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Title: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on January 16, 2011, 02:59:30 PM
This school is not as easy as it sounds.  It uses Gilberts outlines as textbooks.  You have to summarize and outline each book.  It took me four months to get through the Legal Research volume.  Right now I am on the Gilberts Civil Procedure volume.    As I go through the book, I download and read each case that is cited in the Gilberts volume.  I use the Google Scholar database.  The new articles I plan to write will be a digest of all the cases in each Gilberts outline.  There are over 1000 cases cited in the Civil Procedure Gilberts volume alone.  This school is essentially law school by correspondence.  As a result, I am eligible to sit for the California Bar Exam whenever I finish this time consuming educational project.  Towards the end of the program, I have to submit a final project.  My final project will be a compilation of California case facts and holdings (a type of hornbook) on domestic violence from the 1800s until 2011.  I am also studying for NALA's Certified Legal Assistant exam.  I just completed an online paralegal program that has made me eligible to sit for the exam.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: GovLaw on January 19, 2011, 10:47:01 AM
The approach Mid-Atlantic takes is different, but certainly does not seem easy!  May I ask which online paralegal program you completed?  A member of my staff is interested in attending such a program and with so many available it's difficult to know which ones are good. Good luck in your future endeavors. 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on January 19, 2011, 10:22:07 PM
http://www.blackstone.edu

It is only DETC accredited and the books are written for an audience with absolutely no knowledge of the law.  I stayed with it because it is one of the few certificate programs (best for those who already have a college degree or two (or three, in my case)) with enough hours that will make the graduate eligible to sit for the Certified Legal Assistant exam.  I recommend that anyone taking an online paralegal course makes sure that the program makes him or her eligible to sit for the CLA exam.    Many online paralegal courses are not ABA approved.  So, when the graduate starts looking for an entry level paralegal position, he/she will be competing against graduates of ABA accredited courses.  The CLA certificate will put an online graduate on the same playing field as those graduates of ABA approved programs.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: anthony511 on January 20, 2011, 09:12:05 PM
I have been a student at Mid Atlantic School of Law since 2009. Prior to MASL, I attended NOVUS Law School which is a joke. I have found MASL to be a rigious program and a foundation for learning. I have five more courses before I am done. Before enrolling, I researched the school, and was able to contact the Washington DC Bar Association and found out that once I complete law school, and take 26 semester hours at an ABA accredited, and then take the bar in DC. So, my research has led me to continue with MASL and take 26 semester hours.

The only issue I have with MASL is it takes several days before someone answer my legal questions and no one return my calls. overall, I have no major complaints. I plan to finish the program in May 2011.

P.S. Instead of a final project, I completed a six month internship with a lic. attorney. This was an awesome experience. 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on January 23, 2011, 04:19:30 PM
Congratulations!  I am happy to meet a fellow student. :)
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: GovLaw on January 24, 2011, 08:22:14 AM
Thanks for the information.  The "Blackstone" option doesn't look bad for her - so long as it's DETC accredited we can provide tuition assistance.  She's not interested in changing jobs, just getting additional education to assist her where she is now, though the CLE might be a plus.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on January 24, 2011, 04:31:20 PM
10-4
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 07, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
HI, i have been reserching on line Law school JD  programs.Some one said on here if i graduate  MASL, i can sit for the Calif. bar do i need the Baby Bar/?.I do not think MASL is a approved Calif school [non ABA   school].I think the Washington DC idea of completing 26 semester hours and a MASL degree will let me sit for the Bar.I would appreciate any ideas on ways to sit for a Bar exam after completing a MASL Degree.Also i have been hearing MASL is far superior to Novus.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 08, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
HI, i have been reserching on line Law school JD  programs.Some one said on here if i graduate  MASL, i can sit for the Calif. bar do i need the Baby Bar/?.I do not think MASL is a approved Calif school [non ABA   school].I think the Washington DC idea of completing 26 semester hours and a MASL degree will let me sit for the Bar.I would appreciate any ideas on ways to sit for a Bar exam after completing a MASL Degree.Also i have been hearing MASL is far superior to Novus.

Mid Atlantic is a "so called" law school. It is "so called" because its degree will never be good for taking a bar exam anywhere. They appear to have no recognition from any state bar. I would place them in the same ilk as the law schools that used to advertise on matchbook covers.

The DC rule you cite states:

"(4) Law Study in Law School Not Approved by the ABA. An applicant who
graduated from a law school not approved by the American Bar Association shall be permitted to
take the bar examination only after successfully completing at least 26 semester hours of study in
the subjects tested in the bar examination in a law school that at the time of such study was
approved by the American Bar Association. All such 26 semester hours shall be earned in
courses of study, each of which is substantially concentrated on a single tested subject."

The fly in the ointment is that no ABA law school will ever admit you to take 26 units based on your attendance at a pretend law school.

Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 10, 2012, 05:13:42 PM
I have been doing my research and found MASL a good school for students who understands what they are getting.Not every one has the time, energy or money to go to Harvard or Princeton.Students can take the DC bar with Rule 46.There is a well know ABA LAW SCHOOL ON LONG ISLAND NY that will let you do this when you graduate MASL. Lets get off our high horse and stop bashing a true solution THAT HELPS people get what they  truely want .Ron A .MBA   
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 10, 2012, 05:29:35 PM
A JD from a phony law school is not the equal of a Masters in Legal Studies from a regionally accredited university.  MASL is unaccredited and it's degree is not worth the paper it is printed on.  And yes it is a phony law school becuase its JD degree is not a professional degree that allows its grads to become attorneys. 

They have such integrity at MASL that their domain registration is cloaked:

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Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 11, 2012, 07:20:45 AM
I have been doing my research and found MASL a good school for students who understands what they are getting.Not every one has the time, energy or money to go to Harvard or Princeton.Students can take the DC bar with Rule 46.There is a well know ABA LAW SCHOOL ON LONG ISLAND NY that will let you do this when you graduate MASL. Lets get off our high horse and stop bashing a true solution THAT HELPS people get what they  truely want .Ron A .MBA

Why don't you just state that Touro accepts students for a non matriculation program? However that does not guarantee the DC Bar will do anything but laugh at the MASL degree in the end.

http://www.tourolaw.edu/Admissions/?pageid=194

However this is useful info for non ABA California law school grads who cannot pass the California Bar, and want to pay approximately $40,000 in fees to Touro for a chance at the second toughest bar in the country.

Talk about a Rube Goldberg "solution."
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 11, 2012, 08:58:19 AM
Hmm, a careful check of their website reveals thay have no mailing address.

Even would be, wannabe attorneys, might be a little skeptical of that one?

When you apply to take the DC bar (after shelling out $40K to attend classes at Touro) how would you fill out the DC bar application I wonder.

How much you want to bet the address is "offhore?"
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 16, 2012, 09:12:36 PM
I am not sure why you have so much anger for MASL did you start there and get dismissed.Rule 46 clearly states graduate  from a non ABA  school.  Take 26 credits from a ABA  school AND YOU CAN SIT FOR THE DC BAR .This very clear .Schools like Novus or any of the Calif non ABA  schools all fit the same mold.Pass rates are all very very low for the BABY BAR and the BAR .Why spend thousands for some thing that most likely will not happen. The student needs to really spend 8 to 10 hours a day studing i rather spend $1500 and take my chances.There is no such thing as a quality non ABA phony Law School .Ron A BBA--   MBA 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 16, 2012, 09:46:37 PM
Another point all these schools let every one in .If you are breathing you are accepted[ 2 year degree[.At least MASL is straight forward.Pick on all the  non ABA schools. Novus is off shore from what i herd.MASL IS LOCATED IN N/C,,AT LEAST THEY ARE NOT A MONEY MAKING HIGH PROFIT .So CALLED SCHOOL..Ron A BBA-MBA 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on August 18, 2012, 01:01:02 PM
I no longer attend this school because I don't have the 100.00  per module to pay.  Since most students really need to study for two years to pass the FYLSE the first time (because they are studying while holding down full time jobs and raising a family), I think that completing Mid Atlantic's requirements will give an online law school student an edge.  Yes, you can study the Gilberts outlines on your own.  But, how many people would take a Gilberts outline on Torts (for example) to bed with them at night unless they were enrolled in some kind of program?  Enrolling in an online law school after really studying 15 Gilberts volumes would give anyone an advantage.   Also, Mid Atlantic requires a final project.  A final project could include writing a treatise on an area of law.  That treatise would make any state bar official think, "Let me take another look at this graduate from Mid Atlantic.  Let's face it.  Any online law school graduate  has an up hill battle.    Why pay more than 1500  for the privilege?  If you are going to attend anything other than an ABA brick and mortar law school,  you need to realize that you need to be ten times more competitive than the typical law school graduate.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 18, 2012, 04:55:05 PM
Angie i agree 100% did you attend MASL? i just put my application in/.How hard is the work to pass the course? . Some one said they really let you work at your own pace .I am excited but really do not no what to expect..Ron A BBA -MBA
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 18, 2012, 08:11:50 PM
I am not sure why you have so much anger for MASL did you start there and get dismissed.Rule 46 clearly states graduate  from a non ABA  school.  Take 26 credits from a ABA  school AND YOU CAN SIT FOR THE DC BAR .This very clear .Schools like Novus or any of the Calif non ABA  schools all fit the same mold.Pass rates are all very very low for the BABY BAR and the BAR .Why spend thousands for some thing that most likely will not happen. The student needs to really spend 8 to 10 hours a day studing i rather spend $1500 and take my chances.There is no such thing as a quality non ABA phony Law School .Ron A BBA--   MBA

I repeat, NOVUS and MASL are not actually "Law Schools" because they are recognized by no one as degree granting institutions and their degrees do not qualify one to take a bar exam.  Can you produce an example of even one individual who qualified to take a bar anywhere in the US with a NOVUS or MASL degree? If not, do you aim to be the first? Do you think the DC Bar Examiners are so stupid that they will not check out these school's websites? 

On accreditation MASL skirts the issue and NOVUS give us this gem:

"Novus University is a Registered and Charted Private International Postsecondary Law School. Novus University Grants and Certifies Law Degrees under Corporate Educational Charter and the authority of the Novus University Board of Directors to graduates who meet School School of Law Graduate Requirements."

LOL! They are offshore diploma mills.  Reading their websites causes one to lose at least 20 IQ points.

"Sum ergo cogito; cogito ergo dubito"
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 18, 2012, 08:16:46 PM
Why pay more than 1500  for the privilege?  If you are going to attend anything other than an ABA brick and mortar law school,  you need to realize that you need to be ten times more competitive than the typical law school graduate.

Assuming you drank the MASL kool aid and really believe DC would let you take the bar, how would you finance the 26 in person credits at Touro or anywhere else that cost 40K?  That's straight cash since I don't think Uncle Sam lends money for non degree programs.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 18, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
You really think  thr DC Bar reads these boards thats a joke.Again read the DC RULE 46 i can not keep repeating it.I AM PUTTING IT OUT THERE IF ANY ONE FROM ANY OF THESE 2 SCHOOLS HAVE TAKEN ANY BAR PLEASE POST IT..I think they are out there.Do you think you can take any STUDENT LOAN FOR ANY non ABA SCHOOL/? I THINK NOT .YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING A LOAN GOING to TOURO AN ABA approved Top Law school then any of these low level schools including Concord or any other high priced Non ABA school..I AM NOT SAYING MASL is great for every one but if you really want to learn the Law and put the time in and do not have alot to spend it is not a bad choice..Amen..
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on August 19, 2012, 10:52:43 AM
I only completed Module 1.  I have the worst financial karma out there in the universe.  I left Mercer Law School after one year because most student loans for law school were not substantial.  All I received for the first year in 1987 was 2000 for one semester.  I couldn't take the FYLSE after completing one year at California Southern School of Law because I didn't have the money to fly to California a second time.  Then, just as I began at Mid Atlantic, in 2009, I got  two pay cuts:  the first one was no more overtime.  The second one was an actual cut in pay.

Mid Atlantic's syllabus appears deceptively simple.  Just read 15 Gilberts Outlines and write an outline and summary of each volume.    Some of those volumes are 3 inches thick.  So, it will take awhile to get through the program; if all you do is read each book from cover.  In order to get the full benefit, you need to read and brief at least 20 cases that each book cites.  Mid Atlantic doesn't require the latter.  But, remember, you will be competing with people who have read thousands of court opinions within 3 to 4 years.  And, if your final project is going to be a hornbook, you will have needed a lot of practice before you get started. 

I never planned to take the DC bar exam.  I did plan to take the FYLSE again and the California bar after completing Mid Atlantic.  I was already registered as a law school student with California's Office of Admissions.  When I was ready, I planned to petition the California bar because I have written three articles on legal issues.  I planned to write more and would have included a hornbook on domestic violence.  That was my final project.

Since Mid Atlantic is not registered with the California bar, it is up to the student to acquire an encyclopedic knowledge of as many areas of the law as possible and demonstrate that knowledge by writing as many articles and books as possible.  The articles  and books become published once you upload them on your own website (or works.bepress.com).

I did manage to complete an online paralegal course.  I am currently studying for NALA's CP exam.  I had to put it off twice because I didn't have the 250.00 fee to get started.  I should have it  by December 1 of this year.  I am also writing a book that traces the evolution of securities law from 1936 to 2001. 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on August 19, 2012, 11:11:27 AM
The message I was trying to get across above is that I believe that it is possible for any online law school graduate to become an attorney.  It is just that it won't be the school's name that will help you achieve your goal:  It will be your name and reputation.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 19, 2012, 12:42:57 PM
Thanks Angie,how much time does one have to complete the module ?I also found that Gilbert has different additions some from 2004 to 2011 .I  am on a limited budget and what to buy a used book.Can i buy an old addition or do i have to buy the most current?I also would like to here from other students ,who are in M ASl or Novus..   And any one who has Graduated or you has taken the Bar..Ron A.. BBA-MBA
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 19, 2012, 06:38:29 PM
MASL will not fit the definition of a law school so you cannot qualify under D.C. App. R. 46.

It is not just that it is unaccredited but like NOVUS they are simply issuing pieces of paper (diplomas) without any oversight.

Further I do not think whoever runs either of these schools is actually an attorney.

I am trying to help you understand that you are being misled by your own desire to become an attorney.

Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 19, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
YOU TALK WITH SUCH AUTHORITY..//WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS ARE YOU A LICENSED ATTORNEY IN ANY STATE.. And where did you go to school and what degrees do you hold..      You have alot of threads all over this site down grading on line Education.HAVE YOU EVER TRIED ON LINE COURSES OF ANY KIND.I did my Undergraduate work at IONA COLLEGE AND ST JOHNS UNVERSITY BRICK AND MORTAR SCHOOLS.I RECEIVED MY MBA AT AIU ON LINE AN ACCREDITED SCHOOL.WITH ALL YOUR STRONG OPINIONS, PUTING DOWN SCHOOLS AND PROSPECTIVE STUDENTS THAT WANT TO FURTHER THERE EDUCATION ,WHAT MAKES YOU THE JUDGE AND JURY... RON A  ...AS -BBA-MBA ..
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on August 20, 2012, 12:50:36 AM
You are right.  Mid Atlantic is not a "real" law school.  But, neither of the other law schools registered with the California bar "real" law schools either.  They are recognized companies doing business in California.  Graduates of any of those companies will not be eligible to take the bar exam of any other state [right out of law school].  That is why the Office of Admissions requires all students registered with it to keep a log of how many hours they are studying.

Someone who graduates from MASL will have to petition the Office Of Admissions in California to take the FYLSE and the California bar exam.  He/she will have to keep a log of all the hours they have studied.  He/she will have to send a copy of MASL's syllabus to the Office of Admissions. 

What is key, here, is how much knowledge the student actually has.  That is why MASL has a final project.  The final project can be an internship or an analytical thesis.  Supplementary articles [kind of like publishing your own Law Review online] will bolster your reputation. 

Years ago, home schooling was looked down upon.  Now, because so many home schooled students are doing so well, that form of education is well regarded.   The same thing can happen with MASL.  Okay.  It is a private company [like a for profit school] that provides a structure.  But, like I said before.  It is not the school that will make a student an attorney.  It is the student who will make himself/herself an attorney. 

To Oceanblue57:  Try to get the most current editions of each Gilberts' Outline.  Don't buy them all at once.  Buy one book at a time.  Each volume from Thomson West is about $40.00.  The length of time it will take you to get through one volume depends on how much you study.  I work full time.  So, it took me about 8 weeks to get through the first module.  I read it from cover to cover and took my time carefully authoring the summary. 

There is some truth in what all these people are saying about MASL.  But, if MASL is your only option because of the price, stick with it. It is not impossible to become eligible to sit for the FYLSE and the California bar with an MASL JD (or the DC bar exam).  But, you do have an uphill battle.  Like I said before you will have to acquire an almost encyclopedic knowledge of all the areas of the law that a bar exam tests.  You should brief as many cases as you can from each Gilberts Outline.  Put the completed cases in a binder and keep them.  I have a one page handout that I wrote for someone else on how to brief a case.  I copied it from a textbook.  (Yes.  The references are there.)  If you would like a copy of it, let me know.  My email address is:  passaroa25@gmail.com.  Put "Law Discussion Forum" in the subject line so that I will actually read the email.  There isn't much of a need for legal service volunteer work because licensed attorneys are doing all the pro bono work.  This means that you will have to write articles.  They don't have to be published by publishing companies.  You can upload them to your own website.  I have articles on:  http://www.works.bepress.com/angela_passaro (http://www.works.bepress.com/angela_passaro)  The bottom line is that you have a lot of work ahead of you.    I know of two people who have graduated from MASL.  One of them enrolled in a 26 credit program so that he can sit for the DC bar.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 20, 2012, 05:42:47 AM
Angie you are mistaken - MASL grads cannot take the California Bar. The reason MASL is not a registered California distance learning school is because there is no attorney associated with it.  Ask yourself, who runs the school, do you even know and what is their credential?  I know you want to be an attorney some day so learn to follow the rules, there is no short cut to becoming an attorney, only the normal way and the hard way.  Go ahead and Petition, you have a zero chance of success.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 20, 2012, 05:46:04 AM
YOU TALK WITH SUCH AUTHORITY..//WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS ARE YOU A LICENSED ATTORNEY IN ANY STATE.. And where did you go to school and what degrees do you hold..      You have alot of threads all over this site down grading on line Education.HAVE YOU EVER TRIED ON LINE COURSES OF ANY KIND.I did my Undergraduate work at IONA COLLEGE AND ST JOHNS UNVERSITY BRICK AND MORTAR SCHOOLS.I RECEIVED MY MBA AT AIU ON LINE AN ACCREDITED SCHOOL.WITH ALL YOUR STRONG OPINIONS, PUTING DOWN SCHOOLS AND PROSPECTIVE STUDENTS THAT WANT TO FURTHER THERE EDUCATION ,WHAT MAKES YOU THE JUDGE AND JURY... RON A  ...AS -BBA-MBA ..

OK BBA-MBA, I really do know what I am talking about. I am not putting anyone down, I am saying MASL and NOVUS are a complete waste of time if you think those "degrees" will count for anything.  I won't say another word, you obviously don't want to do due diligence like calling the DC bar.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 20, 2012, 09:55:21 AM
Thanks angie i will take your advice and i hope we helped other students.Yes it is an up hill stuggle,but spending $1600 to $1700 per credit at a ABA approved school in NY does not work for me.I WILL E MAIL YOU.I NEED A SAMPLE OUT LINE.Also if you know what school the other person went to for his 26 credits for Rule 46 i would apprecate that.Every one has different needs as a Law student and this is what the nay sayers have to understand.Thanks again Ron A ..BBA -MBA   
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 20, 2012, 10:59:43 AM
I understand that not everyone has the opportunity to attend a brick & mortar school, and I have no doubt that some very smart people attend online law schools. Nonetheless, I see some huge issues with MASL's program.

The fact that they use Gilbert's outlines as the primary teaching source is a red flag. Commercial outlines are supplemental materials, I cannot imagine trying to learn the law by reading and briefing from outlines. Personally, I didn't like commercial outlines because they present the law without context, it's like trying to memorize a schematic diagram. I think that using Gilbert's as a primary source would make learning the law more confusing than it needs to be. I think it would be very difficult to prepare for the FYLSE using commercial outlines.

Secondly, if all MASL does is tell you to study Gilbert's why not just do it on your own? If MASL is not at least registered with the CA bar, I'm not sure that the degree is worth any more than paper it's printed on. CA allows students from unaccredited registered law schools, students who have studied in judge's chambers, and students who have studied with a lawyer to sit for the FYLSE and bar exam as long as some specific documentation is provided.

Those are the only three non-traditional exceptions of which I'm aware. I'm not sure about unaccredited, un-registered law schools. Are such grads allowed to sit for the CA bar, absent some other qualifications? That's a question I'd want to ask MASL if I was contemplating giving them my money. I'd also ask if any MASL grads have been admitted to the CA or DC bar. 

As far as the DC bar is concerned, my understanding is that the exception applies to non-ABA schools, not necessarily unaccredited schools. (A school can be state accredited, for example, without being ABA accredited). I would ask MASL if they have ever graduated a single student who is a member of any state's bar.

If you do choose to go with MASL, I'd recommend using the Examples & Explanations series along with Gilbert's. Also, seriously study the past FYLSEs on the Calbar website. If possible, take a FYLSE prep course.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 20, 2012, 02:55:56 PM
I GUESS THERE ARE ALOT OF OPIONIONS ON HERE.I guess you did not read Passaroa25 thread.She claims to point out there are 2 graduates of MASL ONE IS TAKING THE 26 credits in a ABA school getting ready for the DC bar.One thing is clear most students say good things about Gilbert books. You do not but, they are complete and cheap.May be a $300  HARDCOVER BOOK WOULD BE BETTER LOL.I am not intrested in the Baby BAR in CALIF, WHICH LESS THEN 20% pass .I think passing that test is great if you live near there or want to practice there. That test is most likely harder then the BAR.I LIVE ON THE EAST COAST.I think MASL  is very clear they are working on getting accredited ,right now at $1500 complete that seems  VERY FAIR FOR WHAT THEY ARE.I DO NOT THINK PEOPLE WOULD OR COULD STUDY ON THERE OWN .You can spend $1600 per credit in a ABA school or spend $10,000 or $15,000 for a Calif non ABA SCHOOL.WHAT IS YOUR EDUATION BACK GROUND ARE YOU A ATTORNEY ? Did you ever take a on line course or gain a degree from just a school.?I WILL SAY IT AGAIN MASL is great for people who understand the rules and want to study law and not spend thousands of dallors which they most likely do not have..Ron A . AS- BBA- MBA
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 20, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
Relax, there's no need to be so defensive.

I have not taken any online classes (other than BARBRI), but I have graduated from law school and taken the CA bar exam. I do have some idea as to what it takes to prepare for the bar, and I believe that studying and summarizing Gilbert's outlines is insufficient. This is only my opinion, but it is based on first hand experience. The fact is, the model adopted by every ABA and CBE law school (reading and briefing cases, socratic method, written exams) seems to work pretty well. Most students who follow the program will pass the bar. There is zero evidence to suggest that reading and summarizing outlines will produce the same result. That is not my subjective opinion, that is a fact.

I agree with you that legal education is ridiculously overpriced (as are books), and I love the idea of cheaper options for working adults. I went to law school at night while I had a family, a mortgage, etc. Believe me, I understand the cost issue, and I believe that online education has a place in the legal field. Unlike many of the people you'll encounter on these boards I'm not a snob when it comes to legal education.

MASL's website actually states that their JD is primarily a non-bar JD. That should give you pause if you intend to use the degree to practice law. If you can go to MASL, then Touro, and qualify to take the DC bar, maybe it's worth it. I dunno.

It's your time and money, knock yourself out.
 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 20, 2012, 05:08:53 PM
Roald - these guys do not understand that the statutes involved are open to reasonable interpretation by the Bar examiners.  Think pro se litigants who latch onto something like UCC 2-207 and you will get the idea of the circular reasoning involved here.  MASL and NOVUS seek out these folks and give them a "degree." Since no attorney is involved as far as I know with either outfit, they cannot per se be law schools nor are the degrees valid in any jurisdiction.  I might add being a California registered law school involves a lot more than getting a business license, there are some hoops to jump through.

The DC Bar Examiners are actually hard asses when it comes to this sort of monkey business, see Teare v. Committe on Admissions, 566 A.2d 23 (1989) for example of DC's over zealous defense of its turf under Rule 46.  DC is no paragon of inclusiveness, it's bar is second only to California in difficulty, and the 5 year motion in rule is a fluke carry over from federal court rules as the DC bar was only established in 40 years ago.  My experience is that DC lawyers are usually appalled that their bar might admit online and correspondence degree students previously admitted in California.

Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 20, 2012, 08:18:37 PM
hi Angie i tried to Email you but it did not go through i have aol.May be you can E mail me aiu57@aol.com.  Ron A..
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 21, 2012, 12:53:50 AM
Roald - these guys do not understand that the statutes involved are open to reasonable interpretation by the Bar examiners. 

That's a hugely important point. No bar association is required to accept a non-ABA degree. They may choose to do so on a case by case basis, but they aren't required. The DC rule, as far as I can tell, permits a non-ABA grad who has completed 26 additional units to take the DC bar exam. It does not say that the applicant will be guaranteed admission if they pass. Passing the exam and getting admitted are two different things.

I think that there are some good non-ABA law schools, but this place raises numerous red flags.

The fact that they have been around for five years and have not obtained accreditation or even CA registered status (as per their student manual) is suspicious.

Their website does not list a single faculty member. Who grades the summaries? Are they lawyers? Does anyone ever not pass each module? What are the grading standards?

A business that offers no legal instruction, but offers to grade summaries of commercial outlines for a fee, and whose degree does not permit the holder to sit for the bar exam, should not be calling itself a law school.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 21, 2012, 09:04:54 AM
Ronald, I WILL SAY IT VERY CLEAR READ MY LIPS,YOU GUYS ARE SNOBS AND PROFEFFIONAL STUDENTS.YOU DO  HAVE ANY AUTORITY, THIS IS YOUR OPIOION.If a student passes the Bar how many cases are there where they do not let them pratice or admit them into the bar?IF a student gets through MASL,including there final project and get accepted to a ABA brick and mortar school.Under rule 46 .They are just as qualfied has a Graduate of a Non ABA CALIF SCHOOL.That is the law.THEY WOULD OF SPENT MORE MONEY THIS WAY. ABA SCHOOLS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE  IN NY .If states including NY LET PEOPLE WORK UNDER A ATTORNEY THEN TAKE ABA COURSES TO SIT FOR THERE BAR WHY PICK ON RULE46 OR ON NOVUS OR MASL.NOVUS IS JUST TO DAMM EXPENSIVE CHARGING $10,000 SHAME ON THEM..RON A. AS -BBA -MBA -Student MSAL
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 21, 2012, 10:10:19 AM
I apologize if I offended you, that's certainly not my intention.

It's not snobby to raise questions about a school that lists no faculty, no  physical address, and whose degree (by the school's own admission) is "primarily a non-bar JD", whatever that means. It's nothing against you or any other MASL student, but it's not clear to me that they're providing you with anything of value in exchange for your hard earned money.

I'm not picking on MASL or any other distance learning school. MASL has established a website, and holds itself out to the public as a law school. The term "law school" has certain characteristics and expectations associated with it. Those include actual legal instruction and training, and some form of accreditation or at least registration as distance learning school with the CA bar. The fact that MASL is not accredited by anyone, as far as I can tell, means that its degree holds the same weight as a degree that you print up yourself. Page 2 of the MASL student manual says something like they're "seeking approval from various organizations".

Really? Which organizations?

Yes, I have a problem with a business that calls itself a "law school", takes peoples' money, and issues "degrees" while abiding by none of the commonly held standards. You could literally study on your own and print your own degree, and it would be equivalent (and cheaper). 

At the very least I'd encourage you to check out E&E, or some other publications along with the Gilbert's outlines.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 21, 2012, 06:45:17 PM
Did you get your MBA from an offshore diploma mill, of course not.  Then why would you think a JD can be obtained with so little effort and expense? How about telling us the grand qualifications of the Dean of MASL?  Did he award himself a JD? 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 21, 2012, 06:58:59 PM
Hey here's some good news, with your MASL law degree you can be an Advocate before a real US government Administrative Agency.  Of course you can do that with a HS diploma too but don't tell everyone.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 21, 2012, 07:16:58 PM
At least one measure of the legitimacy of a JD is whether it qualifies the degree holder to take the bar exam. As far as I can tell, the MASL JD, by itself, does not permit the holder to take any state's bar exam, with the possible exception of California (and I'm not even sure about that, since they're not registered with the state bar). How can that possibly qualify as a legitimate JD?

Personally, I don't think operations such as MASL should be allowed to claim that they grant JDs. I think it misleads the public, who assumes that the holder has completed a standard, rigorous legal education. I think the same should apply for B.A./M.A./Ph.Ds. 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 22, 2012, 10:37:20 AM
Yep, a major fail by the North Carolina State Bar which has jurisidiction however I suspect MASL is offshore with a bank account in Panama.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Cher1300 on August 22, 2012, 11:07:29 AM
At least one measure of the legitimacy of a JD is whether it qualifies the degree holder to take the bar exam. As far as I can tell, the MASL JD, by itself, does not permit the holder to take any state's bar exam, with the possible exception of California (and I'm not even sure about that, since they're not registered with the state bar). How can that possibly qualify as a legitimate JD?

Personally, I don't think operations such as MASL should be allowed to claim that they grant JDs. I think it misleads the public, who assumes that the holder has completed a standard, rigorous legal education. I think the same should apply for B.A./M.A./Ph.Ds. 

I looked at the website and compared it to other online programs like Taft and Concord and MASL is not even registered with the DETC (Distance Education and Training Council) in addition to not being registered with any state bar.  I'm not exactly sure how rule 46 works in DC, but will someone who completed a legal education through MASL even be accepted to an ABA approved-program for the 26 units required for the bar?  Wouldn't they have to go to an ABA law school for those credits?  I tried to google search ABA 26 unit schools, but couldn't find anything. 

A quick look at the calbar website indicates that not one person from this school has taken the California Bar Exam in the last five years even though their website states that California is one of the states in which they can take the bar.  Yet every other correspondence or distance learning school is listed on that site even if only one person per school sat for the bar.  http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Examinations/Statistics.aspx.
There is also no alumni section or information on any of their graduates, which seems a bit odd.  I only found one student in his third year that was working in VA under an attorney, and said he still needed to complete his 26 units, but doesn't say which school he was going to attend or which state he was going to take the bar.  Anyway, I've heard of a few schools like this, but does anyone know which ABA schools admit these students?    Are they only in DC maybe?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 22, 2012, 11:37:25 AM
A previous post stated that two MASL students were admitted to Touro, an ABA law school in NY, to complete the 26 units. Even if this is true, the DC rules are open to reasonable interpretation (as Jon Levy pointed out). If I were considering writing a check to MASL, then spending tens of thousands of dollars on 26 ABA units in the hope that DC would admit me, I'd at least contact the DC bar first and ask some questions. For example, how many students have been admitted under this rule, and from which schools?

I'm not a snob when it comes to legal education, but this particular path to bar admission has a bright yellow "CAUTION" sign attached.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Cher1300 on August 22, 2012, 12:21:32 PM
I have to agree about being cuatious with this one.  A google search of the phone number shows a link to a few different businesses including a fax number belonging to a chiropractor in NC.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 22, 2012, 02:40:51 PM
SCAM.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Cher1300 on August 22, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
Tuoro law school does say, however, that graduates from other law schools may take non-matriculating courses that "may" qualify them to sit for the bar exam.  http://www.tourolaw.edu/Admissions/?pageid=194  They also said acceptance is very selective. 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 22, 2012, 05:31:50 PM
You guys make me laugh.You are snobs.Did any one of you guys graduate from a first tier law school. Did any one graduate from an ABA BRICK AND MORTAR SCHOOL.HARVARD ANY ONE MAYBE YALE ,NO WAY, I KNOW YOU HAVE NOT..TAFT CONCORD YES .Those schools do not mean any thing..Yes ALOT OF MONEY SPENT.IF ANY ONE OF YOU WERE ON law review i would love to chat.You make make beleve you are EXPERTS BY WHO..Passing a BAR FROM A NO MAME NON ABA SCHOOL SHOULD NOT MAKE YOU AND ELITESS..Get over your selfs..RON A.. BBA -MBA  PS..THESE SCHOOLS LIKE MASL EXCEPT ANY ONE AND DO NOT REQUIRE THE LSAT...
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: haus on August 22, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
You guys make me laugh.You are snobs.Did any one of you guys graduate from a first tier law school. Did any one graduate from an ABA BRICK AND MORTAR SCHOOL.HARVARD ANY ONE MAYBE YALE ,NO WAY, I KNOW YOU HAVE NOT..TAFT CONCORD YES .Those schools do not mean any thing..Yes ALOT OF MONEY SPENT.IF ANY ONE OF YOU WERE ON law review i would love to chat.You make make beleve you are EXPERTS BY WHO..Passing a BAR FROM A NO MAME NON ABA SCHOOL SHOULD NOT MAKE YOU AND ELITESS..Get over your selfs..RON A.. BBA -MBA  PS..THESE SCHOOLS LIKE MASL EXCEPT ANY ONE AND DO NOT REQUIRE THE LSAT...

Is your keyboard broken?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 22, 2012, 06:55:58 PM
You guys make me laugh.You are snobs.Did any one of you guys graduate from a first tier law school. Did any one graduate from an ABA BRICK AND MORTAR SCHOOL.HARVARD ANY ONE MAYBE YALE ,NO WAY, I KNOW YOU HAVE NOT..TAFT CONCORD YES .Those schools do not mean any thing..Yes ALOT OF MONEY SPENT.IF ANY ONE OF YOU WERE ON law review i would love to chat.You make make beleve you are EXPERTS BY WHO..Passing a BAR FROM A NO MAME NON ABA SCHOOL SHOULD NOT MAKE YOU AND ELITESS..Get over your selfs..RON A.. BBA -MBA  PS..THESE SCHOOLS LIKE MASL EXCEPT ANY ONE AND DO NOT REQUIRE THE LSAT...

Flame?

I graduated from a brick and mortar ABA school, not that it matters. Anyone with a third grade education should be able to spot the inherent problems with this approach to bar admission. Having been through law school and the bar exam doesn't make me an expert, but it is far more experience than you have, Ron. Can you point out one single thing that anyone here has posted which is inaccurate?

It's your life. If you think it's a good idea to spend $1500 at MASL, then an additional $30-40,000 racking up 26 ABA units in hopes of being admitted to DC under some special rule, go for it.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: oceanblue57 on August 22, 2012, 07:18:56 PM
Con gradulations may be use have your Degree from H ARVARD ..Any way the rules states under rule 46 i can travel this route ,we will see.Right now with my busy life i can not sit in a class so we have to dis agree..RON A  BBA- MBA
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: IrrX on August 22, 2012, 08:41:22 PM
Flame or not, Enough.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: haus on August 22, 2012, 08:47:17 PM
Con gradulations may be use have your Degree from H ARVARD ..Any way the rules states under rule 46 i can travel this route ,we will see.Right now with my busy life i can not sit in a class so we have to dis agree..RON A  BBA- MBA
There are indeed many things that you can do. Although, just because it is something you can do, it does not mean that it is worth doing.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: financialandtaxguy on January 14, 2013, 07:02:53 PM
Hi Everybody,

Let's get back on topic.  I think about this program as an exam prep review course, while you pursue a J.D. on other registered online law schools, and use it as if it were a Baby Bar exam prep course" General Bar exam prep course, or refresher course alongside your other course! 

Meaning, if they are using Gilbert Outlines anyway, this program is like taking a bar review course.  If it costs the same or less than a bar review course, just do it, to pass the Baby Bar first, then complete your regular registered online law program after you pass the Baby Bar.  Also, then finish the MASL program as a Bar Review Course, after you get your J.D. from the registered online law school, and as you head for the General Bar Exam.

What if you can no longer afford to study at registered online law school, after you take MASL and use it as a Baby Bar exam prep course?  Then MASL may be a good last resort to finish an unrecognized J.D. program, as the cost is very low.  Then when you are able to get back to a registered online law school, you are ahead of the game!

I'm a little weak with my explanations, but what do you think of that idea?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 14, 2013, 09:28:29 PM
Madness!  MASL is not associated with any attorneys, law professors, or anyone vaguely connected with practising law or passing bar exams.  if you want to read outlines, buy them and read them, you do not need to enrich anyone  else in order to read a book.  If you want a bogus law degree you don't need MASL, instead go make one up in a word processing program, print it out and award it to yourself.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 14, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
Would studying with MASL even qualify one to take the FYLSE in the first place? Although CA is comparatively open, they do still have some hoops you have to jump through. If a school is neither ABA/CBE accredited or registered with the CA bar (like Taft, Concord, etc.), then I think you'd have to qualify under the attorney-study option (not sure what it's actually called). Is that what MASL does, do they put their students in contact with CA attorneys who supervise their work?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 15, 2013, 11:40:31 AM
MASL and NOVUS are not accredited law schools, there are no lawyers or bars associated with these operations.  You cannot take a bar, you cannot become a lawyer anywhere with their degrees and your credits are worthless.  To qualify for the FYSLE is quite simple enroll at an online law school registered with the California State Bar.  if I started a law school in my garage today, it would have more credibility than MASL and NOVUS because at least I have a law license (though wouldn't have one for long if the cal bar got wind I was passing out phony diplomas).
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 15, 2013, 08:06:02 PM
They're definitely not accredited, but California allows students from unaccredited schools to sit for the FYLSE and bar. The problem is that they're not registered with Calbar, either. I just took a look at Calbar's summary of requirements for admission. As far as I can tell, the only unaccredited law schools whose degrees qualify one to sit for the bar are those which are registered with the State. I assume the requirements for the FYSLE are similar, since what would be the point in allowing someone to take the FYLSE if they can't sit for the bar?

So to answer your question, Financialandtaxguy, no, I don't this is a good option for FYLSE prep either.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 15, 2013, 08:24:28 PM

MASL and NOVUS are not just unaccredited, they are not actually "law schools." Unaccredited law schools registered with the Cal Bar are the only ones from which can qualify a student for the FYLSE. MASL and NOVUS cannot qualify for registration because they do not even meet the minimum standards for registration which are actually quite lengthy. 

http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/4/documents/Education/Rules_Title4_Div3-UnAcc-Law-Sch.pdf

However anyone who cannot discern that MASL is a crock from their website which lacks even a physical address; is not likely to pass the FYLSE in any event.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: financialandtaxguy on January 21, 2013, 01:44:13 PM
Hi Folks,

Don't miss the issue here!  Those of us, who are already professionals law related fields e.g. Insurance Professionals, Real Estate Professionals, Estate Planners, Financial Planners, Registered Investment Advisers, and Tax professionals to name a few, we know that a lot of what we learned was not just academics but from "on the job," and good mentors.  Many of us learn to look up law, when we need to know the strict law, and regulated law. 

My comments about using Novus or MASL, is to advocate the learning structure given, not necessarily the non-existing prestige.  I've been in seminars and learning environments where non-attorney Estate Planning professionals conducting the seminars, danced circles around lawyers, and oh by the way, there were lawyers in the classroom who humbly came to learn from a non-lawyer.  All this to say, most professionals know we can learn many things from our own research, especially in this age of the internet, and from good mentorship. 

Novus or MASL will at the very least give you good legal content and structure, but in the present mind-set of the ABA, will not give you a leg up on getting a license.  Use MASL as an exam prep tool, in my opinion anyway.  I gave links in another posting to recorded Michigan Supreme Court oral arguments and the European Court oral arguments, in which you can learn courtroom etiquette and style.  Visiting your local courthouse and sitting in on actual court cases is also a good learning experience.

Thanks for all your comments!

Ron
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Laughs
Post by: legalpractitioner on January 21, 2013, 09:45:25 PM
NOV*S & MA+L (no SEO from me) will not do anyone any good except their non lawyer owners who will laugh all the way to the bank. If someone wants to learn about the law, do not give money to make believe schools, go get an accredited Masters in Legal Studies from Kaplan or other accredited online schools. Any so called professional would not waste their money on an unaccredited offshore " law school" and if they did I would not want them within 10 feet of my tax return or any other document since they have shown the inability to understand that a law school must at least have some connection to lawyers and the law to call itself a law school.

Also anyone who tries to use "European Court oral arguments" in the US will get their hat handed to them by the court.

And I am sure those dancing estate planners or whatever were dancing alright after they got charged for unlicensed practice of law for the crap trusts they talked people into buying.

But you are right, going down this road may indeed get one quality time in a court room.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: vanceap3 on February 28, 2013, 06:33:24 AM
Good reply Ron!  But "Truly" is spelled without the "e"....sorry about that....but I bet you will never forget it?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Executive on June 06, 2013, 12:43:53 AM
As has been stated on this tread, you don't learn law by studying Gilbert Law Summaries. It's an entire process. The most important of which is legal writing, legal analysis and legal research; as well as substantive and procedural law.

When you work in litigation and are handed a memo asking about legal issues on a specific case, you must know how to prioritize those issues and how to analyze them. Moreover, you have to interpret the law, break it down into its elements and apply its rule to your client's facts. You aren't going to learn those skills at MASL. You will, however, learn it at an unaccredited law school that is recognized by the California State Bar, since they have to conform to a specific law school curriculum.

Case books are also essential to learning the law, since they present the development of specific areas of law and provide the basis for distinguishing cases. Other aspects you must learn is how to argue pursuasively in both the written and oral form.   

The MASL approach is analogous to a mechanic learning only about one component of the drivetrain, such as the engine, at the expense of the remaining drivetrain components.  Like a car without a transmission it may look good from a distance, but it will never get you out of the driveway. That is the type of legal education you will be receiving from MASL. One that is inferior and incomplete.

Even if you tried to come in on motion before a state bar it would be futile, since the MASL juris doctorate has no recognition in California or any other state, thus it need not be considered. If, however, we compare it to an online law school that is accredited by the California State Bar, or the DETC like Taft or Concord, it might be possible to come in on motion in another state by raising an equal protection argument. Even more, so if you presented proper briefs and oral arguments, which would demonstrate practical application of the law.     

My suggestion for someone strapped for money is to seek out a judge or lawyer and ask them to mentor you. Or better yet, to enroll in an online school recognized by the California State Bar or one that is at least accredited by the DETC.

Sadly, the MASL is a dead end that would never stand up to scrutiny before any state bar, since it does not conform to a law school curriculum. Nor would any bar consider an online school that does not have faculty members who are licensed to practice law, or retired lawyers.
 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on June 12, 2013, 03:56:25 AM
MASL's final project does include anything from an internship at a law firm to writing a thesis.  Also, while the school's main textbooks are the Gilbert's summaries, the student does not have to stop there.  Each Gilbert's volume cites hundreds of court opinions.  In order to learn how to think like a lawyer, reading just 2% of the cases cited in each volume will make any researcher competitive.  So, while MASL appears to simply offer the basics, as with any endeavour, it is up to the student to create his/her own brand. 

I am not sure whether or not the author had Mid-Atlantic in mind when she wrote this paragraph.  But, it does provide some hope: 

". . . You think your school's reputation is holding you back?  Bull!  as Washington's Teresa DeAndrade says, 'You can go anywhere from any school, because getting hired has to do with you and your self-confidence.  People hire people, not schools.'  (Walton, 5)

Walton, Kimm Alayne, J.D. Guerrilla Tactics for Getting the Legal Job of Your Dreams
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Cher1300 on June 17, 2013, 09:32:43 AM
I think what Executive is trying to get across is that MASL is not teaching you the writing skills that are necessary as an attorney.  Generally, law students make up their own outlines based off of the hundreds of cases they have read and briefed as a part of the learning process.  My outlines for my classes range anywhere from 20 - 40 pages per class depending upon the material.  So most students are reading 100% compared to the 2% you are reading in addition to briefing and doing outlines.  I prefer to do my own outlines because each professor wants something different.

The purpose of reading and briefing all those cases is to learn to spot the issues and the holdings.  From there, I'll work on my outline and take practice exams which is probably the most important skill necessary to pass your classes.  There is a formula to legal writing, and each year of law school it develops and gets better and better.  But that is due to writing over and over and over again in a timed setting where there is no possible way you can hit all the points in the time allotted.  This in addition to getting critiqued by your professors on your exams and trying to figure out what the hell "conclusory" means your first year.  This is why more ABA students pass the bar exam and why their curriculum has not changed much over the years. 

Since you are clear you want to stay at this school, I suggest you take a legal writing workshop such as Fleming's so you learn the formula and get some type of practice.  While an internship will help with the practical part of law practice, I'm not sure why a thesis would be a part of their curriculum.  I think those final projects are what concerns me the most about this school since it has nothing to do with legal analysis or exam preparation.  Those skills are crucial to passing the bar and it takes time to hone the skill.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on June 17, 2013, 10:44:28 PM
I am not at Mid-Atlantic.  I don't have the money to attend any law school.  In addition to being a volunteer paralegal, I am studying for the certified paralegal exam.  I am just defending Mid-Atlantic because the right person can get something out of self study.  It is impossible to read 100% of the cases cited in each Gilberts volume. If any student read all the cases cited in each Gilberts volume, it would take him/her 15 years to get through the basic curriculum.   The cases in the typical law students' casebook are shortened considerably.  The cases cited in each Gilberts volume are going to be the real deal.  One case in and of itself can be 40 pages long.  If you are really churning out 40 pages per class, per night, you probably don't have any children and you don't have a job.  Many people don't have that luxury.

What I do believe regarding ABA accredited brick and mortar schools, is that sometimes, a truly bad person is weeded out.  There are hundreds of lawyers who are disbarred every year because they lie, cheat, and steal from their clients.  It would be worse if the ABA filter was not in place at all.  Unaccredited law schools, like Mid-Atlantic,  do not really provide any kind of filter.  So, if someone completes the Mid-Atlantic curriculum, petitions California and passes the California bar, the client doesn't really know what kind of attorney he is signing a contract with.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Cher1300 on June 18, 2013, 07:12:24 PM
You are correct in that we only read parts of a case that pertains to the particular topic we are learning from a case book because it would be impossible to read numerous cases that are 40 pages long.  But it is still A LOT of reading that can be anywhere from 40 - 80 pages per week per class.  In Constitutional Law for example, we had read 72 cases by the time we had our midterm.  Although they weren't 40 pages long, it was still hours and hours of reading.  Did I brief them all?  Hell no, but did get the issue and holding from smaller cases.  That said, there are many law students in my class with children that work full-time - including moms - and go at night.  I don't know how they do it.  I don't have children but had a full-time job for my first two years which was stressful enough.

I absolutely agree that self-study is doable - people do it all the time with online law schools.  However, it's the curriculum of this school and the fact they are not registered with any state bar that most people have an issue with.  Branding or no, one still needs to be able to take the bar and pass it to be a lawyer, and that's why people are calling it a scam.

That said law schools are very expensive and paralegals can make decent money for a lot less spent on their education.  Good luck with your exam!
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on June 23, 2013, 11:44:54 AM
One major plus regarding being a paralegal is that I will never have to be a rainmaker.  I tried that while I held a series' 7/63 license and I didn't like begging clients for their business.

We keep going around in circles regarding which unaccredited law school is a scam and which one is not.  I think the entire FYLSE-state approved California law school program is a scam.  These schools actually have students believing they can pass the exam on the first try , by studying one or two hours a day.  For a whole year,  these schools waive the you-can-do-it carrot in from of the students' face and then blame the student for being so stupid when he/she fails.  The FYLSE is a real three-subject bar exam.  It takes at least 8 hours a day of dedicated study, everyday for the entire year to pass the first time.

I think that students should either attend an ABA approved law school or opt to become a paralegal.  All these other programs are just a waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: livinglegend on June 23, 2013, 12:11:59 PM
I don't think CBA schools are a scam and they implement more or less the same program as an ABA school. I also think the FYLSE is a good idea for all law schools as I know many ABA grads from various school that never passed the bar being exposed to the pressure of a bar exam early on would be a good idea.

Additionally ABA schools never tell you how much to study having been through a an ABA J.D. program I imagine a CBA school is more or less the same. If you want to be a lawyer you have to use judgment and common sense and be realistic about your workload. If you attend an ABA or CBA school you will have to bu** your ass to get through school and more importantly the bar exam.

I do not know anything about this Mid-Atlantic School of Law, but I think any school that is purely online is a scam that is not the case with CBA schools. My point is that CBA schools are not the best option, but they are certainly better than a online school and for the most part if you want to only be in California they will likely provide the same educational program as an ABA program.

Additionally whether you make it in the legal profession will be much more up to you and your dedication than the school you attend.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Executive on June 23, 2013, 07:10:34 PM
So, if someone completes the Mid-Atlantic curriculum, petitions California and passes the California bar, the client doesn't really know what kind of attorney he is signing a contract with.

Only graduaes from unaccredited law schools registered with the California Committee of Bar Examiners are allowed to sit the bar exam. MASL has no recognition in California or any other state. Using a JD from MASL might even land you some trouble in those states where it's an offense to use an unaccredited degree.

The bottom line is no state bar anywhere would approve of a law curriculum based around Gilbert Law Summaries, much less a school without a law faculty.



Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on July 04, 2013, 08:32:50 AM
www.blackstone.edu.  it is DETC accredited.  It is directed at an audience with zero knowledge of the law.  Completing it renders the graduate eligible to take NALA's Certified Paralegal exam.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 09, 2013, 06:14:16 PM
Passaroa Blackstone is not a law school, its legal faculty consists of one guy with apparentkly a legitimate JD but no law license.

Why don't you look into being a McKenzie friend?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKenzie_friend
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on July 10, 2013, 02:15:16 AM
I never said that www.blackstone.edu is a law school.  The other person wanted to know which paralegal course I took.  My answer was the legal assistant course at www.blackstone.edu.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on July 22, 2013, 09:27:34 PM
I agree  Angie Calif schools try to make believe they offer some thing unique .Masl provides a similar education at a fraction of the price..
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 24, 2013, 09:07:58 PM
REALLY GOOD LEGAL LOGIC - m*sl is just same as good as one of the dawgon California schools 'cept you can't take the bar, can't become lawyer and the degree is completely unaccredited and the school is a sham and run from an offshore mail drop, did I mention the website looks like it was done in Wordpress by someone's 12 year brother?  You might as well just get a diploma mill JD and cut out the middleman.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on July 24, 2013, 09:45:29 PM
Nothing is impossible.   In California, students can sit for the FYLSE and, ultimately, the California bar simply by studying the law in a judge's or attorney's office.  A superbroke (like me), but really motivated student can enroll in Mid-Atlantic, read, and brief, at least 25 cases of the court opinions cited in each Gilbert's volume, do an internship or write a book synthesizing a legal issue and petition the California Supreme Court to show it what the student can do.  There are many court opinions written by the courts of several state supreme courts discussing the very issue of the petitioner seeking to take that state's bar exam because the student had not attended an accredited law school.  Read the case law. 

The petitioner will have a pretty tough burden of proof because Mid-Atlantic is not accredited.  But, the petitioner will have meticulous notes demonstrating that he/she has acquired the necessary knowledge.  And, his/her very petition and oral argument before the court will hint at actual proof that he/she has what it takes to be an attorney.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on July 25, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
I AGREE I am a student of MASL and will be working with a local attorney .Angie has it right ,any thing is possible.Iam a New York resident and there are obtions for the DC bar.       
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on July 25, 2013, 09:01:19 AM
You will have to have an almost encyclopedic knowledge of the law simply because Mid Atlantic is not an ABA approved school.  But, you can achieve your goal.  It is your knowledge of the law that will make you a lawyer; not the name of the school you graduated from.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on July 25, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
I agree it is not easy and it takes a lot of work..Ron
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on July 25, 2013, 11:53:49 AM
It is your knowledge of the law that will make you a lawyer; not the name of the school you graduated from.

I more or less agree with you. I meet people here in CA every single day that went to small, local, non-ABA schools and are successful attorneys.

That said, the chances of successfully challenging a state bar in court are nearly zero. Remember, state bars are allowed to set their own policies. They aren't obligated to admit anyone. That fact that one state has admitted a non-accredited student does not set a precedent for any other state.

Why choose the most difficult and uncertain path? I've asked this before, has any MASL student been admitted to any bar in the U.S.? Even in CA, which has the most open policies of any state, I don't think the MASL degree alone would qualify one to take the bar.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 26, 2013, 09:05:38 PM
No M*SL student will admitted to the California or DC Bars - the apocryphal stories by N##VUS and M#SL involve would be lawyers studying in maybe law offices - it is just a sad scam and the true believers will not admit reality.  Reality check - How come no one associated with those schools (including so called deans) is actually a member of a bar?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on July 27, 2013, 09:56:18 AM
I DO NOT UNDER STAND ,a Want a be law office?What is wrong with a mentoring in a top NY law firm .Read the rules about the NY bar..... Getting accepted to any BAR is passing a test and convincing  the committee you are ready to be a lawyer..Spending a ton of money on a calif program  makes little sense ..Ron-- BBA -MBA   
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on July 27, 2013, 03:15:08 PM
IWhat is wrong with a mentoring in a top NY law firm .Read the rules about the NY bar.....

There is nothing wrong with it, but I believe the option is limited to applicants who have first completed at least one year at an approved school. I'm not familiar with NY's rules, but I know that here in CA the law office study method still has to meet some formal requirements. Reports of hours, subjects studied, etc. have to be provided to the bar and approved.

Getting accepted to any BAR is passing a test and convincing  the committee you are ready to be a lawyer.. 

In the most literal sense I suppose that's true, but it's overly simplistic. Before you can attempt to convince the committee of anything, you've got to pass the bar. Passing the bar isn't just about memorizing rules. It's about learning to recognize what the bar examiners are looking for, and how they want it presented.

Based on the incredibly low number of applicants admitted via the office study route, it seems that this method is not very good at developing those skills. It doesn't mean that it can't be done, but look at the numbers.
 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 27, 2013, 04:56:01 PM
M$$L is enaged in SEO here eusing a variety of sock puppets. It is a scam. It is not a law school.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on July 27, 2013, 08:33:09 PM
Great then I can attend TORO a ABA  approved school   for 1 year, they have a special program,this  with my degree at MASL  will let me sit for the DC BAR and like you said with Mentoring  may be the NY BAR..
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on July 28, 2013, 12:32:06 AM
Can MASL provide you with proof that even one single student has successfully done this, or are we just talking in hypotheticals? I'd be highly skeptical before dropping tens of thousands of dollars on a hypothetical. 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on July 28, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
Tens of thousand ?1 year at Toro is not that high,Thank god,,
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: passaroa25 on July 28, 2013, 01:37:21 PM
At least Mid-Atlantic is transparent regarding its method of instruction.  While I was at Mercer, I sat in the back of most of my classes.  And, you know what I saw?  That at least half of the class.  No, three quarters of the students had the canned court opinion briefs in front of them.  I felt like an idiot being pretty much one of the only students who read the court opinions and briefed them on her own.  So, while the case books are part of the curriculum, how many students actually read them?  So, it is not the form of education that matters.  Substance is what matters.    I still place Mid Atlantic among all the online law schools with a California address.  Mid Atlantic just happens to be cheaper.  And, all Mid Atlantic has to do is incorporate in California and it will be on the state approved list.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on July 28, 2013, 02:06:42 PM
Tens of thousand ?1 year at Toro is not that high,Thank god,,

Tuition at Touro is $42,000 (full time) or $32,000 (part time). 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on July 28, 2013, 02:30:56 PM
 I agree with you .People put the calif programs on a higher level .Getting to be  a licensed  lawyer is very hard with any non ABA  program ,at least you will not break the bank with MASL.Angie send me an E  mail ..Ron'
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on July 28, 2013, 08:06:48 PM
Mid Atlantic will not qualify as a distance learning law school in California for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with where it is incorporated:

http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/4/documents/Education/Rules_Title4_Div3-UnAcc-Law-Sch.pdf

How about utter lack of faculty or any licensed attorneys for starters?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on August 01, 2013, 04:43:39 PM
How do you know if there are any lawyers on there staff.Who reviews there work.?WHY IS CALIF the standard for non ABA SCHOOLS ? i THINK WITH ALL THE CALIF schools and the amount of students who get all the way to passing the REAL BAR the #s are not good.I think   WITH OUT GOING TO A ABA approved school your chances of be coming a lawyer in any state is very low..
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 01, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
Well who is on the faculty?  The website lists no one.  In fact who is the "dean" of the esteemed "law school?"

At a California registered distance learning school, I'd say the odds are at least 20% or better of passing the  bar if you get past the baby bar.  That beats no chance since  M*SL or N++VUS can't seem to name a single graudate who passed a bar, any bar.  Check Taft Law School - they list alumni who successfully passed the bar.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 01, 2013, 08:03:37 PM
WHY IS CALIF the standard for non ABA SCHOOLS ?

California is the default standard for distance and correspondence law schools because no other state has them.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on August 02, 2013, 07:40:53 AM
The Director of MASL is Dr Paschal Baxter he has a linked in account.I also think he is graduate of a Calif law school.Novus is very expensive and in my opinion may not be worth it.Using your figures of a passing rate of 20% after passing the baby BAR which also has a very low passing rate does not bide well for the non ABA route to becoming a lawyer .
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 02, 2013, 08:44:26 AM
Dr. Paschal Baxter DC is a Chiropracter as has been reported here previously:

http://www.ehealthscores.com/providers/izd-lqsstftwlz/BAXTER-PASCHAL.html

He also appears to be an inactive member of the NC Bar:

http://www.ncbar.gov/gxweb/viewmember.aspx?30851,
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 02, 2013, 09:04:35 AM
I'd take 20% over 0% anyday.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on August 02, 2013, 02:57:44 PM
How about all the money it takes to go to these calif schools 20% is not great when 80% are laying out thousands.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on August 02, 2013, 07:04:26 PM
Some of the California distance learning and correspondence law degrees are recognized by other academic instutions - Taft, California Southern, Southwestern, and Henley-Putnam are accredited by DETC.
Even if one does not pass the bar - the degree has some recognition as opposed to ones that don't or like MA$L never will.


Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on August 03, 2013, 03:50:18 PM
All that sounds good but really means nothing .I think a MBA or PHD from University of Phoenix or AIU   well known on line schools, WOULD   BE MONEY BETTER SPENT..
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: jalanjohnson71 on October 03, 2013, 09:51:27 PM
All that sounds good but really means nothing .I think a MBA or PHD from University of Phoenix or AIU   well known on line schools, WOULD   BE MONEY BETTER SPENT..

You are only kidding, right??
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: cobes1996 on October 31, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
I have tried to contact this school a few times and have received no answer.  Is this a typical response from MASL?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: vanceap3 on October 31, 2013, 05:48:34 PM
No...everytime I contacted them via email, I usually got a response within 2 days.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on November 24, 2013, 07:43:54 PM
Consider yourself lucky if they don't respond.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: leadfoot on February 05, 2014, 03:51:41 PM
HI I HAVE ALSO TRY TO CONTACT THIS SCHOOL ARE THEY STILL IN BUSINESS.?Called 2 times plus 2 e mails any feed back appreciated --Ron
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on February 05, 2014, 04:12:43 PM
Any law school that doesn't pick up the phone or respond to email should raise red flags.   
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on February 05, 2014, 06:01:52 PM
MASL is not picking up the phone or answering emails because you do not know the magic password.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: vanceap3 on September 17, 2014, 02:19:45 PM
I have tried to contact this school a few times and have received no answer.  Is this a typical response from MASL?
The Director of MASL, Dr. Baxter Paschal, has passed away.  The web page for MASL has been taken down and emails are returned to sender.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: DeltaBravoKS on September 17, 2014, 05:05:19 PM
So, I guess he was not only the director, but the web master and mail reader...
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: vanceap3 on September 18, 2014, 05:06:38 PM
I guess you are right Delta!
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on September 20, 2014, 05:45:54 PM
Obituary says he was a chiropractor not a lawyer.

http://www.thepilot.com/obituaries/baxter-worth-paschal-jr/article_b46d90b8-0f77-11e4-916b-001a4bcf6878.html

I do not like to speak disrespectfully of the deceased but he appears to have gotten his legal experience after being sentenced by the IRS for some sort of tax evasion:

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/north-carolina/ncmdce/1:2008cv00111/47854

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca4/06-4376/064376.u-2011-03-14.html
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: vanceap3 on September 21, 2014, 04:00:27 PM
If you don't like to speak disrespectfully of the deceased, then don't!
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: barprephero on September 22, 2014, 06:27:45 PM
If you don't like to speak disrespectfully of the deceased, then don't!
Its ok to speak reality, his post was pretty respectful all things considered.
Reality doesn't stop being reality once you die.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: barprephero on September 22, 2014, 06:31:03 PM
How do you know if there are any lawyers on there staff.Who reviews there work.?WHY IS CALIF the standard for non ABA SCHOOLS ? i THINK WITH ALL THE CALIF schools and the amount of students who get all the way to passing the REAL BAR the #s are not good.I think   WITH OUT GOING TO A ABA approved school your chances of be coming a lawyer in any state is very low..
their (multiple times)
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without is one word
not sure if I've even since CALIF as an abbreviation
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not sure how to deal with that
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: barprephero on September 22, 2014, 06:32:56 PM
All that sounds good but really means nothing .I think a MBA or PHD from University of Phoenix or AIU   well known on line schools, WOULD   BE MONEY BETTER SPENT..

You are only kidding, right??
How so, seems spot on to me.
Even more so when you factor in Regional Accrediting vs non accredited at all
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: barprephero on September 22, 2014, 06:33:49 PM
Some of the California distance learning and correspondence law degrees are recognized by other academic instutions - Taft, California Southern, Southwestern, and Henley-Putnam are accredited by DETC.
Even if one does not pass the bar - the degree has some recognition as opposed to ones that don't or like MA$L never will.
DETC is national, most don't respect that. If you want to aim for that, go to Concord at least they are Regional (the only one that is I think)
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: barprephero on September 22, 2014, 06:35:33 PM
The Director of MASL is Dr Paschal Baxter he has a linked in account.I also think he is graduate of a Calif law school.Novus is very expensive and in my opinion may not be worth it.Using your figures of a passing rate of 20% after passing the baby BAR which also has a very low passing rate does not bide well for the non ABA route to becoming a lawyer .
Novus is dirt cheap, and also NOT ABLE TO SIT THE BAR. So the stats you gave are straight up lies. If anyone sits the bar with Novus they qualified WITHOUT it anyways.

Now I have to ask, does anyone have a link to this "school" that is compared to the illegal fake school with fake stats?
Sorry to multiple post on this, but this is just sad
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on September 24, 2014, 06:19:07 AM
The Director of MASL is Dr Paschal Baxter he has a linked in account.I also think he is graduate of a Calif law school.Novus is very expensive and in my opinion may not be worth it.Using your figures of a passing rate of 20% after passing the baby BAR which also has a very low passing rate does not bide well for the non ABA route to becoming a lawyer .
Novus is dirt cheap, and also NOT ABLE TO SIT THE BAR. So the stats you gave are straight up lies. If anyone sits the bar with Novus they qualified WITHOUT it anyways.

Now I have to ask, does anyone have a link to this "school" that is compared to the illegal fake school with fake stats?
Sorry to multiple post on this, but this is just sad

I am really curious how these so called law schools can operate at all.  Apparently anyone, even a non lawyer, can set up a law school and make claims with impunity?  I thought education was a regulated field, especially law. 
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on September 24, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
I agree.

It seems like the only gatekeeper activity is the granting or denial of accreditation. But if you don't care about accreditation anyway, so what?

Presumably, you could start a correspondence "law school" in your garage even though you're not a lawyer, never get a single student to pass any state bar exam, and continue to operate with no oversight. Amazing.

Germany has limited the use of terms such as "university" to combat scam diplomas. We could do the same, as the use of terms like "law school" is highly misleading in some circumstances. This seems like a basic consumer fraud issue, but I guess there just isn't any interest in enforcing it.   
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on September 24, 2014, 10:45:14 AM
However there are rules about making false claims:

"The Novus Juris Doctor - JD program allows the opportunity for bar admission through attorney supervised study and DC bar admission or through Specialized Administrative & National Courts, Agencies & Tribunals."

Attorney Supervised Study would have nothing to do with Novus, these plans operate independently under their own rules.

DC Bar Admission - does have a clause that non  ABA law school grads can qualify to take the bar qualify with an additional 26 hours ABA study BUT since Novus is not registered as a law school with any state, it is not a law school just because it chooses to call itself one.  In my opinion this is a false statement unless Novus can point to a single graduate who qualified to take the DC bar.

Specialized Administrative & National Courts, Agencies & Tribunals - WOTF is a National Court or Tribunal?  Administrative agencies do not confer attorney licenses.  One cannot become a member of a USDC without passing the bar - so what is this balderdash?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: barprephero on September 24, 2014, 12:58:40 PM
CA is pretty notorious for allowing non accredited schools. They used to have agencies on the state level to approved them, BOTH got shut down, so now I think they only have the BBB handle it. So basically a hot dog vender has the same requirements as a "school" in CA anymore
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: legalpractitioner on September 26, 2014, 07:09:32 PM
http://www.bppe.ca.gov/
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: barprephero on September 26, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
http://www.bppe.ca.gov/
they must have brought it back, its still a f-ing pathetic joke though
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: DeltaBravoKS on September 30, 2014, 10:10:42 PM
Except, at least you can get a hot dog from a hot dog vendor!
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: barprephero on October 01, 2014, 09:08:02 PM
Except, at least you can get a hot dog from a hot dog vendor!
I smell a joke, but I don't get it
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: DeltaBravoKS on October 02, 2014, 07:44:35 AM
Yes, that was a reply to a previous poster's comment comparing a hot dog to Mid-Atlantic.  For some reason, it doesn't always quote the post I'm replying to...
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: calvinexpress on December 13, 2014, 10:32:05 PM
Is this law school still open? I can't find a website for them. Anybody have a link?
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: vanceap3 on December 14, 2014, 03:45:25 PM
No, MASL is out of business.
Title: Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
Post by: cautious on May 04, 2015, 05:09:11 PM
Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law - Earned my JD from MASL in 2013.  Started at age 63 and finished at age 67.  Never intended to take the BAR EXAM. Learned a lot and in fact, have litigated cases in both local circuit, federal courts and appeals in both courts as a Pro Se litigant.  If I were a teacher, the method used at MASL is what I would use.  You have to read the entire book before you can outline it.  Then you have to go through the book again to outline it.  Then you have to submit a 1500 word composition on the subject.  The curriculum is the SAME as it it in a brick and mortar school and once you read the book on each subject, re-read it to outline it, type the outline, and then research a 1500 word composition on the subject, I guarantee you that you have LEARNED that subject, PLUS you always have an outline to go back to.  People who attend brick and mortar schools do not retain all the information they are taught.  It's impossible unless they use it day in and day out and most lawyers use law clerks or paralegals to do all their research, brief writing, etc.  All the lawyer does is litigate the case in court which is the one and only thing an MASL graduate can't do.  Well worth the time and especially the money.  Why would I want  to spend a couple hundred thousand dollars to learn the law when I'm not even going to practice. However that last statement is not even true.  Anyone can practice in court.  I've been a pro se litigant for myself five times in court. on civil law suits and on those that were dismissed without prejudice, I filed appeals on.  Once you've learned the basics of each legal subject (civil procedure for example) you can take if as far as you want.  Great program and very satisfied with my results.