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Title: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: I Hate Law School on June 12, 2009, 08:38:10 AM
Started off at a 4th tier and finished my 1L year in the top 10% of my class. Transferred to a 1st tier and I absolutely hate it!!!  I went from being in the top 10% to the lowest quintile.  How does that happen?!?  It's not even like the students at my new school are that much more intelligent than everyone at my old school, or me for that matter.  I'm doing the same f-ing thing now as I did my 1L year, but I can't seem to get above a B+ now.  I go into every exam knowing EVERYTHING I need to know, but I end up getting Cs and Bs. My f-ing GPA is now down to a 2.74.  Who the F is going to hire me once I graduate - top tier school or not.  I wish I had stayed at the 4th tier school, at least I would have kept some of my dignity... 

Also, top tier students are so f-ing annoying, they think they're soooo smart and so much better than everyone.  Almost every student I've come in contact with at this 1st tier school has little to no personality.  I just want to graduate and get the f out.  I'll never talk to any of these piece of crap students, and this school will never see a dime of my money.  Hell, I'd give money to the 4th tier school before I gave it to the school I'm at now. 

I was so excited when I got my acceptance letter as a trasnfer student. Top tier school, in-state tuition, better job opportunities, etc. etc.  Well, it's all bull.  I'd rather be at a 4th tier school getting A's and surrounding myself with down-to-earth people than be in my current situation. F-ing hindsight is 20/20.

Needed to vent.  For those of you that made it through this manifesto, hopefully some of you will feel my pain.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: M_Cool on June 12, 2009, 10:07:44 AM
Hopefully you at least got something from OCI before your grades tanked so hard.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: Diet Yomajesty on June 12, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
Ouch. I'm really sorry you're hating your situation. It's decent of you to share your story, though - not many people talk about the potential downsides of transferring. Best of luck to you. I hope you find some cooler people to hang out with next year.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on June 12, 2009, 03:08:40 PM
Sorry to hear that.  I also want to thank you for showing us another side of transferring that many of us never consider. 
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: RobWreck on June 12, 2009, 03:11:00 PM
If you're so unhappy, why don't you transfer back to your T4 school for your 3rd year? I'd imagine that they'd take you back...
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: M_Cool on June 12, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
Uh you can't transfer after your first year.  He could go be a visiting student though I guess.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: goaliechica on June 12, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
Uh you can't transfer after your first year.  He could go be a visiting student though I guess.

 ???

I know someone who transferred for just her third year. Definitely transferred. She isn't going to be a visiting student.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: jacy85 on June 12, 2009, 04:42:16 PM
Uh you can't transfer after your first year.  He could go be a visiting student though I guess.

 ???

I know someone who transferred for just her third year. Definitely transferred. She isn't going to be a visiting student.

Hmmm...not possible?  Every school that I've ever head of requires at least 2 years worth of credits in order to issue a diploma.  It's pretty standard. Was she doing a joint degree program? 
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: Naked Promise on June 12, 2009, 06:29:12 PM
Uh you can't transfer after your first year.  He could go be a visiting student though I guess.

 ???

I know someone who transferred for just her third year. Definitely transferred. She isn't going to be a visiting student.

Hmmm...not possible?  Every school that I've ever head of requires at least 2 years worth of credits in order to issue a diploma.  It's pretty standard. Was she doing a joint degree program? 

My first thought is that it probably wouldn't happen, but in the OP's case I could almost see them making an exception. Most schools require that you have 2 years worth of residency credits to graduate at the school. If the OP went back, he/she would have that. Again, it's probably unlikely, but ya never know...
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: jacy85 on June 13, 2009, 05:39:18 AM
That is true for the OP - he/she would end up with 2 years.  I can't remember now, but the only catch there could be if the school required 2 consecutive years.  I remember the general 2 year policy, but now can't remember anything more specific than that.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: Advocate on June 13, 2009, 06:09:34 AM
You see things like this in high school sports when a small county track champion goes to a big state meet and finishes towards the back of the pack.  Why don't you just take a bunch of easy writing classes or seminars during your 3L year. You could inflate your GPA, and the classes should not be so stressful.  I mean, really . . . do gunners take Law and Literature?
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: vap on June 13, 2009, 08:39:26 AM
I mean, really . . . do gunners take Law and Literature?

The super gunners are the ones who plan their schedules around which classes are easier / off the curve.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: new2law on June 13, 2009, 10:14:50 AM
Which schools were involoved? Are you still at either?
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: M_Cool on June 13, 2009, 01:01:50 PM
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The super gunners are the ones who plan their schedules around which classes are easier / off the curve.

Right, because gunners are so worried about competition.  Most thrive on it.  Moreover, I'm sure they're going to want classes like Law & Lit on their schedule when they're applying for prestigious clerkships (where they actually DO scrutinize your schedule).
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: goaliechica on June 15, 2009, 12:52:06 PM
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The super gunners are the ones who plan their schedules around which classes are easier / off the curve.

Right, because gunners are so worried about competition.  Most thrive on it.  Moreover, I'm sure they're going to want classes like Law & Lit on their schedule when they're applying for prestigious clerkships (where they actually DO scrutinize your schedule).

As someone who actually took Law & Lit, it was actually one of the more rigorous classes I had that semester. It was seriously a ton of work. I'm just saying  :P
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: gershonw on June 15, 2009, 01:19:29 PM
Uh you can't transfer after your first year.  He could go be a visiting student though I guess.

 ???

I know someone who transferred for just her third year. Definitely transferred. She isn't going to be a visiting student.

Hmmm...not possible?  Every school that I've ever head of requires at least 2 years worth of credits in order to issue a diploma.  It's pretty standard. Was she doing a joint degree program? 

so jacy- how many academic requirmeent rule books have you been through besides your own school's and maybe one or two others?

i think your genreally you are right.  but diffrent schools have diffrent rules about counting summers and counting 5 sems plus summers and waivers etc... Further, you could, as pointed out, take your first year, tranfer to a 2d school, then tranfer back to your first school...which would give you 2 years at the first school.

you tend to make judgements about "what youve heard of" a lot..such as my jurisdiction having rules for early determination of character and fitness (which although they aknowledge exist..have told me not to invoke becuase they would rather not follow their own rules).  I recall you telling me that "youd never heard of that" before either.  despite the fact that 
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: M_Cool on June 15, 2009, 04:04:44 PM
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As someone who actually took Law & Lit, it was actually one of the more rigorous classes I had that semester. It was seriously a ton of work. I'm just saying  Tongue

I actually think it sounds interesting & I'm sure it is a lot of work.  One of the most renowned profs at my school is teaching it and I'm sure he throws out a *&^% ton of reading because that's how he is.  One more reason not to take it:)
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: StevePirates on June 15, 2009, 04:47:51 PM
I'm in Law & Lit, and Jurisprudence.  There are a few people in the class banking on "easy grades" to try and hit "cum laude" or "magna".  There is a lot of reading, as one might expect.  I like the classes.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: new2law on June 15, 2009, 07:36:24 PM
which class would you guys say was the hardest/easiest?
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: nealric on June 15, 2009, 07:58:08 PM
This isn't a T1/T4 issue, but simply a matter of you choosing a school that didn't suit you. Sorry  :-\

FWIW, I enjoy my classmates.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: NeverTrustKlingons on June 15, 2009, 10:38:46 PM
This isn't a T1/T4 issue

Concur.  I met many more egotistical, unrealistic blowhards at the third tier than I have met at the T14.  Your mileage may vary, of course.  It is the case that students throughout the tiers have different concerns and gripes, e.g. getting $160k vs. getting a legal job at all vs. getting a job at all.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: I Hate Law School on June 16, 2009, 05:47:53 PM
You see things like this in high school sports when a small county track champion goes to a big state meet and finishes towards the back of the pack.  Why don't you just take a bunch of easy writing classes or seminars during your 3L year. You could inflate your GPA, and the classes should not be so stressful.  I mean, really . . . do gunners take Law and Literature?


This may be the case. Good analogy. I'm not, however, the type of person who is going to take easy classes just for the sake of boosting my GPA. I'm focusing on corporate law, and I would argue that a lot of those courses are the toughest.  Next semester I'll be taking Secured Transactions, Banking Law and Regulation, Business Aquisitions, and Corporate Income Tax. Those arn't the types of classes one would take in an effort to boost their GPA.  There's a tax clinic at my current school, and someone actually advised me to take it because it's the easiest A I'll ever receive.  I'm not going that route, though, because I don't want to be a copout.

Everyone is right, my current school isn't the right fit for me.  There are inherent benefits to transferring, no doubt I've enjoyed some of those benefits.  But in hindsight, I should have stayed at my former school.  I probably would've been happier. 

Glad I could shed some of the "negative" light on transferring.

Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: big - fat - box on June 16, 2009, 06:19:25 PM
I would ditch the corporate classes b/c

They are hard.

They are boring.

You have little chance of getting a job in corporate law unless you want to work at a small firm that does work for small business type clients. Given the current economic climate, this might not even be feasible.

Honestly if I were in your position I would try as hard as I could to boost the GPA during my last year, even if that means taking a clinic that counts for a ton of credits and has easy grading or taking a few fluff classes. Most of the employers that are likely to hire you aren't going to be scrutinizing your transcript. I would try to get that GPA as close to 3.0 as possible.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: vap on June 17, 2009, 06:02:09 PM
Regardless of grading, a clinic would likely look much better to employers and provide you with more real-world experience than some random business-type doctrinal class.  You can learn corporate tax by reading a 30-page outline.  You can't learn life experience by reading a book or being lectured to.
Title: Re: I HATE MY SITUATION!!!
Post by: big - fat - box on June 17, 2009, 06:52:37 PM
Agreed. Clinics can provide good work experience, especially if you are headed to a small firm or DA/PD office. Plus, if you are down about your grades getting away from the classroom may be a good thing.

However, if you are a rising 3L it may be too late to apply for the clinics. If so, your best option is to sign up for an externship for credit if your school allows that. If that doesn't work, I would seriously consider reworking my schedule to free up blocks of time so that I could do some kind of unpaid internship part-time, 2-3 days a week.

Bad/mediocre grades in a specialty that is in the toilet because of the economy aren't going to help you find employment after graduation.

Regardless of grading, a clinic would likely look much better to employers and provide you with more real-world experience than some random business-type doctrinal class.  You can learn corporate tax by reading a 30-page outline.  You can't learn life experience by reading a book or being lectured to.