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Deciding Where to Go => Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses => Topic started by: Ion1776 on November 02, 2009, 08:40:31 PM

Title: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: Ion1776 on November 02, 2009, 08:40:31 PM
New to the site...Someone probably already asked this...Sorry

Im a Pre-Law student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. First, my family hate the fact im doing law (i.e. dads a doctor, moms a nurse. Uncle PhD Microbiology. 2 Aunts PhD Chemisty/Biology.) all science people....

Anyways...I want to go to an ivy league school, more specifically...Colombia, Stanford, Yale, Harvard, Duke. My parents think it doesnt make a difference where you graduate...

Im basically asking...

1. Say someone goes to Colombia (ranked 4) and someone goes to University TN law school (ranked 59). Is the Colombia graduate going to find a job easier?

2. Is the Colombia graduate going to get a better education?

Please feel free to expand further on any front, the info the better

Thanks

Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: Joey Porsche on November 02, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
Anyways...I want to go to an ivy league school, more specifically...Colombia, Stanford, Yale, Harvard, Duke. My parents think it doesnt make a difference where you graduate...

Don't know much about the Ivy League do ya...

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1. Say someone goes to Colombia (ranked 4) and someone goes to University TN law school (ranked 59). Is the Colombia graduate going to find a job easier?

Yes, everywhere but Tennessee.

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2. Is the Colombia graduate going to get a better education?

Yes.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: MauveAvenger on November 03, 2009, 05:01:48 AM
Unfortunately yes, it will make a big difference. Law is still an old school profession, and regardless of whether it's correct anymore the old classifications are still very much in place. Call it a glass ceiling, of sorts.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: nealric on November 03, 2009, 10:26:26 AM
As others have pointed out, not all top schools are Ivy league. The Ivy League is a sports conference. Some top schools (NYU, Chicago) are better than certain "Ivy" Schools (i.e. Cornell). Duke is not an ivy (but nevertheless a top school).

To answer your question: yes, a top school will have significantly better job prospects from a national prospective. As far as the education, it's hard to say. I've had transfers tell me they entered a whole new ballgame when they came here as opposed to local third and fourth tier schools they transferred from. At the same time, the basic curriculum will be the same, and most of law school involves self study anyways.

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Unlike science, legal employment is a caste system with two groups:  Ivy/top 10 and the other schools.  The difference is substantial akin to a cardiothoracic/neurosurgeon versus a nurse/physician assistant.


I think that's a bit overdoing it. It's not like things fall off a cliff at the top 10, the percentages of those getting the prestigious positions edges lower as you get down the scale. Also, some of those "Top 10" grads will be doing doc review with 4th tier grads in this economy.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: brocklanders12 on November 04, 2009, 09:52:56 AM
The two Ivys I recommend are Princeton and Dartmouth.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: IPFreely on November 04, 2009, 10:41:28 AM
Anyways...I want to go to an ivy league school, more specifically...Colombia, Stanford, Yale, Harvard, Duke. My parents think it doesnt make a difference where you graduate...
Tell your parents that post-graduation employment statistics collected by NALP show that whereas a large percentage (well over 50%) of graduates of the top fourteen law schools get a high-paying job, only about 5% of UTK grads do.  A UTK grad might get a job, or in this economy might not, but it will be in Podunkville and pay peanuts.

Maybe someone around here can dig up the NALP 2005 survey results.  I haven't been able to find the chart lately.  But I remember that Tulane put 11% of its grads into biglaw, and I think Chicago-Kent managed to place around 6% into biglaw.  The numbers get a lot worse as you go further down.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: JDat45 on November 04, 2009, 07:56:02 PM
I assume you are interested in COLUMBIA University and not COLOMBIA as in Central, America.    :-\
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: mbw on November 04, 2009, 08:32:44 PM
I assume you are interested in COLUMBIA University and not COLOMBIA as in Central, America.    :-\

Um, before you criticize someone's spelling, you might want to polish up on your geography.  Just saying.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: mccarthy on November 04, 2009, 09:40:05 PM
I assume you are interested in COLUMBIA University and not COLOMBIA as in Central, America.    :-\
Also,it's Central America. No comma. It's not Central, America. I laugh because you try to criticize someone else and look like an ass in the process.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: goaliechica on November 04, 2009, 09:55:03 PM
I assume you are interested in COLUMBIA University and not COLOMBIA as in Central, America.    :-\
Also,it's Central America. No comma. It's not Central, America. I laugh because you try to criticize someone else and look like an ass in the process.

Er, and just to make MBW's point in a less subtle fashion: Colombia is not in Central America. It is in the northern part of South America.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: Kirk Lazarus on November 05, 2009, 06:01:48 AM
I personally think that correcting the spelling error was the proper thing to do. Clearly the OP did not know how to spell Columbia and he spelled it wrong three times. Such a mistake would be a kiss of death if replicated on an application.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: TimMitchell on November 05, 2009, 06:05:20 AM
I assume you are interested in COLUMBIA University and not COLOMBIA as in Central, America.    :-\

Um, before you criticize someone's spelling, you might want to polish up on your geography.  Just saying.

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Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: mccarthy on November 05, 2009, 07:29:38 AM
I personally think that correcting the spelling error was the proper thing to do. Clearly the OP did not know how to spell Columbia and he spelled it wrong three times. Such a mistake would be a kiss of death if replicated on an application.

I agree that spelling is important. Unfortunately the guy trying to be a smart-ass left himself wide open to attacks because of his ignorance of geography and his misuse of a comma. His snideness coupled with his mistakes makes him look like a jerk unqualified to criticize people. Maybe he will check his own writing before trying to get a laugh pointing out the errors in others'.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: Pardon Johnny Cash. on November 05, 2009, 12:38:04 PM
I'm loving this thread.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: amassherst on November 06, 2009, 08:50:39 AM
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Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: JDat45 on November 06, 2009, 01:29:49 PM
I assume you are interested in COLUMBIA University and not COLOMBIA as in Central, America.    :-\

Um, before you criticize someone's spelling, you might want to polish up on your geography.  Just saying.

(http://nguyenhai.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/pwn3d.jpg)



Don't just say...make sure the OP is not on their way to South America!

BITE ME!!! :-*
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: JDat45 on November 06, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
I personally think that correcting the spelling error was the proper thing to do. Clearly the OP did not know how to spell Columbia and he spelled it wrong three times. Such a mistake would be a kiss of death if replicated on an application.

I agree that spelling is important. Unfortunately the guy trying to be a smart-ass left himself wide open to attacks because of his ignorance of geography and his misuse of a comma. His snideness coupled with his mistakes makes him look like a jerk unqualified to criticize people. Maybe he will check his own writing before trying to get a laugh pointing out the errors in others'.

You have at least 1 missing comma as well. The point was not to be snide, it was to point out a CRITICAL error...anyone can make a spelling or a grammatical error, but because the OP made the same mistake more than once, it appeared as if they didn't know the difference.


Please get over yourself!  ::)
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: nealric on November 06, 2009, 03:11:37 PM
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You have at least 1 missing comma as well. The point was not to be snide, it was to point out a CRITICAL error...anyone can make a spelling or a grammatical error, but because the OP made the same mistake more than once, it appeared as if they didn't know the difference.

OMG! You have an improper ellipsis use. Please consult the Texas Style Manual for proper usage instructions.  ;)
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: mccarthy on November 06, 2009, 03:23:11 PM
I personally think that correcting the spelling error was the proper thing to do. Clearly the OP did not know how to spell Columbia and he spelled it wrong three times. Such a mistake would be a kiss of death if replicated on an application.

I agree that spelling is important. Unfortunately the guy trying to be a smart-ass left himself wide open to attacks because of his ignorance of geography and his misuse of a comma. His snideness coupled with his mistakes makes him look like a jerk unqualified to criticize people. Maybe he will check his own writing before trying to get a laugh pointing out the errors in others'.

You have at least 1 missing comma as well. The point was not to be snide, it was to point out a CRITICAL error...anyone can make a spelling or a grammatical error, but because the OP made the same mistake more than once, it appeared as if they didn't know the difference.


Please get over yourself!  ::)
Shall I point out that you once again misused a comma by splicing together two independent clauses? Shall I point out that you misused the ellipsis? I ommitted a comma between two independent clauses joined by a conjunction ( which is common in informal communication) while you committed two kinds of comma errors that a fourth-grade English teacher would commonly see. "Central America" is a noun chain (proper noun) and thus cannot have a comma, and my ten year old cousin doesn't even use comma splices in her writing. Don't get into a grammar dispute with me, boy. (See how the comma sets off "boy," the derogatory term I'm applying to you?) Also, don't try to act like you were helping someone when no part of your post offered constructive criticism. You were trying to be funny, and, in the process, you revealed that you think Colombia is in Central, America (see that comma? That's a joke aimed at your ineptitude.) What else don't you know?   "Because the OP made the same mistake more than once, it appeared as if they didn't know the difference," you said. I won't point out that "OP" is singular and "they" is plural. I will just say that since you are making gross grammar and comma errors repeatedly, it appears as if you don't know the difference between writing that is appropriate for a little kid's diary and writing that other people will actually read.

Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: JDat45 on November 06, 2009, 03:28:59 PM
I personally think that correcting the spelling error was the proper thing to do. Clearly the OP did not know how to spell Columbia and he spelled it wrong three times. Such a mistake would be a kiss of death if replicated on an application.

I agree that spelling is important. Unfortunately the guy trying to be a smart-ass left himself wide open to attacks because of his ignorance of geography and his misuse of a comma. His snideness coupled with his mistakes makes him look like a jerk unqualified to criticize people. Maybe he will check his own writing before trying to get a laugh pointing out the errors in others'.

You have at least 1 missing comma as well. The point was not to be snide, it was to point out a CRITICAL error...anyone can make a spelling or a grammatical error, but because the OP made the same mistake more than once, it appeared as if they didn't know the difference.


Please get over yourself!  ::)
Shall I point out that you once again misused a comma by splicing together two independent clauses? Shall I point out that you misused the ellipsis? I ommitted a comma between two independent clauses joined by a conjunction ( which is common in informal communication) while you committed two kinds of comma errors that a fourth-grade English teacher would commonly see. "Central America" is a noun chain (proper noun) and thus cannot have a comma, and my ten year old cousin doesn't even use comma splices in her writing. Don't get into a grammar dispute with me, boy. (See how the comma sets off "boy," the derogatory term I'm applying to you?) Also, don't try to act like you were helping someone when no part of your post offered constructive criticism. You were trying to be funny, and, in the process, you revealed that you think Colombia is in Central, America (see that comma? That's a joke aimed at your ineptitude.) What else don't you know?   "Because the OP made the same mistake more than once, it appeared as if they didn't know the difference," you said. I won't point out that "OP" is singular and "they" is plural. I will just say that since you are making gross grammar and comma errors repeatedly, it appears as if you don't know the difference between writing that is appropriate for a little kid's diary and writing that other people will actually read.




Do you really think I'm going to read this???? Dude, it's not that serious....you are trying to GET INTO LS like the rest of us, please kill the posturing.... concentrate on your lackluster LSAT and not what some anonymous person says on a message board.... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: mccarthy on November 06, 2009, 04:01:13 PM
There is no posturing. You either know grammar, or you don't. You either offer good criticism, or you don't. You treat other posters with respect, or you don't. You can go around spouting off about a person's lsat score, but, if you do so with amateurish writing that belies a shallow intellect, no one is going to think you are any smarter. By the way, I'm assuming you did read it since you responded, ass. Don't bother me any longer with your trifles.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: nealric on November 06, 2009, 09:14:47 PM
Since this has devolved entirely into a flame war about grammar, I'm going to go ahead and lock it. Feel free to start another thread about ivy league law schools.
Title: Re: Ivy League vs. Regular Law Schools
Post by: EarlCat on November 07, 2009, 08:57:03 PM
Like we need another one.