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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: bigs5068 on May 12, 2009, 10:09:25 PM

Title: Florida International University
Post by: bigs5068 on May 12, 2009, 10:09:25 PM
I was just admitted here and I have been planning on going to MSU, but seeing how much cheaper FIU will be has me interested.  I still don't know very much about the school and I wondered if anyone had visited or knew anything about the school.  The internet seems to have very mixed reviews and I would just like the opinion of anyone who is attending or visited the school. 
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Jessicastorm on May 13, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
I graduated from FIU undergrad, but lived near the law school (a pretty new giant building) and some of the people in my residence hall went to the law school and had their own little group there...

...From what they had told me, the school is new, but it isn't clueless. The school leads the state in bar passage rate, and last year it came in 2nd. It has been around for six years, but has the highest passage rate, while FAMU (another T4) has been around longer, but has the lowest rate in the state. So the school is ambitious. The kids in my building said the school had a good job placement rate in the Miami/South Florida area, but according to this article http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/schools/sfl-fiu-bar-exams-p042609pnapr27,0,6247943.story they're placing graduates, but not right after graduation.

Out of the T4 schools, I like it because of the same reasons I picked it for undergrad. It was in a big city, and diverse with a focus on international affairs, which could help you in finding a job or internship with an international company. Also good for comparative/international law. Networking is big there, and they have a large alumni group.

The school is beautiful, close proximity to a lot of places, and the people were always nice. My professors were always helpful and open. The downside is that even though FIU is big, it's still somewhat of a commuter school, and people who didn't live on campus didn't have a lot of school spirit. Also, because of state budget cuts, FIU is also cutting programs (even though the university is growing). They want to be up there with UF and FSU, but they don't understand that if they keep cutting things, they'll never get there. And Miami can be kind of expensive too.

It's one of the schools I'm planning on applying to, and it's a back-up if I don't get into my top choices. I loved my time there.

Hope I could help.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Ninja1 on May 13, 2009, 05:13:10 PM
FIU. Far from the best school in Florida, but cheap and respectable enough. And it's in Florida, which totally beats the *&^% out of Michigan.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: The Harvard Guy on May 14, 2009, 12:36:51 PM
I don't know where MSU is ranked, but if it's higher than FIU (I believe it is), go to MSU.  FIU is a brand new law school.  I'm from Miami and know a lot about it and about FIU the school (I had friends and family attend there).  It's probably better to go to a more established and higher-ranked school than FIU.  Bar passage rates are misleading because, after all, passing the bar depends on how much you study for it and whether you apply yourself.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: bigs5068 on May 15, 2009, 06:43:13 AM
MSU is ranked higher, but it is still tier 3.  The tuition at FIU is what has me most interested.  If I can get residency which I am told by the school I can I will only pay 9,000 and some change in tuition for the last two years. However, if FIU has a bad rap I would rather go to MSU I would love to hear more thoughts on both schools if anyone else has more advice. 
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: FortheDefense on May 15, 2009, 07:57:49 AM
I was just admitted here and I have been planning on going to MSU, but seeing how much cheaper FIU will be has me interested.  I still don't know very much about the school and I wondered if anyone had visited or knew anything about the school.  The internet seems to have very mixed reviews and I would just like the opinion of anyone who is attending or visited the school. 

FIU is definitely on the map now athletic wise. It is getting alot of attention because they just hired Isaiah Thomas as their head basketball coach.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: The Harvard Guy on May 15, 2009, 08:33:41 AM
While FIU may be getting attention athletic-wise, its law school is what's at issue here.  If it were me, I'd go to MSU.  FIU still has ways to go.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: bigs5068 on May 15, 2009, 10:53:14 AM
Well I am a 6'8 center who played in college and has a year of eligiblity left. Maybe Isiah can use me for one year and I can be the first D1 athlete/law student.   It is law school  though and I don't know how important Isiah's hiring is to my law career.  It is cool he is there though.  Thankfully I got a bit more time to decide, if anybody has any more articles/info regarding either school I would love to hear it.  Or if anyone knows any current students or alumni at either school it would be cool to get there e-mails.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Contract2008 on May 15, 2009, 11:18:20 AM
While FIU may be getting attention athletic-wise, its law school is what's at issue here.  If it were me, I'd go to MSU.  FIU still has ways to go.

If you want to be in South Florida and nowhere else, go to FIU. If you're want someplace else, go to MSU, considering the cost difference is not that significant.

How much more are you going to be in debt comparing SMU to FIU?   Where do you want/need to be after graduation? 
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Contract2008 on May 15, 2009, 11:22:18 AM

...From what they had told me, the school is new, but it isn't clueless. The school leads the state in bar passage rate, and last year it came in 2nd. It has been around for six years, but has the highest passage rate, while FAMU (another T4) has been around longer, but has the lowest rate in the state. So the school is ambitious.

That's like saying, my uncle's restaurant is very high class because its food is considered better quality than Burger King and its dinning room is better McDonald's. 



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Out of the T4 schools, I like it because of the same reasons I picked it for undergrad. It was in a big city, and diverse with a focus on international affairs, which could help you in finding a job or internship with an international company. Also good for comparative/international law. Networking is big there, and they have a large alumni group.

This is clearly the advice from someone who's not a law student (for more than two years) or a lawyer, so just ignore it.  If you're a 2L/3L or an attorney, you will see how naive that statement is. 
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Contract2008 on May 15, 2009, 11:25:34 AM
FIU. Far from the best school in Florida, but cheap and respectable enough. And it's in Florida, which totally beats the poo out of Michigan.

If the original poster wants to end up in Atlanta or Texas, MSU would clearly be a better choice.  Three years go by really fast and you're attending law school and going on vacation.  This, ofcourse, is based on no significant cost differences. 
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: bigs5068 on May 15, 2009, 11:54:31 AM
I could think of worse places to end up than Miami and the debt is what scares me the most about MSU.  MSU is around 30,000 a year so 90,000 in tuition alone at MSU where FIU will be 24,000 for 1L then 9,000 for second and third year so it is literally half the cost .  If FIU has a decent reputation and people find employment from there I will probably attend. I had a full ride to La Verne, but they are not even improved and their bar passage rates and attrition were horrible so I couldn't go there.  FIU's numbers look a lot better than La Verne, but I still  weary of a tier 4 school.

Regarding where I want to work  at the moment ideally I would like to go into JAG or work for the federal government at some level.  I don't know which school would be better for that.  I appreciate people's responses regarding MSU or FIU thanks.   
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: lovelyjj on May 15, 2009, 01:49:12 PM
I have a quick question. I have been accepted by U of Miami, Florida Coastal and FIU. Both Costal and FIU have offered me over $30,000 scholarship. Should I still choose Miami over these schools. Money is a really big concern for me. I know the rankings matter a lot but still thats a lot of money. Do graduates from these schools really do a lot worse than the ones from UMiami? Can someone who is knowledgeable (about Miami and these schools, location, quality of life etc) answer my question? Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Ninja1 on May 16, 2009, 01:12:04 AM
I have a quick question. I have been accepted by U of Miami, Florida Coastal and FIU. Both Costal and FIU have offered me over $30,000 scholarship. Should I still choose Miami over these schools. Money is a really big concern for me. I know the rankings matter a lot but still thats a lot of money. Do graduates from these schools really do a lot worse than the ones from UMiami? Can someone who is knowledgeable (about Miami and these schools, location, quality of life etc) answer my question? Thank you in advance.

Miami.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Ninja1 on May 16, 2009, 01:14:11 AM
FIU. Far from the best school in Florida, but cheap and respectable enough. And it's in Florida, which totally beats the poo out of Michigan.

If the original poster wants to end up in Atlanta or Texas, MSU would clearly be a better choice.  Three years go by really fast and you're attending law school and going on vacation.  This, ofcourse, is based on no significant cost differences. 

If cost were the same, MSU would win in my book. However, FIU is an absurdly cheap law school and I don't feel that can possibly be overstated when comparing the two.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: bigs5068 on May 16, 2009, 09:06:19 AM
Yea that is what has really caught my attention is the 9,000 dollar a year tuition.  I just want to be sure the campus is in a good part of Miami and has a reputable program.  I at least now MSU is a popular school if nothing else for their affilation in the Big 10 and that East Lansing will be a safe comfortable town except for the intense cold.  Still at a crossroads, but I am beginning to lean towards FIU.   
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Contract2008 on May 16, 2009, 09:08:24 AM
FIU. Far from the best school in Florida, but cheap and respectable enough. And it's in Florida, which totally beats the poo out of Michigan.

If the original poster wants to end up in Atlanta or Texas, MSU would clearly be a better choice.  Three years go by really fast and you're attending law school and going on vacation.  This, ofcourse, is based on no significant cost differences. 

If cost were the same, MSU would win in my book. However, FIU is an absurdly cheap law school and I don't feel that can possibly be overstated when comparing the two.

This can be a hard one.  5 years ago, when the economy and the legal market were doing well, FIU might be good.  But, there is so much competition in South Florida.  All the big law jobs go to the Ivy graduates who want to be in South Florida or thos top 10% kids from UF/FSU/UM.  Mid law goes to top 20% of UF/FSU/UM kids.  Small law firm jobs that pay less than 50K go to top 50% of UF/FSU/UM kids and some go to top students from Nova, FIU, and St. Thomas kids.  What's left?  If you're at the middle of the class at FIU, chance are, you won't be employed for a long time after graduation as an attorney if ever.  

Is MSU much better?  No.  It's only slightly better.  But, it has a "national" name and someone graduated from there might still have a chance at small firms in Atlanta/Texas/TN, etc., but someone from FIU, don't count on it, because virtually no one has heard of that school outside of Florida.  
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: bigs5068 on May 16, 2009, 10:59:23 AM
That's my predicament I guess is MSU that much better than FIU.  I mean it will end up costing 60,000 or so more dollars.  I would love it if some of my waitlists came through then this decision would be so much easier.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: iahurricane on May 16, 2009, 12:05:39 PM
Yea that is what has really caught my attention is the 9,000 dollar a year tuition.  I just want to be sure the campus is in a good part of Miami and has a reputable program.  I at least now MSU is a popular school if nothing else for their affilation in the Big 10 and that East Lansing will be a safe comfortable town except for the intense cold.  Still at a crossroads, but I am beginning to lean towards FIU.   

Don't be too amused by the low tuition, there is a reason for that. Phoenix Law school is in a great city as well, I'm sure they would throw 100% tuition at you if a low cost T-4 is what you are looking for. MSU is the second law school of choice in their state, while FIU comes after Miami, UF, FSU, Stetson, and all those Ivey League schools who seems to send a lot of their graduates to Miami.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: iahurricane on May 16, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
I was just admitted here and I have been planning on going to MSU, but seeing how much cheaper FIU will be has me interested.  I still don't know very much about the school and I wondered if anyone had visited or knew anything about the school.  The internet seems to have very mixed reviews and I would just like the opinion of anyone who is attending or visited the school. 

FIU is definitely on the map now athletic wise. It is getting alot of attention because they just hired Isaiah Thomas as their head basketball coach.

They are not on the map athletic wise. Their team will still suck a$$ in every sport, doesn't matter who their coach is.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Contract2008 on May 16, 2009, 01:20:31 PM
Yea that is what has really caught my attention is the 9,000 dollar a year tuition.  I just want to be sure the campus is in a good part of Miami and has a reputable program.  I at least now MSU is a popular school if nothing else for their affilation in the Big 10 and that East Lansing will be a safe comfortable town except for the intense cold.  Still at a crossroads, but I am beginning to lean towards FIU.   

Don't be too amused by the low tuition, there is a reason for that. Phoenix Law school is in a great city as well, I'm sure they would throw 100% tuition at you if a low cost T-4 is what you are looking for. MSU is the second law school of choice in their state, while FIU comes after Miami, UF, FSU, Stetson, and all those Ivey League schools who seems to send a lot of their graduates to Miami.

What you said above is some what or mostly true, but $60K more for MSU? 

What I want to know is why did the original poster not apply to University of Mississippi, University of Arkansas, South Carolina University, and Texas Tech?  If you can get into MSU, you have a chance at any of those four. 
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Jessicastorm on May 16, 2009, 11:13:20 PM

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Out of the T4 schools, I like it because of the same reasons I picked it for undergrad. It was in a big city, and diverse with a focus on international affairs, which could help you in finding a job or internship with an international company. Also good for comparative/international law. Networking is big there, and they have a large alumni group.

This is clearly the advice from someone who's not a law student (for more than two years) or a lawyer, so just ignore it.  If you're a 2L/3L or an attorney, you will see how naive that statement is. 
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But I never said anything about law employment opportunities. I said international. I don't think it's naive. It's true and I took advantage of it while I was there. It is a school that places emphasis on international affairs, and goes out of its way to give students a chance to take advantage of employment opportunities that have an international angle.

It has nothing to do with being a 2L, 3L, 4L, 5L, or a lawyer. It has to do with what the school had to offer, and since I attended the school and took advantage of it, I was just giving my opinion. No other assumptions.
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Contract2008 on May 16, 2009, 11:52:13 PM

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Out of the T4 schools, I like it because of the same reasons I picked it for undergrad. It was in a big city, and diverse with a focus on international affairs, which could help you in finding a job or internship with an international company. Also good for comparative/international law. Networking is big there, and they have a large alumni group.

This is clearly the advice from someone who's not a law student (for more than two years) or a lawyer, so just ignore it.  If you're a 2L/3L or an attorney, you will see how naive that statement is. 

But I never said anything about law employment opportunities. I said international. I don't think it's naive. It's true and I took advantage of it while I was there. It is a school that places emphasis on international affairs, and goes out of its way to give students a chance to take advantage of employment opportunities that have an international angle.

It has nothing to do with being a 2L, 3L, 4L, 5L, or a lawyer. It has to do with what the school had to offer, and since I attended the school and took advantage of it, I was just giving my opinion. No other assumptions.
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People who cares about the "experience" of some internship that will not lead to any job is just naive. 

After reading what you wrote, some naive pre-law kids are going to think "hey, maybe if I attend FIU, I will be doing international law at some international firm right after I graduate from FIU law." 
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: iahurricane on May 17, 2009, 05:28:57 AM

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Out of the T4 schools, I like it because of the same reasons I picked it for undergrad. It was in a big city, and diverse with a focus on international affairs, which could help you in finding a job or internship with an international company. Also good for comparative/international law. Networking is big there, and they have a large alumni group.

This is clearly the advice from someone who's not a law student (for more than two years) or a lawyer, so just ignore it.  If you're a 2L/3L or an attorney, you will see how naive that statement is. 

But I never said anything about law employment opportunities. I said international. I don't think it's naive. It's true and I took advantage of it while I was there. It is a school that places emphasis on international affairs, and goes out of its way to give students a chance to take advantage of employment opportunities that have an international angle.

It has nothing to do with being a 2L, 3L, 4L, 5L, or a lawyer. It has to do with what the school had to offer, and since I attended the school and took advantage of it, I was just giving my opinion. No other assumptions.
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Are there a lot of 5L's at FIU?
Title: Re: Florida International University
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 03:17:28 PM

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Out of the T4 schools, I like it because of the same reasons I picked it for undergrad. It was in a big city, and diverse with a focus on international affairs, which could help you in finding a job or internship with an international company. Also good for comparative/international law. Networking is big there, and they have a large alumni group.

This is clearly the advice from someone who's not a law student (for more than two years) or a lawyer, so just ignore it.  If you're a 2L/3L or an attorney, you will see how naive that statement is. 

But I never said anything about law employment opportunities. I said international. I don't think it's naive. It's true and I took advantage of it while I was there. It is a school that places emphasis on international affairs, and goes out of its way to give students a chance to take advantage of employment opportunities that have an international angle.

It has nothing to do with being a 2L, 3L, 4L, 5L, or a lawyer. It has to do with what the school had to offer, and since I attended the school and took advantage of it, I was just giving my opinion. No other assumptions.

Are there a lot of 5L's at FIU?
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Wondering about the "5L" thing myself.