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Deciding Where to Go => Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses => Topic started by: Ninja1 on May 01, 2009, 05:10:47 PM

Title: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 01, 2009, 05:10:47 PM
Considering that we occasionally debate this topic, I figured we might as well just have a topic for what everyone thinks of as the best law schools that are perpetually ranked in the T3 and T4, or pretty close to it. Give reasons if you want, don't if you don't. Let's have some fun. I'll start:

In nothing besides alphabetical order:

Albany, Arkansas-Fayetteville, Franklin Pierce, North Dakota, Ole Miss (probably the best on my list), Stetson, Syracuse, and Texas Tech.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: SEC_2L on May 01, 2009, 05:50:32 PM
AR-Faye is up to 94 these days Ninja! Get with the times... ;D
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: 20caliguy on May 01, 2009, 07:05:44 PM
Albany, Drake, Southwestern, Stetson, Suffolk, Syracuse
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on May 01, 2009, 07:06:19 PM
That's like saying: which fast food is best for you?

McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack in the Box.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: 'blueskies on May 01, 2009, 07:16:46 PM
Wendy's, obviously
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: SwampFox on May 01, 2009, 07:58:58 PM
Albany, Drake, Southwestern, Stetson, Suffolk, Syracuse
I thought Stetson was just hanging on to T2 (at least it was last year)...
I'll throw Campbell in its place, 'cause I think it at least deserves to be T3.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 02, 2009, 02:32:31 AM
AR-Faye is up to 94 these days Ninja! Get with the times... ;D

You may have missed the "or pretty close to [the T3 or T4]" line. The Ark usually hangs out in the low 90s or high T3.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 02, 2009, 02:36:57 AM
That's like saying: which fast food is best for you?

McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack in the Box.

McDonald's, but only by the process of elimination. TB (ha!) uses meat of questionable quality as far as I'm concerned, Wendy's is always f-ing with their prices to appease shareholders that hate the dollar menu (subtle attack on the poor/college students) and their bathrooms seem to be beyond disgusting at every location, and JB has caused viral outbreaks before.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: bl825 on May 02, 2009, 06:03:46 AM
That's like saying: which fast food is best for you?

McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack in the Box.

McDonald's, but only by the process of elimination. TB (ha!) uses meat of questionable quality as far as I'm concerned, Wendy's is always f-ing with their prices to appease shareholders that hate the dollar menu (subtle attack on the poor/college students) and their bathrooms seem to be beyond disgusting at every location, and JB has caused viral outbreaks before.

Wendy's hates poor people?  Who knew?
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: TimMitchell on May 02, 2009, 06:07:23 AM
I'll have to consult the bracket of death to see which TTTs and TTTTs are near the top.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Navlaw on May 02, 2009, 07:32:13 AM
Like law school best fast food really depends on what you what and location. If I want tacos I will obviously go to taco bell. I like Wendy's fries but Mcdonald's regular cheeseburger.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: SwampFox on May 02, 2009, 12:04:24 PM
Taco Bell is like attending a bad, but inexpensive, T4...it might seem like a good deal at the time, but you'll regret it later.
(Do they still do the ads that say "Run for the border?")

Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 03, 2009, 04:26:04 AM
I'll have to consult the bracket of death to see which TTTs and TTTTs are near the top.

TITCR. Which reminds me, it's about time to do that again... I suspect I'll be having some free time in about a week...
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 03, 2009, 04:26:20 AM
Taco Bell is like attending a bad, but inexpensive, T4...it might seem like a good deal at the time, but you'll regret it later.
(Do they still do the ads that say "Run for the border?")



Well said.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: SamE397 on May 04, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
I guess I'll say University of San Francisco because it has a very good bar passage rate and is probably the t3 that gives someone the best shot at landing a six figure salary. Though it is also insanely expensive.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 04, 2009, 08:15:03 PM
Considering that we occasionally debate this topic, I figured we might as well just have a topic for what everyone thinks of as the best law schools that are perpetually ranked in the T3 and T4, or pretty close to it. Give reasons if you want, don't if you don't. Let's have some fun. I'll start:

In nothing besides alphabetical order:

Albany, Arkansas-Fayetteville, Franklin Pierce, North Dakota, Ole Miss (probably the best on my list), Stetson, Syracuse, and Texas Tech.

University of Arkansas and University of Mississippi are at a different category away from Tier 3 and especially Tier 4, because of their frequent appearance at the top 100 and their low cost. 
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 04, 2009, 09:08:50 PM
Considering that we occasionally debate this topic, I figured we might as well just have a topic for what everyone thinks of as the best law schools that are perpetually ranked in the T3 and T4, or pretty close to it. Give reasons if you want, don't if you don't. Let's have some fun. I'll start:

In nothing besides alphabetical order:

Albany, Arkansas-Fayetteville, Franklin Pierce, North Dakota, Ole Miss (probably the best on my list), Stetson, Syracuse, and Texas Tech.

University of Arkansas and University of Mississippi are at a different category away from Tier 3 and especially Tier 4, because of their frequent appearance at the top 100 and their low cost. 

Hence why I figure them to be two of the better, yet lower ranked schools.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: vercingetorix on May 04, 2009, 11:00:18 PM
Considering that we occasionally debate this topic, I figured we might as well just have a topic for what everyone thinks of as the best law schools that are perpetually ranked in the T3 and T4, or pretty close to it. Give reasons if you want, don't if you don't. Let's have some fun. I'll start:

In nothing besides alphabetical order:

Albany, Arkansas-Fayetteville, Franklin Pierce, North Dakota, Ole Miss (probably the best on my list), Stetson, Syracuse, and Texas Tech.

University of Arkansas and University of Mississippi are at a different category away from Tier 3 and especially Tier 4, because of their frequent appearance at the top 100 and their low cost. 

dude, are you presently attending FSU law school?  what is that saying about stones and glass houses?

Hence why I figure them to be two of the better, yet lower ranked schools.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: BizarroWally on May 05, 2009, 01:20:35 AM
That's like saying: Which supercar is the best?

Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Maserati
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: bl825 on May 05, 2009, 04:21:55 AM
Considering that we occasionally debate this topic, I figured we might as well just have a topic for what everyone thinks of as the best law schools that are perpetually ranked in the T3 and T4, or pretty close to it. Give reasons if you want, don't if you don't. Let's have some fun. I'll start:

In nothing besides alphabetical order:

Albany, Arkansas-Fayetteville, Franklin Pierce, North Dakota, Ole Miss (probably the best on my list), Stetson, Syracuse, and Texas Tech.

University of Arkansas and University of Mississippi are at a different category away from Tier 3 and especially Tier 4, because of their frequent appearance at the top 100 and their low cost. 

Hence why I figure them to be two of the better, yet lower ranked schools.

dude, are you presently attending FSU law school?  what is that saying about stones and glass houses?

This would make a lot more sense if he were bashing these schools, which does not seem to be the case.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 05, 2009, 04:38:06 AM
Considering that we occasionally debate this topic, I figured we might as well just have a topic for what everyone thinks of as the best law schools that are perpetually ranked in the T3 and T4, or pretty close to it. Give reasons if you want, don't if you don't. Let's have some fun. I'll start:

In nothing besides alphabetical order:

Albany, Arkansas-Fayetteville, Franklin Pierce, North Dakota, Ole Miss (probably the best on my list), Stetson, Syracuse, and Texas Tech.

University of Arkansas and University of Mississippi are at a different category away from Tier 3 and especially Tier 4, because of their frequent appearance at the top 100 and their low cost. 

Hence why I figure them to be two of the better, yet lower ranked schools.

dude, are you presently attending FSU law school?  what is that saying about stones and glass houses?

This would make a lot more sense if he were bashing these schools, which does not seem to be the case.

Indeed. I'm saying they're good schools that just don't get ranked very well for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 05, 2009, 04:42:12 AM
That's like saying: Which supercar is the best?

Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Maserati

Lambo.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: StevePirates on May 05, 2009, 10:05:21 AM
Ferrari, by far.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: iamprov on May 07, 2009, 09:16:53 PM
I go to Albany and FWIW, I think it's T3 status is due to location, which is ironic because that's also the school's greatest strength, being the only law school in the capitol of one of the most influential states (with one of the most influential courts) in the nation.  I'm having a great experience overall.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: allaboutlydia on May 11, 2009, 11:22:56 PM
In Southern California:  Whittier (has top legal writing progam and excellent international clinic and study abroad programs), Chapman (small, in the OC but up and coming), Southwestern (I heard they moved from tier 3 down to tier 4... I find that hard to believe) and CalWestern (in San Diego).
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: ;;;;; on May 11, 2009, 11:39:52 PM
John Marshall in Chicago has a good legal writing program (4th in the country), a solid PT program, and decent placement in Chicago if you are not retarded.  Although I am transferring out, it could be worse...
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 12, 2009, 03:05:19 PM
In Southern California:  Whittier (has top legal writing progam and excellent international clinic and study abroad programs), Chapman (small, in the OC but up and coming), Southwestern (I heard they moved from tier 3 down to tier 4... I find that hard to believe) and CalWestern (in San Diego).

Whittier? Really?
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: cconnoll on May 12, 2009, 03:21:10 PM
How about Cal Western? A tier 4 in San Diego. Oldest accredited school in San Diego. 2nd Highest placement in San Diego behind USD. Strong alumni base in San Diego - so I hear  :-\ . But the school also contends with HLS, Stanford, UCLA ,USD, basically all T6 and any well regarded Californian schools. Also, I cant find much on salaries from CW graduates (although I know salary statistics are problematic)

So...A well regarded T4? or just another TTT..
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 12, 2009, 07:18:20 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: cconnoll on May 12, 2009, 08:26:01 PM
How about Cal Western? A tier 4 in San Diego. Oldest accredited school in San Diego. 2nd Highest placement in San Diego behind USD. Strong alumni base in San Diego - so I hear  :-\ . But the school also contends with HLS, Stanford, UCLA ,USD, basically all T6 and any well regarded Californian schools. Also, I cant find much on salaries from CW graduates (although I know salary statistics are problematic)

So...A well regarded T4? or just another TTT..



....
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 13, 2009, 05:26:00 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 13, 2009, 05:26:42 PM
This thread is chalk full of "that's like saying ____ is like ________" analogies


/thread summary

Pretty much, but that's most of LSD it seems.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 13, 2009, 05:55:10 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 13, 2009, 06:34:37 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 14, 2009, 07:08:27 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.


Tell me or I'll Ninja-trap you again.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 16, 2009, 01:06:21 AM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.


Tell me or I'll Ninja-trap you again.

You say that like I don't like participating in them. ;)

Why are you so curious about my home state? I'm curious as to that. Personally, I enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: kaiser on May 16, 2009, 01:35:35 AM
Howard, U of Baltimore, Syracuse
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 16, 2009, 09:14:06 AM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.


Tell me or I'll Ninja-trap you again.

You say that like I don't like participating in them. ;)

Why are you so curious about my home state? I'm curious as to that. Personally, I enjoy the game.

How much desire do you have returning back to your state versus stay in Florida or move to Atlanta, Texas, etc.?
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: allaboutlydia on May 16, 2009, 11:07:53 PM

Whittier? Really?
[/quote]

Yes really. I realize that at one time they had been on probation.  However, they have worked really hard to shore up their numbers.  They've stopped accepting applicants with dubious LSAT scores.  They now require extensive pre-bar classes.  Their 2008 bar passage was 80%.  Their new dean is from the University of Colorado School of Law.  Their legal writing program is tops.  They have a collaboration with Pepperdine University for their international program.  They are heavily supported by the Orange County District Attorney's office.  Here is a list of law firms that have hired Whittier grads:

 • Allred Maroko & Goldberg, Los Angeles

• Baker Botts LLP, Dallas

• Ballard Rosenberg Golper & Savitt, LLP, Universal City, CA

• Berger, Khan, Shafton, Moss, Irvine & Marina Del Rey

• Birch, Stewart, Kolasch & Birch, LLP , Costa Mesa

• Blakely, Sokoloff, Taylor & Zafman, LLP, Los Angeles

• Bonne Bridges Mueller O’Keefe & Nichols, Santa Ana & Los Angeles

• Buchalter Nemer Fields & Younger, Los Angeles

• Cooksey Toolen Gage Duffy & Woog, Costa Mesa

• Cotkin Collins & Ginsburg, Santa Ana

• Cummins & White, LLP, Newport Beach

• Demetriou, Del Guercio, Springer & Francis, LLP, Los Angeles

• Fitzpatrick, Cella, Harper & Scinto, Costa Mesa

• Ford, Walker, Haggerty & Behar, LLP, Long Beach

• Fulbright & Jaworski, LLP, Los Angeles

• Fulwider Patton Lee & Utecht, LLP, Los Angeles

• Greenberg Traurig LLP, Santa Monica

• Gates & Cooper LLP, Los Angeles

• Gunster Yoakley, Palm Beach, FL

• Haight, Brown & Bonesteel, LLP, Los Angeles

• Harness, Dickey & Pierce, PLC, Saint Louis, MO

• Heller Ehrman LLP, San Francisco & Singapore

• Holland & Hart, LLP, Denver

• Holland & Knight, LLP, Miami

• Hooper, Lundy & Bookman, Inc., Los Angeles

• Jackson DeMarco & Peckenpaugh, Irvine

• Jackson Walker LLP, Dallas

• Jeffer, Mangels, Butler & Marmaro, LLP, Los Angeles

• Jenkins & Gilchrist, Dallas

• Keesal, Young, & Logan, Long Beach

• Kiesel Boucher & Larson, LLP, Beverly Hills

• Knobbe, Martens, Olsen & Bear LLP, Irvine & Riverside

• Latham & Watkins, New York

• Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith LLP, Los Angeles

• Loeb & Loeb LLP, Los Angeles

• Masry & Vititoe, Westlake Village, CA

• Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, LLP, Los Angeles

• Manning & Marder, Kass, Ellrod, Ramirez LLP, Los Angeles

• Mardirossian & Associates Inc., Los Angeles

• Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP, Chicago

• Milberg Weiss Bershad Hynes & Lerach LLP, San Diego

• Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp, LLP, Los Angeles

• Morgan Lewis LLP, Los Angeles & San Francisco

• Nossaman, Guthner, Knox & Elliott LLP, Irvine

• Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, Orange County

• O’Sullivan Graev & Karabell, LLP, New York

• Quinn, Emanuel, Urquhart, Oliver, & Hedges, LLP, Los Angeles

• Reed Smith, Los Angeles & Washington D.C.

• Richards, Watson & Gershon, Los Angeles

• Salomon Brothers, Inc., New York

• Sedgwick, Detert, Moran & Arnold LLP, Los Angeles

• Seyfarth Shaw LLP, Los Angeles

• Shulman Hodges & Bastian LLP, Foothill Ranch

• Snell & Wilmer LLP, Phoenix

• Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP, Los Angeles

• Stephan Oringer Richman & Theodora, Costa Mesa & Los Angeles

• Stradling Yocca Carlson & Rauth, Newport Beach

• Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tampa, FL

• Toshiba America Information Systems, Irvine

• Wasserman, Comden, Casselman & Pearson, LLP, Tarzana

• White & Case LLP, New York

• Wilson, Elser, Moskowitz, Edelman & Dicker LLP, Los Angeles & Newark

• Wilson, Sonsini, Goodrich & Rosati, Palo Alto

• Winstead Sechrest & Minick P.C., Dallas

• Winston & Strawn LLP, New York
 
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 16, 2009, 11:39:11 PM


Yes really. I realize that at one time they had been on probation.  However, they have worked really hard to shore up their numbers.  They've stopped accepting applicants with dubious LSAT scores.  They now require extensive pre-bar classes.  Their 2008 bar passage was 80%.  Their new dean is from the University of Colorado School of Law.  Their legal writing program is tops.  They have a collaboration with Pepperdine University for their international program.  They are heavily supported by the Orange County District Attorney's office.  Here is a list of law firms that have hired Whittier grads:

 • Allred Maroko & Goldberg, Los Angeles

• Baker Botts LLP, Dallas

• Ballard Rosenberg Golper & Savitt, LLP, Universal City, CA

• Berger, Khan, Shafton, Moss, Irvine & Marina Del Rey

• Birch, Stewart, Kolasch & Birch, LLP , Costa Mesa

• Blakely, Sokoloff, Taylor & Zafman, LLP, Los Angeles

• Bonne Bridges Mueller O’Keefe & Nichols, Santa Ana & Los Angeles

• Buchalter Nemer Fields & Younger, Los Angeles

• Cooksey Toolen Gage Duffy & Woog, Costa Mesa

• Cotkin Collins & Ginsburg, Santa Ana

• Cummins & White, LLP, Newport Beach

• Demetriou, Del Guercio, Springer & Francis, LLP, Los Angeles

• Fitzpatrick, Cella, Harper & Scinto, Costa Mesa

• Ford, Walker, Haggerty & Behar, LLP, Long Beach

• Fulbright & Jaworski, LLP, Los Angeles

• Fulwider Patton Lee & Utecht, LLP, Los Angeles

• Greenberg Traurig LLP, Santa Monica

• Gates & Cooper LLP, Los Angeles

• Gunster Yoakley, Palm Beach, FL

• Haight, Brown & Bonesteel, LLP, Los Angeles

• Harness, Dickey & Pierce, PLC, Saint Louis, MO

• Heller Ehrman LLP, San Francisco & Singapore

• Holland & Hart, LLP, Denver

• Holland & Knight, LLP, Miami

• Hooper, Lundy & Bookman, Inc., Los Angeles

• Jackson DeMarco & Peckenpaugh, Irvine

• Jackson Walker LLP, Dallas

• Jeffer, Mangels, Butler & Marmaro, LLP, Los Angeles

• Jenkins & Gilchrist, Dallas

• Keesal, Young, & Logan, Long Beach

• Kiesel Boucher & Larson, LLP, Beverly Hills

• Knobbe, Martens, Olsen & Bear LLP, Irvine & Riverside

• Latham & Watkins, New York

• Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith LLP, Los Angeles

• Loeb & Loeb LLP, Los Angeles

• Masry & Vititoe, Westlake Village, CA

• Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, LLP, Los Angeles

• Manning & Marder, Kass, Ellrod, Ramirez LLP, Los Angeles

• Mardirossian & Associates Inc., Los Angeles

• Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP, Chicago

• Milberg Weiss Bershad Hynes & Lerach LLP, San Diego

• Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp, LLP, Los Angeles

• Morgan Lewis LLP, Los Angeles & San Francisco

• Nossaman, Guthner, Knox & Elliott LLP, Irvine

• Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, Orange County

• O’Sullivan Graev & Karabell, LLP, New York

• Quinn, Emanuel, Urquhart, Oliver, & Hedges, LLP, Los Angeles

• Reed Smith, Los Angeles & Washington D.C.

• Richards, Watson & Gershon, Los Angeles

• Salomon Brothers, Inc., New York

• Sedgwick, Detert, Moran & Arnold LLP, Los Angeles

• Seyfarth Shaw LLP, Los Angeles

• Shulman Hodges & Bastian LLP, Foothill Ranch

• Snell & Wilmer LLP, Phoenix

• Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP, Los Angeles

• Stephan Oringer Richman & Theodora, Costa Mesa & Los Angeles

• Stradling Yocca Carlson & Rauth, Newport Beach

• Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tampa, FL

• Toshiba America Information Systems, Irvine

• Wasserman, Comden, Casselman & Pearson, LLP, Tarzana

• White & Case LLP, New York

• Wilson, Elser, Moskowitz, Edelman & Dicker LLP, Los Angeles & Newark

• Wilson, Sonsini, Goodrich & Rosati, Palo Alto

• Winstead Sechrest & Minick P.C., Dallas

• Winston & Strawn LLP, New York
 




Here is a short incomplete list of schools that Orange County Community College graduates have gotten into:

Stanford

UCLA

Cornell

Duke

Penn

Does that mean much to an average Joe who is about to enter that community college?  Don't you think it's misleading not to mention the WHOLE story? 

Please don't do this again.  Some naive pre-law kids is going to think that an average Whittier grad is going to get an offer from one of these firms.  You and we all experienced ones know that probably less than 5% of its graduates end up at any of these firms. 
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 03:21:17 PM

...

Yes really. I realize that at one time they had been on probation.  However, they have worked really hard to shore up their numbers.  They've stopped accepting applicants with dubious LSAT scores.  They now require extensive pre-bar classes.  Their 2008 bar passage was 80%.  Their new dean is from the University of Colorado School of Law.  Their legal writing program is tops.  They have a collaboration with Pepperdine University for their international program.  They are heavily supported by the Orange County District Attorney's office.  Here is a list of law firms that have hired Whittier grads:

...


They're getting it together, but I think it's still hard to consider them anywhere much above the lowest schools. Yeah, they occasionally get someone placed well, but that's going to be a few guys a year. Even Cooley can manage that.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 03:22:53 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.


Tell me or I'll Ninja-trap you again.

You say that like I don't like participating in them. ;)

Why are you so curious about my home state? I'm curious as to that. Personally, I enjoy the game.

How much desire do you have returning back to your state versus stay in Florida or move to Atlanta, Texas, etc.?

Not much desire to return to my home state, but I could deal with it if need be. I'd rather move to Texas than Atlanta, but either would be fine in my book. Florida is still choice #1 though.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 17, 2009, 05:04:16 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.


Tell me or I'll Ninja-trap you again.

You say that like I don't like participating in them. ;)

Why are you so curious about my home state? I'm curious as to that. Personally, I enjoy the game.

How much desire do you have returning back to your state versus stay in Florida or move to Atlanta, Texas, etc.?

Not much desire to return to my home state, but I could deal with it if need be. I'd rather move to Texas than Atlanta, but either would be fine in my book. Florida is still choice #1 though.

You will have to choose soon as to where you want to take the bar. 

So, you must came from some crappy state.   :D
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 05:21:05 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.


Tell me or I'll Ninja-trap you again.

You say that like I don't like participating in them. ;)

Why are you so curious about my home state? I'm curious as to that. Personally, I enjoy the game.

How much desire do you have returning back to your state versus stay in Florida or move to Atlanta, Texas, etc.?

Not much desire to return to my home state, but I could deal with it if need be. I'd rather move to Texas than Atlanta, but either would be fine in my book. Florida is still choice #1 though.

You will have to choose soon as to where you want to take the bar. 

So, you must came from some crappy state.   :D

For the time being, I'll be taking the FL bar (already signed up). However, if the right opportunity comes up, I'd gladly head elsewhere.

The home state does indeed leave a lot to be desired, but it's not entirely horrible. It has a few cities of note and probably isn't going to fail Michigan style any time soon, so that's good. Plus people not from there seem to think it would be a cool enough place to live.

Did you already give up on guessing?
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 17, 2009, 05:48:50 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.


Tell me or I'll Ninja-trap you again.

You say that like I don't like participating in them. ;)

Why are you so curious about my home state? I'm curious as to that. Personally, I enjoy the game.

How much desire do you have returning back to your state versus stay in Florida or move to Atlanta, Texas, etc.?

Not much desire to return to my home state, but I could deal with it if need be. I'd rather move to Texas than Atlanta, but either would be fine in my book. Florida is still choice #1 though.

You will have to choose soon as to where you want to take the bar. 

So, you must came from some crappy state.   :D

For the time being, I'll be taking the FL bar (already signed up). However, if the right opportunity comes up, I'd gladly head elsewhere.

The home state does indeed leave a lot to be desired, but it's not entirely horrible. It has a few cities of note and probably isn't going to fail Michigan style any time soon, so that's good. Plus people not from there seem to think it would be a cool enough place to live.

Did you already give up on guessing?

It's either Nevada or Arizona....or possibly New Mexico.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 06:22:42 PM

Whittier? Really?

Are you a Californian?

No, but I am aware of how they damn near lost their accreditation and how they continue to be a shithole.

What's your home state then?

Somewhere between CA and FL.


Tell me or I'll Ninja-trap you again.

You say that like I don't like participating in them. ;)

Why are you so curious about my home state? I'm curious as to that. Personally, I enjoy the game.

How much desire do you have returning back to your state versus stay in Florida or move to Atlanta, Texas, etc.?

Not much desire to return to my home state, but I could deal with it if need be. I'd rather move to Texas than Atlanta, but either would be fine in my book. Florida is still choice #1 though.

You will have to choose soon as to where you want to take the bar. 

So, you must came from some crappy state.   :D

For the time being, I'll be taking the FL bar (already signed up). However, if the right opportunity comes up, I'd gladly head elsewhere.

The home state does indeed leave a lot to be desired, but it's not entirely horrible. It has a few cities of note and probably isn't going to fail Michigan style any time soon, so that's good. Plus people not from there seem to think it would be a cool enough place to live.

Did you already give up on guessing?

It's either Nevada or Arizona....or possibly New Mexico.

Good region, but none are my people.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 06:52:49 PM
Dallas, Texas.  So confident, I'm naming a city.

I do love Dallas, but no. Good guess though.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 17, 2009, 06:58:28 PM
Dallas, Texas.  So confident, I'm naming a city.

I do love Dallas, but no. Good guess though.

You're from Oklahoma. 
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 07:03:42 PM
Dallas, Texas.  So confident, I'm naming a city.

I do love Dallas, but no. Good guess though.

You're from Oklahoma. 

Fair shot, but no.

For what it's worth, the only decent city that I've been through in Oklahoma is OKC, and it's not anything to write home about in my opinion. I applied to OU and would have strongly considered it had they admitted me (waitlisted... for some reason), but FSU would have easily won.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 17, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
Fair shot, but no.

For what it's worth, the only decent city that I've been through in Oklahoma is OKC, and it's not anything to write home about in my opinion. I applied to OU and would have strongly considered it had they admitted me (waitlisted... for some reason), but FSU would have easily won.

Ninja is from Utah.   ;D
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 07:09:50 PM
It's definitely somewhere in Texas.  I was going to say Austin, but Dallas seemed more likely.  No way you're from Houston.

Austin is nice, and Houston is good too. If I had to live anywhere in Texas though, I would live in Dallas. However, I'm tragically not from the Lone Star (though, I'd rather be from the Sunshine).
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 07:10:24 PM
Fair shot, but no.

For what it's worth, the only decent city that I've been through in Oklahoma is OKC, and it's not anything to write home about in my opinion. I applied to OU and would have strongly considered it had they admitted me (waitlisted... for some reason), but FSU would have easily won.

Ninja is from Utah.   ;D

I would shoot myself in the f-ing head if I was from Utah. :)
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Contract2008 on May 17, 2009, 07:15:11 PM
Fair shot, but no.

For what it's worth, the only decent city that I've been through in Oklahoma is OKC, and it's not anything to write home about in my opinion. I applied to OU and would have strongly considered it had they admitted me (waitlisted... for some reason), but FSU would have easily won.

Ninja is from Utah.   ;D

I would shoot myself in the f-ing head if I was from Utah. :)

I got it. It's Colorado.  Why didn't you go to school at your home state? 
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on May 17, 2009, 07:22:36 PM
Fair shot, but no.

For what it's worth, the only decent city that I've been through in Oklahoma is OKC, and it's not anything to write home about in my opinion. I applied to OU and would have strongly considered it had they admitted me (waitlisted... for some reason), but FSU would have easily won.

Ninja is from Utah.   ;D

I would shoot myself in the f-ing head if I was from Utah. :)

I got it. It's Colorado.  Why didn't you go to school at your home state? 

Finally, a winner.

I got waitlisted at CU, but had little desire to go there after spending some time in the CU system and my numbers (LSAT) were lackluster for the school anyway. That said, I did date a girl that went to CU and really enjoyed Boulder when I was there.

I got into DU and probably would have received a ride (I withdrew real early, like Feb. or something), but I had little desire to go to DU. Denver is a cool city and all, but DU is kind of meh as far as law schools go.

FSU was always my #1 school (I've wanted to go there ever since I was a kid) and honestly, I thought I'd get rejected from there. But, by the grace of our Southern god, I got picked up and I never looked back. Suffice to say, I couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: wrhssaxensemble on May 22, 2009, 08:51:57 AM
Quinnipiac, Syracuse, Suffolk
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Matthies on May 22, 2009, 09:22:29 AM
Fair shot, but no.

For what it's worth, the only decent city that I've been through in Oklahoma is OKC, and it's not anything to write home about in my opinion. I applied to OU and would have strongly considered it had they admitted me (waitlisted... for some reason), but FSU would have easily won.

Ninja is from Utah.   ;D

I would shoot myself in the f-ing head if I was from Utah. :)

I got it. It's Colorado.  Why didn't you go to school at your home state? 

I goot into DU and probably would have received a ride (I withdrew real early, like Feb. or something), but I had little desire to go to DU. Denver is a cool city and all, but DU is kind of meh as far as law schools go.

FSU was always my #1 school (I've wanted to go there ever since I was a kid) and honestly, I thought I'd get rejected from there. But, by the grace of our Southern god, I got picked up and I never looked back. Suffice to say, I couldn't be happier.

You should have gone to DU, I could have gotten you a job by now. Besides you can ski vail and go to class all in the same day
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Dr. Balsenschaft on May 22, 2009, 09:52:44 AM
Fair shot, but no.

For what it's worth, the only decent city that I've been through in Oklahoma is OKC, and it's not anything to write home about in my opinion. I applied to OU and would have strongly considered it had they admitted me (waitlisted... for some reason), but FSU would have easily won.

Ninja is from Utah.   ;D

I would shoot myself in the f-ing head if I was from Utah. :)

I got it. It's Colorado.  Why didn't you go to school at your home state? 

I goot into DU and probably would have received a ride (I withdrew real early, like Feb. or something), but I had little desire to go to DU. Denver is a cool city and all, but DU is kind of meh as far as law schools go.

FSU was always my #1 school (I've wanted to go there ever since I was a kid) and honestly, I thought I'd get rejected from there. But, by the grace of our Southern god, I got picked up and I never looked back. Suffice to say, I couldn't be happier.

You should have gone to DU, I could have gotten you a job by now. Besides you can ski vail and go to class all in the same day

Completely off topic, but I haven't been out to CO for a while.  Did you get a chance to ski the new terrain at A-Basin?  How was it?
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Matthies on May 22, 2009, 10:11:23 AM
Fair shot, but no.

For what it's worth, the only decent city that I've been through in Oklahoma is OKC, and it's not anything to write home about in my opinion. I applied to OU and would have strongly considered it had they admitted me (waitlisted... for some reason), but FSU would have easily won.

Ninja is from Utah.   ;D

I would shoot myself in the f-ing head if I was from Utah. :)

I got it. It's Colorado.  Why didn't you go to school at your home state? 

I goot into DU and probably would have received a ride (I withdrew real early, like Feb. or something), but I had little desire to go to DU. Denver is a cool city and all, but DU is kind of meh as far as law schools go.

FSU was always my #1 school (I've wanted to go there ever since I was a kid) and honestly, I thought I'd get rejected from there. But, by the grace of our Southern god, I got picked up and I never looked back. Suffice to say, I couldn't be happier.

You should have gone to DU, I could have gotten you a job by now. Besides you can ski vail and go to class all in the same day

Completely off topic, but I haven't been out to CO for a while.  Did you get a chance to ski the new terrain at A-Basin?  How was it?

No, did not make it to A-basin this season, yet. I heard the new terrain was great and being that A-basin was never really crowded it just made it less so. Its still open with a 60 inch base and will be open through July 4th (usually) so I might still make it before they close for some late spring skiing.

But to be honest A-basin is one of my least favorite mountains. Its just too steep for me. I skiboard (short sub 120cm but very fat skis). So I make long hip dragging carves, which are fine on most blues but doing that on blacks all the way down just kills your thighs because the skis are so short your really pressing against the mountain the whole time to stay in your carve. So I get worn out pretty fast at A-Basin.

Right now my favorite is Winter Park/Mary Jane because of the wide open greens and blues that allow me to make wide cross mountain carves without as much pressure on your thighs so I can ski a whole day without getting worn out.

Next time you’re out here look me up and we will go. I always get a season pass and can get buddy tickets for cheap.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: cconnoll on May 22, 2009, 06:23:54 PM
T4: California Western School of Law

Any thoughts? It seems that they have a strong presence in San Diego even considering the desirable location, competing graduates from other schools and CW is a tier 4.

http://californiabar.globl.org/report.php?mi=lawschool&ma=city&miv=&mav=san+diego&fn=li&li=20&g=2&pp=5&act=on
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Matlock!!!! on May 24, 2009, 11:55:33 PM
T4: California Western School of Law

Any thoughts? It seems that they have a strong presence in San Diego even considering the desirable location, competing graduates from other schools and CW is a tier 4.

http://californiabar.globl.org/report.php?mi=lawschool&ma=city&miv=&mav=san+diego&fn=li&li=20&g=2&pp=5&act=on
Horrible 1L attrition.  Same with Whittier.  Plus add the fact that UCI has moved into the area.  That's a huge stinger!

Cal Western, Western State, and Whittier remain in those dark, smokey, nether regions of California that best remain unspoken.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: MAcc2007 on June 13, 2009, 09:53:12 AM
That's like saying: which fast food is best for you?

McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack in the Box.

McDonald's, but only by the process of elimination. TB (ha!) uses meat of questionable quality as far as I'm concerned, Wendy's is always f-ing with their prices to appease shareholders that hate the dollar menu (subtle attack on the poor/college students) and their bathrooms seem to be beyond disgusting at every location, and JB has caused viral outbreaks before.

This "McDonald's, but only by the process of elimination."

Juxtaposed with this

"TB (ha!) uses meat of questionable quality as far as I'm concerned"

That is laughable.

I'm about to rock your world.  I used to go door to door in Dodge City Kansas.  Dodge City has many cow slaughtering plants and a lot of the people in the city work at these plants.  In talking to some of the people who worked at these plants, they noted McDonalds get the lowest quality meat.

Taco Bell is by no means a healthy choice compared to Mickie D's, but your assertion that TB has questionable meat while supposing McDonalds doesn't is laughable.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on June 13, 2009, 04:21:15 PM
That's like saying: which fast food is best for you?

McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack in the Box.

McDonald's, but only by the process of elimination. TB (ha!) uses meat of questionable quality as far as I'm concerned, Wendy's is always f-ing with their prices to appease shareholders that hate the dollar menu (subtle attack on the poor/college students) and their bathrooms seem to be beyond disgusting at every location, and JB has caused viral outbreaks before.

This "McDonald's, but only by the process of elimination."

Juxtaposed with this

"TB (ha!) uses meat of questionable quality as far as I'm concerned"

That is laughable.

I'm about to rock your world.  I used to go door to door in Dodge City Kansas.  Dodge City has many cow slaughtering plants and a lot of the people in the city work at these plants.  In talking to some of the people who worked at these plants, they noted McDonalds get the lowest quality meat.

Taco Bell is by no means a healthy choice compared to Mickie D's, but your assertion that TB has questionable meat while supposing McDonalds doesn't is laughable.

Not saying McDonald's has much better meat, or even contesting that they get the same or slightly inferior meat at the start, but TB seems to do something... special to their meat somewhere in the chain.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Advocate on June 13, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
I've heard good things about Syracuse and Howard.
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: JDat45 on November 28, 2009, 08:08:39 PM
That's like saying: which fast food is best for you?

McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack in the Box.

McDonald's, but only by the process of elimination. TB (ha!) uses meat of questionable quality as far as I'm concerned, Wendy's is always f-ing with their prices to appease shareholders that hate the dollar menu (subtle attack on the poor/college students) and their bathrooms seem to be beyond disgusting at every location, and JB has caused viral outbreaks before.


I love to hate you  ;D ;D ;D :o
Title: Re: Best T3 and T4 Law Schools
Post by: Ninja1 on November 29, 2009, 07:07:17 PM
That's like saying: which fast food is best for you?

McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Jack in the Box.

McDonald's, but only by the process of elimination. TB (ha!) uses meat of questionable quality as far as I'm concerned, Wendy's is always f-ing with their prices to appease shareholders that hate the dollar menu (subtle attack on the poor/college students) and their bathrooms seem to be beyond disgusting at every location, and JB has caused viral outbreaks before.


I love to hate you  ;D ;D ;D :o

I like to think I keep it interesting around here. :)