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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: 1Lin09hopeful on March 17, 2009, 10:21:25 AM

Title: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: 1Lin09hopeful on March 17, 2009, 10:21:25 AM
Hi All,

Been accepted to Rutgers-Camden, LSU, and UNLV, each with a scholarship so that tuition costs are practically the same across all. For background, I'm an east coaster, but could see myself living in Vegas for quite a while post-graduation, and potentially Baton Rouge too. Would definitely live in the schools location for at least a few years post-grad, but probably coming back to the east coast/mid-atlantic/new england area eventually.

I have my own list of pros and cons for each school, but would love to hear what you guys think of these three choices. Where would you pick and why?

Thanks!

...no longer a "hopeful"...I'll be a 1L somewhere in 09!
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: Matthies on March 17, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
Just something to consider a law degree is not that portable. You will either need to take the bar in that new state or practice for seven years or so in another state with reprcority. What I mean is if you work 10 years in one state most of your connections are going to be in that state, meaning your much more valuable in that state than in one where you have no connections.

Does that mean youíre forever stuck in Las Vegas, no, but it means starting over from scratch in a new city. You wonít be as valuable to a firm there as someone who has connections already. There are plenty of lawyers with ten years of experience, but those with experience AND connections in the local state will get the jobs. Of course you could start your own practice too. So go to school where you see yourself settling down for the long haul. Preferably in a city with a decent sized legal market so you can make connections while in school.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: Ninja1 on March 17, 2009, 03:28:23 PM
UNLV or LSU, depending on where you'd rather work.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: 1Lin09hopeful on March 18, 2009, 06:53:27 AM
Thanks for the opinions! Matthies, good points. I knew I would need to stay in the schools area for a while to work, but hadn't thought about the difficulty of moving after that. Good things to think about.

Ninjal, what made you rule out Rutgers-Camden?

Thanks!
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: horang on March 18, 2009, 07:03:42 AM
If you're a east coaster and will most likely be back there.. I'd say Rutgers-Camden.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: Matthies on March 18, 2009, 07:32:26 AM
Thanks for the opinions! Matthies, good points. I knew I would need to stay in the schools area for a while to work, but hadn't thought about the difficulty of moving after that. Good things to think about.

Ninjal, what made you rule out Rutgers-Camden?

Thanks!


Itís a big issue, and one I did not realize until I started meeting working lawyers and judges. The legal community is very tight nit, everyone knows everyone else. Your rep is key, and will be why clients come to you. You will need to know the judges and what arguments work in front of them and what donít. Youíll learn about the other people who practice the same law as you and might be opposing council, like if lawyer X says this is a firm offer he means it, or if he usually bluffs on settlement price. Clients will come to you because you know people, your connections will be key. If you do regulatory law and you know everyone in agency Y what makes them tick your extremely valuable to a client going in front of that board.

Moving away you lose all those connections that make you more valuable than just knowing what the law is in state Z. This is also KEY to be successful law students, if you understand that connections mean everything in law you can start making connection while in law school by joining the local bar association and an Inn of the court and getting involved outside of school.  Iím in my final year of law school now, and I now have more friends who are lawyers and judges who can help me land jobs than I do fellow law students. Getting involved in the legal community from day one is key, most law students wonít do this, but if you do you will have a huge advantage over them come job search time. This is hands down the BEST way to find a job coming out of a none top 25 school. Get and read Guerilla Tactics to Getting the Law Job of your Dreams by Kim Walton, it will give you a good head start on what I am talking about.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: Ninja1 on March 18, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
Thanks for the opinions! Matthies, good points. I knew I would need to stay in the schools area for a while to work, but hadn't thought about the difficulty of moving after that. Good things to think about.

Ninjal, what made you rule out Rutgers-Camden?

Thanks!


I have a strong anti-NJ bias (though the Devils are my favorite hockey team... oddly).

Plus, as a more rational point, Rutgers is in the most competitive market on Earth saturated with grads from the best schools and the best grads from other schools. LSU and UNLV, on the other hand, are in substantially less competitive markets.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: remiz22 on March 19, 2009, 06:37:36 PM
Hi All,

Been accepted to Rutgers-Camden, LSU, and UNLV, each with a scholarship so that tuition costs are practically the same across all. For background, I'm an east coaster, but could see myself living in Vegas for quite a while post-graduation, and potentially Baton Rouge too. Would definitely live in the schools location for at least a few years post-grad, but probably coming back to the east coast/mid-atlantic/new england area eventually.

I have my own list of pros and cons for each school, but would love to hear what you guys think of these three choices. Where would you pick and why?

Thanks!

...no longer a "hopeful"...I'll be a 1L somewhere in 09!

If you want to position yourself with a decent chance to work on the East Coast, you should go to Rutgers.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: botbot on March 19, 2009, 08:26:49 PM
Has to be Rutgers-C given your East Coast goals.


Although if early career placement ($$$) was a priority - UNLV.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: dagreat1 on March 20, 2009, 09:27:35 AM
come on your east coast, stay with rutgers.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: vegas*girl on March 21, 2009, 08:21:49 AM
Do you mind telling me what your LSAT/GPA is? I just applied to Boyd (submitted my app. the day before the deadline) and am very nervously waiting.

Thanks!
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: Matthies on March 21, 2009, 08:57:17 AM
Has to be Rutgers-C given your East Coast goals.


Although if early career placement ($$$) was a priority - UNLV.

I would tend to agree with the idea since UNLV has the state to itself, but Nevada was hurt really bad by the housing market, they had a huge housing boom there (and Phoenix) which grew the economy to one of the fastest growing in the country, now they have one of, if not the highest foreclosure rates. Its not a boom city much anymore, it will be again, when things even out because westward migration is a continuing tread, but there is a lot of former desert with empty homes on it now (good time to buy though!) and the state is really hurting from the lost income. Just something to add to the consideration mix.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: espanol on March 22, 2009, 04:56:50 PM
i would go with the consensus and vote for rutgers-camden since you want to stay in that area.  I have friends that attend UNLV, and it is a great school for Las Vegas, and major markets in Nevada (Reno & Carson City), but like many others posted.  It has a low cost of living and tuition is low after application for residency (12 month continuous stay in nevada).  But a degree from UNLV will not do you much good out of graduation if you plan to relocate back to the east coast.  I have friends right now who are struggling to find a job in southern california from UNLV, and I image you would struggle even more than them.  Good luck with your decision.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: 1Lin09hopeful on March 23, 2009, 01:25:44 PM
Thanks for all the opinions. This discussion has turned into the discussion that's been going on in my head for weeks now.   ;D

LSU seems great, but I think I'm at a point to pass on it. It would be a lot of fun and offers great opportunities with the common/civil law aspect, but I don't want to be in Louisiana forever.

So now it's really just between UNLV and Rutgers. I'm visiting each (again) over the next two weekends for their respective accepted students days.... hopefully that will make the decision for me!
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: kenpostudent on March 24, 2009, 06:49:27 PM
The job market is probably better in NV, despite how hard the economy has it us. The thing that most people don't realize about NV is that it has a very difficult Bar Exam. This suppresses the population of attorneys. So, there are still jobs in professional services in NV. However, there are not many big firms here, either. I was also offered a scholarship at UNLV. I will probably take it. Given that I am a local and that I know several attorneys here in town already, I see no reason to uproot myself.

Unless you intend to practice in NV, I wouldn't suggest attending UNLV, though. UNLV places well in Las Vegas, but not really anywhere else. I know of people who have gotten decent federal jobs out of UNLV, but they also graduated near the top of their class. If you intend to practice on the East Coast, go with Rutgers.
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: 1Lin09hopeful on June 01, 2009, 02:09:07 PM
So to circle back around to everyone and put closure on this discussion....

After visiting both Rutgers-Camden and UNLV, UNLV came out on top. I mean, the biggest drawback was the fear that I might like living out there too much to want to move back east!  So my seat deposit was submitted to UNLV...

...and then I withdrew the seat deposit when I was accepted to Temple! (UNLV really is wonderful, they were great and agreed not to deposit my check).  So in the end, I'm starting at Temple Univ Beasley School of Law in August. Funny how things work out!
Title: Re: UNLV vs Rutgers-Camden vs LSU?
Post by: espanol on June 01, 2009, 08:17:20 PM
So to circle back around to everyone and put closure on this discussion....

After visiting both Rutgers-Camden and UNLV, UNLV came out on top. I mean, the biggest drawback was the fear that I might like living out there too much to want to move back east!  So my seat deposit was submitted to UNLV...

...and then I withdrew the seat deposit when I was accepted to Temple! (UNLV really is wonderful, they were great and agreed not to deposit my check).  So in the end, I'm starting at Temple Univ Beasley School of Law in August. Funny how things work out!

Awesome!  Congrats on your decision, its funny I got into Temple, and waitlisted at UNLV, and UNLV was one of my top choices.  I am going to withdraw from Temple next week (to attend Rutgers-Newark), and you just accepted your seat.  Hopefully I'll have the good fortune to get on through the waitlist, but I'm OK either way.  Good luck on everything!