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Title: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: snw010 on June 29, 2009, 12:45:57 PM
I scored a 149 for the first time on the June 2009 LSAT.  Becauze I am pretty disappointed with my score, I am planning to take it again. 

My undergraduate GPA is 3.5 cumulative.  I have a degree in Psychology, with a minor in English and concentrations in Chemistry and Biology. 

I have been active in my fraternity with numerous positions held over the last four years on our Executive Council, and I have also served as a member of the Inter-fraternal Council.  Furthermore, I was an Orientation Student Leader and a Student Leader Liason.  I also served as a Supreme Court Justice for SGA and am a member of Omicron Delta Kappa Honor Society.  I have been involved with grassroots campaigning with the Louisiana Republican Party.  I am hoping that my extracurricular involvement will be of benefit in the application process. 

I am pursuing a Master's degree in English next year, and hoping to enter law school in the Fall of 2010.  Any advice and information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter. 

The main schools to which I am applying are LSU, Tulane, Loyola New Orleans, Ole Miss, and SMU. 
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Pardon Johnny Cash. on June 29, 2009, 12:49:59 PM
I scored a 149 for the first time on the June 2009 LSAT.  Becauze I am pretty disappointed with my score, I am planning to take it again. 

My undergraduate GPA is 3.5 cumulative.  I have a degree in Psychology, with a minor in English and concentrations in Chemistry and Biology. 

I have been active in my fraternity with numerous positions held over the last four years on our Executive Council, and I have also served as a member of the Inter-fraternal Council.  Furthermore, I was an Orientation Student Leader and a Student Leader Liason.  I also served as a Supreme Court Justice for SGA and am a member of Omicron Delta Kappa Honor Society.  I have been involved with grassroots campaigning with the Louisiana Republican Party.  I am hoping that my extracurricular involvement will be of benefit in the application process. 

I am pursuing a Master's degree in English next year, and hoping to enter law school in the Fall of 2010.  Any advice and information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter. 

The main schools to which I am applying are LSU, Tulane, Loyola New Orleans, Ole Miss, and SMU. 

I think that you're over shooting with your schools.  particularly Tulane.  I know someone who got waitlisted from Ole Miss with a 149/4.0 and he's a resident.  And he was shocked by this.  You have a fine GPA, but you simply need to score higher on the LSAT.  Even a couple points higher will bring your LSAT up to closer to acceptable.  But right now, 149 is cause for concern to some adcoms.  You'd probably be a good candidate for Ole miss or LSU if you can just get up to a 154. Loyola's median LSAT is 153 - so I would think that you should reallly try to simply get up to 151 to have a shot.  But there is this artificial barrier between 149 and 151.  School's just really hate that 40-number.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Ninja1 on June 29, 2009, 01:17:28 PM
Like PJC said, you're going to need a few more points on the LSAT to be really competitive at your targets, with the possible exception of Loyola. If you can get a 155, you should be easily in at LSU and Ole Miss.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Diet Yomajesty on June 29, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
I think SMU will be even tougher than Tulane.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: snw010 on June 29, 2009, 01:31:04 PM
Would my application look so bad that it would be worthwhile to wait until I get a higher LSAT?

Or would it be worth the gamble to apply with the information listed above?
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Pardon Johnny Cash. on June 29, 2009, 01:36:32 PM
Would my application look so bad that it would be worthwhile to wait until I get a higher LSAT?

Or would it be worth the gamble to apply with the information listed above?

Yes, wait.  You can submit your apps and specify that you will be taking another LSAT and request the judgment be reserved.  But Loyola NO is your only chance since your GPA is above the median.  I still fear that your LSAT is too low.  You are at the 25th percentile which isn't that bad.  Being below would make it extremely hard to get in... But I definitely couldn't see how you'd fair better than a WL.  But if you score higher, LSU and Ole Miss could be in play.  You really have to try to do this. 
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Diet Yomajesty on June 29, 2009, 01:41:47 PM
What's the deal with getting a Masters? What's your motivation for doing that? Do you want to be a lawyer or do you just want the degree?

Are you a minority, by the way?
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: snw010 on June 29, 2009, 01:44:51 PM
I'm getting my Master's because I don't want to get a real job, and didn't feel like buckling down and trying my hardest to get a high LSAT. 

No, my motivation for going to law school is not simply "for the degree".  My family has an Admiralty and Maritime firm that I am planning on becoming a part of one day. 
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Ninja1 on June 29, 2009, 01:45:55 PM
Would my application look so bad that it would be worthwhile to wait until I get a higher LSAT?

Or would it be worth the gamble to apply with the information listed above?

Wait.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: snw010 on June 29, 2009, 01:46:10 PM
P.S.  I'm White.  
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: audi20V on June 30, 2009, 12:28:22 PM
OP, I recommend that you attempt to find employment rather than undertaking the MS in English. The MS in English is a waste of time and money, and you certainly don't need it for law school, nor will it help you to get admitted, nor will it help you in employment prospects. The only thing it will do is let you stay in college for another year, which I suppose isn't a terrible thing (as long as you aren't paying the bills). Industry work experience will benefit you in many more relevant ways, however. The best thing you can do now is spend a few months with Kaplan's LSAT 180 and practice tests until you can get your score 15 points higher.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: audi20V on June 30, 2009, 12:31:15 PM
I'm getting my Master's because I don't want to get a real job, and didn't feel like buckling down and trying my hardest to get a high LSAT. 

Ok, I didn't read this first. At least you're honest. However, getting a real job is in your best interests now. College is done. Don't be one of those people who refuse to move on with their lives, or worse yet, one of those who treat law school like college part 2.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: 'blueskies on June 30, 2009, 12:45:39 PM
OP, if your family has a firm that will hire you, why not just apply to a T3/4 school that gives you the most money and you have the least chance of failing out of (the last part is important as some schools have forced attrition rates)?
 
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Ninja1 on June 30, 2009, 06:25:49 PM
OP, if your family has a firm that will hire you, why not just apply to a T3/4 school that gives you the most money and you have the least chance of failing out of (the last part is important as some schools have forced attrition rates)?
 

Hence why LSU or Ole Miss sound really good if he can get either. Loyola still has a few washouts each year. Meanwhile, he'd have to really @#!* up to get punted from the SEC. And they're both dirt cheap with much better street cred.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Contract2008 on July 01, 2009, 08:35:59 PM
 
I have been active in my fraternity with numerous positions held over the last four years on our Executive Council, and I have also served as a member of the Inter-fraternal Council.  Furthermore, I was an Orientation Student Leader and a Student Leader Liason.  I also served as a Supreme Court Justice for SGA and am a member of Omicron Delta Kappa Honor Society.  I have been involved with grassroots campaigning with the Louisiana Republican Party.  I am hoping that my extracurricular involvement will be of benefit in the application process. 

I am pursuing a Master's degree in English next year, and hoping to enter law school in the Fall of 2010.  Any advice and information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter. 

The main schools to which I am applying are LSU, Tulane, Loyola New Orleans, Ole Miss, and SMU. 

I can almost safely say that 2 points extra on your LSAT will trump all the crap you've listed above. 
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Ninja1 on July 02, 2009, 02:38:12 AM
 
I have been active in my fraternity with numerous positions held over the last four years on our Executive Council, and I have also served as a member of the Inter-fraternal Council.  Furthermore, I was an Orientation Student Leader and a Student Leader Liason.  I also served as a Supreme Court Justice for SGA and am a member of Omicron Delta Kappa Honor Society.  I have been involved with grassroots campaigning with the Louisiana Republican Party.  I am hoping that my extracurricular involvement will be of benefit in the application process. 

I am pursuing a Master's degree in English next year, and hoping to enter law school in the Fall of 2010.  Any advice and information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter. 

The main schools to which I am applying are LSU, Tulane, Loyola New Orleans, Ole Miss, and SMU. 

I can almost safely say that 2 points extra on your LSAT will trump all the crap you've listed above. 

This is right.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: snw010 on September 17, 2009, 11:06:02 PM
I'm thinking about taking a Kaplan review course, but I really don't want to.  I haven't applied anywhere yet.  Should I wait until the next LSAT?  Any advice?
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Ninja1 on September 18, 2009, 08:57:31 AM
I'm thinking about taking a Kaplan review course, but I really don't want to.  I haven't applied anywhere yet.  Should I wait until the next LSAT?  Any advice?

Are you already taking the LSAT in a few weeks?
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: HopefullyHarvard2011 on October 03, 2009, 06:47:15 PM
I scored a 149 for the first time on the June 2009 LSAT.  Becauze I am pretty disappointed with my score, I am planning to take it again. 

My undergraduate GPA is 3.5 cumulative.  I have a degree in Psychology, with a minor in English and concentrations in Chemistry and Biology. 

I have been active in my fraternity with numerous positions held over the last four years on our Executive Council, and I have also served as a member of the Inter-fraternal Council.  Furthermore, I was an Orientation Student Leader and a Student Leader Liason.  I also served as a Supreme Court Justice for SGA and am a member of Omicron Delta Kappa Honor Society.  I have been involved with grassroots campaigning with the Louisiana Republican Party.  I am hoping that my extracurricular involvement will be of benefit in the application process. 

I am pursuing a Master's degree in English next year, and hoping to enter law school in the Fall of 2010.  Any advice and information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter. 

The main schools to which I am applying are LSU, Tulane, Loyola New Orleans, Ole Miss, and SMU. 

Correlation?? lol, just kidding.If I were you -- being from the Detroit area myself, would apply to UDM.
Hell they might even offer you a partial scholarship because your GPA is above their 75th percentile. UDM has also taken a big leap in recognition, and has always been good for placement in Detroit (a secondary market). UDM's reputation also is solid within the region. Wayne Law will place above you, but just work hard in class; the top law students from UDM are equal to the top law students at Wayne. I'm applying to UM next cycle too, and unlike 90% of their grads I'll stay in MI. That is however contingent if I get into Harvard or not.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: merde on October 04, 2009, 07:19:06 PM

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Correlation?? lol, just kidding.If I were you -- being from the Detroit area myself, would apply to UDM.
Hell they might even offer you a partial scholarship because your GPA is above their 75th percentile. UDM has also taken a big leap in recognition, and has always been good for placement in Detroit (a secondary market). UDM's reputation also is solid within the region. Wayne Law will place above you, but just work hard in class; the top law students from UDM are equal to the top law students at Wayne. I'm applying to UM next cycle too, and unlike 90% of their grads I'll stay in MI. That is however contingent if I get into Harvard or not.
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But it's also important to remember that detroit is detroit.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Ninja1 on October 06, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
I scored a 149 for the first time on the June 2009 LSAT.  Becauze I am pretty disappointed with my score, I am planning to take it again. 

My undergraduate GPA is 3.5 cumulative.  I have a degree in Psychology, with a minor in English and concentrations in Chemistry and Biology. 

I have been active in my fraternity with numerous positions held over the last four years on our Executive Council, and I have also served as a member of the Inter-fraternal Council.  Furthermore, I was an Orientation Student Leader and a Student Leader Liason.  I also served as a Supreme Court Justice for SGA and am a member of Omicron Delta Kappa Honor Society.  I have been involved with grassroots campaigning with the Louisiana Republican Party.  I am hoping that my extracurricular involvement will be of benefit in the application process. 

I am pursuing a Master's degree in English next year, and hoping to enter law school in the Fall of 2010.  Any advice and information would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter. 

The main schools to which I am applying are LSU, Tulane, Loyola New Orleans, Ole Miss, and SMU. 

Correlation?? lol, just kidding.If I were you -- being from the Detroit area myself, would apply to UDM.
Hell they might even offer you a partial scholarship because your GPA is above their 75th percentile. UDM has also taken a big leap in recognition, and has always been good for placement in Detroit (a secondary market). UDM's reputation also is solid within the region. Wayne Law will place above you, but just work hard in class; the top law students from UDM are equal to the top law students at Wayne. I'm applying to UM next cycle too, and unlike 90% of their grads I'll stay in MI. That is however contingent if I get into Harvard or not.

Do not go to Detroit Mercy.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: HopefullyHarvard2011 on October 07, 2009, 01:48:16 AM


Correlation?? lol, just kidding.If I were you -- being from the Detroit area myself, would apply to UDM.
Hell they might even offer you a partial scholarship because your GPA is above their 75th percentile. UDM has also taken a big leap in recognition, and has always been good for placement in Detroit (a secondary market). UDM's reputation also is solid within the region. Wayne Law will place above you, but just work hard in class; the top law students from UDM are equal to the top law students at Wayne. I'm applying to UM next cycle too, and unlike 90% of their grads I'll stay in MI. That is however contingent if I get into Harvard or not.
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But it's also important to remember that detroit is detroit.
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I don't see anything wrong with Detroit. I grew up in the nicer suburbs adjacent to Det. but I've also lived in Gainesville, FL and vacationed extensively in Costa Mesa, CA. You DON'T have to live IN Detroit, I'd recommend Troy, Grosse Point, or Bloomfield Hills (all of which are rated some of the most affluent areas in the U.S). If you were concerned about the economy... It's getting better from what I've heard from friends and family. The legal market isn't falling apart completely and I'd anticipate a full rebound by the time his schooling would be over. As for UDM, I'm not saying its an amazing school - but it's a viable option if he doesn't re-take the LSAT. From what I've heard the reputation has been strong, but I could be ill informed... I'm not sure if you're from MI, most likely yes, but what have you heard Ninja1?
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Contract2008 on October 14, 2009, 08:10:03 PM


I don't see anything wrong with Detroit. I grew up in the nicer suburbs adjacent to Det. but I've also lived in Gainesville, FL and vacationed extensively in Costa Mesa, CA. You DON'T have to live IN Detroit, I'd recommend Troy, Grosse Point, or Bloomfield Hills (all of which are rated some of the most affluent areas in the U.S). If you were concerned about the economy... It's getting better from what I've heard from friends and family. The legal market isn't falling apart completely and I'd anticipate a full rebound by the time his schooling would be over. As for UDM, I'm not saying its an amazing school - but it's a viable option if he doesn't re-take the LSAT. From what I've heard the reputation has been strong, but I could be ill informed... I'm not sure if you're from MI, most likely yes, but what have you heard Ninja1?

Are you really going to Harvard?
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: HopefullyHarvard2011 on October 15, 2009, 02:10:48 AM


I don't see anything wrong with Detroit. I grew up in the nicer suburbs adjacent to Det. but I've also lived in Gainesville, FL and vacationed extensively in Costa Mesa, CA. You DON'T have to live IN Detroit, I'd recommend Troy, Grosse Point, or Bloomfield Hills (all of which are rated some of the most affluent areas in the U.S). If you were concerned about the economy... It's getting better from what I've heard from friends and family. The legal market isn't falling apart completely and I'd anticipate a full rebound by the time his schooling would be over. As for UDM, I'm not saying its an amazing school - but it's a viable option if he doesn't re-take the LSAT. From what I've heard the reputation has been strong, but I could be ill informed... I'm not sure if you're from MI, most likely yes, but what have you heard Ninja1?

Are you really going to Harvard?

Hopefully. I'm still young and I don't intend to apply until next year probably. However, I don't like people knocking a school my sister, grandpa, uncles, and father all attended. UDM isn't that bad; my sister went to undergrad/dental school there and is doing great. The law school isn't top ranked (or even close for that matter), but for this OP it should be an option. Also, just because I strive to go to Harvard and have good numbers - doesn't mean I'm an elitist and look down upon a school that has been good to my family.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Contract2008 on October 15, 2009, 04:20:27 PM

Hopefully. I'm still young and I don't intend to apply until next year probably. However, I don't like people knocking a school my sister, grandpa, uncles, and father all attended. UDM isn't that bad; my sister went to undergrad/dental school there and is doing great. The law school isn't top ranked (or even close for that matter), but for this OP it should be an option. Also, just because I strive to go to Harvard and have good numbers - doesn't mean I'm an elitist and look down upon a school that has been good to my family.

So, why don't you get and take a full scholarship and go there.   ::)
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: HopefullyHarvard2011 on October 17, 2009, 09:42:50 PM
1. Because it wasn't my goal.
2. It's a good regional school but only because UM grads traditionally leave the state, and not many graduates come to MI. I would be an exception.
3. Wayne and UDM are close for Detroit's "law market feeder school" award. Look up Dykema & Gossett and check where their attorneys went to school. MSU usually places in Grand Rapids, and Lansing; Cooley isn't worth mentioning. ;D
4. I stand by my suggestion as UDM being a good school for MI, however I'm not naive I know other schools trump it.

Why are you so bitter towards the school?

--I'm just curious you might know something about their law school I don't; most of my family went to undergrad and other gradute school programs there.
Title: Re: With a 149 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA, what schools can I reasonably expect.
Post by: Ninja1 on October 18, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
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