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Title: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: LuLuLaw on June 26, 2009, 08:49:54 AM
I got results back from the June 2009 LSATs and it is bad: 137. I feel like a complete failure. I self-studied with Powerscore bibles and took over 12 PTs. I was expecting mid 140s. My GPA is a 3.7 from T2 selective/competitive undergrad institution. I was recently inducted into a very prestigious honor society and I know I am intelligent. This test no way speaks to my intellectual ability. However, I suck at standardized tests; I did not do well on SATs either. Needless to say, I am retaking it in September. I enrolled in a Powerscore course which starts in July. I am planning on working my butt off and getting a high 150. I need some consoling, but most importantly, is this goal realistic? :'(
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: 610man on June 26, 2009, 11:25:01 AM
Lu,

I feel your pain took about 20 pt's, and never got less than 151-163 and got a 143.  I feel you, I have a masters, taught college courses and am currently a high school teacher. So I know I have a few smarts, at least some, so I hear you. I beleive I will be successful as a lawyer and in law school, just have to improve my score and get in somewhere.  I know my score sucks and I am very disappointed, just trying to be positive.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: seclit1 on June 26, 2009, 02:03:06 PM
positive is good and all for your morale but you need to get urself into a study program/test prep course and see what is going wrong.  you need to work your ass off to raise your score by 20+ points. im not sure if ive even heard of anyone raising their score by that man points...??  ???
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: visualverificationfailure on June 26, 2009, 03:22:27 PM
I have students who have increased 15-20 points on retest. They just had no idea the first time and needed individual attention designed for their strengths and weaknesses. And cheer leading and babysitting :) But hard work can improve a score to average. Its going from average to top 5% that is harder.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: LuLuLaw on June 26, 2009, 03:56:21 PM
I have students who have increased 15-20 points on retest. They just had no idea the first time and needed individual attention designed for their strengths and weaknesses. And cheer leading and babysitting :) But hard work can improve a score to average. Its going from average to top 5% that is harder.

Thanks for the positive encouragement. I will be working hard...although I have great expectations for more than just "average". Thanks.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Prismpunk on June 27, 2009, 11:08:55 AM
I am joining the club. Took a Testmasters course from March to June and thought I knew what I was doing. I got my score back and also got a 143 and couldnt believe I did this bad. I was shocked at first and I am just going to use it as positive motivation to work my ass off the next few months and study for the September 2009 Lsat. I am down and demoralized, but not out. I think Im going to try to get a tutor this time around and I might buy more older practice tests. The problem with myself is that I deffinitely have trouble finishing all of the sections on time and I am not getting questions correct when I go through the different sections. Does anyone think I can improve my score by September?
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: heartbreaker on June 27, 2009, 07:27:08 PM
I am joining the club. Took a Testmasters course from March to June and thought I knew what I was doing. I got my score back and also got a 143 and couldnt believe I did this bad. I was shocked at first and I am just going to use it as positive motivation to work my ass off the next few months and study for the September 2009 Lsat. I am down and demoralized, but not out. I think Im going to try to get a tutor this time around and I might buy more older practice tests. The problem with myself is that I deffinitely have trouble finishing all of the sections on time and I am not getting questions correct when I go through the different sections. Does anyone think I can improve my score by September?

To be honest, it doesn't sound like you've got a particularly good grasp on either the comprehension or the timing of the LSAT, which are the two basic factors in putting together a good performance. Depending on what kind of improvement you are targeting, you might want to sign up for a class, or like you mentioned, go for private tutoring, and take as much time as you need to understand the test and figure out your timing before taking it again.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Prismpunk on June 28, 2009, 12:02:43 PM
I am joining the club. Took a Testmasters course from March to June and thought I knew what I was doing. I got my score back and also got a 143 and couldnt believe I did this bad. I was shocked at first and I am just going to use it as positive motivation to work my ass off the next few months and study for the September 2009 Lsat. I am down and demoralized, but not out. I think Im going to try to get a tutor this time around and I might buy more older practice tests. The problem with myself is that I deffinitely have trouble finishing all of the sections on time and I am not getting questions correct when I go through the different sections. Does anyone think I can improve my score by September?

To be honest, it doesn't sound like you've got a particularly good grasp on either the comprehension or the timing of the LSAT, which are the two basic factors in putting together a good performance. Depending on what kind of improvement you are targeting, you might want to sign up for a class, or like you mentioned, go for private tutoring, and take as much time as you need to understand the test and figure out your timing before taking it again.


You are pretty much absolutely correct. I know I do not have a good grasp of timing on the LSAT or a good understanding of its concepts. I am not looking for an amazing score...anything from the mid to upper 150s would be fine for me. I just dont know what I need to do to improve at this point.

I am going to sign up for another class and definitely a private tutor. I want to retake in September because I want to apply for the next cycle in Fall of 2010. I have already taken time off after college to study for this exam...so at this point I really dont know what could help me improve my score. Do you have any other advice for me?
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: big - fat - box on June 28, 2009, 12:52:03 PM
Definitely get a class AND a private tutor if you can afford it. Buy a timer. I would forget about September. 12 practice tests isn't that much. If you really did this poorly, you are going to need several months of serious preparation and are going to need to do 40 or more practice exams.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: visualverificationfailure on June 28, 2009, 02:53:19 PM
I think private tutors can help a lot. Some people are just not wired for the LSAT because they do not have a strong background in logic, math or science. A class just might not be right for you. I know I read here that private tutors cost a fortune, but with this economy, lots of people are doing it for what they would get paid--not for what a  middle man company charges. $30-50 an hour or even less with package deals.

There are telephone tutors too, so location is not important if you have a cell phone with a good plan. Part of it is teaching the LSAT, part of it is coaching and training just like it was a championship sporting event. Try to look outside the box for affordable solutions--CL,your local university, 2Ls and 3Ls who did well and need the extra $$$$$$, even practicing lawyers need some $$$ these days :)
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: LuLuLaw on June 28, 2009, 08:41:58 PM
I signed up for a class with PowerScore. Should I have opted for a personal tutor instead? Its too late to get a refund.  I self-studied and did horrible I figured to try a class this time.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: nima26 on June 29, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
Take the class.  You may do better being in a restricted enviornment AND you can ask questions.  It also helps to see other people just as confused as you.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Contract2008 on June 29, 2009, 05:01:44 PM
If you took more than 10 prep tests and still score under 140, there is a problem.  Statistically, people who do poor on LSAT have big problem passing the bar. 

I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: dashrashi on June 29, 2009, 11:32:45 PM
What, did Ricci give you a boner, so now you're wandering all over the board, trying to pick an affirmative action fight with someone, anyone?

GTFA.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: non parata est on June 30, 2009, 01:09:58 AM
I was uncomfortable with your post, until I read this:

It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is

That's beautiful.  I bet your black friend loves when you say things like that, huh?
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: LuLuLaw on June 30, 2009, 07:12:45 AM
I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

I was going to report him when I read this. It made me pretty uncomfortable too, but you are entitled to your own BS opinions and beliefs.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Ninja1 on June 30, 2009, 02:09:27 PM
If you took more than 10 prep tests and still score under 140, there is a problem.  Statistically, people who do poor on LSAT have big problem passing the bar. 

I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

Well said.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Ninja1 on June 30, 2009, 02:09:51 PM
Also, poll is missing an option.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Jamie Stringer on June 30, 2009, 02:13:43 PM
If you took more than 10 prep tests and still score under 140, there is a problem.  Statistically, people who do poor on LSAT have big problem passing the bar. 

I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

Well said.


Huh, interesting you say so.  I found it rather poorly argued, especially for a law student.  There's a flaw or two in there, but I'll leave it for those studying for the LSAT to find.  It's like a real life example of a LR flaw stimulus.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Contract2008 on June 30, 2009, 05:03:30 PM
I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

I was going to report him when I read this. It made me pretty uncomfortable too, but you are entitled to your own BS opinions and beliefs.

Report what?  What I have read?  That people with low LSAT generally have problem passing the bar? 

Do some research. 
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: thorc954 on June 30, 2009, 05:21:47 PM
did read through the whole post.  Just wanted to say, not all hope is lost. When I was practicing, I started around 152 and brought my score up to a 167 (ended up a little lower on the real test, but there were extenuating circumstances).  Just needed to read through a few books and learn a few skills.  If all you were doing is taking practice test, I cannot imagine you were actually learning anything.  Unlike the SAT, the LSAT isnt about memorizing.  You need to actually learn how to take the test itself.  I hope for you that a prep course will get you in the right direction.  And, if you do not get the score that you wont, dont let it bring you down.  I didnt end up with the one I wanted (really would have loved low 170s), had the lowest lsat score of any of the admits to my school (based on lawschoolnumbers data for non-URMs), and finished at the top of my class in law school.  It can be done.  This test doesnt define you.  It is important, but you can learn the material and improve.  Just need to focus your attention on the right thing.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: LuLuLaw on June 30, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
did read through the whole post.  Just wanted to say, not all hope is lost. When I was practicing, I started around 152 and brought my score up to a 167 (ended up a little lower on the real test, but there were extenuating circumstances).  Just needed to read through a few books and learn a few skills.  If all you were doing is taking practice test, I cannot imagine you were actually learning anything.  Unlike the SAT, the LSAT isnt about memorizing.  You need to actually learn how to take the test itself.  I hope for you that a prep course will get you in the right direction.  And, if you do not get the score that you wont, dont let it bring you down.  I didnt end up with the one I wanted (really would have loved low 170s), had the lowest lsat score of any of the admits to my school (based on lawschoolnumbers data for non-URMs), and finished at the top of my class in law school.  It can be done.  This test doesnt define you.  It is important, but you can learn the material and improve.  Just need to focus your attention on the right thing.

Great advice. Very positive! I will take it. I wish all replys could be this informative, encouraging, and positive. Instead of negative, ignorant, and racist. THANKS A BUNCH! :-)
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: LuLuLaw on June 30, 2009, 06:06:48 PM
Also, poll is missing an option.

Where there is a will there is a way. NO is never an option. Optimism prevails even when naysayers like you exist.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: LuLuLaw on June 30, 2009, 06:09:48 PM
I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

Report what?  What I have read?  That people with low LSAT generally have problem passing the bar? 

Do some research. 


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Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: new2law on June 30, 2009, 07:23:06 PM
Study hard and you should do fine. Remember even a modest increase is a step in the right direction.  ;)
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Contract2008 on June 30, 2009, 07:29:56 PM
did read through the whole post.  Just wanted to say, not all hope is lost. When I was practicing, I started around 152 and brought my score up to a 167 (ended up a little lower on the real test, but there were extenuating circumstances).  Just needed to read through a few books and learn a few skills.  If all you were doing is taking practice test, I cannot imagine you were actually learning anything.  Unlike the SAT, the LSAT isnt about memorizing.  You need to actually learn how to take the test itself.  I hope for you that a prep course will get you in the right direction.  And, if you do not get the score that you wont, dont let it bring you down.  I didnt end up with the one I wanted (really would have loved low 170s), had the lowest lsat score of any of the admits to my school (based on lawschoolnumbers data for non-URMs), and finished at the top of my class in law school.  It can be done.  This test doesnt define you.  It is important, but you can learn the material and improve.  Just need to focus your attention on the right thing.

Great advice. Very positive! I will take it. I wish all replys could be this informative, encouraging, and positive. Instead of negative, ignorant, and racist. THANKS A BUNCH! :-)

These pre-1Ls with low scores are so naive.   ;D
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 30, 2009, 07:34:24 PM
I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

I was going to report him when I read this. It made me pretty uncomfortable too, but you are entitled to your own BS opinions and beliefs.

Report what?  What I have read?  That people with low LSAT generally have problem passing the bar? 

Do some research. 


To the reporters who may have been offended by this statement, I'm not going to ban this user for expressing this opinion, however fundamentally flawed this user's logic may be.





That being said...until you pass the bar, you might want to avoid speculation.  As a threshold matter, you might be surprised to know that the bar exam actually has very little to do with law school at all.  Thus, it is difficult to imagine how one's admission into law school holds any relevance to passing the bar exam.  

As a black student who has passed two bar exams on the first try (one of those being the infamous New York), I can tell you that passing or failing the bar has nothing to do with affirmative action (where do you guys get these ideas from anyway, Richard Sander?), and everything to do with preparedness, endurance, financial support during the entire study period and adequate bar prep resources.  In other words, all of the things that have nothing to do with law school, and especially have nothing to do with how you were admitted into law school.

Moreover, the proposition that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try due to affirmative action is further debunked when one introduces the fact that blacks at HBCU law schools, where there is no affirmative action, pass the bar exam at significantly lower numbers than do blacks who were admitted to Tier 1 law schools either with or without affirmative action.






Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Contract2008 on June 30, 2009, 07:47:46 PM
I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

I was going to report him when I read this. It made me pretty uncomfortable too, but you are entitled to your own BS opinions and beliefs.

Report what?  What I have read?  That people with low LSAT generally have problem passing the bar? 

Do some research. 


To the reporters who may have been offended by this statement, I'm not going to ban this user for expressing this opinion, however fundamentally flawed this user's logic may be.
 

I didn't say it.  I wouldn't know.  Study and stats say it.   





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Moreover, the proposition that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try due to affirmative action is further debunked when one introduces the fact that blacks at HBCU law schools, where there is no affirmative action, pass the bar exam at significantly lower numbers than do blacks who were admitted to Tier 1 law schools either with or without affirmative action.

The study is once again correct.  Blacks at HBCU law schools (ALL tier 3 and tier 4) will most definately have lower numbers than Tier 1 blacks/whites/whatever.  This once again proves the point that what I've stated ealier "It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam." 
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: new2law on June 30, 2009, 08:02:15 PM
some people just want an excuse to scream discrimination even if the person saying it is in the same group that they are. I tried a post stateing facts too, people dont want to hear it. Just accept it. That's why I wont even try anymore. Just move on man.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Jamie Stringer on June 30, 2009, 08:28:44 PM
some people just want an excuse to scream discrimination even if the person saying it is in the same group that they are. I tried a post stateing facts too, people dont want to hear it. Just accept it. That's why I wont even try anymore. Just move on man.

Your post was hot garbage.  Live with it.


I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

Studies and stats say that affirmative action leads to blacks not passing the bar on their first try?  Or was your language just clumsy and you meant to say that studies and stats show that low scorers on the LSAT don't pass the bar on their first try (which you tried to toss in at the end, but the first two lines say something altogether different)?  Moreover, why exactly do you think LSAT score has anything to do with the skills on the bar exam?  From what I understand of the bar from friends, there's a lot of memorization and writing involved, which is precisely not what the LSAT is.

If anything, you may have shown a correlation, but there are plenty of other causes (as Sands pointed out in his post) that could be the reason why certain groups may not perform as well on a test.


Moreover, the proposition that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try due to affirmative action is further debunked when one introduces the fact that blacks at HBCU law schools, where there is no affirmative action, pass the bar exam at significantly lower numbers than do blacks who were admitted to Tier 1 law schools either with or without affirmative action.

The study is once again correct.  Blacks at HBCU law schools (ALL tier 3 and tier 4) will most definately have lower numbers than Tier 1 blacks/whites/whatever.  This once again proves the point that what I've stated ealier "It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam." 

Again, this is the other argument and you seemed to be making two arguments in your first post.  You didn't say just that low-scorers on the LSAT do poorly, you also said that most blacks don't pass the bar on the first try "due to affirmative action..."  In your haste to make an argument about affirmative action, you muddled the issues in your post.  Sorry for ya!
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: new2law on June 30, 2009, 08:32:17 PM
Yeah your right there never were votes or new laws made in michigan or california it was all some homeless guys acid trip caught on utube. Thats why I asked this guy to stop talking about stuff like it. Voting, laws, hogwash!

Your post was hot garbage.  Live with it.

Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Contract2008 on June 30, 2009, 08:32:52 PM
Wow, some of you are so racist and "racially aware" that you would find anything to have the opprotunity to scream "RACISM!"  
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Ninja1 on July 01, 2009, 04:23:55 AM
Wow, some of you are so racist and "racially aware" that you would find anything to have the opprotunity to scream "RACISM!"  

This is right.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Ninja1 on July 01, 2009, 04:28:47 AM
Also, poll is missing an option.

Where there is a will there is a way. NO is never an option. Optimism prevails even when naysayers like you exist.

No is, in fact, an option almost all of the time. Here, it's even a fair probability. I'm not saying I would have necessarily picked "no", but if you're really trying to get an accurate measure of what a bunch of strangers on the internet think about your future, "no" should be on there.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: thorc954 on July 01, 2009, 05:52:10 AM
did read through the whole post.  Just wanted to say, not all hope is lost. When I was practicing, I started around 152 and brought my score up to a 167 (ended up a little lower on the real test, but there were extenuating circumstances).  Just needed to read through a few books and learn a few skills.  If all you were doing is taking practice test, I cannot imagine you were actually learning anything.  Unlike the SAT, the LSAT isnt about memorizing.  You need to actually learn how to take the test itself.  I hope for you that a prep course will get you in the right direction.  And, if you do not get the score that you wont, dont let it bring you down.  I didnt end up with the one I wanted (really would have loved low 170s), had the lowest lsat score of any of the admits to my school (based on lawschoolnumbers data for non-URMs), and finished at the top of my class in law school.  It can be done.  This test doesnt define you.  It is important, but you can learn the material and improve.  Just need to focus your attention on the right thing.

Great advice. Very positive! I will take it. I wish all replys could be this informative, encouraging, and positive. Instead of negative, ignorant, and racist. THANKS A BUNCH! :-)

These pre-1Ls with low scores are so naive.   ;D

It's not naivety, it is just a realization on his/her part that something was wrong with his/her study technique and that an LSAT score can be improved, even drastically, with a proper study routine.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on July 01, 2009, 07:49:25 AM
I read it somewhere that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try.  This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted.  It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam.  Keep in mind that if you fail the bar exam twice, that's a whole year of time passed, since the bar is offered twice a year. 

I was going to report him when I read this. It made me pretty uncomfortable too, but you are entitled to your own BS opinions and beliefs.

Report what?  What I have read?  That people with low LSAT generally have problem passing the bar? 

Do some research. 


To the reporters who may have been offended by this statement, I'm not going to ban this user for expressing this opinion, however fundamentally flawed this user's logic may be.
 

I didn't say it.  I wouldn't know.  Study and stats say it.   



Then it's probably best to phrase it that way, as in "Source _____ states that this is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted," as opposed to "This is due to affirmative action where low LSAT blacks are being admitted."  Since the latter does not reference a source, the implication is that this is your argument that you have concluded on your own.  And maybe that is your argument, which is fine, but don't be surprised if people expect you to personally defend it.



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Moreover, the proposition that most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try due to affirmative action is further debunked when one introduces the fact that blacks at HBCU law schools, where there is no affirmative action, pass the bar exam at significantly lower numbers than do blacks who were admitted to Tier 1 law schools either with or without affirmative action.

The study is once again correct.  Blacks at HBCU law schools (ALL tier 3 and tier 4) will most definately have lower numbers than Tier 1 blacks/whites/whatever.  This once again proves the point that what I've stated ealier "It doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, if you do poorly on the LSAT, chance are you will have problem passing the bar exam." 



Even if what you say above is true, it lends no support whatsoever for the following proposition made by you: "most blacks don't pass the bar on their first try...[t]his is due to affirmative action."  Your original culprit for low bar passage among blacks was affirmative action, then at the end of the argument the culprit becomes LSAT scores.  So which is it?



To the OP, Sorry for the hijack.

We can continue this debate in the Affirmative Action thread if you like.
Title: Re: I got a 137 on my LSATs. I'm bummed...should have cancelled.
Post by: LuLuLaw on July 01, 2009, 09:15:11 AM
Also, poll is missing an option.

Where there is a will there is a way. NO is never an option. Optimism prevails even when naysayers like you exist.

No is, in fact, an option almost all of the time. Here, it's even a fair probability. I'm not saying I would have necessarily picked "no", but if you're really trying to get an accurate measure of what a bunch of strangers on the internet think about your future, "no" should be on there.

I understand.