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Title: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: 20caliguy on April 23, 2009, 05:21:30 PM
Just wondering if people think Suffolk is getting the shaft in the new rankings. The school has been slowly increasing the median LSAT and GPA, but now they drop down to 4th tier? If one were just looking at the new rankings alone, one would think Suffolk is now equal with NESL and Roger Williams. Anyone else think this years rankings are looking weird?
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: vap on April 23, 2009, 05:28:34 PM
does suffolk have a part-time program?
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: djshack on April 24, 2009, 02:33:27 PM
Yes to the PT program, but it still doesn't add up.  There's a discussion on TLS.com about it going on.  Everyone else who created their own modified (yet fairly similar) rankings put Suffolk back in with the T3 crowd (based on a variety of numbers).  It seems someone at Suffolk forgot to give favors to the USNWR crew.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: vap on April 24, 2009, 03:44:58 PM
Yes to the PT program, but it still doesn't add up.  There's a discussion on TLS.com about it going on.  Everyone else who created their own modified (yet fairly similar) rankings put Suffolk back in with the T3 crowd (based on a variety of numbers).  It seems someone at Suffolk forgot to give favors to the USNWR crew.

Ah, can you link me to the modified rankings?
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: djshack on April 24, 2009, 04:15:57 PM
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=69377
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: Budlaw on April 24, 2009, 04:56:27 PM
Its very strange they are in the T4. Suffolk is very respected in Boston, however, their problem is that they are stuck in a city that has Harvard, BU and BC. And then they have to compete with Northeastern and New England School of Law.

I'd say this is another example of when the USNWR has it wrong.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: miller on April 25, 2009, 07:21:45 AM
With Harvard and BC placing so strongly in the Boston market, and BU and Northeastern rising in reputation, Boston is fairly saturated for an unknown school.  Tier 3 maybe, but they don't placce very well in BigLaw.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: iamprov on May 03, 2009, 12:33:06 PM
I was very surprised to see Suffolk drop a tier.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: penni_rose on May 05, 2009, 12:40:09 PM
I can't find the rankings now, but I swear that when I started looking into law schools (a few years back), it was in the top 100. Am I crazy or is that right?
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: vap on May 05, 2009, 01:45:34 PM
I can't find the rankings now, but I swear that when I started looking into law schools (a few years back), it was in the top 100. Am I crazy or is that right?

I don't think so.  http://www.prelawhandbook.com/law_school_rankings__2000_present
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: penni_rose on May 05, 2009, 02:26:42 PM
Weird. At the time, I was looking at all top 100 schools in Boston and Texas. This one was on my list. Of course, it might have been some other ranking that gave me that idea. I didn't really know anything about rankings at the time. This was probably a week after I decided to go to law school.

At any rate, I thought it was a firm T3, so I'm shocked that it fell. I've also heard fantastic things about it from the people I know that went there. Plus, the location is great. I am curious to know why it fell, though.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: vap on May 06, 2009, 07:22:05 AM
Minute changes can make the difference between T3 and T4.  I don't think it's a big shock for any school to switch between T3 and T4.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: dullashell on May 07, 2009, 07:09:57 AM
With Harvard and BC placing so strongly in the Boston market, and BU and Northeastern rising in reputation, Boston is fairly saturated for an unknown school.  Tier 3 maybe, but they don't placce very well in BigLaw.

18 months later and miller is still as nasty a BC troll as ever.  Which innocent 0L do you think you would be able to fool into thinking that BC's placement is with Harvard and a notch above BU?  All I can say is, do a search for BU/BC alums at Goodwin, Wilmer, Ropes, Foley, Mintz and the answer is obvious.  BU places as well if not better than BC in Boston.  BU places better at NYC biglaws than BC.  The ranking and numbers speak for themselves. Don't get me started.

And please don't quote the recent NLJ250 ranking where BC is at 15 and BU is at 18 or 20.  Last year, BU was above BC.  These schools are so close in all respects that things fluctuate year after year, but tt's just so ridiculous to read statements from insecured BC kids about "BC placing so strong" and "BU is rising."  If anything, BC is "rising" and has been trailing BU for what, 7 years now.  For uninformed 0Ls whom miller is trying to target, know that last time USNews ranked BC higher than BU, you were quite literally in middle school.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: Ninja1Hater on May 07, 2009, 07:12:29 AM
I'm not surprised in the least to hear that Suffolk fell to T4 and, frankly, I am very happy to hear it.  Their administration -- from the Dean of Admissions all the way up to the Dean of Students -- sucks.

Suffolk was in the national headlines as being the school that gave the Alleged Rapist Bachelor (Gary Zerola) his credentials, even though he was caught cheating in school.  Attorney Zerola went on to be charged with raping young girls and pissing in public and, although he beat the charges for a number of reasons, the publicity surrounding his cases was scandalous.  GOOGLE him for yourselves.

Suffolk's administration took a much-deserved beating in the press for giving this scumbag his license to allegedly rape and allegedly urinate in public.  

They are elitist and snobby, when they have no basis for that.  I, for one, am delighted to see Suffolk drop.

Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: djshack on May 07, 2009, 10:47:25 AM
I'm not surprised in the least to hear that Suffolk fell to T4 and, frankly, I am very happy to hear it. Their administration -- from the Dean of Admissions all the way up to the Dean of Students -- sucks.

Suffolk was in the national headlines as being the school that gave the Alleged Rapist Bachelor (Gary Zerola) his credentials, even though he was caught cheating in school. Attorney Zerola went on to be charged with raping young girls and pissing in public and, although he beat the charges for a number of reasons, the publicity surrounding his cases was scandalous. GOOGLE him for yourselves.

Suffolk's administration took a much-deserved beating in the press for giving this scumbag his license to allegedly rape and allegedly urinate in public.

They are elitist and snobby, when they have no basis for that. I, for one, am delighted to see Suffolk drop.



That is the least logical reason I've heard for agreeing with a law school's ranking.  The fact they gave some pervert a degree says nothing and in no way affects their ranking.  Nice way to vent.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: cs0620 on May 07, 2009, 03:44:53 PM
I just can't believe that Suffolk seems like it would be that bad.  I am possibly going to move up in Boston and have heard of Suffolk.  I want to get into the best school I can.  I just worry that my undergrad GPA of 3.1 doesn't kill off my chances if I work hard on the LSAT. 

Can anyone tell me more about Suffolk and the other Mass schools?  I just have to consider all I can in them, being a 0L.  I decided I wanted to do law a month ago and still have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: iamprov on May 07, 2009, 08:20:55 PM
I just can't believe that Suffolk seems like it would be that bad.  I am possibly going to move up in Boston and have heard of Suffolk.  I want to get into the best school I can.  I just worry that my undergrad GPA of 3.1 doesn't kill off my chances if I work hard on the LSAT. 

Can anyone tell me more about Suffolk and the other Mass schools?  I just have to consider all I can in them, being a 0L.  I decided I wanted to do law a month ago and still have a lot to learn.

It's not bad at all.  It's got a great faculty and places well regionally, which all non-T1s should do.  I think that the large PT program drags it down, but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: penni_rose on May 08, 2009, 06:58:52 AM
Like I said, I've heard great things. I used to live just down the street from the law school. It's a nice building, great location. I knew a few people that went there and loved it. I was surprised it was ranked so low, given what I'd heard.

That said, it's certainly not Harvard or BC/BU. And you do have to compete against those in the region.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: Ninja1Hater on May 08, 2009, 07:29:40 AM
I have no desire to go there because I got admitted to a much better school in the Boston-Cambridge area.  The name of my school starts with a "B" or an "H."  That's enough info on that.

But some friends applied to Suck-folk and were treated shabbily by the staff of the Admissions Office.

Calls weren't returned, questions weren't answered and one of them still hasn't even been given a decision yet. 

So they don't seem to be very cordial or courteous, and in our opinion that goes a long way.  Add to that the fact that THEY PROTECTED ZEROLA WHEN HE WAS CAUGHT CHEATING and the only conclusion to draw is that they suck.

Cheaters should be booted immediately, no questions asked.  This scumbag will do far more damage with  "J.D." after his name than he would have done without that credential, and I'll always blame the idiot administrators at Suffolk for protecting Gary Zerola when they should have kicked him out of school.

Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: djshack on May 08, 2009, 09:14:56 AM
Regarding the way the schools treats its applicants, I have to say it's actually been quite pleasant.  I've been having issues with a bank approving a loan, and Dean Ellis (Dean of Admissions) has personally been helping me out via e-mail.  She replies promptly and is very helpful.  I've also had some pleasant dealings with the financial aid office as well.

FWIW, I've heard horror stories of T14 schools' admissions staff treating applicants like *&^%.  While it'd be nice to see some level of "customer service" from law schools, it's not a factor in how good the school is.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: BTWNLAW on May 09, 2009, 04:56:07 AM
 have no desire to go there because I got admitted to a much better school in the Boston-Cambridge area.  The name of my school starts with a "B" or an "H."  That's enough info on that.

But some friends applied to Suck-folk and were treated shabbily by the staff of the Admissions Office.

Calls weren't returned, questions weren't answered and one of them still hasn't even been given a decision yet. 

So they don't seem to be very cordial or courteous, and in our opinion that goes a long way.  Add to that the fact that THEY PROTECTED ZEROLA WHEN HE WAS CAUGHT CHEATING and the only conclusion to draw is that they suck.

Cheaters should be booted immediately, no questions asked.  This scumbag will do far more damage with  "J.D." after his name than he would have done without that credential, and I'll always blame the idiot administrators at Suffolk for protecting Gary Zerola when they should have kicked him out of school.



1. Who cares where you go? S-N-O-B!
2. Maybe your friends grades/LSATS suck, because I had great/immediate responses from the Admissions Office.
3. Since you don't even go to Suffolk, I doubt you know all the details surrounding his cheating incident. Maybe they didn't have enough evidence to boot him. In any event, he graduated FIFTEEN years ago and that would have NOTHING to do with why Suffolk dropped to tier four this year.


Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: Ninja1Hater on May 11, 2009, 09:18:37 AM
Well, "ONE-POST WONDER," you sure seem angry about this post of mine.  Perhaps you work for the Suffolk Admissions Office and you're ticked off that I spoke the truth, huh?

All the publicity about that cheating bass-turd, Zerola, came out just in 2008, so it's very likely that it DID, in fact, have a role in the plunge of Suffolk to the bottom of the toilet.

A law school *SHOULD* be held accountable for giving credentials to people who end up taking advantage of others in ways that they couldn't do without the J.D. conferred by that school.  Think "Eliot Spitzer."   Think "Gary Zerola."  Schools should pick good people, not just people who can ace that test or have a super-high GPA. 

Regardless of what an applicant's score or GPA is, the school's Admissions Office has an obligation to be courteous and professional.  It's already mid-May but this friend (and others whom we know) was left hanging.  He made other plans with another school, but Suffolk still sucks for being thoughtlessly not following up on their obligations to applicants.

May the stay down in the bottom of the toilet bowl, where they belong.





1. Who cares where you go? S-N-O-B!

2. Maybe your friends grades/LSATS suck, because I had great/immediate responses from the Admissions Office.

3. Since you don't even go to Suffolk, I doubt you know all the details surrounding his cheating incident. Maybe they didn't have enough evidence to boot him. In any event, he graduated FIFTEEN years ago and that would have NOTHING to do with why Suffolk dropped to tier four this year.



Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: djshack on May 11, 2009, 03:24:14 PM
^^^ Ridiculous post. ^^^
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: cs0620 on May 11, 2009, 08:57:34 PM
Agreed.^^^
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: EricN on June 20, 2009, 11:01:30 AM
Thanks a lot for the info on Suffolk.  I was kind of disappointed to hear that Suffolk was a tier 4 but having a large PT division could explain it (I'm choosing to ignore the whole Zerola thing).  I was recently taken off the wait list at Indiana-Bloomington, which is an excellent school, but I do love Boston.  The midwest is also growing on me though.  In the end I may end up going to IU just because of the reputation, being tier 1, and flexibility in transferring if I deem that necessary.  Anyone have any thoughts?

IU gave me $10,000 a year, Suffolk $25,000 a year.  I have a 157 LSAT and 3.75 undergrad GPA.  I feel I beat the odds with my LSAT getting into a tier 1 school, esp one ranked so high (#23 in this year's USNWR).  I also fear having to compete in the boston market with Harvard/BU/BC/NESL.

One last thing, would a school like BC (or a DC school) be more interested in accepting me from a tier 1 school like IU-B or from Suffolk?
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: linquest on June 20, 2009, 08:36:23 PM
I went to law school in Boston.  How the hell Suffolk dropped below NESL leaves me scratching my head, considering that Suffolk's alumni network is so much more extensive numbers-wise and in the variety of practice settings they have a lot of grads in.

EricN- If you're open to practicing in the Midwest, definitely go to IUB.  If you were deadset on practicing nowhere other than Boston, you might be okay with going to Suffolk considering the higher scholarship.  However, IUB will give you more options as far as where you might be able to get a job after graduation.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: ERCLAW on December 08, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
I hate suffolk ...its a scam school
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: Mr. Hart on March 15, 2010, 05:59:36 PM
I got a better question WHO CARES? This just goes to show that the USNWR is bogus. I doubt Suffolk's job prospects, professors, bar passage rate, etc. could have changed much from last year, but all of the sudden this private company deems them a tier 4 school and they're in the toilet bowl. According to USNWR the 75th percentile of Suffolk's salary is around 125K. I'm sure thats on par with several higher ranked school. Bottomline if your looking to work in Boston it seems like Suffolk ought to be able to land you a decent job. I just feel that these rankings are taking WAY too far out of context. Some schools move as much as 40 spots a year and if you ask me there is no justification for that type of a jump in only a year.
Title: Re: Suffolk a tier 4?
Post by: nealric on March 15, 2010, 07:11:18 PM
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But I couldn't quite resist.

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According to USNWR the 75th percentile of Suffolk's salary is around 125K.

Really and truly, those numbers are complete fiction (they are for just about any school). Realistically, something like 5% of Suffolk graduates will get six-figure jobs right out of law school. I'm not saying that to bash the school. They are equally misleading at my own school, Georgetown, where  USNEWS reports "average" starting salaries of 160k. Getting that salary requires top 1/3 and a decent bit of luck in the current economy- hardly an "average" proposition.