Law School Discussion

Law Students => Current Law Students => Topic started by: SR0909SR on September 14, 2010, 06:29:55 PM

Title: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: SR0909SR on September 14, 2010, 06:29:55 PM
I will be starting law school in the spring ( obviously I am not entering a tier 1 school), but I was really excited about it! However, after reading some of these threads it seems that most people have gained negative feelings about law school and the legal field after entering law school. Is it really that bad? Am I naive in my optimism? Are there some who gained more enthusiasm about law during law school? I sure hope so!
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: Hamilton on September 14, 2010, 07:43:38 PM
From my perspective, the lack of enthusiasm is the bad job market, ever increasing supply of JDs, dishonest emplyment stats from the law schools, and tuition that can cause financial ruin for many people.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: bigs5068 on September 15, 2010, 10:45:56 AM
Be excited man. I go to a tier 4 and I have loved it, honestly there are people that bit** and moan about everything. Whether they went to Harvard or some lower school. If you want to be lawyer then go to law school. There is a chance it might not work out, but that risk is present nobody what you do. Remember education is a long-term investment if you graduate law school and pass the bar you can be an attorney for 40 years, but in any career you will have your ups and downs. It is also very hard to get your start in any career, but if you work at it you can make it happen. Well good luck to you.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: bigs5068 on September 15, 2010, 11:08:38 AM
Also ask yourself what kind of person goes on a website and blames all their failures on someone else. Generally the person in a lot these negative comments about schools blames everyone, but themselves. If you graduate from law school there probably won't be employers waiting with 100k contracts as you walk off the stage, but if you apply to jobs and put some effort you can probably find something. Honestly, in my class all the people that I think are hard working etc have been doing alright for themselves. Then there are those that  take no initiative at all and take no accountability. As an example my friend who is a really cool person wanted a job this summer, I had one. Somebody ended up backing out to work a judge so there was a spot open, the person had asked if there were any opening when I first got it so I told them about the spot. Gave them the contact info, but they never ended up applying to it and it didn't seem like they applied to anything. I asked if this person registered for OCI again no. Basically anytime there is a little bit of effort necessary they don't do it and I am sure when graduation comes they will be baffled that nobody is hiring them.  Then instead of taking initiative and trying to find a job they will come onto LSD and write long rambling paragraphs like this one bit**ing and moaning.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: Hamilton on September 15, 2010, 03:14:27 PM
I think this is an unfair characterization by you toward anyone speaking about the downside and pitfalls of law school.  I am sucessful in my non-law career and quite happy.  I blame nobody for anything, nor do I feel entitled to a job.  And I think those feelings are applicable to most others.  We are merely pointing out realistic pitfalls that we have encountered.  When we say the job market is brutal we are simply pointing out a fact, not blaming anyone for lack of legal employment.

Also ask yourself what kind of person goes on a website and blames all their failures on someone else. Generally the person in a lot these negative comments about schools blames everyone, but themselves.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: Morten Lund on September 15, 2010, 03:37:41 PM
I'll be honest - I didn't particularly enjoy law school.

As it turns out, however, I thoroughly enjoy the practice of law, which strikes me as more important.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: bigs5068 on September 15, 2010, 05:44:02 PM
Hamilton you give appropriate responses nothing ridiclously negative, but there are people that just go on and on about how unfair everything is. You merely say the market may be oversaturated and difficult, which it might be. However, people do succeed although this is a very difficult time for the legal profession. There are people that go on and on and on about how unfair it is and how they can not find a job, and need to take the J.D. resume etc and that is just like c'mon that is ridiculous.

Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: Julie Fern on September 16, 2010, 12:15:35 AM
all this absolutely unfair.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: Angelvoice on October 02, 2010, 07:51:05 AM
Personally, I too find most of the information on this website extremely negative.  I was very excited about my decision to go to law school until I came upon this site.  Yet, here I am still.  Reading away.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: louiebstef on October 02, 2010, 09:41:46 AM
THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm taking my Easy Bake Oven and applying to Betty Crocker University.

I really NEED that househusband position now.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: nealric on October 02, 2010, 01:16:07 PM
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Personally, I too find most of the information on this website extremely negative.  I was very excited about my decision to go to law school until I came upon this site.  Yet, here I am still.  Reading away.

Lol- this one of the more positive websites. Try xoxohth.com or jdunderground.com if you want negative.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: bigs5068 on October 02, 2010, 02:17:50 PM
Yea JDUnderground is ridiculous. I  am always amazed that these people who are "allegedly" looking so hard to find a job manage to compile websites and write about how miserable they are.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: kenpostudent on October 03, 2010, 04:23:43 PM
I suppose there might be difficulty when trying to break into some sectors of the legal job market. Big Law is suffering, and only some of the smaller regional firms are starting to hire again. Yet, I got a ticket a few months ago. I found an attorney here in Las Vegas that does nothing but tickets and DUIs. When I went to his office, he was chillin in jeans and a t-shirt, and he looked like Eddie Vedder with hair down to his mid-back. He said he makes well over $100k a year just handling traffic stuff. He goes to court a few times a week, but chills the rest of the time. While all my classmates are fighting over the big law jobs that pay $105k, he's laughing all the way to the bank. He has no a$$ to kiss, and no drama. If he can do, so can many others. So, I suppose that your career is what you make of it.

I also know of a few small attorneys in town who are struggling. I'm not saying that it's easy street for the sole practitioner. However, for those who are smart and motivated, there are opportunities.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: smartandunique on October 03, 2010, 04:44:36 PM
A lot of people go to law school for the wrong reason.Trust, I would be pissed if I took out a mortgage size loan for school, graduated and couldn't find a job. However I'd give the market a chance first.Some people skip being frustrated and go straight to anger because they think they are entitled to a job or a certain kind of job.(salary,field..)
Don't lose ur perspective or enthusiam, just be realistic.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: bigs5068 on October 03, 2010, 05:08:06 PM
Yea it is competitive a degree does not guarantee you anything. Passing the bar is a test for MINIMAL COMPETENCE. Most people are not looking to hire someone that just got by. I mean there are people in my school that I know will be writing on those websites. They are online all class and screwing around. They were shocked that since they did not fail out the first year and were in the bottom 50% that people were not lined out the door to interview them. The world is competitive and nothing is guaranteed. If you want to be a lawyer there is only one way to do it and that is to go to law school. Don't write a bunch of bullsh** after you make that decision that it is hard. You should realize that if you want to be a lawyer it is going to be HARD. School in any field gives you BASIC COMPETENCE. There are plenty of people that are far more than minimally competent and you need to be one of them to have someone pay you. Even if you know what you are doing someone somewhere will probably be better than you. Real life is hard you need to get used to it and not bit** and moan.
Title: Re: These discussions are killing me....
Post by: Thane Messinger on October 03, 2010, 05:27:05 PM
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Personally, I too find most of the information on this website extremely negative.  I was very excited about my decision to go to law school until I came upon this site.  Yet, here I am still.  Reading away.

Lol- this one of the more positive websites. Try xoxohth.com or jdunderground.com if you want negative.

Miguel & All

Indeed so.  There seems also a reflective resistance to negativity--perhaps because it seems so, well, negative. 

Raw negativity can be good, if expressed for the right reasons and interpreted in the right ways.  Anyone who signs up for mortgage-size student debt and finds the job market disappearing is going to be upset, at best.  Add a dollop of disillusionment and a pinch of a law school system that is marginally randomized (especially given how most students approach it), and you've a recipe for some serious (and all-too-real) negativity. 

The lesson for everyone should be the same as it should have been all along:  Do you belong in law school?  If yes, don't look back.  Figure out the right path, sure, but take the atmosphere negativity with a grain of your favorite seasoning.  If you're not sure, soak up this negativity and ask whether it deters you.  If yes, stop.  Don't go.  Law school is too much, too expensive, and a prelude to a jealous career.  Not good if that's not the one you want.

Thane.

PS:  The atmosphere at Top Law Schools was almost comical in its reactions--at least for the short time I had fun there.