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Title: Cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on January 23, 2010, 08:54:17 PM
Anybody planning to or considering Cooley in fall 2010? Which campus are you looking at? Have you visited?

*Please no trash talking the school, just people who seriously are or considering it.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: SLJD23 on February 16, 2010, 12:03:55 PM
I am considering Cooley in Fall 2010, specifically the Ann Arbor campus because it's closest for me.  I originally applied for Auburn Hills because of the weekend option, but I decided that was too far for me since I live just south of Toledo, Oh.  Of course I know all of the bad things people say, but I am considering Cooley because of the full-tuition scholarship I was offered.  My next option is University of Toledo Law, depending on what scholarship I am offered there, if any.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on February 16, 2010, 12:25:07 PM
Awsome. Best to you both.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: oneoclockjump40 on February 18, 2010, 07:22:44 PM
I applied to Cooley and I am awaiting a decision.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on February 18, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
How long ago did you apply?

I applied to Cooley and I am awaiting a decision.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on March 11, 2010, 01:08:42 AM
I also am awaiting a decision.. since early february when my file was complete. I'm in the range to get a 25% scholarship based on the lsat so hopefully should come soon. I'm also planning on the ann arbor campus.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: l8outoftheg8 on March 12, 2010, 10:00:34 AM
I just took the Feb. LSAT and I applied for Summer (May) 2010 admission to the Cooley Ann Arbor campus, among other schools.  I emailed Cooley's admission office on Monday and received a response that stated I can expect to receive notice on my admissions decision in about two weeks.  So, it'll be the week of March 22 when the news hits.  I am anxious--entering law school is very exciting!  It helped calm some of my anxiety when I received the first piece of good news, accepted at UDMercy, yesterday via email.  It also made me hungry for more.  I will be going to Cooley's Ann Arbor open house March 25.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on March 13, 2010, 04:46:53 PM
So you go to Detroit but chose Cooley still? Thats cool.

I just took the Feb. LSAT and I applied for Summer (May) 2010 admission to the Cooley Ann Arbor campus, among other schools.  I emailed Cooley's admission office on Monday and received a response that stated I can expect to receive notice on my admissions decision in about two weeks.  So, it'll be the week of March 22 when the news hits.  I am anxious--entering law school is very exciting!  It helped calm some of my anxiety when I received the first piece of good news, accepted at UDMercy, yesterday via email.  It also made me hungry for more.  I will be going to Cooley's Ann Arbor open house March 25.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: l8outoftheg8 on March 17, 2010, 09:06:14 AM
It's primarily an economic decision.  I'm interested and intrigued by UDM's program, but I'm attracted by Cooley's honors scholarship.  Either school will get me to the bar exam.  I also figure, with either school, obtaining employment is really going to be on me.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: therewillbeblood on April 16, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
Getting a job after Cooley is exponentially harder than at just about every other law school in the country.  Be warned.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: IAmMultipleBooks on April 16, 2010, 11:09:45 AM
Anybody planning to or considering Cooley in fall 2010? Which campus are you looking at? Have you visited?

*Please no trash talking the school, just people who seriously are or considering it.

Don't do it. Your resume looks better without it than with it. I have heard that it can actually HURT you in the future if employers see it.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 16, 2010, 05:33:40 PM
So in your  opinion going to cooley is worse than not going to lawschool at all?

Anybody planning to or considering Cooley in fall 2010? Which campus are you looking at? Have you visited?

*Please no trash talking the school, just people who seriously are or considering it.

Don't do it. Your resume looks better without it than with it. I have heard that it can actually HURT you in the future if employers see it.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: bigs5068 on April 16, 2010, 07:17:23 PM
Yes you literally die when you graduate from Cooley, the government has an order to kill you as you walk off the stage. It's like are your serious multiple books, it looks worse on a resume? 

Nobody is saying Cooley is Harvard, but I have actually worked with people that went to Cooley and were doing fine for themselves even people from CBA schools make it.  If the OP wants to be a lawyer then go for it you have a 0% chance of being unless you go to law school. If the OP is expecting anything to be handed to him from Cooley he is in for a surprise, but go to law school if you want to be lawyer, but do be aware of the risks and that Cooley is not Harvard.

There might be someone that thinks Cooley looks bad on a resume, I worked for this solo practioner who said he would never hire someone from Boalt or Stanford are those bad schools uhhhh noooooooooo! It was just his own opinion and he was entitled to have it.  Each employer can have their own view and there are a lot of factors that go into hiring someone other than the name of their school
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 16, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
You need to stop leaking state secrets like that man, Cheney has a lot of extra free time for hunting trips these days.....just a thought of caution........

Yes you literally die when you graduate from Cooley, the government has an order to kill you as you walk off the stage. It's like are your serious multiple books, it looks worse on a resume? 

Nobody is saying Cooley is Harvard, but I have actually worked with people that went to Cooley and were doing fine for themselves even people from CBA schools make it.  If the OP wants to be a lawyer then go for it you have a 0% chance of being unless you go to law school. If the OP is expecting anything to be handed to him from Cooley he is in for a surprise, but go to law school if you want to be lawyer, but do be aware of the risks and that Cooley is not Harvard.

There might be someone that thinks Cooley looks bad on a resume, I worked for this solo practioner who said he would never hire someone from Boalt or Stanford are those bad schools uhhhh noooooooooo! It was just his own opinion and he was entitled to have it.  Each employer can have their own view and there are a lot of factors that go into hiring someone other than the name of their school
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: therewillbeblood on April 18, 2010, 02:12:11 PM
Yes you literally die when you graduate from Cooley, the government has an order to kill you as you walk off the stage. It's like are your serious multiple books, it looks worse on a resume? 

Neither the strawman argument or your anecdotal evidence disprove the point; that Cooley puts you at a severe disadvantage in the legal job market.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: IAmMultipleBooks on April 18, 2010, 02:16:49 PM
Yes you literally die when you graduate from Cooley, the government has an order to kill you as you walk off the stage. It's like are your serious multiple books, it looks worse on a resume? 

Nobody is saying Cooley is Harvard, but I have actually worked with people that went to Cooley and were doing fine for themselves even people from CBA schools make it.  If the OP wants to be a lawyer then go for it you have a 0% chance of being unless you go to law school. If the OP is expecting anything to be handed to him from Cooley he is in for a surprise, but go to law school if you want to be lawyer, but do be aware of the risks and that Cooley is not Harvard.

There might be someone that thinks Cooley looks bad on a resume, I worked for this solo practioner who said he would never hire someone from Boalt or Stanford are those bad schools uhhhh noooooooooo! It was just his own opinion and he was entitled to have it.  Each employer can have their own view and there are a lot of factors that go into hiring someone other than the name of their school

Everyone thinks Cooley is a joke. It's literally the butt of law school jokes. It is worse than not having a law degree.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 18, 2010, 02:46:24 PM
Retard, how is ANY degree worse than not haveing one? Mention ONE just ONE job that you can get eaiser without a cooley degree than with it.

Yes you literally die when you graduate from Cooley, the government has an order to kill you as you walk off the stage. It's like are your serious multiple books, it looks worse on a resume? 

Nobody is saying Cooley is Harvard, but I have actually worked with people that went to Cooley and were doing fine for themselves even people from CBA schools make it.  If the OP wants to be a lawyer then go for it you have a 0% chance of being unless you go to law school. If the OP is expecting anything to be handed to him from Cooley he is in for a surprise, but go to law school if you want to be lawyer, but do be aware of the risks and that Cooley is not Harvard.

There might be someone that thinks Cooley looks bad on a resume, I worked for this solo practioner who said he would never hire someone from Boalt or Stanford are those bad schools uhhhh noooooooooo! It was just his own opinion and he was entitled to have it.  Each employer can have their own view and there are a lot of factors that go into hiring someone other than the name of their school

Everyone thinks Cooley is a joke. It's literally the butt of law school jokes. It is worse than not having a law degree.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: IAmMultipleBooks on April 18, 2010, 03:20:18 PM
Thanks for making my point for me.

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Retard, how is ANY degree worse than not haveing one? Mention ONE just ONE job that you can get eaiser without a cooley degree than with it.

Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 18, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
pointing out your medical disability isn't a point. Answer the question, if you can, and your won't, because you can't.

Thanks for making my point for me.

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Retard, how is ANY degree worse than not haveing one? Mention ONE just ONE job that you can get eaiser without a cooley degree than with it.


Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 18, 2010, 11:24:19 PM
Retard, how is ANY degree worse than not haveing one? Mention ONE just ONE job that you can get eaiser without a cooley degree than with it.

This would only be a valid argument if you got that degree at the grand total of $0.00
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 19, 2010, 09:09:31 AM
even if it cost you a fortune, the "valid argument" isn't about cost(although many do get scholarships)
It is about the fact that some idiot thinks it HURTS a resume to add a JD if from a "bad" school. It can't.
That is why I ask again, metnion ONE just ONE job that you can get easier WITHOUT a cooley degree then with it?

Retard, how is ANY degree worse than not haveing one? Mention ONE just ONE job that you can get eaiser without a cooley degree than with it.

This would only be a valid argument if you got that degree at the grand total of $0.00
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 19, 2010, 01:21:53 PM
Paralegal at Wachtell or Cravath or SulCrom. Just as obvious examples. :)
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 19, 2010, 02:34:32 PM
ok, its all sinking in now. Hey everyone, a PARALEGAL is trying to tell you how to live your lives! :D
Yeah, the bittchy secretary who thinks she's better than the lawyer, that makes sense. Seen that before. Gotta love that.  :P

Paralegal at Wachtell or Cravath or SulCrom. Just as obvious examples. :)
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CooleyGrad on April 21, 2010, 10:04:27 AM
Anybody planning to or considering Cooley in fall 2010? Which campus are you looking at? Have you visited?

*Please no trash talking the school, just people who seriously are or considering it.

Don't do it. Your resume looks better without it than with it. I have heard that it can actually HURT you in the future if employers see it.

I had zero problem finding a job back in my home state, and actually had a few options.  My core group of friends are all employed as well.  So I have to disagree with you here.  Is Jones Day going to hire you right out of school -- clearly not -- but they aren't going to hire from any T4 or T3 school at that point either.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 21, 2010, 07:51:21 PM
Not to be an ass, but a paralegal at Wachtell makes more money than 99.95% of all the people who has ever graduated from Cooley.

ok, its all sinking in now. Hey everyone, a PARALEGAL is trying to tell you how to live your lives! :D
Yeah, the bittchy secretary who thinks she's better than the lawyer, that makes sense. Seen that before. Gotta love that.  :P

Paralegal at Wachtell or Cravath or SulCrom. Just as obvious examples. :)

Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 21, 2010, 08:50:11 PM
show me the stat on that.

wachtell-lipton. They make some good ass tea, I'll give you that.


Not to be an ass, but a paralegal at Wachtell makes more money than 99.95% of all the people who has ever graduated from Cooley.

ok, its all sinking in now. Hey everyone, a PARALEGAL is trying to tell you how to live your lives! :D
Yeah, the bittchy secretary who thinks she's better than the lawyer, that makes sense. Seen that before. Gotta love that.  :P

Paralegal at Wachtell or Cravath or SulCrom. Just as obvious examples. :)


Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 21, 2010, 09:09:10 PM
Not to be an ass, but a paralegal at Wachtell makes more money than 99.95% of all the people who has ever graduated from Cooley.



If your not being an ass than what are you. Some people do make it big out of Cooley. Saying a paralegal makes more than 99.5% of Cooley grads is ridiculous. Your arguement is ignorant at best.

Uhm, factual? Facts are never good or bad, they simply are. Also, learn the difference between you're and your before posting on a law school forum, please.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: Mr. Hart on April 21, 2010, 09:14:28 PM
Just out of curiosity how much do these paralegals make. I doubt it is more than 99.5% of grads from Cooley.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 21, 2010, 09:17:03 PM
Just out of curiosity how much do these paralegals make. I doubt it is more than 99.5% of grads from Cooley.

For 2009, I believe their paralegals started on $105,000 before bonuses.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: Mr. Hart on April 21, 2010, 09:20:29 PM
So your saying that 199 out of 200 people that graduate from Cooley don't crack 6 figures in their life. ??? ???

Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 21, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
and if a cooley grad applied to one of those paralegals (when no one else would hire them) you think the company wouldn't be shitting themselves with excitment to have a lawyer and not just a secretary doing that job?

Just out of curiosity how much do these paralegals make. I doubt it is more than 99.5% of grads from Cooley.

For 2009, I believe their paralegals started on $105,000 before bonuses.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 21, 2010, 09:25:44 PM
I never thought that I'd see "cooley" "crack" and "don't" in the same sentence. First two mabey though.... :D
Just joking H, you can put down the gun. 8)

So your saying that 199 out of 200 people that graduate from Cooley don't crack 6 figures in their life. ??? ???


Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 21, 2010, 09:26:22 PM
and if a cooley grad applied to one of those paralegals (when no one else would hire them) you think the company wouldn't be shitting themselves with excitment to have a lawyer and not just a secretary doing that job?

That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.

So your saying that 199 out of 200 people that graduate from Cooley don't crack 6 figures in their life. ??? ???

At the same relative point in their career? I doubt it, but I don't really care as I'm not at Cooley.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: Mr. Hart on April 21, 2010, 09:32:51 PM


At the same relative point in their career? I doubt it, but I don't really care as I'm not at Cooley.

That is a lot different than saying nobody could acheive 6 figures in their whole life. I'm sorry if I got a bit rude, though.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 21, 2010, 09:33:31 PM
You're an idiot. What magic credential would a secretary have over a licensed lawyer if applying for the same gig?
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: Mr. Hart on April 21, 2010, 09:37:20 PM


At the same relative point in their career? I doubt it, but I don't really care as I'm not at Cooley.

That is a lot different than saying nobody could acheive 6 figures in their whole life. I'm sorry if I got a bit rude, though.

You're an idiot. What magic credential would a secretary have over a licensed lawyer if applying for the same gig?

I'm not saying I agree, but rather that his arguement is less egregious than I originally thought.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 21, 2010, 09:38:57 PM
That is a lot different than saying nobody could acheive 6 figures in their whole life. I'm sorry if I got a bit rude, though.

Sure, but let's be honest, this is an internet forum, not a debate competition, I'm allowed to exaggerate for effect :p

You're an idiot. What magic credential would a secretary have over a licensed lawyer if applying for the same gig?

Look, I've kinda caught on to the fact that you think you know everything better than everyone else. It's cool, I don't really care. As for getting employed at a firm like Wachtell, yeah, they'd take a 4.0 college grad over a Cooley JD grad any day of the week. That's just the way this business works. On a more general note, law firms do not generally want people with JDs as a paralegal ever, for obvious reasons. You're about 2 years away from getting a major wake-up call, we'll talk then.



And no, I'm not an idiot, I'm actually very smart.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: cooleylawstudent on April 21, 2010, 09:51:35 PM
lawstudent, everyones their own little genius... ::)


That is a lot different than saying nobody could acheive 6 figures in their whole life. I'm sorry if I got a bit rude, though.

Sure, but let's be honest, this is an internet forum, not a debate competition, I'm allowed to exaggerate for effect :p

You're an idiot. What magic credential would a secretary have over a licensed lawyer if applying for the same gig?

Look, I've kinda caught on to the fact that you think you know everything better than everyone else. It's cool, I don't really care. As for getting employed at a firm like Wachtell, yeah, they'd take a 4.0 college grad over a Cooley JD grad any day of the week. That's just the way this business works. On a more general note, law firms do not generally want people with JDs as a paralegal ever, for obvious reasons. You're about 2 years away from getting a major wake-up call, we'll talk then.



And no, I'm not an idiot, I'm actually very smart.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 21, 2010, 09:54:06 PM
lawstudent, everyones their own little genius... ::)

Actually, most people in law school are rather mediocre, with a good portion of the class being plain stupid. There's a few people who are very smart, few if any I'd actually call a genius.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CooleyGrad on April 22, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
and if a cooley grad applied to one of those paralegals (when no one else would hire them) you think the company wouldn't be shitting themselves with excitment to have a lawyer and not just a secretary doing that job?

That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.

So your saying that 199 out of 200 people that graduate from Cooley don't crack 6 figures in their life. ??? ???

At the same relative point in their career? I doubt it, but I don't really care as I'm not at Cooley.

I started at 83k with a mid-sized firm here in my home state. 27 attorneys -- damn same that I will forever be limited to making an additional 17k a year...
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: CJScalia on April 22, 2010, 09:21:09 PM
and if a cooley grad applied to one of those paralegals (when no one else would hire them) you think the company wouldn't be shitting themselves with excitment to have a lawyer and not just a secretary doing that job?

That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.

So your saying that 199 out of 200 people that graduate from Cooley don't crack 6 figures in their life. ??? ???

At the same relative point in their career? I doubt it, but I don't really care as I'm not at Cooley.

I started at 83k with a mid-sized firm here in my home state. 27 attorneys -- damn same that I will forever be limited to making an additional 17k a year...

I'm not sure why you would assume that about the other category either; but I think you got my point anyway. As I said before, I don't have a personal beef with Cooley, and I have no problem understanding why some people like it there.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: trudawg on July 13, 2010, 01:26:03 PM
Honestly if you aren't attending, or have attended Cooley then your opinion is virtually worthless to me or anyone else going or considering going there.
Back on topic, as of today the Ann Arbor Campus is full, which sux for me  because my family lives in Ann Arbor. My next campus of choice is Lansing and just making the hour an a half commute from A2
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: 2013JD on August 16, 2010, 11:04:04 AM
It's kind of funny hearing people trash Cooley.  Please keep in mind these are the same people who would never make it there.

I'm in my third term there and I'm going there while working.

I found a great tutor who set me straight and will even help me for the Bar Exam and his prices were beyond affordable.
I won two Book awards since starting there and while I only take 3 classes a term, Cooley allowed me this opportunity so please, don't believe all of the nonsense.

Going to Cooley can be a great thing and if you want to trasnfer after a year, I'll give you Bill's info. (tutor) and he'll help you out.
Take it from me, I'm not the traditional student and Cooley is allowing me to chase my dreams and after my grades come back in Week 4 I'll have even more options thanks to the opportunity Cooley gave me.

Good luck to you.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: bigs5068 on August 16, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
What do you know about Cooley you think going to the school and experiencing it first hand makes you qualified to take about the school. Are you crazy!!! The only people that know anything about law school are those that have not even taken the LSAT or set foot in a law school classroom. Those are the opinions I want to hear not some actual law student's first hand experience.

I do love how people knock tier 4's etc that have absolutely no idea about the school and generally the people who have the harshest things to say are those who have never set foot in a law school classroom.  I have never been to Cooley and it is unlikely I will ever find myself in Lansing anytime soon, but I have worked for successful Cooley alumni and people on this board that actually go to the school seem to have good things to say about it.  Cooley is not Harvard and I assume you know that when you went in, but the reality is law school is what you make of it. For any soon to be 1L law students don't listen to the idiotic stuff you hear on the internet and do not take U.S. News rankings to seriously. 
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: REALITY on August 18, 2010, 08:57:49 AM
I suspect its since lawyers know that only Republican opinions mean anything(the paper is VERY much republican based)
Stop abortions, Send the illegals back in chains, Gun rights even for toddlers, stop all welfare programs, and eliminate term limits to re-elect Bush.
Why wouldn't you want these things?

What do you know about Cooley you think going to the school and experiencing it first hand makes you qualified to take about the school. Are you crazy!!! The only people that know anything about law school are those that have not even taken the LSAT or set foot in a law school classroom. Those are the opinions I want to hear not some actual law student's first hand experience.

I do love how people knock tier 4's etc that have absolutely no idea about the school and generally the people who have the harshest things to say are those who have never set foot in a law school classroom.  I have never been to Cooley and it is unlikely I will ever find myself in Lansing anytime soon, but I have worked for successful Cooley alumni and people on this board that actually go to the school seem to have good things to say about it.  Cooley is not Harvard and I assume you know that when you went in, but the reality is law school is what you make of it. For any soon to be 1L law students don't listen to the idiotic stuff you hear on the internet and do not take U.S. News rankings to seriously.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: 2013JD on August 18, 2010, 11:05:54 AM
The bottom line is that Cooley is brutal and will make you a better lawyer.
Don't buy image over substance.
Go to Cooley and make it happen for yourself.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: REALITY on August 18, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
what if I want as easy "P" grade and expect a $160K job day one handed to me? You saying I don't deserve that!?!?!?!-Yeah you're probally right.

The bottom line is that Cooley is brutal and will make you a better lawyer.
Don't buy image over substance.
Go to Cooley and make it happen for yourself.
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: JDGuy86 on September 13, 2010, 08:05:53 AM
So.. how many of you superior intellectual posters missed the first post saying please no trash talking cooley on this post? We've all already heard your claims & yet Cooley remains the largest law school in the country. 

I am going to Cooley in the fall of 2011 (deferred admission from april acceptance w/scholarship).  Lets make this about networking for people actually planning or currently going to Cooley Law. PM me if you are such a person.

Thanks  & good luck!
Title: Re: Cooley in the fall
Post by: mrpopos10 on September 13, 2010, 09:48:33 AM
Largest like Mcdonalds, [Comment removed by moderator- let's keep this board at least relatively nice]