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Deciding Where to Go => Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses => Topic started by: mccarthy on October 11, 2009, 04:48:45 PM

Title: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on October 11, 2009, 04:48:45 PM
 Hey guys. I am starting this thread in the hopes that those of us in this community who are trying to attend law school in Texas might discuss the ins and outs with one another. To start, I have a 3.49 GPA and a 162 LSAT (June '09). I'm applying to all the schools in Texas except Texas Southern and Texas Wesleyan, and my first choice is the law center in Houston. I feel like I've got a decent chance of getting in there, but we'll just have to wait to see. Any Texans or Texas school hopefuls out there?
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: USAFVETERAN on October 11, 2009, 05:46:24 PM
Your numbers appear to be good for U of H. Every other school in Texas should take a good look at you.  However, your gpa may not make you overly competitive for UT.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on October 11, 2009, 05:48:59 PM
 Thanks for the words of encouragement. Yeah, I don't think I'm UT material, at least not in terms of numbers. I'm really only applying there on the "You never know" principle. Are you looking at any Texas schools yourself?
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: armyjag on October 11, 2009, 10:24:30 PM
Honestly, unless you have a deep-seated need to live in San Antonio, I wouldn't even bother with St. Mary's.  That's school's pretty dead end.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on October 12, 2009, 12:35:23 AM
 That's pretty harsh. Would you care to elaborate?
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: USAFVETERAN on October 13, 2009, 06:38:43 AM
I do not go to school in Texas.  I am just from there.  However, with your numbers you should get into a decent school.  Outside of UT the next best would arguably be SMU in Dallas.  They have a superb hold in the Metroplex as far as being recruited. 
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on October 13, 2009, 08:09:30 AM
Going to SMU would have the added advantage of getting me close enough to see the Rangers play once a week and of allowing me to eat at the Greek. If I even had time for these things...
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on October 13, 2009, 08:10:51 AM
Not sure why I said greek. I meant the Egyptian...
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: USAFVETERAN on October 13, 2009, 10:13:46 PM
Going to SMU would have the added advantage of getting me close enough to see the Rangers play once a week and of allowing me to eat at the Greek. If I even had time for these things...
Uh...not sure why you said RANGERS????? But anyway.  After the first couple of months you will find time to do things that you want to do even if it is attending a Ranger game or going out for Greek.  To absolutley frank with you law school is not entirely hard.  The hard part is time management.  I think that most folks here would agree to this.  Also, I compare law school to sports.  If you like the Rangers, for instance, you probably are aware of the different type of rules involved in baseball.  You can recognize a foul.  You can recognize an err (I am not well versed on baseball so I will refer to football from now on).  In football you know a pass interference when you see one.  You know a facemask penalty when you see one.  This is basically how law school works as far as I have noticed.  It is about knowing rules, knowing when the rules have been violated, and to a degree what the defenses to these violations would be (like throwing the red challenge flag, if you will).  I simplify this way to keep it in perpective.  Instead of spotting rule violations of a game you are spotting rule violations in society. I am not sure why I just went into that rant when all you were asking about was a law school in Texas.  However, which school you get in I wish you the best.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on October 15, 2009, 11:42:15 AM
Uh...not sure why you said RANGERS?????
lol Yes I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment. This season was no exception and was perhaps worse in that they appeared to be making moves. Oh well...Anyway,that's an interesting perspective you've offered. I've been going into this assuming (and being told) that it will be one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Ninja1 on October 16, 2009, 12:31:39 AM
Don't even waste your time applying to St. Mary's or South Texas either. You'll get at least one of the five that matter.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: vap on October 16, 2009, 01:48:26 PM
I would guess this result:

UT - rejected
UH - accepted; probably with a small scholarship
SMU - accepted; maybe a small scholarship (maybe $10K/annual or less)
Baylor - accepted; probably with a 1/2 tuition scholarship (maybe more)
Every other school - accepted with full scholarship.

Good luck!
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: lawboy81 on October 16, 2009, 09:14:58 PM
I had your exact numbers and got dinged at SMU FT, but got a $20,000 a year scholarship to attend PT. I don't know what was up with that, thought it was pretty strange. Anyway, decided to attend Tulane instead, where I also got a $20,000 a year scholarship (for FT, they don't have a PT, lol) and it's ranked higher than SMU and in a much cooler city anyway.

I think you should be good for U of Houston. My sense though is that it has zero pull outside the area.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Contract2008 on October 25, 2009, 07:20:48 PM
Don't even waste your time applying to St. Mary's or South Texas either. You'll get at least one of the five that matter.

South Texas has a good reputation.  Maybe even better than Texas Tech, especially in Houston.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on October 25, 2009, 07:41:08 PM
Contract - that's an interesting assertion. Are you saying that South Texas is a school that should be applied to by someone with my numbers who wishes to work in Texas?
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Contract2008 on October 25, 2009, 07:50:05 PM
Contract - that's an interesting assertion. Are you saying that South Texas is a school that should be applied to by someone with my numbers who wishes to work in Texas?

No, what I am saying is that South Texas is not the "typical tier 4 law school."

You, with your numbers, should focus on UH, SMU, Tulane, UAlabama, etc.  Forget about tier 4.

Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on October 25, 2009, 07:55:58 PM
Thanks, I find those words encouraging. I've kind of been sweating the whole process, thinking that my numbers might not be good enough in this "competitive" cycle. U of H is my top choice, primarily because of its tuition and it in-state reputation, but I would be happy elsewhere, I'm sure. What do you think of Baylor?
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: laurel1020 on December 30, 2009, 11:03:03 AM
I'm applying to Baylor! I live in Texas and that is, in fact, the only school I applied to... I have a 162 LSAT and a 4.0 GPA, so I'm hopeful that I'll be accepted and maybe get some scholarship too. I didn't apply to UT because I don't really like Austin and couldn't see myself living there for three years. I didn't apply to U of H because it is a bit too close to home and I'm trying to be a little more independent from the family, same for South Texas (one of my cousins is actually a professor there so that would probably be worse).

I applied to Baylor because I love trial law and actually being in the courtroom. They have one of the best trial advocacy programs in the nation, and since that is what I am most passionate about in the law field, that is where I applied! South Texas has a great trial law program as well, but again, I'm kind of tired of my parents having a closer relationship with my professors than I do.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: nerfco on December 30, 2009, 11:47:36 AM
I'm applying to Baylor! I live in Texas and that is, in fact, the only school I applied to... I have a 162 LSAT and a 4.0 GPA, so I'm hopeful that I'll be accepted and maybe get some scholarship too. I didn't apply to UT because I don't really like Austin and couldn't see myself living there for three years. I didn't apply to U of H because it is a bit too close to home and I'm trying to be a little more independent from the family, same for South Texas (one of my cousins is actually a professor there so that would probably be worse).

I applied to Baylor because I love trial law and actually being in the courtroom. They have one of the best trial advocacy programs in the nation, and since that is what I am most passionate about in the law field, that is where I applied! South Texas has a great trial law program as well, but again, I'm kind of tired of my parents having a closer relationship with my professors than I do.

These comments sound fairly close to believe the oft- (and rightly-) maligned "specialty rankings" of the US News. That said,  Baylor is a good school--good luck!
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Contract2008 on December 30, 2009, 03:51:19 PM
I'm applying to Baylor! I live in Texas and that is, in fact, the only school I applied to... I have a 162 LSAT and a 4.0 GPA, so I'm hopeful that I'll be accepted and maybe get some scholarship too. I didn't apply to UT because I don't really like Austin and couldn't see myself living there for three years. I didn't apply to U of H because it is a bit too close to home and I'm trying to be a little more independent from the family, same for South Texas (one of my cousins is actually a professor there so that would probably be worse).

I applied to Baylor because I love trial law and actually being in the courtroom. They have one of the best trial advocacy programs in the nation, and since that is what I am most passionate about in the law field, that is where I applied! South Texas has a great trial law program as well, but again, I'm kind of tired of my parents having a closer relationship with my professors than I do.

These comments sound fairly close to believe the oft- (and rightly-) maligned "specialty rankings" of the US News. That said,  Baylor is a good school--good luck!

I would put Baylor slightly lower than SMU and UH, mainly due to its location. 
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: wcdrotar on January 01, 2010, 03:28:21 PM
I'm here in Texas also finishing my undergrad soon.  UT is fantastic if you're accepted.  Houston and SMU are both pretty good too.  Outside of them, going to another law school in Texas would be going against the principle of getting into the best law school you can.  Unless you have personal reasons to stay local, such as for family, might as well apply across the country.  But even then Texas is so large that a ten hours across isn't really local anymore. 

The GPA low at UT is in the 3.3's. 

Unless you're wanting to get an internship and certification practicing oil and gas law, I'd recommend just going to another state. 
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Contract2008 on January 02, 2010, 11:01:14 AM
I'm here in Texas also finishing my undergrad soon.  UT is fantastic if you're accepted.  Houston and SMU are both pretty good too.  Outside of them, going to another law school in Texas would be going against the principle of getting into the best law school you can.  Unless you have personal reasons to stay local, such as for family, might as well apply across the country.  But even then Texas is so large that a ten hours across isn't really local anymore. 

The GPA low at UT is in the 3.3's. 

Unless you're wanting to get an internship and certification practicing oil and gas law, I'd recommend just going to another state. 

If one wants to practice in Texas, it might be more benefitial to go to Texas Tech than say LSU or U. of Kansas. 
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: roblaw on January 14, 2010, 10:44:19 PM
I just posted this in another thread, but I'm going to repeat it here:

I attend St. Mary's University School of Law, so let me fill you in on what I think.

St. Mary's has been in a rough patch for about 15 years.  However, the school has seen a lot of it's problems disappear the last few years.  The school has a great bit of momentum, and here's why:

Jobs

We're seeing some incredible job opportunities being offered to St. Mary's students.  Two people on the Law Journal will be clerking at the Texas Supreme Court next year.  The Editor in Chief got a job with Cox Smith, which is the largest firm in San Antonio.  A 2L was just accepted into the summer program at Fulbright.  Another 3L will be a briefing attorney at the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals next year.  All in all, people are landing killer jobs.

Opportunities

You can judge a lot of law schools by four criteria: Journals, Advocacy Programs, Internship Opportunities, and Professors.  I'll discuss each of these in turn below.

Let me also add, though, that we have the only Terrorism Law Center in the country.  Professor Addicott, the center's director, is constantly on news programs discussing issues related to terrorism (http://www.stmarytx.edu/ctl/).

Additionally, there are two amazing study abroad programs.  At the Innsbruck Institute on World Legal Problems, you will study under a U.S. Supreme Court justice in Austria.  No kidding.  St. Mary's also just added the Institute on Chinese Law and Business.  The China program will help students prepare to represent clients who are doing business in China.

See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=innsBruckProgram and http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=instituteChineseLawBusiness .

I should also mention that St. Mary's was selected to webcast the oral arguments heard before the Texas Supreme Court.  You can check them out on our website.

Journals

It's overlooked, but St. Mary's has consistently had one of the top 15 most cited law journals in the country.  That means it ranks among the very best and most influential journals.  The students that work on the Journal are sharp, and among the brightest you could hope to hire.  The Journal is also partially supported by prestigious and supportive alumni.

Additionally, St. Mary's has another law review specifically for minority issues called The Scholar.  The Scholar is the 8th most cited out of 44 minority issues journals.  The Scholar continues to gain prominence and, like the Journal, has an excellent editorial staff.

Advocacy Programs

The advocacy programs (Mock Trial, Moot Court, Negotiations, Arbitration) are top-notch and consistently best some of the top teams in the country.  We're a practitioner's school, and our advocacy programs reflect that commitment.  See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=advocacyPrograms#externalAdvocacy to see the winning record of our advocacy teams.

We also host the annual Lone Star Classic.  It's a mock trial tournament with teams from all around the country.  Students, even those who aren't involved in the advocacy program, join in to help put on the whole thing.

And if you haven't seen our new mock court room, it's a must-visit.  The technology is astounding.  The advocacy teams practice in it, and courts Texas Fourth Court of Appeals and the Federal Fifth Circuit often hold their oral arguments in the court room so that students can watch.

Internship Opportunities

Plenty of people work at the DA's office (with pay), etc.  But the real gems of St. Mary's are the judicial internships.  St. Mary's students are selected each semester to work at several courts, including the Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals.  These opportunities are priceless.  You will not have as good of an opportunity to work for the Fifth Circuit as you do at St. Mary's.

Professors

I cannot express how grateful I am to have had the professors I've had at St. Mary's.  They are incredibly gifted, unique people with immensely impressive backgrounds.  They also have unique, memorable personalities.  John Teeter, a torts professor, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law.  I will never forget my first-year torts experience with him.  Aloysius Leopold is the Texas Property man.  The man practically wrote the Texas Property Code.  Vincent Johnson graduated from Yale Law, and teaches torts, professional responsibility, and other classes.  He's a true "scholar" in every sense of the word.  I could go on and on.  Flint, Kauffman, Liu, Rice, and many more.  Professor David Schlueter was a JAG officer.  You will truly learn evidence from this man.  He's also incredibly well-connected and is well-regarded by the legal community.

All in all, St. Mary's has some incredible momentum behind it.  With top Journals, extremely well-regarded professors, the best judicial internships in the state, the ability to study under a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, and top advocacy programs, you cannot go wrong.

Oh, and did I mention how great the law school community is?  We're a tight-knit bunch.  You should come give us a visit.  Good luck making your decisions.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: vap on January 24, 2010, 10:21:51 AM
It's overlooked, but St. Mary's has consistently had one of the top 15 most cited law journals in the country.

Only if you look at citations in court opinions.  Looking at both court and journal citations, St. Mary's is closer to #130 out of about 200 student-edited, general content, English journals printed in the United States (i.e., "flagship" journals).  http://lawlib.wlu.edu/lj/index.aspx


That means it ranks among the very best and most influential journals.

Ranking for court citations does not greatly impact a journal's overall reputation.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Thane Messinger on February 06, 2010, 02:34:30 AM
Aloha, mccarthy & All -

UT is, of course, a quasi-national law school, so getting in would be a strong boost.  That written, UT is (or at least was) highly competitive--not in terms of its rankings but in the negative sense of students feeling the need to be competitive with and among each other.  Partly because of UT's position as being just below the top schools, and in striving to reach national status and place its student nationally--students were thus competing with the likes of Harvard and Boalt Hall grads.  (This brings to mind the old joke on Mad TV (?) about hiring someone really ugly so that you'd look good by comparison.)  In my days (1989-91), those who hoped for positions from UT in Texas were fairly safe--but in a bad market, not completely safe--while those hoping to practice elsewhere sweated a little bit more. 

I mention that because it's important to think about the type of experience one wants out of law school.  It's easy to assume that Boston Legal is the only way to fly, but in fact that is fairly rarefied, and for those who actually make it, not many want to stay.  (I interviewed at a firm in Boston, as it happens, and upon being shown the floor wanted to escape.  Every office door was closed, and people were not friendly at all.  Then again, I'm from Austin.  = :  ) 

Also, SMU and UH (which in my neck of the ocean refers to the University of Hawaii) are well-regarded, have good facilities and amenities (though it's been years since I've been to either), and will be a boost within their respective areas and, to a lesser extent, regionally.

This leads to perhaps the point that should go first: where would you like to practice?  Where would you like to live and retire?  Seriously, which city do you like the most?  Some don't like Austin (egads!), while others wouldn't care for [pick your least favorite].  Unless you *truly* don't care, it's better to pick the school that will be the closest fit to you, in all senses of the word.  Geography is a part of that, as is the focus and expertise of the school's faculty, the facilities (particularly if ADA is a concern), and so on.

I hope this helps,

Thane.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: nealric on February 07, 2010, 12:22:10 PM
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Only if you look at citations in court opinions.  Looking at both court and journal citations, St. Mary's is closer to #130 out of about 200 student-edited, general content, English journals printed in the United States (i.e., "flagship" journals). [/quite]

Kind of odd: it's at #279 for journal citations and #10 for court citations. I wonder what explains the discrepancy? Is there some judge in San Antonio who just cites the St. Mary's journal at every opportunity?
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: coto29 on March 22, 2010, 04:04:50 PM
I'm thinking about transferring to St. Mary's.  I like San Antonio and its the only law school there.  Local job prospects look decent.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Contract2008 on March 23, 2010, 04:09:02 PM
I'm thinking about transferring to St. Mary's.  I like San Antonio and its the only law school there.  Local job prospects look decent.
What school are you currently at?

Do you know that UT is 1.5 hour away?  And about 2.5 hours are three law schools. 
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: vap on March 23, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
Do you know that UT is 1.5 hour away?  And about 2.5 hours are three law schools. 

With about 45% of all lawyers in Bexar County being St. Mary's graduates, wouldn't a St Mary's grad do pretty well if he or she wants to stay in San Antonio?  (I'm not very familiar with St. Mary's or San Antonio, so I'm asking a serious question.)
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: coto29 on March 24, 2010, 09:49:27 AM
Yes, but the numbers I heard were higher.  I can't verify, but was told that up to 70% of San Antonio area legal community is made up of St. Mary grads.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: vap on March 24, 2010, 11:40:32 AM
Yes, but the numbers I heard were higher.  I can't verify, but was told that up to 70% of San Antonio area legal community is made up of St. Mary grads.

I got the 45% number from the Texas Bar 2006-2007 statistical survey.  http://www.texasbar.com/Template.cfm?Section=reports&CONTENTID=17241&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Thane Messinger on March 26, 2010, 12:42:59 AM
Yes, but the numbers I heard were higher.  I can't verify, but was told that up to 70% of San Antonio area legal community is made up of St. Mary grads.


Fair stats, but these numbers can be a bit misleading; it's important to consider the positions as well.  There are substantial differences depending upon where, specifically, one is looking.  Clearly, local is local (and San Antonio is very local), but the importance of ranking (both national and regional*) is important as well.  Raw numbers can thus be quite misleading, depending upon what one wants from the degree and upon one's specific circumstances.

Thane

*  Texas is large enough, geographically, demographically, and by market growth, that it's almost its own region.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Sceva31st on April 01, 2010, 07:40:45 PM
I attend school the University of Texas at Tyler.  Without exception all of the people I have met on campus that want to practice law, want to attend law school in Texas (approximately 10 students).  I personally did not consider attending law school outside of Texas until the pre law advisor encouraged me to look at colleges outside of Texas.  I was wondering if it is normal for most students to generally only consider law schools in their state, is it a phenomenon unique only to Texas, or is it just coincidental that I know 10 other people that only want to go to law school in Texas?
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Contract2008 on April 04, 2010, 05:37:20 PM
I attend school the University of Texas at Tyler.  Without exception all of the people I have met on campus that want to practice law, want to attend law school in Texas (approximately 10 students).  I personally did not consider attending law school outside of Texas until the pre law advisor encouraged me to look at colleges outside of Texas.  I was wondering if it is normal for most students to generally only consider law schools in their state, is it a phenomenon unique only to Texas, or is it just coincidental that I know 10 other people that only want to go to law school in Texas?

If you want to stay in Texas, there is no reason to attend a lawschol outside of Texas.  Unlike most states, Texas has a Top Tier 1 to bottom Tier 4 and anything in between.  Texas has expensive private schools to cheap in-state schools.  You have everything you need.  The only exception is when you got accepted to schools much better than UT, such as Stanford, Columbia or Yale. 

Anhything less than those schools, it's best to stick with Texas law schools. 
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: nealric on April 05, 2010, 08:40:00 AM
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The only exception is when you got accepted to schools much better than UT, such as Stanford, Columbia or Yale.  

Anhything less than those schools, it's best to stick with Texas law schools.  

I disagree here. I think any T14 is better than any school in Texas- this is from personal experience as someone who interviewed there. I was given better treatment as a GULC student than UT students were. For biglaw in Texas, UT students, while sought after, are a dime a dozen. T14 students who are from Texas are a comparably rare and valuable commodity. I know of at least two bigtex firms where the grade cutoffs are higher for UT students.

Of course, the above only applies to biglaw jobs- but most people going to a T14 are probably either biglaw or PI oriented. If PI oriented, the better LRAP programs of the T14 probably make them worth it.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Thane Messinger on April 05, 2010, 02:51:11 PM
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The only exception is when you got accepted to schools much better than UT, such as Stanford, Columbia or Yale.  

Anhything less than those schools, it's best to stick with Texas law schools.  

I disagree here. I think any T14 is better than any school in Texas- this is from personal experience as someone who interviewed there. I was given better treatment as a GULC student than UT students were. For biglaw in Texas, UT students, while sought after, are a dime a dozen. T14 students who are from Texas are a comparably rare and valuable commodity. I know of at least two bigtex firms where the grade cutoffs are higher for UT students.

Of course, the above only applies to biglaw jobs- but most people going to a T14 are probably either biglaw or PI oriented. If PI oriented, the better LRAP programs of the T14 probably make them worth it.


Much as I would like to disagree, there's a lot of truth to this.  There seems to be "Harvard envy" among Texas firms--even among UT-grad partners--so while there are jobs for UT grads, the size of the law school makes competition for the top jobs rather fierce.  I've been told, further, that the grade system has changed greatly since when I was there, but that has probably made a difference (unfairly) among firms.

It might be more fair to look at this from whichever vantage one has:  if one has a shot at a T14 (I would probably narrow that a bit to the top half to two-thirds of the T14), that might be a better shot than the just-below T14 UT, even if one wants to stay in Texas.  If, however, one is nowhere near T14 territory, then UT will be a solid choice.

On the plus side, Austin is arguably one of the best cities in the U.S. to live in (and I've lived in a few).  I've a friend who thinks me crazy, but I'd choose Austin over just about any city on either coast.

A second plus for any Texas resident is, of course, the almost-bargain tuition.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Contract2008 on April 05, 2010, 05:23:13 PM


A second plus for any Texas resident is, of course, the almost-bargain tuition.


That's what I meant.  Would it be wise to have extra $100K in debt for a Georgetown degree over a UT degree?
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Thane Messinger on April 05, 2010, 07:29:06 PM


A second plus for any Texas resident is, of course, the almost-bargain tuition.


That's what I meant.  Would it be wise to have extra $100K in debt for a Georgetown degree over a UT degree?


There's yet another aspect of this, relating to the stratum one is operating in (or aspiring to).  If competing with grads from the likes of Harvard and Stanford, a Texas grad is going to face an uphill battle, especially now.  Against another mid-top tier 1 school?  It's much more of a wash.  (So, the analysis that applies to UT applies as well to just about all schools.)

And within Texas?  Again, unless someone is coming in with a top-5 credential, it's likely to be a wash, or almost so.  In most markets in Texas, there's still a strong boost with a UT degree.  Outside Texas, there's a *much* stronger boost for those with degrees from Texas schools of a UT degree.

This too goes to the misperception most have about rankings.  It's not a linear process, but very much tied to recognition (national, regional, local) and proximity to the locale of choice.  A University of Texas degree will be recognized nearly everywhere; other Texas schools, less so.  And, for a Texas resident, the financial argument is compelling.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: nealric on April 05, 2010, 07:38:51 PM
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That's what I meant.  Would it be wise to have extra $100K in debt for a Georgetown degree over a UT degree?

The difference is 42k at today's tuition prices. (29k in-state UT vs. 43k GULC). Out of state UT is actually more than GULC.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Ninja1 on April 05, 2010, 10:18:38 PM
Texas over GT any day, no doubt.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: nealric on April 06, 2010, 06:41:47 AM
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Texas over GT any day, no doubt.


Hey Reginold!

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Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: Ninja1 on April 06, 2010, 08:40:18 AM
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Texas over GT any day, no doubt.


Hey Reginold!

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Well played sir.
Title: Re: texas law schools
Post by: mccarthy on April 06, 2010, 09:47:20 AM
I attend school the University of Texas at Tyler.  Without exception all of the people I have met on campus that want to practice law, want to attend law school in Texas (approximately 10 students).  I personally did not consider attending law school outside of Texas until the pre law advisor encouraged me to look at colleges outside of Texas.  I was wondering if it is normal for most students to generally only consider law schools in their state, is it a phenomenon unique only to Texas, or is it just coincidental that I know 10 other people that only want to go to law school in Texas?

I dont think there is one simple response to your question. Im sure that some choose to stay in-state for economic and/or familial reasons or because of a strong desire to stay close to home while others simply want the opportunity to live in a new region. Still others, I think, dont fully understand how regional most law schools are, so they blindly enter any high ranked school they can. They see a school ranked in the low 50s and assume that its employment prospects are better through and through than a particular mainstay in a given region. Of course, this desire to stay in-state could also be a phenomenon peculiar to Texas (though I doubt it) that arose because Texas is, quite frankly, a badass place to live. I may be biased in this last regard...seriously though, I would wager that what is "normal" is relative to lsat/gpa. Students with high numbers will probably apply to the T14 along with a smattering of other, more local schools; students with low numbers will likely apply to nearby third tier schools.