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Title: cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on March 11, 2010, 12:09:57 AM
I also am awaiting a decision.. since early february when my file was complete. I'm in the range to get a 25% scholarship based on the lsat so hopefully should come soon. I'm also planning on the ann arbor campus.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: IAmMultipleBooks on April 18, 2010, 01:18:39 PM
I also am awaiting a decision.. since early february when my file was complete. I'm in the range to get a 25% scholarship based on the lsat so hopefully should come soon. I'm also planning on the ann arbor campus.

Cooley is considered a liability on a resume. It is considered to be a joke.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 18, 2010, 01:37:53 PM
Here goes the invalid again talking about how its somehow easier to get a job without a license then with one, blah,blah,blah,

I also am awaiting a decision.. since early february when my file was complete. I'm in the range to get a 25% scholarship based on the lsat so hopefully should come soon. I'm also planning on the ann arbor campus.

Cooley is considered a liability on a resume. It is considered to be a joke.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 18, 2010, 10:26:46 PM
Here goes the invalid again talking about how its somehow easier to get a job without a license then with one, blah,blah,blah,

Having a license obviously only holds value if the job you're applying for requires that license. If you have a law degree, but you're applying for a job as an accountant, that's worth nothing (and it still cost you $150,000 or so to get).
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 19, 2010, 08:06:29 AM
If you want to be an account, of course you can skip lawschool. If you want to the bittch on the bottom of the stinkpile. If you want to be on top, get a JD in taxlaw or even better an LLM in it. That way you can do stuff that the other carboncopy CPA's can't and be worth more than the other faceless clones in the office.


Here goes the invalid again talking about how its somehow easier to get a job without a license then with one, blah,blah,blah,

Having a license obviously only holds value if the job you're applying for requires that license. If you have a law degree, but you're applying for a job as an accountant, that's worth nothing (and it still cost you $150,000 or so to get).
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 19, 2010, 12:23:16 PM
You seem to have some unrealistic expectations to the value of just having a law degree. Nobody is going to care about your JD or LLM if you're actually going to be an accountant, it has no effect whether you will be on top or on bottom of the market. It will only be wasted money and time.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 19, 2010, 01:31:41 PM
Depends on if you're scared of a courtroom or not. If you are a lawyer and a CPA you can help your clients out of a hell of a lot more pickles then just getting them to the halfway point and passing the buck onto someone else. You can charge a fee that reflects that too. If a CPA tries that, they go to prison.

You seem to have some unrealistic expectations to the value of just having a law degree. Nobody is going to care about your JD or LLM if you're actually going to be an accountant, it has no effect whether you will be on top or on bottom of the market. It will only be wasted money and time.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CooleyGrad on April 21, 2010, 09:16:34 AM
I also am awaiting a decision.. since early february when my file was complete. I'm in the range to get a 25% scholarship based on the lsat so hopefully should come soon. I'm also planning on the ann arbor campus.

Cooley is considered a liability on a resume. It is considered to be a joke.

Mind listing the names of the partners and firms that told you this?  I was concerned that moving back to my home state would be an issue but, generally speaking, no one knows anything about cooley here.  Besides, it has been my experience that firms are more interested the work that you actually do for them.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 21, 2010, 06:48:08 PM
Depends on if you're scared of a courtroom or not. If you are a lawyer and a CPA you can help your clients out of a hell of a lot more pickles then just getting them to the halfway point and passing the buck onto someone else. You can charge a fee that reflects that too. If a CPA tries that, they go to prison

You're starting to make less and less sense for every post you make.

If you have a law degree, but work as an accountant, you cannot go to court. And why the @#!* would anyone want their accountant to go to court anyway? That makes a grand total of zero sense.

Man, I don't mean to be a buzz kill, but you are valuating a law degree at least 20 times more than it's worth.

Mind listing the names of the partners and firms that told you this?  I was concerned that moving back to my home state would be an issue but, generally speaking, no one knows anything about cooley here.  Besides, it has been my experience that firms are more interested the work that you actually do for them.

Cooley's main claim to fame (or infamy) is the publishing of their own rankings, claiming to be the 12th best law school in the country. In fact, if they had the common sense to not do that *&^%, nobody would really give a *&^%, Cooley would be "just another law school" down the rankings. But because they're trying to, quite literally, deceive people into attending their school, they get a horrible reputation.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 21, 2010, 07:53:31 PM
just because you can't keep up dosn't make the facts less valid. Like you said "who would want the accountant to go to court?" Answer, no one who dosn't want him in jail for it. That being said, you if you have to go to court you have to pick between yourself or a lawyer, not a CPA,MBA,etc.

Depends on if you're scared of a courtroom or not. If you are a lawyer and a CPA you can help your clients out of a hell of a lot more pickles then just getting them to the halfway point and passing the buck onto someone else. You can charge a fee that reflects that too. If a CPA tries that, they go to prison

You're starting to make less and less sense for every post you make.

If you have a law degree, but work as an accountant, you cannot go to court. And why the @#!* would anyone want their accountant to go to court anyway? That makes a grand total of zero sense.

Man, I don't mean to be a buzz kill, but you are valuating a law degree at least 20 times more than it's worth.

Mind listing the names of the partners and firms that told you this?  I was concerned that moving back to my home state would be an issue but, generally speaking, no one knows anything about cooley here.  Besides, it has been my experience that firms are more interested the work that you actually do for them.

Cooley's main claim to fame (or infamy) is the publishing of their own rankings, claiming to be the 12th best law school in the country. In fact, if they had the common sense to not do that poo, nobody would really give a poo, Cooley would be "just another law school" down the rankings. But because they're trying to, quite literally, deceive people into attending their school, they get a horrible reputation.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 21, 2010, 08:13:23 PM
just because you can't keep up dosn't make the facts less valid. Like you said "who would want the accountant to go to court?" Answer, no one who dosn't want him in jail for it. That being said, you if you have to go to court you have to pick between yourself or a lawyer, not a CPA,MBA,etc.

But we were talking about people working as accountants. Not people working as lawyers. If you want to do brain surgery, it'd be helpful to have an MD, that's equally irrelevant to this discussion. I'm starting to see why you're 1) at Cooley and 2) think Cooley is a good school.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CooleyGrad on April 22, 2010, 07:17:38 AM
Depends on if you're scared of a courtroom or not. If you are a lawyer and a CPA you can help your clients out of a hell of a lot more pickles then just getting them to the halfway point and passing the buck onto someone else. You can charge a fee that reflects that too. If a CPA tries that, they go to prison

You're starting to make less and less sense for every post you make.

If you have a law degree, but work as an accountant, you cannot go to court. And why the @#!* would anyone want their accountant to go to court anyway? That makes a grand total of zero sense.

Man, I don't mean to be a buzz kill, but you are valuating a law degree at least 20 times more than it's worth.

Mind listing the names of the partners and firms that told you this?  I was concerned that moving back to my home state would be an issue but, generally speaking, no one knows anything about cooley here.  Besides, it has been my experience that firms are more interested the work that you actually do for them.

Cooley's main claim to fame (or infamy) is the publishing of their own rankings, claiming to be the 12th best law school in the country. In fact, if they had the common sense to not do that poo, nobody would really give a poo, Cooley would be "just another law school" down the rankings. But because they're trying to, quite literally, deceive people into attending their school, they get a horrible reputation.

I think the extra ranking system is silly too -- that is both of our opinions -- but since being back in my home state I haven't met anyone that has even heard of the alternate ranking system.  So please answer my question -- what are the names of the partners/shareholders and their firms that have told you this -- otherwise it is just another opinion on a message board.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 22, 2010, 08:28:18 PM
I think the extra ranking system is silly too -- that is both of our opinions -- but since being back in my home state I haven't met anyone that has even heard of the alternate ranking system.  So please answer my question -- what are the names of the partners/shareholders and their firms that have told you this -- otherwise it is just another opinion on a message board.

I think you can assume that's exactly what it is. I can't imagine anyone sitting in a job interview asking; "Well, what if I went to Cooley? Would you hire me then?". I can only speak for the firm I'll be working at this fall, and I don't have the impression they're talking bad about any schools. There's probably 150 schools they're not going to hire someone from, but I really can't see them smack talking about any of them. That's more what law students do. Law firm partners are generally grown ups, and act accordingly.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on April 22, 2010, 09:55:59 PM
I'd just like to make a post on this thread.. As a student who will be attending Cooley- Ann Arbor in January on an honors scholarship.

I give no consideration to Cooley's rankings, I have not & will not even look at them. Frankly, I wish the school would stop publishing them and to be just another 4th tier law school- I too believe this would greatly raise the reputation of the school. Heck, maybe I can join a student group and make that happen lol.

Also, on to the employment aspect. It's absolutely right that Cooley grads will 99% of the time not get 100k + law jobs especially out of law school. However, getting 50-75k jobs as lawyers in  government, public interest, small firms, and in house counsel positions is just as likely as any other 4th or 3rd tier law school graduate. And, particularly for students on scholarship the available options shouldn't be as dismal.

I personally am turning down Widener part time for Cooley Ann Arbor considering both are 4th tier & Cooley will cost me half as much as Widener.

So, I will restate my main points here so this can be took in as proper context as possible:

1- Cooley's rankings are irrelevant & more than likely should be rid of.

2- Cooley grads have a fair shot at jobs that are typically available to graduates of 3rd & 4th tier law schools, particularly in Michigan & the midwest.

3- Cooley can be an affordable option in this bad economy- possibly an attractive option compared to other 4th tier schools charging double what Cooley does for tuition. I would surely take Cooley over Detroit-Mercy or Dayton.

And finally 4th- Yeah, Cooley grads are 99% of the time not getting big law/100k + jobs out of law school & they shouldn't expect to. Cooley will also tell you to plan financially with this understood.

I hope people will start regarding Cooley for the 4th tier school that it is that can produce public service lawyers and small firm community advocates.

Good luck to everyone out there with your apps & legal career.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: . . . . . . on April 22, 2010, 09:58:27 PM
Don't take the scholarship to Cooley. Look it up. Many people lose the scholarship.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 22, 2010, 10:08:01 PM
To keep the scholarship you only have to maintain a 2.0 (stay off academic probation)

Don't take the scholarship to Cooley. Look it up. Many people lose the scholarship.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on April 22, 2010, 10:15:05 PM
yes, you only need to maintain a 2.0 or "satisfactory academic progress" to keep the scholarship.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 22, 2010, 10:19:33 PM
whats your source? whats the stats?......a guy told me in a bathroom once while takeing a pooo... :P


"Yeah, well I bet that's what Cooley told you,huh?" No *&^% sherlock,
If you want the real info on a scholarship ask the school, its that simple.

Don't take the scholarship to Cooley. Look it up. Many people lose the scholarship.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CooleyGrad on April 23, 2010, 08:45:06 AM
I think the extra ranking system is silly too -- that is both of our opinions -- but since being back in my home state I haven't met anyone that has even heard of the alternate ranking system.  So please answer my question -- what are the names of the partners/shareholders and their firms that have told you this -- otherwise it is just another opinion on a message board.

I think you can assume that's exactly what it is. I can't imagine anyone sitting in a job interview asking; "Well, what if I went to Cooley? Would you hire me then?". I can only speak for the firm I'll be working at this fall, and I don't have the impression they're talking bad about any schools. There's probably 150 schools they're not going to hire someone from, but I really can't see them smack talking about any of them. That's more what law students do. Law firm partners are generally grown ups, and act accordingly.

Well the implication was that there was some sort of "smack talk" -- but I agree with your revised approach. However, I do disagree with you in regards to firms not considering anyone from 150 schools because of their ranking/prestige. Take Texas Wesleyan, in Ft. Worth, Texas, it is a 4th tier school.  You are telling me that if I were to graduate -- lets say 4th overall in my class -- that Jones Day, Thompson & Knight,  Baker Botts, Vinson & Elkins, Fulbright & Jaworski, and Hughes & Luce wouldn't consider me at all?  I have a very hard time agreeing with that.

Additionally, my final term at Cooley, I was able to receive academic credit for a full-time and unpaid externship with a firm in my home state.  I never even had to interview for a job because the firm was able to see how sharped my skill set was and how ready I was "out of the box" that they didn't give a damn where I went to law school.  I think it is something that Cooley does mainly because the majority of the students that graduate don't practice in Michigan.  Everyone attorney that I have explained the process to, including my uncle who is a partner at a "BigLaw firm", has claimed that all school should adopt a externship/clinical program like Cooley's.

The great thing is that when you are offering 40/hrs a week of unpaid slave-labor -- you can get your foot into just about any door you can imagine, and for myself, and my close friends that went to Cooley, that is all we needed to get jobs.  

Full disclosure though, I have a friend who did the externship in FL at a DA's office and they will be volunteering their time after the bar with the office in return for a paid assistant DA's job once they pass the bar.  The office apparently doesn't hire people without their actual bar card.  But this really isn't a Cooley issue -- the other 5 of my friends that I am graduating with have jobs lined up.  As for the rest of the class -- who knows.  But I always come back to the point that Cooley gives people the chance and tools that you need if you are willing to kill yourself for three years.

For most of us it is a means to and ends.  And the ends are nearly what you have made them out to be.

I didn't proof read this -- have to run to court --- hope it makes sense.

MODFICATION: K&L Gates -- my bad.  I was just listing them off of the top of my head and forgot that they voted to combine firms.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: nealric on April 23, 2010, 09:15:18 AM
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Well the implication was that there was some sort of "smack talk" -- but I agree with your revised approach. However, I do disagree with you in regards to firms not considering anyone from 150 schools because of their ranking/prestige. Take Texas Wesleyan, in Ft. Worth, Texas, it is a 4th tier school.  You are telling me that if I were to graduate -- lets say 4th overall in my class -- that Jones Day, Thompson & Knight,  Baker Botts, Vinson & Elkins, Fulbright & Jaworski, and Hughes & Luce wouldn't consider me at all?  I have a very hard time agreeing with that.


Unfortunately, that's exactly what I would tell you. I'm not defending the practice, but the reality is that those firms don't hire from Texas Wesleyan. Don't believe me? Check the firm's websites. There are no attorneys from Texas Wesleyan at any of those firms. (BTW Hughes and Luce no longer exists).
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CooleyGrad on April 23, 2010, 09:24:33 AM
I'd just like to make a post on this thread.. As a student who will be attending Cooley- Ann Arbor in January on an honors scholarship.

I give no consideration to Cooley's rankings, I have not & will not even look at them. Frankly, I wish the school would stop publishing them and to be just another 4th tier law school- I too believe this would greatly raise the reputation of the school. Heck, maybe I can join a student group and make that happen lol.

Also, on to the employment aspect. It's absolutely right that Cooley grads will 99% of the time not get 100k + law jobs especially out of law school. However, getting 50-75k jobs as lawyers in  government, public interest, small firms, and in house counsel positions is just as likely as any other 4th or 3rd tier law school graduate. And, particularly for students on scholarship the available options shouldn't be as dismal.

I personally am turning down Widener part time for Cooley Ann Arbor considering both are 4th tier & Cooley will cost me half as much as Widener.

So, I will restate my main points here so this can be took in as proper context as possible:

1- Cooley's rankings are irrelevant & more than likely should be rid of.

2- Cooley grads have a fair shot at jobs that are typically available to graduates of 3rd & 4th tier law schools, particularly in Michigan & the midwest.

3- Cooley can be an affordable option in this bad economy- possibly an attractive option compared to other 4th tier schools charging double what Cooley does for tuition. I would surely take Cooley over Detroit-Mercy or Dayton.

And finally 4th- Yeah, Cooley grads are 99% of the time not getting big law/100k + jobs out of law school & they shouldn't expect to. Cooley will also tell you to plan financially with this understood.

I hope people will start regarding Cooley for the 4th tier school that it is that can produce public service lawyers and small firm community advocates.

Good luck to everyone out there with your apps & legal career.

I applaud your immense ability to pidgin-hold, limit, and restrict yourself as a Cooley graduate before you have even sat for a single class.  Your classification of Cooley graduates as primarily "public service lawyers and small firm community advocates" is incorrect and frankly insulting.

If these are your true mental impressions, then I strongly recommend (as a graduate of Cooley) that you take CJScolia's advice and not attend Cooley, because you will be eaten alive.

There is nothing wrong with someone going to Cooley, as they do with every school, wanting to be a public defender or work in a small firm, but to reduce "99%" of the graduates to that is factually inaccurate and shameful.

Your opportunities are no lessor than any other 3rd or 4th tier school.  In most situations, after you have been in the "real world" for 2-4 years no one even cares where you went to school, unless your firm happens to be fundamentally involved in an alumni association.  The firms just want to know how you will make them money.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on April 23, 2010, 10:59:11 AM


I applaud your immense ability to pidgin-hold, limit, and restrict yourself as a Cooley graduate before you have even sat for a single class.  Your classification of Cooley graduates as primarily "public service lawyers and small firm community advocates" is incorrect and frankly insulting.

If these are your true mental impressions, then I strongly recommend (as a graduate of Cooley) that you take CJScolia's advice and not attend Cooley, because you will be eaten alive.

There is nothing wrong with someone going to Cooley, as they do with every school, wanting to be a public defender or work in a small firm, but to reduce "99%" of the graduates to that is factually inaccurate and shameful.

Your opportunities are no lessor than any other 3rd or 4th tier school.  In most situations, after you have been in the "real world" for 2-4 years no one even cares where you went to school, unless your firm happens to be fundamentally involved in an alumni association.  The firms just want to know how you will make them money.
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Congrats, you've joined the ranks of the attacking posters on LSN.. good job feel good now?  What I Said was that it is unlikely that a cooley grad would directly out of law school from Cooley with a JD be starting in a law firm making 100k plus. Just merely saying that going to Cooley or most any law school with that expectation would be misguided.  And, feel free to get the employment statistics from LSAC or Cooley career services. For faster reference I'll just quote lsac:

- 80% employed within 9 months
- 50% in firms (with a firm being anywhere from 1 attorney to hundreds in the office)
- 18% in business
- 13% in gov't
- 5.7% in public interest
- 4.2% as judicial clerks
- 3.7% in academia

Its just important to be realistic about the future before taking on the 3-4 years in any law school- even though there is the slim chance that you could land an amazing, high paying position as you suggest.

I do agree that after a few years yes where you went will be decreasingly important, and your experience as an attorney would be more important.

Additionally, if you really went to cooley you might want to be appreciative of the few people that choose not to trash the school.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CooleyGrad on April 23, 2010, 11:09:28 AM


I applaud your immense ability to pidgin-hold, limit, and restrict yourself as a Cooley graduate before you have even sat for a single class.  Your classification of Cooley graduates as primarily "public service lawyers and small firm community advocates" is incorrect and frankly insulting.

If these are your true mental impressions, then I strongly recommend (as a graduate of Cooley) that you take CJScolia's advice and not attend Cooley, because you will be eaten alive.

There is nothing wrong with someone going to Cooley, as they do with every school, wanting to be a public defender or work in a small firm, but to reduce "99%" of the graduates to that is factually inaccurate and shameful.

Your opportunities are no lessor than any other 3rd or 4th tier school.  In most situations, after you have been in the "real world" for 2-4 years no one even cares where you went to school, unless your firm happens to be fundamentally involved in an alumni association.  The firms just want to know how you will make them money.


Congrats, you've joined the ranks of the attacking posters on LSN.. good job feel good now?  What I Said was that it is unlikely that a cooley grad would directly out of law school from Cooley with a JD be starting in a law firm making 100k plus. Just merely saying that going to Cooley or most any law school with that expectation would be misguided.  And, feel free to get the employment statistics from LSAC or Cooley career services. For faster reference I'll just quote lsac:

- 80% employed within 9 months
- 50% in firms (with a firm being anywhere from 1 attorney to hundreds in the office)
- 18% in business
- 13% in gov't
- 5.7% in public interest
- 4.2% as judicial clerks
- 3.7% in academia

Its just important to be realistic about the future before taking on the 3-4 years in any law school- even though there is the slim chance that you could land an amazing, high paying position as you suggest.

I do agree that after a few years yes where you went will be decreasingly important, and your experience as an attorney would be more important.

Additionally, if you really went to cooley you might want to be appreciative of the few people that choose not to trash the school.
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I have zero appreciation for people that claim that cooley grads are limited to public service and small firms.  And am sorry that I am not bowing down before you because you only have mildly/moderately misinformed things to say about the school.  Seriously, give me a break.  Your own figures from the LSAC show 5.7% being employed in "public interest" which show that your original statements (now watered down) were grossly inaccurate.

I really think you are missing the point -- you haven't even stepped foot in the school and have the wrong attitude.  It not only will severely impair your ability to succeed at Cooley, but also reflects poorly on the school itself.

You are essentially settling before you have even been served with a petition/complaint -- whether you realize it or not.  Maybe you should appreciate the direction/advice of something that has already been down the road that you haven't even seen yet.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on April 23, 2010, 11:24:21 AM
I will correct my statement, I AM interested in pursuing public service through law school - As I have through undergrad. Through going to Cooley this will provide the necessary training & I am aware of the pay for such public service positions.  And public service includes government, academic, and public interest figures.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 23, 2010, 02:55:46 PM
Anyone who disses Cooley is a raceist because they know we have the highest URM population in the country! I don't care if 70% of Arizona citizens do vote for it, bring in Obama to stop it! I hear he has at least one friend who's a professor at a "T1" school, so he probally knows a thing or two about academics too. Just don't speak out of turn, or he'll call you a Jackass.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 26, 2010, 12:17:38 PM
Well the implication was that there was some sort of "smack talk" -- but I agree with your revised approach. However, I do disagree with you in regards to firms not considering anyone from 150 schools because of their ranking/prestige. Take Texas Wesleyan, in Ft. Worth, Texas, it is a 4th tier school.  You are telling me that if I were to graduate -- lets say 4th overall in my class -- that Jones Day, Thompson & Knight,  Baker Botts, Vinson & Elkins, Fulbright & Jaworski, and Hughes & Luce wouldn't consider me at all?  I have a very hard time agreeing with that.

To be a bit philosophical today; Reality does not care whether you agree with it or not.

And most of those firms are TTTs anyway ;)

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Additionally, my final term at Cooley, I was able to receive academic credit for a full-time and unpaid externship with a firm in my home state.  I never even had to interview for a job because the firm was able to see how sharped my skill set was and how ready I was "out of the box" that they didn't give a damn where I went to law school.  I think it is something that Cooley does mainly because the majority of the students that graduate don't practice in Michigan.  Everyone attorney that I have explained the process to, including my uncle who is a partner at a "BigLaw firm", has claimed that all school should adopt a externship/clinical program like Cooley's.

Funny how none of the "BigLaw firms" actually give a rats ass about that when recruiting people then.

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The great thing is that when you are offering 40/hrs a week of unpaid slave-labor -- you can get your foot into just about any door you can imagine, and for myself, and my close friends that went to Cooley, that is all we needed to get jobs.

No, you really can't. Try getting your foot inside the door at Cravath, SullCrom or the USAO?

Mind you, it's not my argument that the current hiring model (AKA the Cravath model) is a good one, nor a fair one. I simply report what reality is, flawed as it may be.
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: Michigan_Saintsfan on April 30, 2010, 07:59:45 PM
Depends on if you're scared of a courtroom or not. If you are a lawyer and a CPA you can help your clients out of a hell of a lot more pickles then just getting them to the halfway point and passing the buck onto someone else. You can charge a fee that reflects that too. If a CPA tries that, they go to prison.

You seem to have some unrealistic expectations to the value of just having a law degree. Nobody is going to care about your JD or LLM if you're actually going to be an accountant, it has no effect whether you will be on top or on bottom of the market. It will only be wasted money and time.


A CPA may represent clients in Tax Court and many state-level administrative courts FYI
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 30, 2010, 09:18:35 PM
Yeah and play "red light, green light" with what they can do. Real smart.

Depends on if you're scared of a courtroom or not. If you are a lawyer and a CPA you can help your clients out of a hell of a lot more pickles then just getting them to the halfway point and passing the buck onto someone else. You can charge a fee that reflects that too. If a CPA tries that, they go to prison.

You seem to have some unrealistic expectations to the value of just having a law degree. Nobody is going to care about your JD or LLM if you're actually going to be an accountant, it has no effect whether you will be on top or on bottom of the market. It will only be wasted money and time.


A CPA may represent clients in Tax Court and many state-level administrative courts FYI
Title: Re: cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on May 08, 2010, 12:04:09 PM
To get this back on track..

Who's going to be starting @ Cooley this summer/fall/winter?? 

I will be at ann arbor in january part time.