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Title: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on April 24, 2009, 10:14:09 PM
FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!11111

After 3 long, hard, frustrating years I have been granted parole from my law school. I got a couple weeks till graduation/bar prep. So I want to pass on some knowledge that I've gained thru-out my time here.

So ask away!
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: AgreeToDisagree on April 24, 2009, 10:35:52 PM
A. What was most challenging aspect(beside the obvious)of law school you had to overcome?

B. Were you ever on the precipice of throwing in the towel? If so how were you able to persevere?

C. What's the best piece of advice you could offer a 0L starting this fall?

Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on April 24, 2009, 10:52:41 PM
A. What was most challenging aspect(beside the obvious)of law school you had to overcome?
- The 2 hardest parts of Law School were probably:
1. Learning to accept defeat/setbacks. I can handle a bad grade in a class. However in Law School this is the first time that many of you/us will ever run into rejection. Either rejection from the job you wanted/interned or rejection from journal/trial advocacy.

2. Constant competition. Even if  you played sports, Law School creates a different more insidious form of competition during your 1L year. You are always competing against someone else for the most arbitrary form of recognition. It gets to the point where idiots are comparing which Professor assigned the most pages to read for class or which section has the smartest people assigned to it. Day after day, you feel as if you always have to prove yourself because of the arbitrary standards that this institution creates and places upon us. You quickly learn in Law School that you can't always be #1. No matter how great you were in undergrad, there is always someone better than you.


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B. Were you ever on the precipice of throwing in the towel? If so how were you able to persevere?

Nah, cuz I knew that when I stepped foot into Law School I wasn't leaving with that expensive-ass piece of paper. I've always wanted to be a Lawyer, I just never wanted to go to law school because the study of law has nothing to do with the practice of law.

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C. What's the best piece of advice you could offer a 0L starting this fall?

Contrary to popular belief, there is nothing you can do to gain an advantage over your soon-to-be classmates. I don't care how many times you read "Getting to Maybe" or "Planet 1L". Unless you drop $2,500 to take a BarBri course this summer, you will not have any noticeable advantage.

Your best bet is to go out and have FUUUUUUN this summer. If you need money, then go get a part-time job working with a lawyer in a field of law that YOU HAVE A STRONG INTEREST IN PURSUING. It will give you a leg up over you classmates that went to law school "because my dad is a lawyer and I figured I might as well be one, too."


Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on April 28, 2009, 06:22:12 PM
What advice do you have for the class of 2009 who have just dropped $150k+ on this degree and are coming out into this economy with no job?
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on April 30, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
What advice do you have for the class of 2009 who have just dropped $150k+ on this degree and are coming out into this economy with no job?

In the words of the ever-eloquent 8Ball & MJG, "Pimp Hard, Pimp Harder"

I have little remorse for my classmates who ain't got no job. Not b/c I'm a heartless bastard but because we have more education than 90% of the population.

Think of all the people you know that have half of our education, but still find a way to make a living for themselves. If you are looking for that cushy $140-60k job STRAIGHT OUT OF Law school, well you finna get yo feelings hurt cuz they don't want us.

However, if you are looking for a JOB IN THE LEGAL FIELD that will teach you how to be a LAWYER, then there is still hope.
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: Obama2 on May 01, 2009, 12:36:19 AM
what was your regular daily schedule like (outside of class)? How difficult did you find it to incorporate some parts of your life that had nothing to do with law school (ex: excercise, socialize, fam, relationships, and etc) into your schedule?
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on May 02, 2009, 09:24:53 AM
What advice do you have for the class of 2009 who have just dropped $150k+ on this degree and are coming out into this economy with no job?

In the words of the ever-eloquent 8Ball & MJG, "Pimp Hard, Pimp Harder"

I have little remorse for my classmates who ain't got no job. Not b/c I'm a heartless bastard but because we have more education than 90% of the population.

Think of all the people you know that have half of our education, but still find a way to make a living for themselves. If you are looking for that cushy $140-60k job STRAIGHT OUT OF Law school, well you finna get yo feelings hurt cuz they don't want us.

However, if you are looking for a JOB IN THE LEGAL FIELD that will teach you how to be a LAWYER, then there is still hope.

Good answer.  Although heartless bastard would have also been acceptable. :D
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: cui bono? on May 02, 2009, 10:19:40 AM
is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on May 04, 2009, 12:18:20 PM
what was your regular daily schedule like (outside of class)? How difficult did you find it to incorporate some parts of your life that had nothing to do with law school (ex: excercise, socialize, fam, relationships, and etc) into your schedule?

You have to make time for yourself. 1L year I would use our 3hr break in between class on Tuesdays and go get a haircut. Sundays would be my "ME" day, where I sat ant home, didn't answer the phone, ddin't study or nothing else, and I would just watch DVD episodes of 24.

I would find time to exercise in the evening around 9:00 b/c the guym closed at 11pm. I didn't go earlier in the evening because all the Fratboys and Sorority girls would hog the damn machines at that time.

I had to break up w/ my girlfriend at the beginning of 1L year just b/c i couldn't handle a long-distance relationship AND First year at the same time. My family understood why I wasn't around them as much or call as often because I brought them to friends-and-family day at school and they understood the crap I had to go thru on a daily basis. I wouls ee my friends from undergrad whenever we had a 3 day weekend or Spring break or such.

You have to learn how to say "NO! I'M NOT READIN'G ANOTHER DAMN THING!" and take some time out for yourself.
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on May 04, 2009, 12:24:56 PM
is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

Nah. . ..I'd hold off until the summer. A lot of them are still celebrating their undergrad graduation
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: AgreeToDisagree on May 08, 2009, 01:17:21 PM
is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

"scare the 1Ls" ??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ5W-E3EJc
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: cui bono? on May 08, 2009, 04:38:51 PM
is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

Nah. . ..I'd hold off until the summer. A lot of them are still celebrating their undergrad graduation

darn, that's my fav time in the cycle!

is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

"scare the 1Ls" ??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ5W-E3EJc

lol.  u shall see, grasshopper
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: Eugene Young on May 08, 2009, 04:45:51 PM
is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

Nah. . ..I'd hold off until the summer. A lot of them are still celebrating their undergrad graduation

darn, that's my fav time in the cycle!

is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

"scare the 1Ls" ??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ5W-E3EJc

lol.  u shall see, grasshopper

Yep...I remember coming in here at 3am one night complaining about my memo. Ahh, good times!
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: cui bono? on May 09, 2009, 09:55:04 AM
I actually miss those times
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: Obama2 on May 10, 2009, 12:32:23 PM
is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

"scare the 1Ls" ??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ5W-E3EJc

haha I second that,

this is how I feel bout "scare the 1Ls" lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLoEtQmodkc
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: AgreeToDisagree on May 10, 2009, 10:23:57 PM
is it time to dig up that old thread "let's scare the 1Ls" or is it too soon?

"scare the 1Ls" ??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJ5W-E3EJc

haha I second that,

this is how I feel bout "scare the 1Ls" lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLoEtQmodkc


Yeeeaaa!!!! Arrfff!! Arrfff!!! LOL. We need a 1L theme song, mantra thread!! Yea!!!Yea!!!

In the words of Diddy's character in "NOTORIOUS"....

"What Ever don't Break a N*gga, Make a N*gga!"

Matter of fact, I'm going to place that under my avatar. Word.
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: cui bono? on May 12, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
LOL. Love the 'tude. LMAO@ these you tube theme songs.
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on May 26, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
I'm sure we have all heard stories of how competitive law school. In reference to your experience, how competitive was it? Was it "cut-throat competitive"???
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: chukoo321 on May 26, 2009, 02:28:55 PM
If you dont mind i was just wondering where did you go for undergrad and what law school are you graduating from ? also what concentration in law do you feel yourself gravitating towards? and what clinics or summer internships did you take in order to get all that you could out of school??

signed,

over anxious 0L ???
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: AgreeToDisagree on May 26, 2009, 10:05:28 PM
LOL, I'm going crazy too; every day that passes, I think, "ohh shhht, ohh shht, ohhh shht."
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on May 28, 2009, 07:15:09 PM
I'm sure we have all heard stories of how competitive law school. In reference to your experience, how competitive was it? Was it "cut-throat competitive"???

Cut-throat is a very relative term. I've never seen any real-life examples of people "hiding books" or slashing pages out of other books. Simply because if somebody did that, it wouldn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Your grade is decided by a 3hr exam at the end of hte semester, not by how well you read all the dusty books in the library.

The "competition" is more fostered by the law school itself. In undergrad you could do your own thing and nobody cared. Athlete, Greek, Student Gov't, Weedhead, Computer Science, it really didn't matter because you were only judge by those who had similar interest.

In law school EVERYBODY is compared against the person next to them. It is never enough to do a good job, because the school is going to point out that somebody else did better.

"You made Mock Trial, congrats! Joe Blow made Moot Court!"

"You made Journal, congrats! Susie Q made Law Review!"

"You made Law Review, congrats! Jimmy McGhee got published!"

"You are in the top quarter of your class, congrats! Jimmy Jack Johnson is Order of the Coif"

It goes on and on and on, to the point where you actually DOUBT how intelligent you really are. You actually think that you are LESS intelligent than your classmates just because you aren't a part of some arbitrary legal publication THAT NOBODY IN THE PROFESSION OF LAW ACTUALLY READS!

Law school is essentially a mind-game. The quicker you realize that, the better you can handle it.
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on May 28, 2009, 07:20:39 PM
and what clinics or summer internships did you take in order to get all that you could out of school??

signed,

over anxious 0L ???

During my 2L year I did an externship with the Federal Public Defender's office. During my 3L year I did an externship with the city's District Attorney's office through my Prosecution Clinic.

Both clinics were wonderful experiences and it gave me wonderful insight into both sides of the Criminal Law. Before the Pros. clinic I always thought that DA's were inherently evil people who were only out to lock-up all minorities and had the easiest job in the world.

Oh how wrong i was. Being a DA is hard for a plethora of reasons that people don't recognize until they've actually watched a DA has to go thru for the simplest of cases.

I believe my Clinics were the most beneficial classes in Law school. Everything else was pointless crap inside of expensive-ass books that I had to teach myself with an outline anyways. After 1L year, you don't LEARN any new concepts in regards to "thinking like a Lawyer". You classes thereafter are just designed to fill-up your schedule and justify paying a Professor 6-figures so he can sit and publish "scholarly" books and articles.
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: Contract2008 on June 07, 2009, 07:44:54 PM
chukoo321, do you have a job offer?  Do most of your classmates have job offers?  What law school are you graduating from?


Do you recommend someone considering attending Southern in Louisiana? 
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on June 08, 2009, 11:20:40 AM
Would your clinics have been as beneficial if you had no desire to litigate?
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?action=post;quote=5339764;topic=4019437.20;num_replies=23;sesc=bd801d38c3b45f41d8465aa2d9b5b270


I wouldn't have signed up for any of them if I didn't want to be a litigator.
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on June 21, 2009, 04:14:25 PM
"My Professor said that he takes participation into account when grading, what can I do to get a high participation grade?"


Absolutely nothing, your Professor was lying to you the same way your Parents lied when they said Santa was going to bring you a gift if you were naughty.

Participation is very similar to the ABA's requirement of attendance: After your first year, you soon recognize that going to class is pointless and that you'd be much better off just reading the material and teaching yourself.

However, the Law School could not justify your Professor's 6-figure salary if hardly anybody came to class (unless he was tenure) so he has to make up rules that make you fear for a lesser grade unless you are in class everyday, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.

Can you get an "A" if you never raise your hand and ask a question? Yes

Can you get an "A" if you never answer a question when called upon? Yes
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: Contract2008 on June 21, 2009, 04:32:46 PM
Warning: Educated Black Man

That's so racist.  It implies that an educated black man is a rarity. 
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: tache1 on June 21, 2009, 08:16:52 PM
An educated black IS a rarity, especially in relative terms
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: Contract2008 on June 21, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
An educated black IS a rarity, especially in relative terms

Why?  Because 1) they are not smart enough or 2) they are oppressed by the white men? 
Title: Re: Graduating 3L taking questions
Post by: TruOne on June 21, 2009, 10:06:29 PM
An educated black IS a rarity, especially in relative terms

Why?  Because 1) they are not smart enough or 2) they are oppressed by the white men? 

Oh God, if this turns into a political/affirmative action discussion I'm LOCKING THIS POST with a quickness.