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Title: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on June 30, 2010, 11:26:52 AM
I plan to start studying under Novus Law School in August.  Is there any new news about this school as far as quality of education is concerned?  I am unable to attend an ABA school because I have reached the limit for federal student loans.  I know that Novus is unaccredited.  Has anyone put Novus Law School on his/her resume?  How do you like the mentors?  Are you reading actual court opinions or are they summaries. 
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 01, 2010, 04:35:16 PM
Will you guys EVER tire of self advertising for that illegal scam school that isnt licensed or accredited by anyone, anywhere and can't sit the bar with and will actually get your arrested in a lot of states(like texas) if you put on your resume?

I plan to start studying under Novus Law School in August.  Is there any new news about this school as far as quality of education is concerned?  I am unable to attend an ABA school because I have reached the limit for federal student loans.  I know that Novus is unaccredited.  Has anyone put Novus Law School on his/her resume?  How do you like the mentors?  Are you reading actual court opinions or are they summaries.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: Cicero on July 01, 2010, 04:52:10 PM
It is really cheap and you can apparently start the JD program without even having an AA. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by not being able to attend an ABA program because you've reached the max amount of loans. Are you able to attend this one because they have private financing or because it is so cheap? Maybe you could attend a part time program at an ABA approved LS and work. There are some fairly inexpensive PT programs. I'm thinking NCCU right off in terms of cheap & ABA approved PT, but I'm sure there are others. You may be able to find one that is relatively inexpensive and ranked. Do you want to be a practicing attorney after you graduate or is this a way to put off paying back loans until you can find employment?
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 01, 2010, 07:50:43 PM
the company posts here everynow and then(always with an account with 1 or 2 posts) and we are all supposed to pretend that it isnt spam.
They are trying to appeal to the idiots out there who wasted $100K or more on an undergrad degree(about as useful as a piece of toiletpaper) by saying how cheap they are in the hopes that you will find the money(parents, kill your spouse for the insurance, whatever) and give it to them.
They dont care if you have undergrad since they are AN ILLEGAL SCAM! They claim you can do a legal apprenticeship, but you can do that even without their help. Its that simple.

It is really cheap and you can apparently start the JD program without even having an AA. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by not being able to attend an ABA program because you've reached the max amount of loans. Are you able to attend this one because they have private financing or because it is so cheap? Maybe you could attend a part time program at an ABA approved LS and work. There are some fairly inexpensive PT programs. I'm thinking NCCU right off in terms of cheap & ABA approved PT, but I'm sure there are others. You may be able to find one that is relatively inexpensive and ranked. Do you want to be a practicing attorney after you graduate or is this a way to put off paying back loans until you can find employment?
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: Cicero on July 01, 2010, 08:46:41 PM
Oh. I haven't been around here long enough to catch that. Thank you.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: bigs5068 on July 01, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
Which is why the legal professions has the  ABA to not let blatant scams happen.

They try to stop U.S. News, but people will buy into it I think U.S. News should rank NOVUS #1 I mean why not.  They might have 100% placement there doesn't have to be legal McDonalds is placement.  You probably don't have to take the LSAT to even get in so technically none of their students missed an LSAT question so since 180 is what you get when you don't miss a question that is what NOVUS LSAT rate is. Judge & Peer Assessment will NOVUS could pay for a judge to be on their board and they would a peer. Bar Passage Rate only makes up 2% of the ranking so NOVUS can overlook that little detail that test worth 2% consideration when choosing a law school. I can't believe the ABA would have the nerve to discredit such a genius formula.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on July 02, 2010, 12:34:08 PM
I have more than 180,000 in federal student loans because I earned 3 degrees from different schools.  I can only get financed through private loans with a co-signer.  Additionally, I was in law school for a year during 1987-1988.  As a result, law schools in Florida won't allow me to even apply.  I looked for cheaper ABA accredited law schools.  None are as cheap as Novus.  I also studied for a year with California Southern School of Law.  I did not pass the FYLSX.  I did not have enough money to return to California to take the test again.  I don't understand it being illegal to list Novus on a resume.  Please go into further detail.  I am interested in being a practicing attorney for ego purposes.  I am currently enrolled in an online paralegal program.  The latter will meet my financial needs just as much as being an attorney would.  Has anyone ever seen the material that students learn from at Novus?
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 03, 2010, 09:07:56 PM
If its been that long then the ABA lets you restart the clock.
Its illegal to use unlicensed degrees since states dont want to encourage fraud.
If you can't afford to go to CA for the FYBX then how to take the bar? More to the point, how to do a 4year internship? Novus wont let you sit the bar, you have to find your own lawyer to take you under their wing(in CA) which Novus wont help with and you can do without attending them first if you wanted to. PLUS during that period you STILL have to take the FYBX as a legal apprentice.

Knowing all of this, how is Novus able to help you?

I have more than 180,000 in federal student loans because I earned 3 degrees from different schools.  I can only get financed through private loans with a co-signer.  Additionally, I was in law school for a year during 1987-1988.  As a result, law schools in Florida won't allow me to even apply.  I looked for cheaper ABA accredited law schools.  None are as cheap as Novus.  I also studied for a year with California Southern School of Law.  I did not pass the FYLSX.  I did not have enough money to return to California to take the test again.  I don't understand it being illegal to list Novus on a resume.  Please go into further detail.  I am interested in being a practicing attorney for ego purposes.  I am currently enrolled in an online paralegal program.  The latter will meet my financial needs just as much as being an attorney would.  Has anyone ever seen the material that students learn from at Novus?
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on July 05, 2010, 11:30:45 AM
You all have helped me to decide against signing up with Novus.  I will just stay with the online paralegal program and sit for the NALA certification exam, here in Tampa, in 2011.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 05, 2010, 12:25:55 PM
Your welcome. Best of luck with your paralegal career. Mabey in time an employer will sponsor you for lawschool.

You all have helped me to decide against signing up with Novus.  I will just stay with the online paralegal program and sit for the NALA certification exam, here in Tampa, in 2011.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on July 06, 2010, 12:24:42 AM
10-4.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: ShangChi on July 23, 2010, 09:22:43 PM
To all of you Brainiac's. NOVUS is registered as an authorized school in The Marshall Islands. Think back to either your high school days or college undergrad geography class, it is a real place. It isn't illegal to post on a resume that you attended a certain school and it was ruled unconstitutional several years ago that even if the school isn't authorized or recognized you can still post on the resume that you have a degree from the school in question.  Why not consider Taft law school from California, if you take the telecommunications Law JD program you can direct federal student loans. And it's recognized.
You can get into Thomas Cooley without a BA/BS degree and with only 60 credits, but your GPA and LSAT has to be higher because of the admissions index.  I think Puerto Rico is easy to get into as well. ANd yes all of you college grads, PR is a Commonwealth of the USA.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: sandy01 on October 13, 2010, 12:56:54 PM
Why do most of the posts I have visited accuse Novus University of being a diploma mill and not a degree. If one does the work wouldn't that be a degree? From what I have read from past Novus students have worked hard completeing assignments and research. The school has a law library as well. By reading there courses and guide lines they appear to be the same as a ABA accredited school. Can a representative from Novus clarfiy my questions.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: bigs5068 on October 13, 2010, 02:21:52 PM
I think there is something to be said about a school being ABA accredited. A real crucial thing is that you may be barred from taking the bar in certain states if you attend Novus or any other Non-ABA school. Even if you were a 100x better attorney and could get a perfect score on the bar you would not be able to practice law in a lot of states.  There are many competent and excellent lawyers from non-aba schools and I have seen them in action. California is one of the states that does not require you to graduate from an ABA school and there many lawyers who attended CBA or non-ABA schools. Who are excellent and remember the individual not the school makes up about 80-90% of a future lawyers success.

However, you did need to know that some states will simply not let you be a lawyer if you go to Novus, because you will not be able to take the bar. So check with every state bar and see what they say about the school and if it will allow you to take the bar in that state. Each state is different and if a school is not ABA approved you run the risk of wasting 3 years of your life and a ton of money. Well good luck to you.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on October 13, 2010, 11:56:32 PM
The previous reply said that "even if you get a perfect score on the bar, you still would not be able to practice law in some states." 

If you get a perfect score on the bar exam, wouldn't you be able to practice law in the state whose bar exam you got the perfect score on?
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on October 14, 2010, 12:12:51 AM
I think that most of us who post on this discussion forum agree that attending a brick and mortar ABA approved law school is the most preferred method.   However, one of the requirements for a law school to be ABA accredited is that the law school seeking ABA approval much charge an annual tuition amount in excess of a certain amount (in thousands of dollars).  If there was a brick and mortar law school out there, in every state, that was ABA approved and charged 100 to 250 a month on a debit or credit card, for 12 months for all three or four years, there would be no need for distance education or online law schools.  My only concern while attending such a school would be getting through 600 pages of reading a day; not whether my degree, upon graduation, would be worthless.  And, I wouldn't be a member of the distance education section frantically searching for an alternative way to get a law school education.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: bigs5068 on October 14, 2010, 07:46:08 AM
The costs are outrageous agreed. My point about the perfect score is true though. A lot of states would not let you sit for it so you would never have the opportunity to get a perfect score. Even if you somehow snuck in and got a perfect score the ABA requirement is still there. Honestly, I was reading through 600 pages and spending a lot of time and money I would want to know if I can sit for the bar. It is all pretty much useless unless you can do that. Some states do not require you to go to an ABA school and some do. All I am saying is check the eligibility requirements for the state you want to live in before you enroll in a non-aba school.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on October 14, 2010, 08:38:51 PM
Did you know that in Wisconsin, all they have to do is graduate from law school in that state and the graduates are automatically admitted to the bar?  They don't have to take a bar exam.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: bigs5068 on October 14, 2010, 10:39:53 PM
Yes, but you have to graduate from either Wisconsin or Marquette. There is a bar exam if you did not go one of the Wisconsin ABA schools I mentioned. It is possible that a degree from Novus will not let you sit for the Wisconsin bar.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on October 16, 2010, 05:14:55 AM
I knew that.   I had indicated that you have to graduate from one of the law schools that are in Wisconsin.  I am not studying at Novus.  While studying to be a paralegal, I am also studying with a different online law school that is much cheaper than Novus.  This online law school is similar to that University of Honolulu (I think that is the name) School of Law that is registered with the California Board of Examiners.  The online law school that I am studying under requires a final project.  My final project will be to author a digest of court opinions in one area of law that will expand over several decades.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: gallagheria on October 18, 2010, 01:58:57 PM
Be careful, because some states require that you have a bachelor's degree BEFORE you begin law school. So if you are enrolled in a law school while finishing an undergrad, which some states allow, you will be limited in other states--even if they take other grads from your non-ABA school. Some ABA schools even allow students to enroll before they have an undergrad, but they too warn you that this will disqualify you from many state bars, even though you are an ABA grad.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on October 18, 2010, 08:12:42 PM
I have a BA from Hunter College of CUNY, a BS from DeVry University, and an MSW from New York University School of Social Work.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: truthseeker on November 03, 2011, 09:17:23 AM
Novus University School of Law is nothing but a diploma mill run by the well known Natalie (Handy) Klucz.  This is her in the video.

http://www.novus.edu/index.html

Here is a website listing some of her past dishonest activities.  She has quite a past of deception.

http://www.chugachconsumers.org/lib/LaSalleChronology.htm

This paragraph from the General Info section of her website (http://www.novusucatalog.com/generalinfo/terms_printer.htm) states:

DEGREE GRANTING EDUCATION CORPORATION
NOVUS UNIVERSITY IS INCORPORATED UNDER THE LAWS OF THE MARSHALL ISLANDS. NOVUS UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE POSTSECONDARY DEGREE GRANTING EDUCATIONAL CORPORATION AND ALL DEGREES ARE GRANTED BY NOVUS UNIVERSITY OF THE MARSHALL ISLANDS ,UNDER ITS  CORPORATE CHARTER AND THE AUTHORITY OF ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS. NOVUS UNIVERSITY/NOVUS LAW SCHOOL OFFERS INSTRUCTION ONLINE ONLY AND WEB-BASED AND NOT IN ANY COUNTRY, STATE OR POLITICAL ENTITY. NOVUS UNIVERSITY/NOVUS LAW SCHOOL IS NOT ACCREDITED BY THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION.

If the school was legitimate,  why the need to operate from the Marshall Islands?

She currently runs the "university" from a Mail & More in Palmdale, CA.

The address of the “campus” is listed in the Notices section of her website states:

NOTICES
Except as noted should be given to General Counsel, NOVUS UNIVERSITY/NOVUS LAW SCHOOL: 3053 Rancho Vista Blvd. Suite H #187 Palmdale CA 93551

Do a Yahoo search of Mail & More locations in Palmdale, CA..  Notice the same address of 3053 Rancho Vista Blvd. Suite H.

So her university “campus” is box #187.

Don't waste your money on this scam as it only goes to her red Mercedes and fancy vacations.  Use your money towards a legitimate Law School, not a useless piece of paper.

Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on November 05, 2011, 05:47:17 AM
Thank you for your input.  I have decided that since I will not have enough money to attend a real law school, I am better off focusing on the certified legal assistant exam and on honing my legal research skills by writing and submitting more articles on legal issues to bepress and to getcited.org.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 05, 2011, 05:34:44 PM
Thank you for your input.  I have decided that since I will not have enough money to attend a real law school, I am better off focusing on the certified legal assistant exam and on honing my legal research skills by writing and submitting more articles on legal issues to bepress and to getcited.org.

I thought you posted before that you were already in an online college(other than novus) ?
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on November 05, 2011, 09:22:28 PM
I am enrolled in Mid Atlantic.  But, CLA after my last name will get me hired.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 06, 2011, 04:05:43 PM
ok. I just don't see how being a paralegal will help you find work as a lawyer.

Is the paralegal program ABA approved, is that what you are aiming for? If not, I wouldn't do it. Adding a lower ranking non aba set of letters to a resume with a JD already on it wouldn't seem to help any unless it was an ABA approved program.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on November 07, 2011, 03:04:47 PM
I am choosing to  be a paralegal first.  I can't use Mid Atlantic's JD in Florida.  It will be useful in California after I establish a reputation for superior legal knowledge here.  The ABA approves of certified legal assistants.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 09, 2011, 05:38:25 PM
ok, you do understand that SOME of the paralegal schools are actually ABA ACCREDITED  though right?
I know that the ABA reconises the right to exists of CLA's in general, but it's not the same thing. It's important to understand the difference.

As for the JD, you plan to fly to CA to take the minibar still? Otherwise the degree is useless.

I am choosing to  be a paralegal first.  I can't use Mid Atlantic's JD in Florida.  It will be useful in California after I establish a reputation for superior legal knowledge here.  The ABA approves of certified legal assistants.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on November 10, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
I already have a certificate in paralegal studies. It is from www.blackstone.edu (http://www.blackstone.edu).  That online school is DETC accredited.   That certificate has made me eligible to sit for the National Association of Legal Assistants' Certified Legal Assistant exam.  Once I pass the CLA exam, I will be eligible to apply for and become a Florida Registered Paralegal.   

I have already sat for the First Year Law Students' Exam.  I failed the test by 5 points.  I don't have enough money to fly to California again right now.  I don't have enough money to attend a real law school because I have a high student loan balance from the other three degrees I have.  The government won't lend me anymore money even though I am making small payments.  My major obstacle has been and continues to be enough money for law school; online or otherwise. 

All I really care about, though, is legal research and writing.  The only reason why I would have wanted to be an attorney was so that I could walk down the street and think:  "I'm an ATTORNEY, guys!"  I have a masters degree in social work.  If I really wanted to help people, I would have stayed in that profession.  Simply wanting to feel like you are better than anyone else is not a good reason to want to be an attorney.  So, I am going to swallow my pride, and support other people who really care about helping other people.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 12, 2011, 11:23:09 AM
Dang. That sucks about the test. I think you posted that before but were planning on retaking it at that time. I take it you are still planning on getting the "executive JD" to add to your resume since you have the first chunk of it done anyways? Some of those credits might transfer into a non JD paralegal program too. (worth asking about anyways)

      If you have a masters in social work, why not just get licensed as a social worker and work for the state? Is your degree for that DETC and not meet the license requirment for your state?

As for the DETC thing, that is awsome but NOT the same as being an ABA approved program. I don't think you understand that. Just because it's legal dosn't mean its what an employer wants to see. There are online ABA approved paralegal programs, you just have to find them.

I already have a certificate in paralegal studies. It is from www.blackstone.edu (http://www.blackstone.edu).  That online school is DETC accredited.   That certificate has made me eligible to sit for the National Association of Legal Assistants' Certified Legal Assistant exam.  Once I pass the CLA exam, I will be eligible to apply for and become a Florida Registered Paralegal.   

I have already sat for the First Year Law Students' Exam.  I failed the test by 5 points.  I don't have enough money to fly to California again right now.  I don't have enough money to attend a real law school because I have a high student loan balance from the other three degrees I have.  The government won't lend me anymore money even though I am making small payments.  My major obstacle has been and continues to be enough money for law school; online or otherwise. 

All I really care about, though, is legal research and writing.  The only reason why I would have wanted to be an attorney was so that I could walk down the street and think:  "I'm an ATTORNEY, guys!"  I have a masters degree in social work.  If I really wanted to help people, I would have stayed in that profession.  Simply wanting to feel like you are better than anyone else is not a good reason to want to be an attorney.  So, I am going to swallow my pride, and support other people who really care about helping other people.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on November 12, 2011, 11:57:02 AM
All my other degrees are from nationally recognized schools.  Paralegals don't need the CLA credential.  It's voluntary.  The CLA credential is almost mandatory for someone like me since Blackstone is only DETC accredited.  I went to social work school because I wanted to be an abortion counselor.  I never found a job doing that.   I do not want to know about kids having the misfortune of being born to sadistic parents.  Therefore, child protective services is out.  I also have no interest working in a nursing home.  I discovered that the legal field will give me the right mix of people contact and administrative work that I am looking for.

I chose blackstone because it was 59.00 down and 59.00 a month.  It was low cost and made me eligible to sit for the exam.  The other paralegal programs went into thousands of dollars.   
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 12, 2011, 12:17:42 PM
Is National Accrediting enough in your state to be licensed as a social worker or does that have to be a regionally accredited degree? (Regional accrediting obviously being a step above national).

If the paralegal training you are doing is voluntary(albeit still not ABA approved) why do you think it will increase your odds of employment?

Do you currently have a paralegal job? If not, why do you think additional non-required, NON-ABA training will help any?
What is your current field of employment?
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on November 12, 2011, 01:10:12 PM
The CLA credential is ABA approved.  I was an  Air Force captain during the 80's.  Now, I am a security officer.  I am not interested in social work right now.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 12, 2011, 10:34:29 PM
What state will allow you to sit for their bar exam with a J.D from this online law school?
What online LLM program will allow you to attend with a J.D. from this program?

I think you would be better off buying a degree from one of those online degree mills for a hundred bucks. They come an official seal and transcripts and they claim that they are genuine degrees and they even offer transcript verification by a live person from the college.
Or better yet, you can print out a J.D. degree from your own computer that says you graduated from one of those closed online law schools. Since they are closed, nobody would know the difference. You can put your own phone number down for the transcript verification, then whey they call, you can pretend you are the admissions office and tell them that the fake law degree is official and that the student(yourself) is highly recommended and you had a 4.0 GPA, and then you can take any state bar exam that your little heart desires.  ;)
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: legalpractitioner on November 13, 2011, 09:07:42 AM
This is clearly misleading:

http://novus.edu/BARADMISSIONS.htm

Where is the ABA or the State Bars? They ought to get an an injunction against Novus instead of trying to make life miserable for non ABA graduates who have graudated from a legitimate law program. Novus proves the ABA is more concerned with maintaining its monopoly rather than actually protecting the consumer from fake law schools.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 13, 2011, 01:08:12 PM
This is clearly misleading:

http://novus.edu/BARADMISSIONS.htm

Where is the ABA or the State Bars? They ought to get an an injunction against Novus instead of trying to make life miserable for non ABA graduates who have graudated from a legitimate law program. Novus proves the ABA is more concerned with maintaining its monopoly rather than actually protecting the consumer from fake law schools.

Your post makes no sense. There is no such thing as a fake law school. Anybody can open an online law school or any school online or in state. Novus is a real law school. They just are not recognized by the ABA or any state.

The ABA has the monopoly on law school education. Several online law schools are currently in court battling for their right for ABA approval, however, the reason that ABA will not allow online law schools ABA approval is that the ABA has a secret oath as all school members have agreed to overcharge students for their legal education. If the ABA allowed online law schools approval, then every law school within the United States would close their doors because they would not have any students, as all law students would attend online for a fraction of the price. Currently, it cost over $150,000.00 to attend a brick and mortor law school. In contrast, an online law student can get a J.D for under $6,000.00. Some online law schools allow the student to make paymens of only $200.00 a month.

A person can get a J.D from the UK and several other Countries for $2,000.00.
America is the ONLY place on the planet that charges $150,000.00 to attend law school. The ABA should be closed down and each stated should be able to govern themselves.

Somebody should SUE the ABA the same as they sued the KKK, and forced them to close.
If every attorney stopped supporting the ABA, then they would be forced to close down.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: legalpractitioner on November 13, 2011, 03:42:33 PM
Novus is not recognized by any state. Novus is not recognized by the Law Society of England and Wales. A Novus degree will not entitle one to practice law ever. And I should know because I am a graduate of Taft and licensed in the US and several Commonwealth jurisdictions.

I do not support the ABA but I do not go in for sovereign citizen nonsense .

By the way, they do not grant a JD in the UK - they grant a bachelors in law which is the equivalent of a JD even though the ABA claims a JD is the equivalent to a PhD which it is not.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 13, 2011, 04:06:55 PM
Novus is not recognized by any state. Novus is not recognized by the Law Society of England and Wales. A Novus degree will not entitle one to practice law ever. And I should know because I am a graduate of Taft and licensed in the US and several Commonwealth jurisdictions.

I do not support the ABA but I do not go in for sovereign citizen nonsense .

By the way, they do not grant a JD in the UK - they grant a bachelors in law which is the equivalent of a JD even though the ABA claims a JD is the equivalent to a PhD which it is not.

Jonlevy, was Taft a good school? I am still searching for an online law school. I was thinking of attending Concorde, but there are too many students on this forum that dropped out because it was too much homework, so I changed my mind.  How was Taft for you? Thanks.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: legalpractitioner on November 13, 2011, 04:43:03 PM
If you can learn on your own Taft is good otherwise Concorde. Ultimately, neither one will work unless you can devote 30 hours a week minimum and are willing to study full time for the baby bar. The odds are 5-1 against that you will pass the baby bar and 15-1 against you will pass the California bar. Unless you already work in the legal field, these are bad bets. If you somehow pass the bar, you will need to teach yourself how to practice law because no one will hire you.  You will also need to move to California if you expect to gain any experience with live clients.

In fact, it is so hard that unless there is some geographic or medical reason, a bricks and morter school is almost always better.

Yes, one can get a California law license via online or correspondence study but you will find that the successful students have a knack for wrote memorization.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 13, 2011, 06:22:47 PM

In fact, it is so hard that unless there is some geographic or medical reason, a bricks and morter school is almost always better.

Yes, one can get a California law license via online or correspondence study but you will find that the successful students have a knack for wrote memorization.

I think brick and morter law school is easier. Although I have not attended one, I heard that everybody pretty much passes and they have open book tests and you do not even have to attend class for the lectures. You just have to show up for the open book tests. You can also take classes though the summer and get it over with in 2 years insted of the 4 years that online law school makes us do. However; I prefer online learning. No reason that I have to attend online law school instead of brick and morter other than I'm just too lazy to get out bed. I'm in bed right now on my laptop. It is 8pm here and I still haven't gotten out of bed. I'm just lazy. I can not see myself going to law school class every day at the Univeristy. I got my whole bachelors degree online. So naturally I want to attend online law school too. :-)

As far as memorization to pass the bar, I thought the bar was structured around essay questions? Doesn't that mean that we have to be able to put together proper sentences and have good grammar, and not multiple choice?
 
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 13, 2011, 06:24:45 PM
What is this "sovereign citizen" all about? If we never attend a law school, and we teach ourself law, then can we take any state bar if we declare sovereign citizenship?
I'm interested in learning more about the topic of "sovereign citizen".

Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: legalpractitioner on November 14, 2011, 08:06:16 AM
State bar? Sovereign citizen don't need no stinkin bar because they got their own courts and grand juries.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38668124/ns/us_news-life/t/sovereign-citizens-st-century-counter-culture/

They also get a first hand tour of jails and free experience with the criminal justice system.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 14, 2011, 01:07:23 PM
why don't you just go ABA? I don't understand that part.

The CLA credential is ABA approved.  I was an  Air Force captain during the 80's.  Now, I am a security officer.  I am not interested in social work right now.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 14, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Basicly the Sovereign Citizen BS is a bunch of pyscho's looking to have a shoot out and die, oh and take their families with them. Why? To avoid some taxes and other BS. Morons basicly. End of story.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 14, 2011, 11:46:45 PM
I have been reading more about sovereign citizens. I read a few of the constitutional laws, UCC codes and other statutes they are referring to, and it appears that they inded do have a valid argument and the laws they are referring to are real. However, if the Judges do not want to honor their requests and they still issue traffic tickets, and they still have to pay their debt, and pay taxes, then they should just forget about it and pay the IRS, traffic tickets and fines.

There are several highly educated people such as Attorneys who are "sovereign citizens', that are in prison right now for not paying their taxes after they tried to argue that they are sovereign citizens and the constitution of the United States says they do not have to pay.

The Amish are allowed to live without social security cards and no help from the goverment. Amish have their own government inside a government. They do not have license plates and they have their own police station and Amiish court room, so then if they are allowed to denounce the government, then why can't another citizen do the same? If they allow the Amish, then they should allow all people.

Personally, I think it is weird to give up your social security card. If you give up your social security card, then you do not get your retirement money when you get too old to work. Therefore; they will have no income. Also, what will happen if these people get robbed or murdered by one of their own sovereign citizen people? If they are not citizens of the United States, then they can not go to court and they have to be released, so then a murder will be loose in America so do it all over again.

I also think it is weird and makes no sense that these people are cop killers. That is weird to kill a cop or a person just because they get stopped for a routine traffic stop.

My research shows that most of these sovereign citizens are poor indigent people and lost their homes to foreclosure after they lost their jobs. A lot of them live in their hippi vans. They were looking for a way to pay their debt, and then they found the sovereign citizen group. Sounds like another cult, especially since they brainwash people into killing cops and other government workers.

Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma city bomber, was a "sovereign citizen."



 
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 14, 2011, 11:53:18 PM
This is interesting about a highly educated man of the sovereign citizen movement. It appears this book "Federal Mafia" that was written by a sovereign citizen was on its way to becoming a best seller, when a Judge banned it from being sold and put the auther in prison for 13 years. He is still in Prison until 2016.

Since the Judge ordered the book not to be sold to people, the auther then said, "OK", and he is giving it away for free download on his website. Hahaha. After all, he is not selling the book; He is giving the book away for FREE download. Here is the website that you can download his free book titled "Federal Mafia".
http://www.paynoincometax.com/

Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: fortook on November 15, 2011, 06:01:42 AM
I'm not trying to be mean, really, but if you won't get out of bed what kind of lawyer do you think you'll make?  Even the self scheduling fields, like patent, require considerable amounts of work.  Yeah you can do it when you choose, but you still must get out of bed and do it.

Not trying to directly bash online schools here, btw.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 15, 2011, 07:50:14 AM
I'm not trying to be mean, really, but if you won't get out of bed what kind of lawyer do you think you'll make?  Even the self scheduling fields, like patent, require considerable amounts of work.  Yeah you can do it when you choose, but you still must get out of bed and do it.

Not trying to directly bash online schools here, btw.

Who said I was going to be a lawyer? Not everybody that attends law school wants to be a lawyer. Lots of people get a J.D. for the education and not to work as a lawyer. There are a lot of job opportunities for people that hold a J.D. that never took a state bar. A J.D. is an advanced degree. Some people choose to get a masters degree after their bachelors, and others go on to get a J.D.

For arguments sake, technology has advanced to the point that paperwork and legal documents can be filed via e-file, and not many cases make it to the court room, as they settle out of court via online conference. Modern technology allows todays attorney to research cases from their home computer instead of spending hours and weeks in the law library. Many attorneys are ghost writers and do piece work for other attorneys to help with their case loads, and these attorneys work from home as the attorney they are working for might live out of town. Todays attorney can run a home office and save a ton of money on space rent. It is very common.  They rent office space in an executive suite with a P.O. box and answering service for $100.00 a month, which allows them to use the conference room to make them look fancy. The conference room even gives free coffee and cookies for the customers. They probably will only have to the conference room once a month if even that, since they can do their consultations via telephone. Ahhh. The modern attorney.  ;)
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 15, 2011, 05:31:02 PM
So you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home?

You do know they are synonymous terms right?  ??? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)

I'm not trying to be mean, really, but if you won't get out of bed what kind of lawyer do you think you'll make?  Even the self scheduling fields, like patent, require considerable amounts of work.  Yeah you can do it when you choose, but you still must get out of bed and do it.

Not trying to directly bash online schools here, btw.

Who said I was going to be a lawyer? Not everybody that attends law school wants to be a lawyer. Lots of people get a J.D. for the education and not to work as a lawyer. There are a lot of job opportunities for people that hold a J.D. that never took a state bar. A J.D. is an advanced degree. Some people choose to get a masters degree after their bachelors, and others go on to get a J.D.

For arguments sake, technology has advanced to the point that paperwork and legal documents can be filed via e-file, and not many cases make it to the court room, as they settle out of court via online conference. Modern technology allows todays attorney to research cases from their home computer instead of spending hours and weeks in the law library. Many attorneys are ghost writers and do piece work for other attorneys to help with their case loads, and these attorneys work from home as the attorney they are working for might live out of town. Todays attorney can run a home office and save a ton of money on space rent. It is very common.  They rent office space in an executive suite with a P.O. box and answering service for $100.00 a month, which allows them to use the conference room to make them look fancy. The conference room even gives free coffee and cookies for the customers. They probably will only have to the conference room once a month if even that, since they can do their consultations via telephone. Ahhh. The modern attorney.  ;)
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 15, 2011, 05:35:50 PM
People like to claim that they can interpret the law the law better than the supreme court. That may very well be. But untill they are appointed to the bench, they are criminals and too dumb to get over themselves long enough to figure it out.

Interesting point about the Amish. People who are against Sharia law, tend to be ok with Amish self governing policies as well as for Native Americans(albeit Am.Ind. reservations are a unique situation)

It would be interesting to see a politician spin how they are ok with one, against the other, and how race and/or religion has nothing to do with it.  ::)   Let's just hope al quada dosn't learn how to churn butter!  :o

I have been reading more about sovereign citizens. I read a few of the constitutional laws, UCC codes and other statutes they are referring to, and it appears that they inded do have a valid argument and the laws they are referring to are real. However, if the Judges do not want to honor their requests and they still issue traffic tickets, and they still have to pay their debt, and pay taxes, then they should just forget about it and pay the IRS, traffic tickets and fines.

There are several highly educated people such as Attorneys who are "sovereign citizens', that are in prison right now for not paying their taxes after they tried to argue that they are sovereign citizens and the constitution of the United States says they do not have to pay.

The Amish are allowed to live without social security cards and no help from the goverment. Amish have their own government inside a government. They do not have license plates and they have their own police station and Amiish court room, so then if they are allowed to denounce the government, then why can't another citizen do the same? If they allow the Amish, then they should allow all people.

Personally, I think it is weird to give up your social security card. If you give up your social security card, then you do not get your retirement money when you get too old to work. Therefore; they will have no income. Also, what will happen if these people get robbed or murdered by one of their own sovereign citizen people? If they are not citizens of the United States, then they can not go to court and they have to be released, so then a murder will be loose in America so do it all over again.

I also think it is weird and makes no sense that these people are cop killers. That is weird to kill a cop or a person just because they get stopped for a routine traffic stop.

My research shows that most of these sovereign citizens are poor indigent people and lost their homes to foreclosure after they lost their jobs. A lot of them live in their hippi vans. They were looking for a way to pay their debt, and then they found the sovereign citizen group. Sounds like another cult, especially since they brainwash people into killing cops and other government workers.

Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma city bomber, was a "sovereign citizen."
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 15, 2011, 10:15:08 PM
So you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home?

You do know they are synonymous terms right?  ??? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)


I can tell you didn't read the whole post. I said, "for arguements sake". You must not be American. You also misunderstood another post on here.
Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: fortook on November 16, 2011, 08:15:22 AM
Fair enough.  You want to be a legal writer.  I don't really agree with you on the virtual law thing, but maybe things are different in Cali.  Here on the East Coast we still have to go to court and interact with people.  A JD isn't like any other advanced degree (I have a masters I got for poops and giggles).  Its a professional degree that requires effort and money to get.  Maybe the Kennedys have the resources to get JDs for poops and giggles, but he rest of don't- too much time and effort. 

You're consistently on the defensive here. Keep up the arguments. :)   
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 16, 2011, 10:33:46 AM
poops and giggles.  :o ???
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: legalpractitioner on November 16, 2011, 05:21:09 PM
Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.

Well no non member of the Supreme Court bar can "take a case there" unless they are in pro se.

But listen cal, I have a solution for you so you do not have to waste your time here, you can be a Common Law McKenzie friend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKenzie_friend

http://www.mckenziefriend.biz/

http://www.mckenzie-friend.co.uk/mckenziefriendpage.html

Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 17, 2011, 12:30:20 AM
McKenzie friend sounds like a Paralegal to me.
A McKenzie friend is the American version of a Paralegal?

No thanks. I would rather be an attorney and sue people that do others harm. I would rather make them *&^% their pants after they find out they were sued after I serve them with a lawsuit summons.

Paralegals get paid by the hour. Attorney's get paid a percentage of the winnings. If an attorney gets a class action lawsuit going, then he can have a multi million dollar payday. The paralegal earns $12.00 an hour regardless of the outcome of the case.

I'm sure you already knew that, however, you felt like talking, therefore, so do I.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 17, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
You really think that was a good legal argument don't you? Most of it wasn't even on topic kid.

Oh, and if you are offended by a preference to lawstudents and lawyers over random self interpretation of the law based google searches...... maybe you shouldn't have come to a lawschool discussion forum dude.

So you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home?

You do know they are synonymous terms right?  ??? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)


I can tell you didn't read the whole post. I said, "for arguements sake". You must not be American. You also misunderstood another post on here.
Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 17, 2011, 04:26:13 PM
You really think that was a good legal argument don't you? Most of it wasn't even on topic kid.

Oh, and if you are offended by a preference to lawstudents and lawyers over random self interpretation of the law based google searches...... maybe you shouldn't have come to a lawschool discussion forum dude.

So you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home?

You do know they are synonymous terms right?  ??? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)


I can tell you didn't read the whole post. I said, "for arguements sake". You must not be American. You also misunderstood another post on here.
Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.

Who are you talking to? I'm old enough to be your mother, and possibly your grandmother. Do not call me "dude" and a "kid". In fact. Get lost you uneducated weirdo freak, and stop stalking me and stop following me all over this forum and posting negative comments to every one of my posts. Go stalk somebody else and leave me alone.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 18, 2011, 05:20:06 PM
Yes, the lawstudent on the lawschool discussion forum, who is in lawschool.

So much more "uneducated" than the person who can't even pass an online school and wants to pretend to be smarter than the entire legal system and makes arguments such as "you must not be an american"

yeah. Way to go there GrandMa.

You really think that was a good legal argument don't you? Most of it wasn't even on topic kid.

Oh, and if you are offended by a preference to lawstudents and lawyers over random self interpretation of the law based google searches...... maybe you shouldn't have come to a lawschool discussion forum dude.

So you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home?

You do know they are synonymous terms right?  ??? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)


I can tell you didn't read the whole post. I said, "for arguements sake". You must not be American. You also misunderstood another post on here.
Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.

Who are you talking to? I'm old enough to be your mother, and possibly your grandmother. Do not call me "dude" and a "kid". In fact. Get lost you uneducated weirdo freak, and stop stalking me and stop following me all over this forum and posting negative comments to every one of my posts. Go stalk somebody else and leave me alone.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 18, 2011, 10:42:44 PM

yeah. Way to go there GrandMa.


You disrespect your elders. You are a bad person. Yes, I am a grandma, and my grandchildren would never disrespect their elders as you did on this forum.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 19, 2011, 11:44:23 AM
http://www.healthcorner.org/conditions-illnesses/alzheimers/senile-dementia/how-to-spot-senile-dementia/?tsrc=ms-dem&ppceng=msn&camp=ms-dem&kw=early%20dementia&id=3097

Anyone who works as a security guard in their golden years shouldn't be handing out advise.


yeah. Way to go there GrandMa.


You disrespect your elders. You are a bad person. Yes, I am a grandma, and my grandchildren would never disrespect their elders as you did on this forum.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: FalconJimmy on November 19, 2011, 12:09:59 PM

yeah. Way to go there GrandMa.


You disrespect your elders. You are a bad person. Yes, I am a grandma, and my grandchildren would never disrespect their elders as you did on this forum.

Disrespect?  Pot, this is kettle.  Come in, Kettle.  Hope you realize how black you are.  Over.

You are, without a doubt, the most ignorant and rude person on this board.  On this board, that's saying a lot.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 19, 2011, 12:15:35 PM

yeah. Way to go there GrandMa.


You disrespect your elders. You are a bad person. Yes, I am a grandma, and my grandchildren would never disrespect their elders as you did on this forum.

Disrespect?  Pot, this is kettle.  Come in, Kettle.  Hope you realize how black you are.  Over.

You are, without a doubt, the most ignorant and rude person on this board.  On this board, that's saying a lot.

HEY!!!! I work hard for that title, don't just be giving it away to the first octogenarian to have a "senior moment" around here.......... 8)
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: fortook on November 19, 2011, 01:04:04 PM
Jimmy- jusatanothersucker = lawyerintraining = cooleylawstudent = :).  He is so incoherent and illogical its actually unusual. An example of the shining caliber of student at Cooley. 

Change your name again dude, I'll still be able to pick you out.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on November 19, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
I am  not in my golden years, idiot.  Senior citizen is a title given to those members of this forum who have posted over a certain number of statements.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: calvinexpress on November 20, 2011, 12:53:35 PM
I am  not in my golden years, idiot.  Senior citizen is a title given to those members of this forum who have posted over a certain number of statements.

passaroa, he is talking to me. I am a senior citizen and I am a grandma. Actually, he was not talking to me, but rather he was rudely mentally attacking me while making fun of senior citizens.

The average online law school student is over the age of 45, so "justanothersucker" is rude for coming on this part of the forum (distant learning) and making fun of and harassing seniors. It is also a crime and a felony in most states to harass senior citizens.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: passaroa25 on November 20, 2011, 03:10:48 PM
Okay.  I was not aware that you are a security guard, also.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: justanothersucker on November 20, 2011, 04:25:13 PM
1) Lookup your laws
2) provide a link of where it is a felony to be rude to your elders.
3) I can't control your crazy. Only you can.


I am  not in my golden years, idiot.  Senior citizen is a title given to those members of this forum who have posted over a certain number of statements.

passaroa, he is talking to me. I am a senior citizen and I am a grandma. Actually, he was not talking to me, but rather he was rudely mentally attacking me while making fun of senior citizens.

The average online law school student is over the age of 45, so "justanothersucker" is rude for coming on this part of the forum (distant learning) and making fun of and harassing seniors. It is also a crime and a felony in most states to harass senior citizens.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on September 07, 2012, 03:20:41 PM
I think brick and morter law school is easier. Although I have not attended one, I heard that everybody pretty much passes and they have open book tests and you do not even have to attend class for the lectures. You just have to show up for the open book tests. You can also take classes though the summer and get it over with in 2 years insted of the 4 years that online law school makes us do.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I've come across this same sentiment from other posters and had to comment. Is this a commonly held belief among DL students? Who is telling you guys this nonesense?

I can't speak for every brick and mortar grad, but that description is not even remotely close to what I experienced. Everybody at my school was a stressed out basket case (especially during 1L) when exams rolled around. I never took a single open book test during law school, and all of my exams, without exception, were demanding. My school also had a mandatory attendance policy, only three absences were permitted, and you could be marked absent for being unprepared. 

Further, everybody definitely did not pass. The academic attrition rate at my school was usually around 4-6%, but a larger percentage could fail a single class without being dismissed. Lastly, I have never heard of anyone taking extra classes and graduating in two years. Southwestern has the SCALE program which is two years long, but that's unique. I believe my school limited summer school to six credits for full-timers, nine for part-timers. 
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: cooley3L on September 07, 2012, 05:45:59 PM
I think brick and morter law school is easier. Although I have not attended one, I heard that everybody pretty much passes and they have open book tests and you do not even have to attend class for the lectures. You just have to show up for the open book tests. You can also take classes though the summer and get it over with in 2 years insted of the 4 years that online law school makes us do.

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I've come across this same sentiment from other posters and had to comment. Is this a commonly held belief among DL students? Who is telling you guys this nonesense?

I can't speak for every brick and mortar grad, but that description is not even remotely close to what I experienced. Everybody at my school was a stressed out basket case (especially during 1L) when exams rolled around. I never took a single open book test during law school, and all of my exams, without exception, were demanding. My school also had a mandatory attendance policy, only three absences were permitted, and you could be marked absent for being unprepared. 

Further, everybody definitely did not pass. The academic attrition rate at my school was usually around 4-6%, but a larger percentage could fail a single class without being dismissed. Lastly, I have never heard of anyone taking extra classes and graduating in two years. Southwestern has the SCALE program which is two years long, but that's unique. I believe my school limited summer school to six credits for full-timers, nine for part-timers.
On campus is easier, for one main reason (no fxbx) even ABA grads who sit it fail it the majority of the time. That alone makes it easier.
Plus the online course load is more as a state requirment. They have the scales set up against them. Plus no curve online either. An 80% on campus in any curved 1L class is an A. Online it's a C.

And yes, many "Top" lawschools are either no exam, all open book, and a P/F grade scale.
Hard easy, coast out, for those ones.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: legalpractitioner on September 07, 2012, 05:55:57 PM
"They have the scales set up against them. Plus no curve online either. An 80% on campus in any curved 1L class is an A. Online it's a C. "

I always wondered why my Taft GPA was something like 2.8.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on September 09, 2012, 02:15:37 PM
Quote
On campus is easier, for one main reason (no fxbx) even ABA grads who sit it fail it the majority of the time. That alone makes it easier.

I'm not debating whether one is "harder" or one is "easier". Those are qualitative assessements and are subject to individual opinion. DL may be harder, I don't know. I'm taking issue with several specific claims made by the poster, which I've seen repeated elsewhere. The fact that most ABA students who take the FYLSE fail is not surprising, since the only ones who have to take it are those that failed out of law school and are seeking readmission.

The first claim, that "everybody pretty much passes", is objectively verifiable nonesense. Especially among T4s it not uncommon to have a 20-30% academic attrition rate. Clearly, everybody does not pass.

The second claim, that tests are open book and you don't have to show up for class, probably varies from school to school. I've never heard of any law school, however, where open book tests were the norm. I'd be willing to bet that at the vast majority of ABA, state accredited, and DL law schools students take closed book, difficult exams.

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And yes, many "Top" lawschools are either no exam, all open book, and a P/F grade scale.

Can you provide one example of a top law school, or any law school, that has no exams or all open book? Even if one exists, I think you'd have to admit that it's the exception, not the rule. Berkeley is the only law school I'm aware of that grades High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/No Pass.

Lastly, I've never heard of anyone graduating in two years except from the SCALE program at Southwestern. Again, even if a few students do manage to graduate in years, you can't say that it's common as the OP implies.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: legalpractitioner on September 09, 2012, 04:46:11 PM
1.  First year Bar, I'd say 4-1 against ever passing regardless of retakes.  Most of those taking it are not going to be lawyer material.

2.  DL is open book, proctored exams hah-hah, we know human nature, better have a good memory when you take the bar.  But I might add, one of the hardest exams I ever took was the English QLTT and it was open book.

3.. No idea what a SCALE is, its 4 years for DL California law schools.   Can't imagine anyone passing the bar with 2 years.

As I have said before, the best candidate for a DL law school is someone already working in the legal system with a phenomenal memory who can't attend a regular law school.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on September 09, 2012, 09:03:23 PM
No idea what a SCALE is, its 4 years for DL California law schools.   Can't imagine anyone passing the bar with 2 years.

Southwestern has a program called SCALE. The acronym stands for something-something Accelerated Legal Education, and you get a J.D. in two years by taking extra heavy courseloads all year and during summers. I think it's a more selective program, and isn't open to all SW students.

As I have said before, the best candidate for a DL law school is someone already working in the legal system with a phenomenal memory who can't attend a regular law school.

I completely agree. For a highly motivated, smart, disciplined person DL is probably a great format. I think that a lot of people think that they possess those qualities, but don't, and thus the high attrition rates.
Title: Re: Novus Law School
Post by: cooley3L on September 10, 2012, 10:43:30 AM
No idea what a SCALE is, its 4 years for DL California law schools.   Can't imagine anyone passing the bar with 2 years.

Southwestern has a program called SCALE. The acronym stands for something-something Accelerated Legal Education, and you get a J.D. in two years by taking extra heavy courseloads all year and during summers. I think it's a more selective program, and isn't open to all SW students.

As I have said before, the best candidate for a DL law school is someone already working in the legal system with a phenomenal memory who can't attend a regular law school.

I completely agree. For a highly motivated, smart, disciplined person DL is probably a great format. I think that a lot of people think that they possess those qualities, but don't, and thus the high attrition rates.
Cooley has a simular program. The bar requires "3years" of education, but each 2 semesters count as an academic year. So they just cram in the extra year over the summers.