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Title: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on April 13, 2009, 10:59:58 PM
Obama's first victory went beyond luck
By H.D.S. Greenway


April 14, 2009

 WITH THE RESCUE of Captain Richard Phillips from a pirate-filled lifeboat in the Indian Ocean, President Obama has survived the first dramatic crisis of his administration with colors flying. All the world was watching to see how a new, untested president would react to one of the most elemental tests of any president: how to handle the public kidnapping of an American citizen being held for ransom. The deeper crises he faces are long-term ones and will not be resolved so easily, but the success of Easter Sunday will make it all a little easier politically.

Obama was lucky that it was only one American, and not a whole embassy full as in Tehran 30 years ago - a crisis that ended with the hostages being released after 444 days and a failed rescue mission, but ended any chance that President Carter would have a second term.

Obama was lucky, too, in that he was dealing with pirates beyond the law of any nation, not a sovereign state, and on the open ocean and not among the warrens of a hostile town. The whole incident was over in a matter of days, not months.

It takes nothing away from the skill of the US Navy Seal sharpshooters to say there was a good deal of luck that the incident did not end in tragedy. If the pirates had not gotten careless and showed themselves - perhaps they thought they were protected by darkness - there might have been days of national mourning for an undoubted hero.

Obama's handling of the affair went beyond luck, however. He didn't heed the advice of those on the left who said the pirates were only businessmen of sorts and that ransom should be paid, as is the custom. Nor did he bluster and threaten the way Teddy Roosevelt famously did over the kidnapping of an American, Ion Perdicaris, by a Moroccan bandit named Mulai Ahmed Raisuli 105 years ago. The statement that America wanted "Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead" electrified the Republican convention in Chicago that year, and if there was any hesitation over TR's renomination before, there was none after.

TR sent warships to Tangier, but the matter was resolved when the Moroccan government paid the ransom. That Perdicaris had renounced his American citizenship years before was kept a secret. The Perdicaris incident was recalled in right-wing blogs last week before the Phillips rescue, almost wishing that Obama would be found wanting. But Obama never said "Captain Phillips alive or Somali pirates dead." As it was, he got both.

There could not be two more different men than Roosevelt, the greatest political showman of his age, and no-drama Obama. But by sensibly not urging a surrender to pirate demands, and leaving it to the officers of the USS Bainbridge to decide when and if to use lethal force, Obama won the day. US bombers are not raining down death on Somali villages, nor is a shameful tribute being paid - neither overreaction, nor under-reaction. There was a certain symmetry, too, in the rescue ship USS Bainbridge being named for William Bainbridge, one of the American Navy officers who helped suppress piracy on the Barbary Coast of Africa 200 years ago.

The Somali problem persists, however, and, as the pirates threaten, they may seek revenge against Americans or other foreigners. Memories of "Black Hawk Down" and the failure of other expeditionary forces in Somalia stay the hands of those who would go in with Marines and clear the pirates out. Casualties among noncombatants would be high, and Somalia is the quintessential failed state with little chance of beneficial change anytime soon.

An answer could lie in a convoy system for merchant ships, which would make it easier for navies to guard them than with shipping spread out and uncoordinated over vast stretches of ocean. Perhaps an exclusion zone far out to sea in which fishing vessels would be banned might help, as pirates use fishing boats to stalk their prey.

The current situation of pirates getting richer and richer on ransoms, and ranging farther and farther out to sea to disrupt shipping and taking hostages, however, is no longer acceptable, and never should have been.

Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on April 14, 2009, 02:39:38 PM
and iof it had gone wrong, you would been first assign blame obama.

why your people hate america?
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on April 15, 2009, 05:25:07 PM
and iof it had gone wrong, you would been first assign blame obama.

why your people hate america?

iof you stop drinking...iof you could comprehend...you would understand that we bluedogs are running the show...

you don't seem to get it? do ya, bigotboy?


and it really you people you "dovesellers" and the rest of you "ilk" who are upset with america... ;D


how you like obama now? 'bush and 'bam have destroyed you anti-war leftwingnutz mojo...

Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on April 15, 2009, 06:41:56 PM
not be hater, even if you only cartoon character.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on April 15, 2009, 09:13:12 PM
not be hater, even if you only cartoon character.


'bush and 'bam have destroyed the antiwar leftwingnuts like you and your ilk...

that make bluewarrior smile.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on April 16, 2009, 09:33:47 AM
only thing destroyed is party of gump...and you.

congratulations.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on April 18, 2009, 07:38:43 PM
...um...better check 'bams dept of defense...that is the part of the enigmatic "w" policy making...and an independent/bluedog issue...

not republican...not democrat...just "W" politics...and they continue...and that makes me smile...

...so, goodbye "antiwar leftwingnut"....we bluedogs and indigos and independents lost nothing...seems like you antiwar dovesellers are the one's still complaining...and toothless...


...so... long live "w" politique!!!


muhuhaaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaa


if my group lost anything...answer this...



who first appointed this sec. of the d.o.d?
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on April 19, 2009, 04:26:07 AM
yes, yes, julie understand:  absolutely no matter what, you right and your side win. 

whatever make you feel better, dipshit.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on April 19, 2009, 09:50:18 AM
yes, yes, julie understand:  absolutely no matter what, you right and your side win. 

whatever make you feel better, dipshit.

no...it simple really...you think aye am a republican. and aye am not. aye don't like republicans...aye do find them to have helped indigo agenda though...aye don't like dems either...and they need to come together...moderates need to bring more liberals into the fold...esp.on national security issues.

"w" was a pub...but aye appreciate his wrangler politiques

and "'bam" is a crat...and aye appreciate his good cop politics...

get it?

both have destroyed the "dovesellers" like yourself...get it, bigotboy?

you know who aye didn't want in the c.i.c. position, right...your girl hiliary...and she is not.

understand?


still...you not answer question...


who first appointed the sec of the d.o.d.???
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on April 20, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
golly, what hrc's appointment signify?

wait, wait, julie got it:  more gump's defense policies, right?

see?  anyone can play!

judging from you, obama's appointment of gates did its job.  so, when obama spill beans on torture, it not change.  just remember who first appointed gates!

p.s. on whose watch gates announce restructuring of military budget gump's republican buddies so upset about?
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on April 22, 2009, 10:19:46 PM
wonderful...laughing at how silly you are...bombastic chuckling...

aye think taking the energy out of hiliary's sails is very smart....


hiliary is perfect...great idea.

what game now?

really? military always gets a once over...it may bother pubs...but it don't ya know...not bother me...at all.

...obama more concerned moving on...  :)

...http://www.startribune.com/opinion/43389722.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

now this isn't exactly how aye feel...but aye know a lot of folks think this way....

...gates...d.o.d...pentagon? so? great! more power to em! bad cop helped...good cop time... ;)




khalid shaikh mohammed?...woops.



golly, what hrc's appointment signify?

wait, wait, julie got it:  more gump's defense policies, right?

see?  anyone can play!

judging from you, obama's appointment of gates did its job.  so, when obama spill beans on torture, it not change.  just remember who first appointed gates!

p.s. on whose watch gates announce restructuring of military budget gump's republican buddies so upset about?
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on April 23, 2009, 08:39:58 AM
yes, dungbreath, you right:  some people out there favor torture.  julie guess war crimes just hold attraction for certain type degenerate.  welcome to their club.

so, let's review: you ignore hrc's appointment, or that gates making changes in dod that making rightwing warmongers like you howl, or that obama's campaign force even gump make "arbitrary" date withdraw iraq.  yes, die-hards like you sure still running show.

and when come torture, not even obama--who deserve lots credit disclosing and denouncing gump's torture regime--get decide "move on."  that up attorney general, if not independent prosecutor, and criteria usually whether (1) law broken and (2) violation can be proven.

all your peeps better lawyer up.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on April 30, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
yes, dungbreath, you right:  some people out there favor torture.  julie guess war crimes just hold attraction for certain type degenerate.  welcome to their club.

so, let's review: you ignore hrc's appointment, or that gates making changes in dod that making rightwing warmongers like you howl, or that obama's campaign force even gump make "arbitrary" date withdraw iraq.  yes, die-hards like you sure still running show.

and when come torture, not even obama--who deserve lots credit disclosing and denouncing gump's torture regime--get decide "move on."  that up attorney general, if not independent prosecutor, and criteria usually whether (1) law broken and (2) violation can be proven.

all your peeps better lawyer up.


breakdown hiliary's appointment...she is not a policy maker...she is a neutered old hack...she will be too tired and old to run for the policy making position...and she won't be in the senate either...double whammy..

gates and d.o.d. are bush policy continuation...waziristan is on desk top...and iraq drawing down...so?  do we independent indigos havee a problem with that?  not really...but think what you will...doesn't change the facts that bam is doing the second leg of this thing...he is the "good cop"...bam wants dr. ayman al zawahiri head on a plate...or in handcuffs, at least...that is continuing to disrupt and destroy al quedah...and that is big time "national security issue" which is we independent indigos focus, as well...and that has nothing to do with democrat or republic affiliation....it is a bluedog issue...


why you have trouble understanding...

was someone tortured? really? k.s.m? so what again...shite happens...

neither bush...cheney...rumsfeld...no r rove need to lawyer up...get over it...because most of us...even att gen will move on...promise.


and for the record...genocide is a war crime which aye take very seriously...and those who commit genocide will be held accountable...torture of k.s. m. is small time stuff...if indeed we did torture him. aye heard he cried like a little girl when they told him they would use a feather on his feet.


and true degenerates are the "dove sellers" who are now ineffectual hacks themselves...and do nothing but naysay and have no solutions...and would rather lay down and give up than act.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on May 01, 2009, 05:44:36 AM
kill!  kill!  kill!
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on May 01, 2009, 09:42:16 PM
relax...bigot boy.

face it...you don't understand indigos nor bluedogs...do ya?
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on May 02, 2009, 10:47:32 AM
nor do julie understand perverts or republicans.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on May 02, 2009, 10:51:35 AM
nor do julie understand perverts or republicans.


look in mirror, shorteyes.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on May 02, 2009, 10:55:07 AM
oh, julie understand beauty and brains.

just not people like you.

and back away from that heifer.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on May 04, 2009, 08:59:25 PM
again with the barnyard animals...

better check your mirror again, too... ;)

u one keep mentioning farm creatures.  ask self why?
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on May 05, 2009, 04:20:57 AM
spca keep getting reports about you.

now back away that goat.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on May 06, 2009, 05:27:32 AM
julie understand that you miss gump and so have been even stupider than usual lately.

and take your hands off that sow.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on June 01, 2009, 10:37:27 PM
better re-check your own posts...aye know u bigot...but why preoccupied with barnyard animals?
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on June 03, 2009, 11:33:41 AM
julie not bigot.  julie not fault you for your oh-so-deep love of animals.
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on June 03, 2009, 06:17:38 PM
 :D :D :D you are not a bigot? really?? did you forget your bigotted remarks already???
Title: Re: NO DRAMA. OBAMA.
Post by: Julie Fern on June 09, 2009, 05:00:11 AM
julie apologize calling you goat-fucker, but only to goats.