Law School Discussion

Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: Eagles41 on April 02, 2009, 11:24:23 AM

Title: Elon Law School?
Post by: Eagles41 on April 02, 2009, 11:24:23 AM
Any word on Elon in North Carolina? I have friends who went there under grad and loved it but for the wrong reasons i fear. Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: Ninja1 on April 02, 2009, 11:45:07 AM
Avoid.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: SwampFox on April 02, 2009, 06:16:48 PM
Even when compared to other "Tier 4" and other such schools, you should probably look elsewhere.  It's less than three years old, and just received its provisional accreditation last year.  There is no alumni network at all (literally -- the school has no alumni yet), so there is no shot of getting help there after graduation.  Even if this year's group of entering students were of a higher caliber, the previous two classes now there were not the pick of the litter, and I'm sure employers will figure that out.  Of course, because it's so new, few employers will have heard of it.  The school probably doesn't have much of an endowment, so not a lot of aid to give out, either.  All of this might not matter if cost wasn't an issue, but the school is just as pricey as any other private school.
You might get a fine legal education there, and scuttlebutt is the school is working really hard to become a good school, but if you have other options it's probably better right now to let someone else break the place in.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on April 02, 2009, 06:25:01 PM
They actually offer reasonably attractive scholarships without strings (i.e. just have to remain in good academic standing), unlike most other schools. The top few students do well in NC, but beyond that it will mostly come down to networking. If you want to live in Greensboro or Winston, it would be a fine choice (assuming your other options are similar).
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: SwampFox on April 02, 2009, 07:22:54 PM
The top few students do well in NC, but beyond that it will mostly come down to networking. If you want to live in Greensboro or Winston, it would be a fine choice (assuming your other options are similar).
What do you mean by "the top few students do well in NC?"  Do you mean internships and summer work?  I'm pretty sure the school just opened in the fall of 2006, so they haven't had a graduating class yet.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on April 02, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
No, they haven't graduated a class yet, but the 3Ls who are about to graduate have jobs lined up already (just like at any other school).
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: SwampFox on April 03, 2009, 09:41:23 AM
No, they haven't graduated a class yet, but the 3Ls who are about to graduate have jobs lined up already (just like at any other school).
Out of sheer curiosity (and at the risk of hijacking the topic), how do you know that?  Is there a Web site that tallies this sort of thing?  Do you know a lot of people there?
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on April 03, 2009, 10:13:31 AM
My mom helped one of the people at (or near) the top purchase real estate in Greensboro. I also have friends who are 1Ls, though they weren't the source of the info about the top few students.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the job prospects are any good. Just at the top, she was choosing from multiple offers.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: k0em9u on April 03, 2009, 08:56:31 PM
No, they haven't graduated a class yet, but the 3Ls who are about to graduate have jobs lined up already (just like at any other school).

They may have had offers 6-9 months ago, but I can assure you sure as hell that nobody there is looking at any form of gainful employment at this time.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on April 03, 2009, 10:06:32 PM
Got any good reason for that speculation? Look, I don't have a horse in the race, just came here to say that if Elon is among the schools you're choosing from, and you have money from them, it could be much worse. But it's really just irresponsibly speculative to say that nobody who had an offer at Elon currently has an offer. Not all 3Ls have had their jobs revoked. I've heard at Vandy that many, many more than most haven't (last I heard only 20 were even delayed - which is about ~10% of the class). Again, any good reason to think there's a correlation between which schools people attend and which offers get revoked (generally and particularly with Elon)? I mean, they were good enough in Fall 2008 to receive an offer - and keep in mind these are local, market-paying firms. The whole "WE WANT A YALE DEGREE!" doesn't quite apply.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: k0em9u on April 03, 2009, 10:14:40 PM
Well, considering even current 3Ls at T14 schools are seeing job offers being revoked, I'm pretty sure a Tier 4 in East Bumfuck isn't hitting it out of the park.

But if you mean, do I know something concrete about this school in particular, no. Prior to reading this thread, I had not even heard of it.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on April 03, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
Right, so why respond other than to be an insufferable feminine hygiene product? Was that your reason? You haven't said anything helpful or productive, or even funny. I'm baffled you wasted your breathe.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: k0em9u on April 03, 2009, 10:26:54 PM
How the @#!* was I being an insufferable feminine hygiene product, you stupid cuntflap.

My point, and I assume what pissed you off, was pointing out that your information was 1) extremely anecdotal and 2) that the world from which that anecdotal evidence arrived from is now essentially flipped 180 degrees around. You might know this if you have checked CNN or similar lately. I'm sure even FOX News has caught up with this "economic mishap" currently happening in the world.

While future job prospects have always been an important measure of which law school you should go to, right now it is downright crucial. Leading people with some fairytale about a random third person with two job offers you heard about from some other random person is hardly something people should be putting their future on.

I also did not say that they would not have employment. I said gainful employment. I prefer it when people have a textualist approach to my posts. When I put words into sentences, I put them there for a reason. Scalia would love me. Well, he probably wouldn't.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on April 03, 2009, 11:35:30 PM
If you want to play the textualist game, I'm more than happy to oblige. My two notable posts were:

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The top few students do well in NC, but beyond that it will mostly come down to networking

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Just to be clear, I'm not saying the job prospects are any good. Just at the top, she was choosing from multiple offers.

I made no claims about anything other than the top few students. Few = top 2, 3 or maybe 4. I'm hardly making this out to be a good school with good job prospects. But keep in mind that not everybody is after the same thing you and I likely are, for better or for worse. This is why a school that cheaply provides a degree may be suitable when they cannot offer large salaries upon graduation.

That said, I don't know if anybody is dense enough to think I gave a huge breakdown of their employment prospects. Of course what I provided was anecdotal. What on earth is your point? Scalia would definitely be upset with you for such a half-assed strawman. He would probably be upset with your making stuff up as well. Namely, that I received my information before the world turned upside down.

As far as you saying "gainful employment" instead of "employment", I fail to see how it makes a difference considering it was accompanied by saying "I can assure you sure as hell" and "nobody." So unless you meant the offers were for mere employment, rather than gainful employment (and in that case you really only posted to cause trouble), then it was pretty clear from your post that you were sure that everybody with an offer had their job offer revoked. No substantive canons needed in this textual analysis. Incidentally, this is what I was responding to earlier.

Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: Ninja1 on April 04, 2009, 12:02:26 AM
Well, considering even current 3Ls at T14 schools are seeing job offers being revoked, I'm pretty sure a Tier 4 in East Bumfuck isn't hitting it out of the park.

But if you mean, do I know something concrete about this school in particular, no. Prior to reading this thread, I had not even heard of it.

Well said in my opinion.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: shootindux on April 08, 2009, 11:34:35 AM
Well, considering even current 3Ls at T14 schools are seeing job offers being revoked, I'm pretty sure a Tier 4 in East Bumfuck isn't hitting it out of the park.

But if you mean, do I know something concrete about this school in particular, no. Prior to reading this thread, I had not even heard of it.

Well said in my opinion.

just to point out, Greensboro is not East Bumfuck. Not sure where you are from but Greensboro is a thriving southern city and you sir are a piece of *&^% for talking about my home city. That said, I wouldnt go to elon. They gave me a *&^% ton of money and i laughed it off
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: Liz Lemon on April 08, 2009, 11:49:29 AM
Well, considering even current 3Ls at T14 schools are seeing job offers being revoked, I'm pretty sure a Tier 4 in East Bumfuck isn't hitting it out of the park.

But if you mean, do I know something concrete about this school in particular, no. Prior to reading this thread, I had not even heard of it.

Well said in my opinion.

to be fair, i know some people who took jobs with smaller firms while their classmates took jobs in biglaw.  the people in biglaw have been seeing their offers rescinded and the duration of their summer jobs cut back, while the people in smaller firms are moving forward as planned.  sometimes people getting hired on a more local level and in smaller firms might be able to hang on to their offers better than T14ers in biglaw.  smaller, local firms have a more vested and personal interest in you than biglaw does, even if they have a lot less money.  that said, i really don't think elon law grads have a whole plethora of options available at this point, especially since north carolina is taking the recession particularly hard.

at any rate, elon has a pretty solid reputation for undergrad, so just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it's a bad school in the middle of nowhere.  for law school, it seems like a huge risk that i personally wouldn't take and i don't think the OP should do it.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: ntiger on April 08, 2009, 12:54:41 PM
As a native North Carolinian, Elon undergrad is overpriced and is perceived as just decent.  I assume their law school would follow the same trend.
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: k0em9u on April 08, 2009, 03:45:36 PM
Well, considering even current 3Ls at T14 schools are seeing job offers being revoked, I'm pretty sure a Tier 4 in East Bumfuck isn't hitting it out of the park.

But if you mean, do I know something concrete about this school in particular, no. Prior to reading this thread, I had not even heard of it.

Well said in my opinion.

just to point out, Greensboro is not East Bumfuck. Not sure where you are from but Greensboro is a thriving southern city and you sir are a piece of *&^% for talking about my home city. That said, I wouldnt go to elon. They gave me a *&^% ton of money and i laughed it off

NYC, and as far as we're concerned, everywhere else is East Bumfuck. :)
Title: Re: Elon Law School?
Post by: SwampFox on April 08, 2009, 07:24:21 PM
That said, i really don't think elon law grads have a whole plethora of options available at this point, especially since north carolina is taking the recession particularly hard.
For the record, the statistics do not tell the complete story of the recession in North Carolina.  Yes, there are plenty of people losing their jobs, but many of them are (or were) in manufacturing textiles and furniture.  These jobs have been steadily going overseas for more than twenty years, and frankly I'm surprised they stayed in the U.S. as long they did.  On the flip side, there are also lots of firms moving in to the Carolinas and/or hiring, albeit not as much as a few years ago.  These firms are primarily hiring white collar jobs, particularly in research and/or hi-tech.  A big tell-tale sign of the areas economic health, I would argue, is the fact that home prices in NC are actually rising.  I'm not certain what all that means for the legal market, but the Carolinas are certainly not in the same boat as, say, Michigan, despite the similar unemployment rates.