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Title: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: marcus-aurelius on July 17, 2010, 09:31:31 AM
My LSAT score is a 173.  MY GPA for my entire undergraduate career will be a 3.5. I went to school (college) from 2000-2001 and was simply not interested in education.  I dropped out.  I went back in 2007 and have recevied all A's short of 1 A- (my graduating GPA will be a 3.98)

I volunteer with the local county courthouse and have interned at a law office as well.

My question is what are my chances for a top 10 school?  I will write an addendum explaining my progression.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Scroll on July 17, 2010, 09:42:30 AM
You dropped out from high school? After how many years?
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: marcus-aurelius on July 17, 2010, 09:47:39 AM
I dropped out of college. I went to college from 2000-2001. I dropped out there.  I then went back in 2007 until the present.  I'm done in December
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: BikePilot on July 18, 2010, 04:31:03 PM
Probably worth explaining the situation in your PS or an extra letter.  You'll do much better than someone with a standard 3.5gpa and not as well as someone with a full 3.98.  Overall I'd guess you've got a reasonable shot at all the top 10 and a very good shot at the lower 1/3rd of the top 10.  The more recent performance is probably all that really matters in guessing  how well you'll do in law school, but law schools are also interested in moving themselves up the USNWR rankings and of course the LSAC reported UGPA is a big factor there.... Expect to do better at schools less nervous about their rank than those more nervous.

Note that the LSAC "normalizes" your gpa and spits out a number.  Its possible you'll get a boost from that too - I don't know how they handle situations like yours.  My GPA at a not-so-great state school got bumped up by about 0.1.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: marcus-aurelius on July 18, 2010, 06:27:02 PM
Probably worth explaining the situation in your PS or an extra letter.  You'll do much better than someone with a standard 3.5gpa and not as well as someone with a full 3.98.  Overall I'd guess you've got a reasonable shot at all the top 10 and a very good shot at the lower 1/3rd of the top 10.  The more recent performance is probably all that really matters in guessing  how well you'll do in law school, but law schools are also interested in moving themselves up the USNWR rankings and of course the LSAC reported UGPA is a big factor there.... Expect to do better at schools less nervous about their rank than those more nervous.

Note that the LSAC "normalizes" your gpa and spits out a number.  Its possible you'll get a boost from that too - I don't know how they handle situations like yours.  My GPA at a not-so-great state school got bumped up by about 0.1.

My PS is about the moment when I said it is time to leave the family business and head back to school.  It gones on how I developed my potential and fought against the tide.  I plan on adding an addendum to my applications to explain the difference.  Hopefully everything works out.

That being said, I was planning on applying to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, Chicago, UPENN, UC Berkeley, Georgetown, Duke, UNC. Figure that gives me a wide enough net to where I should be fine
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Morten Lund on July 20, 2010, 02:17:35 PM

That being said, I was planning on applying to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, Chicago, UPENN, UC Berkeley, Georgetown, Duke, UNC. Figure that gives me a wide enough net to where I should be fine

Something is missing from that list...  You should apply to Yale as well.  If you make it past the initial screening, I suspect Yale will be more willing than many other schools to consider your special circumstances.

I also agree with bike on the general subject.

Either way, good luck.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: marcus-aurelius on July 20, 2010, 04:12:53 PM

That being said, I was planning on applying to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, Chicago, UPENN, UC Berkeley, Georgetown, Duke, UNC. Figure that gives me a wide enough net to where I should be fine

Something is missing from that list...  You should apply to Yale as well.  If you make it past the initial screening, I suspect Yale will be more willing than many other schools to consider your special circumstances.

I also agree with bike on the general subject.

Either way, good luck.

So Yale as well.  I figured they would be less likely to overlook the numbers because of the small class size compared to Harvard.  I have no qulams about adding another school to my list.  Thank you for both of your opinions
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: vintij on July 24, 2010, 01:46:35 PM
Depends on the school. Each school is a completely different universe when it comes to admissions and student body. Now, I'm no expert on the subject, but I know that certain schools (like Boalt for example) care more about GPA because they see less value in LSAT; where as other schools see all the value in LSAT and little in GPA. I would say you apply to a school that cares more about LSAT, which is many of the top 10. That is a great score by the way, anyone would be lucky to have it. Plus your GPA is not terrible.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 28, 2010, 01:41:14 PM
My LSAT score is a 173.  MY GPA for my entire undergraduate career will be a 3.5. I went to school (college) from 2000-2001 and was simply not interested in education.  I dropped out.  I went back in 2007 and have recevied all A's short of 1 A- (my graduating GPA will be a 3.98)

I volunteer with the local county courthouse and have interned at a law office as well.

My question is what are my chances for a top 10 school?  I will write an addendum explaining my progression.

//edited
Your chances at a top 10 are high.  Your chances at H and S are decent to good.  Your chances at Y could be fair depending on where you went to college and your softs.  H will forgive you for that one year if your undergraduate college is good or decent.....have seen it happen before.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 28, 2010, 01:43:08 PM
apply to Michigan too.  You should get money from there.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Jamie Stringer on July 28, 2010, 03:04:41 PM
I'm sorry, I really hate to be a dream crusher, but I'd wager to say you have absolutely no shot at HYS with your LSAC GPA. Your best bet will be to try for MVP on down, with special attention to the schools who seem to care more about the whole applicant (Michigan) or value work experience (Northwestern) or like high LSAT scores (Georgetown).
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 28, 2010, 03:53:48 PM
I disagree though it depends a lot on quality of college.  OP's overall gpa of 3.5 is solid and gpa of 3.98 since screwing up is stellar.  H takes a few people like OP every year and S less so and Y even less so.  Only chance at Y is if college is good with good softs.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 28, 2010, 04:13:32 PM
and OP, good luck
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Jamie Stringer on July 28, 2010, 05:23:25 PM
I disagree though it depends a lot on quality of college.  OP's overall gpa of 3.5 is solid and gpa of 3.98 since screwing up is stellar.  H takes a few people like OP every year and S less so and Y even less so.  Only chance at Y is if college is good with good softs.

No, not really. A 3.5 is not solid when it comes to law schools. In life, yes. Law schools, especially the ones discussed? No. Quality of school comes in when you're talking about HYP. The 3.98 is great, but unfortunately that's not the GPA that schools use or report to USNWR or elsewhere. The GPA is especially not "good" ITE when spots at law schools are even more competitive because of the glut of people applying. HYS might take a couple of people (a handful, at maximum) who have similar scores to the OP, but nothing in his first post suggests that he's in a position to stand out like those individuals are. Plus, see the following:

http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://stanford.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://yale.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

Granted, I recognize that is not all the applicants, but it's probably a representative sample. Also, look at http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/?page_id=11 which has a 3.5/173 as a DENY at HY and a Weak Consider at S. Absent some sort of stellar *something* in the OP's background, he has a better shot taking the $87 to Vegas than getting into, minimally, HY.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 28, 2010, 05:56:43 PM
I don't know your background but you are still being too harsh.  You are the type of person I hope never ends up on an admissions board.  3.5 from a quality school and a 173 LSAT already gives a great but not automatic shot at CCN.  It is amusing that you equate quality school with HYP.  A 3.5 from any of the Ivy League schools and other comparable schools and a 173 LSAT makes a very good numbers app.  Adding the fact that the OP only ruined one year and has a 3.98 the rest of the years makes his chances at HLS much greater if quality of college is decent to good.

You are right that there is not anything exceptional in OP's soft factors that he wrote in the original post, so Y is out and chances are slim at S.  OP still has reasonable shot at H and should apply thinking he has a legitimate shot.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Jamie Stringer on July 28, 2010, 08:18:24 PM
I don't know your background but you are still being too harsh.  You are the type of person I hope never ends up on an admissions board.  3.5 from a quality school and a 173 LSAT already gives a great but not automatic shot at CCN.  It is amusing that you equate quality school with HYP.  A 3.5 from any of the Ivy League schools and other comparable schools and a 173 LSAT makes a very good numbers app.  Adding the fact that the OP only ruined one year and has a 3.98 the rest of the years makes his chances at HLS much greater if quality of college is decent to good.

You are right that there is not anything exceptional in OP's soft factors that he wrote in the original post, so Y is out and chances are slim at S.  OP still has reasonable shot at H and should apply thinking he has a legitimate shot.

A great shot at CCN? No. A shot? Yes. CCN is most likely a reach. Again, absent a story, those ones will be hard.

You seem to be taking this very personally for some reason. I personally don't care if the OP chooses to apply to every T-14 school. But it's best to be realistic about the situation and I don't believe it's helpful for applicants to fluff them up and have them think that they've got better chances at schools than they do. I personally don't think that HYP are the only quality schools, but those are the schools that get the boost.

In any event, I'm not going to sit and list my resume, but there's a reason why I said what I did in this thread. OP can either choose to listen to someone who has been through the process, or listen to a 0L. Up to him.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 28, 2010, 08:24:31 PM
Where did you go to law school and what were your numbers?  I don't want to go through all your posts to find them.  I'm not taking it personally at all. I just think you are wrong and have a very negative view that does not reflect reality.

Let me ask you one question that should clear it all up for everyone.

How good of a chance at CCN do you think of the following hypothetical person?

Columbia undergrad/3.5 with 3.9 sophomore through senior years/173 LSAT/some work experience? 

Keep in mind I stated from the beginning that undergraduate school will matter a lot and we don't know which school OP went to.



I don't know your background but you are still being too harsh.  You are the type of person I hope never ends up on an admissions board.  3.5 from a quality school and a 173 LSAT already gives a great but not automatic shot at CCN.  It is amusing that you equate quality school with HYP.  A 3.5 from any of the Ivy League schools and other comparable schools and a 173 LSAT makes a very good numbers app.  Adding the fact that the OP only ruined one year and has a 3.98 the rest of the years makes his chances at HLS much greater if quality of college is decent to good.

You are right that there is not anything exceptional in OP's soft factors that he wrote in the original post, so Y is out and chances are slim at S.  OP still has reasonable shot at H and should apply thinking he has a legitimate shot.

A great shot at CCN? No. A shot? Yes. CCN is most likely a reach. Again, absent a story, those ones will be hard.

You seem to be taking this very personally for some reason. I personally don't care if the OP chooses to apply to every T-14 school. But it's best to be realistic about the situation and I don't believe it's helpful for applicants to fluff them up and have them think that they've got better chances at schools than they do. I personally don't think that HYP are the only quality schools, but those are the schools that get the boost.

In any event, I'm not going to sit and list my resume, but there's a reason why I said what I did in this thread. OP can either choose to listen to someone who has been through the process, or listen to a 0L. Up to him.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: the white rabbit on July 28, 2010, 09:18:46 PM
I don't think undergrad school matters all that much.

HYS are worth applying to, though I think they're reaches.

CCN are high targets.

I don't think grade trend counts for all that much.  And 3.5 isn't great for law school.  Jamie Stringer's assessment isn't particularly harsh from what I can tell.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 28, 2010, 10:02:42 PM
Flat out wrong but not as harsh as jamie.  My hypothetical has a great shot at at least one of CCN if not all.

Undergraduate school matters a lot.  A 3.5 GPA from a mediocre state school is vastly different from a 3.5 from Columbia.  CCN may take a small handful of students from mediocre state school while they may take 20-40 students from Columbia College.  Grade trends such as OP's do matter.  One bad year and 3 years of almost 4.0.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: the white rabbit on July 29, 2010, 02:36:49 AM
Undergraduate school matters a lot. 

What's your basis for saying this?
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: 'blueskies on July 29, 2010, 07:10:58 AM
Flat out wrong but not as harsh as jamie.  My hypothetical has a great shot at at least one of CCN if not all.

Undergraduate school matters a lot.  A 3.5 GPA from a mediocre state school is vastly different from a 3.5 from Columbia.  CCN may take a small handful of students from mediocre state school while they may take 20-40 students from Columbia College.  Grade trends such as OP's do matter.  One bad year and 3 years of almost 4.0.

noob...no.  not in terms of law school admissions.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Jamie Stringer on July 29, 2010, 07:19:04 AM
Where did you go to law school and what were your numbers?  I don't want to go through all your posts to find them.  I'm not taking it personally at all. I just think you are wrong and have a very negative view that does not reflect reality.

Let me ask you one question that should clear it all up for everyone.

How good of a chance at CCN do you think of the following hypothetical person?

Columbia undergrad/3.5 with 3.9 sophomore through senior years/173 LSAT/some work experience? 

Keep in mind I stated from the beginning that undergraduate school will matter a lot and we don't know which school OP went to.

I go to one of HYS and I have a higher ed background.

In terms of the above hypothetical person's chances at CCN, I think they'd have a better shot at NYU than Columbia or Chicago (and NYU with possibly $25K/year of Dean's Scholarship). My guess would be a hold at Chicago and Columbia at the outset barring some additional information (URM? Any significant awards?).

Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 29, 2010, 07:22:44 AM
That tone tickles me.  It matters.  For every 3.5 CLS takes from mediocre state school CLS takes five to ten 3.5 type students from an Ivy.  Are you familiar with probability?  YLS may take 5 from Columbia College while taking 60 students from Harvard College even though gpa and lsat statistics are equal or similar between the two.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 29, 2010, 07:24:43 AM
If you really go to HYS then I am amazed.

Hypothetical student has a very good shot at all of CCN.  There is no debating that.


Where did you go to law school and what were your numbers?  I don't want to go through all your posts to find them.  I'm not taking it personally at all. I just think you are wrong and have a very negative view that does not reflect reality.

Let me ask you one question that should clear it all up for everyone.

How good of a chance at CCN do you think of the following hypothetical person?

Columbia undergrad/3.5 with 3.9 sophomore through senior years/173 LSAT/some work experience? 

Keep in mind I stated from the beginning that undergraduate school will matter a lot and we don't know which school OP went to.

I go to one of HYS and I have a higher ed background.

In terms of the above hypothetical person's chances at CCN, I think they'd have a better shot at NYU than Columbia or Chicago (and NYU with possibly $25K/year of Dean's Scholarship). My guess would be a hold at Chicago and Columbia at the outset barring some additional information (URM? Any significant awards?).
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Jamie Stringer on July 29, 2010, 07:32:38 AM
If you really go to HYS then I am amazed.

Where do you go to law school, genius? From reading your prior posts, it looks like you're still tackling the LSAT.

(http://www.techbandits.com/kickball/gmot/images/week4/feminine hygiene product.jpg)

Hypothetical student has a very good shot at all of CCN.  There is no debating that.

You are moving the target here. Your original point was that the OP had a legit shot at HYS (and you were wrong). I just decided to look up the LSN data now to prove my point re: CCN and, unsurprisingly, it basically backs up what I said above (which is to say that the OP has a better chance at NYU than CC and that those schools will also be tough):

http://columbia.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://nyu.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats
http://chicago.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats

In short, please DIACF.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 29, 2010, 07:54:15 AM
The first thing that is wrong is that you picked stats for the toughest admissions season in the last several decades.  The second thing that is wrong is that you are severely discounting OP's three stellar years and one bad year.  The third ting that is wrong is that you and others are severly discounting the strength of applicant's college and your distorted concept that only HYP get a boost.  OP does have a legit but not good shot at HYS if OP goes to a respectable school.  Even taking the HYS discussion off the table you are still undeniably wrong about the chances of the hypothetical student getting into CCN.  In no place have I gone off table since the original post was also about chances at a top 10 where you replied OP should be targeting MVP rather than schools ranked above....WRONG

I won't count on any 0L, current student, or lawyer to concede their point so I suppose this exercise is pointless. 
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: 'blueskies on July 29, 2010, 08:16:37 AM
You could never get into H,Y, or S

First of all, she did.  You are the one who doesn't know how the law school admissions systems works and you don't want to believe the truth.  She knows how the system works and what it takes to get into those schools.

The first thing that is wrong is that you picked stats for the toughest admissions season in the last several decades. 

She picked the most recent year, which is not wrong.  Because the economy is still recovering, this admissions cycle will be very similar.

The second thing that is wrong is that you are severely undervaluing OP's three stellar years and one bad year.

You are overestimating the effect of three good years.  Yes, it's better that the OP has three good years to show instead of 4 mediocre years, but in the end it's just a 3.5 that will be submitted to US News and that's what matters to law school admissions, not grade trends. 
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 29, 2010, 08:42:05 AM
This could continue forever so I'll stop.  ;)
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Morten Lund on July 29, 2010, 09:11:10 AM
While I think Jamie Stringer may be rather dream-crushingly blunt, I have to mostly agree with her statements.  The first admission gate is the GPA/LSAT matrix, and to the best of my knowledge it is applied pretty mechanically without any regard to undergraduate institution.  Only applicants in the good part of the matrix get looked at by a person.  A 3.5 GPA will be at or below the outright cutoffs for many of the top schools, regardless of LSAT, and that makes everything else irrelevant. 

That said, my understanding is that the top schools have a gray area, where applicants with some characteristics (such as borderline GPA and high LSAT) get a subjective review, even if their stats otherwise would not qulify. 

If OP makes it to the subjective review stage, then other things come into play, including the higher second-attempt GPA.  As I indicated in my earlier post, I believe Yale (and some of the other top schools) might give OP a second look, but emphasis on MIGHT.  And even then, admission is (IMO) unlikely.  I am just more optimistic than Jamie, and encourage people to apply - just in case.

Does undergraduate institution matter?  Yes and no.  The GPA is the GPA.  Once in the subjective review, schools might conceivably give preference to applicants from the very best schools over equivalent applicants from the very worst schools, but it would have to be an extreme situtation - and those are by definition rare.  I expect that undergraduate school comes in to play more often as a diversity play - law schools might give preference to applicants from underrepresented geographic areas or underrepresented schools.  And, of course, the anti-diversity - law schools might give preference to applicants from their own universities.

Short version:  OP is unlikely to get in to YHS (the correct order), but just might, and should certainly try.  Same for other top schools, although admission becomes decreasingly unlikely, of course.

Also - I am amused/befuddled by the acronym lingo.  Can somebody translate for me?  I got YHS figured out, but CCN?  MVP?  CLS?  URM?
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: Jamie Stringer on July 29, 2010, 09:25:12 AM
CCN: Columbia, Chicago, NYU
CLS: Columbia Law School
MVP: Michigan, Virginia, Penn
URM: Under-represented minority


The first thing that is wrong is that you picked stats for the toughest admissions season in the last several decades.  The second thing that is wrong is that you are severely discounting OP's three stellar years and one bad year.  The third ting that is wrong is that you and others are severly discounting the strength of applicant's college and your distorted concept that only HYP get a boost.  OP does have a legit but not good shot at HYS if OP goes to a respectable school.  Even taking the HYS discussion off the table you are still undeniably wrong about the chances of the hypothetical student getting into CCN.  In no place have I gone off table since the original post was also about chances at a top 10 where you replied OP should be targeting MVP rather than schools ranked above....WRONG
I won't count on any 0L, current student, or lawyer to concede their point so I suppose this exercise is pointless.

You do understand the difference between a target and a reach, don't you? I didn't say that the OP shouldn't apply to schools ranked above MVP, I simply said that MVP was the target range. By all means, the OP should apply to higher ranked schools. If I was the OP, I'd personally only apply to CCN as my reaches, MVP as my targets, and the rest of the T-14 as my safety range.

Your posts are white noise. Since you've made it clear that you're guessing and haven't actually been through the process, then trying to talk sense to you is like beating one's head into a brick wall. I'd prefer to do other things.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: marcus-aurelius on July 29, 2010, 10:26:32 AM
This thread went to hell :)

that being said, I went to Rutgers University in New Brunswick.  Not Ivy League, but not some random school.  As for softs, I am a CASA, work at a law firm, started a club at school, organize and run fundraisers, and just to show I am different, I skydive.

That being said, I was planning on peppering basically all the top T-14 schools.  I don't mind others opinion, no matter how blunt.  Actually, I would prefer to not get into a higher  ranked school in the T-14.  So when I finish at the top of a lower ranked school in the T-14, I'll know the others made a mistakes.  Motivation always helps.

One lesson I learned that I imparted on others is everything you do matters.  One bad year when I was not in the mind frame to go to school because "I knew everything" is coming back to bite me in the rear.  Where i go is important for my ego, yes.  More importantly, I want to go to a place where I will have job choices after.  I believe the T-14 will do that for me no matter where I land
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: marcus-aurelius on July 29, 2010, 10:32:03 AM
One last thing, would a higher LSAT score matter?  I believe I can improve.  My practice last 5 practice tests (including the Dec 09) were 176-177.  The night before the LSAT, I had a family member die. I thought I took it okay.  Although on the first section of the test had over half the questions I got wrong.  after that i settled in and did well.  So retaking and improving is a possibility.  I didn't think that an increase would help much with admissions, only $$.  Am I wrong?
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 29, 2010, 11:30:19 AM
MVP are safeties for the OP and you are seriously underestimating how easy it is to get into MVP with OP's numbers and three years of almost 4.0.  CCN are the targets.  If OP continues to post after his admissions cycle you will see I'm right as long as OP does not make any mistakes in the app.  I don't think HYS are good chances now that we know the college but H might bite.. tho it is unlikely.  I also think this past season was impossible to predict and is not a good indicator of the future but I am speaking with a seminormal economy in mind.  This could go back and forth all day but my last 2 c.


CCN: Columbia, Chicago, NYU
CLS: Columbia Law School
MVP: Michigan, Virginia, Penn
URM: Under-represented minority


The first thing that is wrong is that you picked stats for the toughest admissions season in the last several decades.  The second thing that is wrong is that you are severely discounting OP's three stellar years and one bad year.  The third ting that is wrong is that you and others are severly discounting the strength of applicant's college and your distorted concept that only HYP get a boost.  OP does have a legit but not good shot at HYS if OP goes to a respectable school.  Even taking the HYS discussion off the table you are still undeniably wrong about the chances of the hypothetical student getting into CCN.  In no place have I gone off table since the original post was also about chances at a top 10 where you replied OP should be targeting MVP rather than schools ranked above....WRONG
I won't count on any 0L, current student, or lawyer to concede their point so I suppose this exercise is pointless.

You do understand the difference between a target and a reach, don't you? I didn't say that the OP shouldn't apply to schools ranked above MVP, I simply said that MVP was the target range. By all means, the OP should apply to higher ranked schools. If I was the OP, I'd personally only apply to CCN as my reaches, MVP as my targets, and the rest of the T-14 as my safety range.

Your posts are white noise. Since you've made it clear that you're guessing and haven't actually been through the process, then trying to talk sense to you is like beating one's head into a brick wall. I'd prefer to do other things.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 29, 2010, 11:52:48 AM
Jamie, let's make up and be friends  :-*   Do you really want me to die in a car fire?  :'(
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: marcus-aurelius on July 29, 2010, 02:18:37 PM
Funny how one semester can kill you.  I failed every class one semester because I was all about making money at 19 years old.  I was on a scholarship so never thought about withdrawing.  It was'nt my money I was losing.  Nearly a decade later and it is coming back to haunt me. 
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: llsatt1 on July 29, 2010, 03:20:16 PM
Funny how one semester can kill you.  I failed every class one semester because I was all about making money at 19 years old.  I was on a scholarship so never thought about withdrawing.  It was'nt my money I was losing.  Nearly a decade later and it is coming back to haunt me.

Everyone makes mistakes.  Your 3.98 since returning to school is spectacular and schools will take that into consideration.  Admissions committees are made up of people who will read your story in detail.  You should create a lawschoolnumbers page, too.
Title: Re: 173 LSAT, question with my GPA
Post by: the white rabbit on July 30, 2010, 03:43:51 AM
That being said, I was planning on peppering basically all the top T-14 schools. 

I think this is the right way to go.  Maybe it's best to leave it at that.