost all of it is rambling indecipherable gibberish. It appears the educational system in Trinidad failed you and/or you failed it.
! B L U E WAR R I O R..!, another reminder, please take a time-out break to lay off playing video games that are all about violence and killing people/things for a while. ok?
Aye could be just toying with writing my man.
You keep forgetting the history and timeline...Hussein invaded quwait...our initial operation was our business...Clinton and our armed services continued ongoing operations there...bush jr. continued operations there with armed services and accomplished the task of removing the military regime...and initiated redeployment and drawdown...and guess what? The people who live there "our interests" are thriving today...
Your argument is nice...but not based in reality...sometimes force is necessary for a greater good...and sometimes it is necessary to use military action against a military tyrant...
Here is why aye write that your argument is nice....why should anyone be killed by an oppressive government? Why should there be killing at all? Why should anyone have to be rescued by another country or government.
...if there has been another way throughout history to have a military regime step down and a tyrant willingly give up his power through anything but military action aye challenge you to provide a list because aye doubt you can find much.
...and you already acknowledged the benefits the Kurds are doubling down on because of our operations in Iraq....if aye'm not mistaken--that is a GOOD thing---so, thank you.Hmmm
THEY ask him to step down. YOU go and kill him? NOT your place, but THEIRS. KILLING people is BAD. DON'T kill people unless YOU have to. YOU don't have to. You seem to NOT understand that. Maybe its better for some groups, but YOU still KILLED people. Caps ARE silly.
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but you need to listen to Ron Paul. I might rather put up with the rest of his craziness if we would just stop invading people- for the love of f.uck.
Seriously, man Ron Paul is not crazy...he is a constitutionalist. Aye would enjoy seeing him debate Obama... Aye think Paul would make a great cic.
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.
No, not entirely nothing...you think aye'm blueidiot, at very least---that something.
But you known as bigot by many. ;)
So why was ww2 a mistake again?
Why was us civil war a mistake again?
Aye could be just toying with writing my man.
(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/hmsign.gif)
You don't seem to be getting any better at writing text that is understandable or that makes sense. What is the problem? (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/confused-smiley-013.gif)
Blue,
Julie is abusing me too and making me cry. Will you ask the Americans to invade her for me. Before they go broke from invading too many people. We need to jump on this quick. Saddam might have been better to deal with. :'(
Your splinter of observation vociferous
Wilts with flimsy musings and theory laughingly ridiculous.
Aye stretched the exposition branch which you seemed to grasp, but naive, you grouse.
If comprehension marks the brilliant against the sap then information's trunk for you remains untapped, unless...
you lumber with words and sit in suspension on judgement's fickle limb you'll not rouse,
But remain hindered; hidden beneath the towerring bark, an insignificant louse.
Aye saw a chain firing under this word-house...
do you hear the timber?
;)
Lmfao!he not known as blueidiot for nothing.
(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/yeahthat.gif) +65535 since Blue probably only has 64K RAM brain capacity to work with at any given moment. If we throw in and count zero, then +65536
One of my theories about Blue is that he is locked up in a long term care facility that allows patients to have internet access, daily movies, cable TV, video games, newspapers, etc. to keep them occupied doing something during hours they are awake.
I'm not sure about why him and Julie Fern have such a strong long term animosity filled bond. Maybe they dated or slept together at some point and Julie had Blue committed, I have no idea, it's just a theory.
Bluewarrior, you write and post a lot of text in a manic way. Almost all of it is rambling indecipherable gibberish. It appears the educational system in Trinidad failed you and/or you failed it.
! B L U E WAR R I O R..!, another reminder, please take a time-out break to lay off playing video games that are all about violence and killing people/things for a while. ok?
he not known as blueidiot for nothing.
(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/yeahthat.gif) +65535 since Blue probably only has 64K RAM brain capacity to work with at any given moment. If we throw in and count zero, then +65536
One of my theories about Blue is that he is locked up in a long term care facility that allows patients to have internet access, daily movies, cable TV, video games, newspapers, etc. to keep them occupied doing something during hours they are awake.
I'm not sure about why him and Julie Fern have such a strong long term animosity filled bond. Maybe they dated or slept together at some point and Julie had Blue committed, I have no idea, it's just a theory.
Bluewarrior, you write and post a lot of text in a manic way. Almost all of it is rambling indecipherable gibberish. It appears the educational system in Trinidad failed you and/or you failed it.
! B L U E WAR R I O R..!, another reminder, please take a time-out break to lay off playing video games that are all about violence and killing people/things for a while. ok?
Is that Frost?.....or indecipherable gibberish? The pirate talk makes it fuzzy. Arrrrrrrrr.
Can 't help it if the poem stumped Chuck...and made fortook think it was frost...
...very, very funny...
Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:
(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)
BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish.
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish.
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.
Can 't help it if the poem stumped Chuck...and made fortook think it was frost...
...very, very funny...
you mistake obfuscation for depth.
twit.
meh Blue. Of course I didn't think it was Frost. Wasted sarcasm. I know that poem was written by Chaucer, uh duh.
Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.
Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words. Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours. 'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)
I hope you can decipher this last post?
Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:
(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)
BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish.
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish.
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.
Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)
My man, aye know you are stupid but the dude thought it was a frost poem.
Wake up.Can 't help it if the poem stumped Chuck...and made fortook think it was frost...
...very, very funny...
you mistake obfuscation for depth.
twit.
Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.
Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words. Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours. 'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)
I hope you can decipher this last post?
Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:
(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)
BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish.
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish.
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.
Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)
Blue,
Have you not yet realized that we are making fun of you because of your poor reading, reasoning, writing and comprehension skills? Your basic English comprehension, grammar, spelling of simple words and punctuation skills are fifth grade level at best. Your misinterpretations of most posts/discussions/politics/world events/current news/etc. are also part of what people continue to make fun of you about.
The assertions, conclusions and assumptions you made about me are all incorrect.
Since you brought up the topic and since most of your crazy posts are concentrated here in the off-topic board, I have a question for you. Have you taken the LSAT and have you attended law school and graduated? Also, what's with the indigo label you keep using to describe yourself? Is it a weird cult or an exclusive club or something like that?Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.
Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words. Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours. 'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)
I hope you can decipher this last post?
Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:
(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)
BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish.
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish.
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.
Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)
BTW, your take on Iraq wasn't brilliant/novel or something that deserves praise, a parade or anything for you. It's a duh obvious common sense point of view.
Saddam had to go one way or another since he was a blood thirsty genocidal maniac.
Robert Todd Carroll points out that labeling a child an indigo is an alternative to a diagnosis that implies imperfection, damage or mental illness, which may appeal to many parents, a belief echoed by academic psychologists.
Given the choice, who wouldn't rather believe their children are special and chosen for some high mission rather than that they have a brain disorder?
...you are shooting blanks, buddy.
There is no "we" in what you do...there is you...you can only speak for yourself and just because you can't grasp the meaning of what aye write doesn't mean that someone else can't...you need to work harder to gain comprehension...particularly when someone uses language with which you are unfamiliar...
....sorry to chop your tree down....
...look up the indigos yourself....you really don't understand that...and that is why it and aye irk ya, mon.
...do the research... ;)
...that is my advice to all young, green saplings like yourself.
...aye work on court st. NYC....got my j.d from NYLS....and.believe me that degree is an addition to my trophy collection...aye am a very successful writer...disgustingly successful in fact..but not just with that...among other things...suffice to say that you will probably never ever come close to the adventures overseas that aye have loved and hated...you have a very, very long way to go, my friend....believe it, mon. few people have enjoyed such a juggernaut journey through foreign lands the way aye have...and that is a fact. Your simple musings are very amusing to me...you unwittingly compare pence to bouillon... And aye read you very well based on the way you phrase things...aye like my anonymity so aye'll continue to wax cryptic...and you will have to decipher...tough shite, grunt. :D
Blue,
Have you not yet realized that we are making fun of you because of your poor reading, reasoning, writing and comprehension skills? Your basic English comprehension, grammar, spelling of simple words and punctuation skills are fifth grade level at best. Your misinterpretations of most posts/discussions/politics/world events/current news/etc. are also part of what people continue to make fun of you about.
The assertions, conclusions and assumptions you made about me are all incorrect.
Since you brought up the topic and since most of your crazy posts are concentrated here in the off-topic board, I have a question for you. Have you taken the LSAT and have you attended law school and graduated? Also, what's with the indigo label you keep using to describe yourself? Is it a weird cult or an exclusive club or something like that?Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.
Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words. Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours. 'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)
I hope you can decipher this last post?
Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:
(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)
BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish.
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish.
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.
Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)
BTW, your take on Iraq wasn't brilliant/novel or something that deserves praise, a parade or anything for you. It's a duh obvious common sense point of view.
Saddam had to go one way or another since he was a blood thirsty genocidal maniac.
Too harsh Chuck. Too harsh and unsubstantiated. You should know the ranking system is uncompromising BS. Attacking someone for their choice of law school is weak.
Not saying I'm down with Blue's choice of expression or that I can understand what he is trying to say more than half the time, just that going to NYLS has nothing to do with anything. Your not too far off from mocking his race, religion or car choice or some other irrelevant poke. Just sayin.....
The information you posted about yourself explains a lot and supports my point of view about you, especially regarding your terrible writing, grammar, reasoning skills, unwarranted assumptions, nonsensical rants and opinions.
There is plenty of evidence in your posts to justify Julie Fern repeatedly calling you Blue Idiot.
Your skills with reading, comprehending and writing English text are horrible. Maybe your weird ways of communicating with butchered English fly with some people in Brooklyn, but they still suck, as do your reasoning abilities. For example, you misinterpreted and invalidly criticized my use of the word "we". In the context it was an appropriate and valid statement. Myself, Julie Fern and a few others have mocked you in this thread, hence "WE".
You amuse me Blue dude. Your faulty assumptions and conclusions are entertaining.
Your poor reasoning skills are partially illustrated by the fact that the best you were able to accomplish was getting into NYLS.
Median LSAT score of admitted students = 154
Median UGPA of admitted students = 3.25
NYLS USNWR 2011 rank = 135 and it is tied with several other schools that are also ranked 135. The lowest numerical rank they assigned is 143. Law schools below that were not given a numerical rank.
Regarding your indigo nonsense, your head was filled with kind words from your parents/caretakers once they figured out you were 'special' when raising you while you were a child. Short bus to school type of special because they and others (teachers) noticed that there was something wrong/different with you and your behavior compared to most other children.QuoteRobert Todd Carroll points out that labeling a child an indigo is an alternative to a diagnosis that implies imperfection, damage or mental illness, which may appeal to many parents, a belief echoed by academic psychologists.
Given the choice, who wouldn't rather believe their children are special and chosen for some high mission rather than that they have a brain disorder?
Sorry to give you the bad news dude.
PS: There is only one courthouse I'm aware of that is off Court Street in Brooklyn, a Federal Bankruptcy Court. There is also Brooklyn law school, which is a much higher ranked LS than the one you attended. You working at one of those places or at one of the many retail/food shops on the street?...you are shooting blanks, buddy.
There is no "we" in what you do...there is you...you can only speak for yourself and just because you can't grasp the meaning of what aye write doesn't mean that someone else can't...you need to work harder to gain comprehension...particularly when someone uses language with which you are unfamiliar...
....sorry to chop your tree down....
...look up the indigos yourself....you really don't understand that...and that is why it and aye irk ya, mon.
...do the research... ;)
...that is my advice to all young, green saplings like yourself.
...aye work on court st. NYC....got my j.d from NYLS....and.believe me that degree is an addition to my trophy collection...aye am a very successful writer...disgustingly successful in fact..but not just with that...among other things...suffice to say that you will probably never ever come close to the adventures overseas that aye have loved and hated...you have a very, very long way to go, my friend....believe it, mon. few people have enjoyed such a juggernaut journey through foreign lands the way aye have...and that is a fact. Your simple musings are very amusing to me...you unwittingly compare pence to bouillon... And aye read you very well based on the way you phrase things...aye like my anonymity so aye'll continue to wax cryptic...and you will have to decipher...tough shite, grunt. :D
Blue,
Have you not yet realized that we are making fun of you because of your poor reading, reasoning, writing and comprehension skills? Your basic English comprehension, grammar, spelling of simple words and punctuation skills are fifth grade level at best. Your misinterpretations of most posts/discussions/politics/world events/current news/etc. are also part of what people continue to make fun of you about.
The assertions, conclusions and assumptions you made about me are all incorrect.
Since you brought up the topic and since most of your crazy posts are concentrated here in the off-topic board, I have a question for you. Have you taken the LSAT and have you attended law school and graduated? Also, what's with the indigo label you keep using to describe yourself? Is it a weird cult or an exclusive club or something like that?Listen, .UP....you posted puerile again...
You are obviously a kid...and that's fine; not your fault.
But you don't have, at this point, what it takes to be successful particularly if you choose law as your career...you have to be able to analyze writing and language and you fail with this.
Reality check: aye have fun with this board and apparently at your, among others, expense...and ironically (for you at least, my poor boy) aye make money from my writing. Until your language comprehension skills improve you will continue to struggle with my words. Aye accept this with students who lack these skills but the problem of comprehension is solely yours. 'Tis a pity and aye am sorry for you...but good luck. ;)
I hope you can decipher this last post?
Maybe you'll understand this one better Blue:
(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Clubhouse/F/Funny_Pictures/slices/slice_star_wars_stormtrooper_facepalm_01.jpg)
BTW, please work on your attempts to write poetry, and please have somebody review them before you publish.
Your supposed poem couldn't stump anybody since there was nothing to get out of that gibberish.
It was just really lame and fairly indecipherable text like almost all of your weird arrrggg aye'm a pirate posts.
Here's the best part...you understood my take on Iraq...delicious. 8)
BTW, your take on Iraq wasn't brilliant/novel or something that deserves praise, a parade or anything for you. It's a duh obvious common sense point of view.
Saddam had to go one way or another since he was a blood thirsty genocidal maniac.
I'm not giving anyone my support. I'm not saying he is decipherable or that I agree or even understand him more than %50 of the time- not a shining endorsement.
I was saying: attacking where he went to law school is as arbitrary and fallacious as attacking any other irrelevant aspect (like race or any other unrelated label). A score he got one morning on an arbitrary test does not make him an idiot (neither does his SATs or tax returns). Writing a poem and thinking I mistook it for Frost does, but that's neither here nor there.
I'm not your enemy Blue, but I don't agree with much of what you argue- doesn't mean irrelevant things about you have anything to do with anything, regardless of their relative intent.
I guess all I am saying is going to NYLS does not equal wrong, right or spaghetti monster. Saying such is just weak. Weak enough to illicit my support? It has been known to happen.
...up chuck is a nice guy...aye'm not about to handle him the way aye mock and beat the shite out of that bigot on the board...so don't worry about him trying to rip NYLS...
They say living well is revenge enough and aye live better than comfortable...aye do make fun of friends and colleagues who have spent much money and MOSTLY time going to ivy league schools...many of them were sweating in the law library at Yale while aye was sweating my ass off in the far east....aye make fun of them and they have to take it because they really have nothing which compares to a life of adventure...and success planted, nurtured and reaped through personal and independent efforts...these guys got money and aye'm the one slapping down the black metal to pay the check...funny...
...my degree was because aye had the time and thought it would be fun...most of what aye studied is good in theory but not really practical even when one practices law...my degree is a trophy...nice to have...nice, like .up's remarks. ;D
...he can try to poke fun all he wants...it's very amusing...like criticizing the ocean worthiness of a ship which has already left the port and is half way around the earth.
..it's funny..he thinks aye'm the one off a little bit and he's the one who doesn't even know he went off topic..lol..
...learning, he still is the young padwan. ;)
I think we went off topic here.
I think we went off topic here.
Blue,
Thanks for the backhanded compliment. :-\
Unfortunately you included more insults, invalid assumptions and conclusions about me. I appreciate you acknowledging that I'm a nice guy since that is true, but starting off your post by referring to me as up chuck casts doubt on the sincerity of your supposed compliment.
I agreed with you about certain issues regarding Iraq, Saddam Hussein, his regime, and his family. You actually wrote a few good posts that weren't in pirate talk, made sense and were understandable. Most of your other posts are undecipherable because of your weird pirate phrasing, misspellings, and other weird ways of writing.
It's a bummer you got upset that the thread meandered/derailed a bit from the subject title. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/hijacked.gif)
I'm not sure why you are surprised and complaining about it, especially since you helped cause it with insults and stupid inaccurate accusations.
Deal with it. Doing that shouldn't be a challenge for you since you've had adventures all over the world including in the middle east.
You've been posting a lot of rambling nonsense on this discussion board for years. Hopefully you have also been reading threads other than the ones you've started.
This thread you started going off track a bit shouldn't be an unusual event to you and cause your panties to get in a wad, especially since this is the off topic board.
Switching from pirate talk to posting a quote from Stars Wars to insult me is an impressive demonstration of your wordsmith abilities, creativity and originality. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/tiphat.gif)
Here's a tribute to you and playing with your Star Wars toys:(http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/chewydance.gif)
Maybe you should consider proofreading the text you write every now and then. (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/writersblock.gif)
...up chuck is a nice guy...aye'm not about to handle him the way aye mock and beat the shite out of that bigot on the board...so don't worry about him trying to rip NYLS...
They say living well is revenge enough and aye live better than comfortable...aye do make fun of friends and colleagues who have spent much money and MOSTLY time going to ivy league schools...many of them were sweating in the law library at Yale while aye was sweating my ass off in the far east....aye make fun of them and they have to take it because they really have nothing which compares to a life of adventure...and success planted, nurtured and reaped through personal and independent efforts...these guys got money and aye'm the one slapping down the black metal to pay the check...funny...
...my degree was because aye had the time and thought it would be fun...most of what aye studied is good in theory but not really practical even when one practices law...my degree is a trophy...nice to have...nice, like .up's remarks. ;D
...he can try to poke fun all he wants...it's very amusing...like criticizing the ocean worthiness of a ship which has already left the port and is half way around the earth.
..it's funny..he thinks aye'm the one off a little bit and he's the one who doesn't even know he went off topic..lol..
...learning, he still is the young padwan. ;)
I don't buy that argument blue, but its not a bad one- you're getting better with the justification argument change ups. Only problem is argument change ups = bad previous arguments and suspect future arguments.
Sadly, Iraq was a colossal failure and the U.S. gov is starting to admit it. I really hope Canada can do some good there- with trade, not war btw. The Americans really f.ed up the Iraqis sh.t. :(
Please stop comparing Iraq to WWII. Its like comparing some modern political fool, who is largely inconsequential in the scope of time and forgotten in a generation to someone as important as JC.
I'm not an isolationist, I just don't like any war, especially war that is unnecessary or avoidable. Iraq was a blunder because the reasons for it, progressively, have been either bunk or lies- that is the problem, not the outcome.
So, say you are right, Iraq is a place of flowers and sunshine and life is really better for the people there. Its not true but for arguments sake. Even so, the Iraq war was still wrong, ill advised and folly. Because there was no reason for it, not because after a decade of warfare and 100,000s dead the people there now are better off. Lies, death and power- an age old problem and always bad.
If you really want to make a WWII comparison, we the American are analogous to Germany, the NAZIs and the Iraqis are the beaten nations of Europe. We were the initial aggressors, not them.
That's a lot of opinions about the business of people pretty far away- keep your opinions, that's cool, just stop killing them. Certainly, stop killing them and patting yourself on the back- Hilter did that.
For many reasons, the Allies were good to the defeated- Not only did they not want it to happen again, they were sorry WWII had ever happened.
You seem so proud of something so awful- glad it happened and anticipating it happening again with glee (there will always be people who do thing you don't like- kill them all?).
Fortook: If you spend much time trying to have intelligent discussions with and try to reason with BlueWarrior, you will very quickly have the urge to (http://www.lsatdiscussion.com/Smileys/default/wallbash.gif)
He's a war monger, and probably so from spending too much time playing violent video games.
Granted, he has made a few good points in this thread, seems to have the ability to read news stories and likes the people in northern Iraq. The Kurds in Northern Iraq got majorly shafted by Saddam and almost completely exterminated so it is good that they are now living without constant fear of getting gassed.
The Hussein regime was bad news for pretty much everybody in that area of the world, including Saddam himself with the way it worked out for him, his family and cohorts in the end. Bummer for them, but luckily that is what typically ends up happening eventually to evil, greedy and violent people.
Was it worth the $$ spent and lives lost to try to help bring peace to the middle east and encourage the governments and populations of people in the area to behave in more civilized, less violent ways? I don't have an answer to that question. Maybe in a few decades or centuries historians might have some good facts/information/news to publish and write about regarding that area of the world. A boy can hope and dream!!
Political leaders and military forces from all around what is called the western world and other more evolved countries/areas have been trying to intervene diplomatically and otherwise with force to try and figure out how to create some semblance of peace, civility and to provide and establish basic daily living conditions (daily needs: housing, food, plumbing, medical care, etc.) for the populations of people in the region for well over a few hundred years without success.
Without looking up a historical reference, if I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure the violence, strife, hatred, killing, far from humanitarian behavior activities, sectarian violence due to biases and other prejudiced fueled and other uncivilized behaviors have been going on in the region for thousands of years.
Nobody has been able to fix it no matter which approaches they have attempted. It's up to the people and leaders of those areas to work it out.
I've got a few simple ideas about how to pave the way to make those areas less violent and the inhabitants being able to live decent lives daily.
#1: Affordable housing with air conditioning.
If I had to live in and walk around in sometimes up to 130°F temperatures in the desert just to find something to eat each day while the leaders are building lavish palaces and having fun shooting people and blowing things up I'd be pretty pissed off too.
#2: [Related to #1] Leaders, use some of that $$ you get from selling the oil you keep pumping out of the earth below you to fund idea #1. If you do that you won't miss a dime and will still have plenty of $$ for everything you desire.
#3: Better infrastructure, use some of the oil $$ revenue to improve that stuff, you've got plenty of land to develop things on. Dubai, Saudi Arabia and a few other places are doing a good job of that on small plots of land in the area.
#4: Education. Build more schools, colleges, etc. and educate the populations with stuff beyond stupid regime designed propaganda. Better educated people tend to behave more civilly, rationally and less violently.
#5: Westernized countries, stop selling weapons, artillery, ammunition and military warfare gear to unstable countries in the region.
#6: Just chill, be cool, and stop loving the AKs, RPGs and other weapons so much. Keep them out of the hands of the young uneducated, possibly brainwashed kids.
My main view about what to do about the situations now from a USA/Western Country perspective is containment. Make sure no crazies with bombs or whatever weapons to kill get out of the countries/get over here or into other countries to use or detonate them, don't sell them/let them have any more weaponry, and then just let them work it out among themselves for now.
My short form principle: More education, less weapons/artillery for killing and violence. Educated people tend to behave and interact with others in much more civilized, less violent ways.
Maybe NATO or whoever else should drop-ship a bunch of books/instruction manuals along with some MREs into the bad regions.
/end_rant
PS: Blue, RE: your post on the previous page where you criticized me. You are the one that is confused, not me. I'm happy that you at least cut down the pirate talk for now. Maybe where you live people use aye instead of I, it sounds like local Caribbean Islands slang, but it is bad English to use on an American law school discussion forum, especially when you are talking about and wanting to have discussion about USA politics/policies/actions/elections/etc.
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I already miss talk like a pirate day :(.
Chuck, I like some of you approach and its is definitely better than killing people, but they aren't like us. Middle Eastern problems need to be solved with Middle Eastern means. They aren't like us, as much as we think they should be and as perfect as we think we are.
Kill your air conditioners. Man, do I hate, hate AC. :)
Hmmm. We may have found a major point of contention between our differing points of view:
I not only trust them to govern themselves, but to do so responsibly. If they do not do so responsibly, it is not my place to force them to be like me- to me, its a respect issue. I don't necessarily think we are better than them. To me the question is: why would I? I wouldn't have supported the crusades either and the modern middle eastern invasions are way to similar- just replace the word "Christianity" with "Democracy" and everything else meshes. Too creepy an historical similarity for me.
Blue, you seem to feel the opposite: it is our responsibility to force them to behave responsibly, as a matter of decency, regardless off the cost or disrespect. To "help" them by making them like us.
^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective. Saying you know better than them who rules them?
Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.
As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.
Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.
Are you writing about dictators and regimes or people? Because aye think that regimes are the problem...not the people. Aye trust people to govern themselves but regimes like the one in north korea are not people governing themselves.
See the difference?
We have Not close ties with n. korea so diplomacy would have no human rights commentary on the treatment of their people. And 0 influence over their people directly or indirectly. ;)
We have ties with china so diplomacy often has human rights issues wind in with it's business and political discourse...and human rights issues become cultural/media advertisement. Even human behavior becomes a part of scrutiny by another culture. Didn't the chinese government send out the signal to cut down on public spitting during the 2007 olympics ? Although the initiative was executed by the chinese, doubtful there wasn't some western influence at play..
There is also a universal concern for women's rights which bombards governments in which we have business and political ties..we chastise their lack of concern and continue dealing until a dictatorship cracks ...or a regime cracks or crosses the line...the gassing of people should be a clue to a regime crossing the line...yet while progress is made On women's rights issues and basic human rights it's a long way to go...nations of the world are intertwined on many levels in diplomatic and business dealings...
we can't help rub off a little of our chinese brothers and sisters...we also can't help rubbing off on those who got rid of ali, mubarak, and quadafi---/we helped with getting the last mentioned.\
The west rubs off on the middle east and we influence them one way or another...it happens not through force but an idea that they want the regime gone and a different quality of life...aye don ' t care...call it enculturation; call it diplomatic intercourse...but eventually we all have to stop the habit of spitting in public places...and every now and then until it is a perfect world---some dictators will step down---some will hang--then someone will set themselves on fire to make a point about police cruelty in tunisia.
and some people think a revolution is born...at this point they are doing it utilizing their own methods..so aye think we are in agreement on that.Hmmm. We may have found a major point of contention between our differing points of view:
I not only trust them to govern themselves, but to do so responsibly. If they do not do so responsibly, it is not my place to force them to be like me- to me, its a respect issue. I don't necessarily think we are better than them. To me the question is: why would I? I wouldn't have supported the crusades either and the modern middle eastern invasions are way to similar- just replace the word "Christianity" with "Democracy" and everything else meshes. Too creepy an historical similarity for me.
Blue, you seem to feel the opposite: it is our responsibility to force them to behave responsibly, as a matter of decency, regardless off the cost or disrespect. To "help" them by making them like us.
^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective. Saying you know better than them who rules them?
Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.
As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.
Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.
No man, regarding the united states interactions with other nations even simple Hollywood movies and our American tv shows get our behaviors/likes/dislikes and values into other countries and cultures...if they watch CNN they get our news...don't get me started on magazines...
It's not that aye want them to behave like us it's more like other nations people are curious about our values...it just happens over time....It's only natural....like levi and strauss jeans...
It's not that aye know better; it's that they are interested in us..get it?
other countries look to us as an example....in searching for a medical insurance program we scrutinized how other countries work..canada, great britain...yin yang...you sell me this and aye want to know about that...
with international intercourse sometimes residuals from one body will remain on the other body's blue dress...so to speak. ;)
My argument is 1) that the gassing of the Kurds was the trigger to take out the regime...a weighty enough reason...and that weighs like an ocean of culture.
the gassing of jewish in germany was reason enough to take out that regime...
Genocide is a good reason to take out a regime...see?^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective. Saying you know better than them who rules them?
Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.
As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.
Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.
No man, regarding the united states interactions with other nations even simple Hollywood movies and our American tv shows get our behaviors/likes/dislikes and values into other countries and cultures...if they watch CNN they get our news...don't get me started on magazines...
It's not that aye want them to behave like us it's more like other nations people are curious about our values...it just happens over time....It's only natural....like levi and strauss jeans...
It's not that aye know better; it's that they are interested in us..get it?
other countries look to us as an example....in searching for a medical insurance program we scrutinized how other countries work..canada, great britain...yin yang...you sell me this and aye want to know about that...
with international intercourse sometimes residuals from one body will remain on the other body's blue dress...so to speak. ;)
My argument is 1) that the gassing of the Kurds was the trigger to take out the regime...a weighty enough reason...and that weighs like an ocean of culture.
the gassing of jewish in germany was reason enough to take out that regime...
Genocide is a good reason to take out a regime...see?^^ exactly, you seem to want them to behave like us- with our values and our perspective. Saying you know better than them who rules them?
Not that its directly relevant, but you argument would hold more weight if: 1) the majority of the population asked the US to invade, 2) the majority, not one small group that wants a regime change, but most people want us there or 3) the majority, over %50 of the population, not less than %10 do not want the US to leave.
As it turned out, other than a few minority groups who were being abused, no one wanted the US to invade, over through the government or stay after the conquest was complete.
Not even mention why we should be pissed about it- THE GOVERNMENT LIED TO US and killed 100,000s of people in the process.
Nazis were bad. No one argues with that. But that idea of it being the reason for the American involvment in the war (or anyone else's) is due to the romantic rewriting of history. We had no idea of it untill deep into the war, and no true idea of just how bad untill it was well past over.
Russia was just as bad but they were our "ally" because we needed them to be, and then two minutes post WW2 the "coldwar" began.
Genocide is bad, but not the reason for WW2. It was however the reason for the Bosnia and Kosovo wars under Clinton.