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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: mike mack on March 11, 2009, 07:44:20 PM

Title: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: mike mack on March 11, 2009, 07:44:20 PM
anyone know any thing about nova? just gotaccepted- is it a good school?

also if I was accepted to nova would I get accepted to FIU-

thanks
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Contract2008 on March 11, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
anyone know any thing about nova? just gotaccepted- is it a good school?

also if I was accepted to nova would I get accepted to FIU-

thanks

Not a good school at all. High percentage of students got kicked out or dropped out.  And, IF you do end up graduating and passing the bar, you will have a up hill battle competing against UF, UM, and FSU kids. 

I have said this before, I will say it again, there are only 4 law schools in Florida worth considering, and they are UF, UM, FSU, and Stetson.  In the future, I might add FIU, but not at this moment.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Contract2008 on March 11, 2009, 08:09:48 PM
   
anyone know any thing about nova? just gotaccepted- is it a good school?   
   
also if I was accepted to nova would I get accepted to FIU-   
   
thanks    
   
   
Not a good school at all. High percentage of students got kicked out or dropped out.  And, IF you do end up graduating and passing the bar, you will have a up hill battle competing against UF, UM, and FSU kids.     
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: mike mack on March 11, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
thanks for your response

i think you would be right if a person wants a job in big law being stuck in a library for 80 hours a week.

Not me i want to work in the public defenders office or da's office so im sure most graduates of those four schools would not want to work in local government for 30-40k a year but i would to get the experience for a few years then open up a office.

I reject the notion that one would not be successful unless they go to the "top four" schools in florda. I have a friend that goes to famu and interns for a lawyer that practices criminal law in orlando and graduated from barry. He makes 250k a year handling violation of probation and other criminal cases.

your right in the sense that going to those top 4 schools would give an individual a leg up in corporate law. But really lets be honest none of the schools in the southeast is no yale. I think for me the best route to go is to find the most cost effective school with a good bar pass rate so i have no debt. I have another friend that graduated from hofsta has 120k in debt and has not found a job after 9 months.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Contract2008 on March 11, 2009, 09:24:23 PM
thanks for your response

i think you would be right if a person wants a job in big law being stuck in a library for 80 hours a week.

Not me i want to work in the public defenders office or da's office so im sure most graduates of those four schools would not want to work in local government for 30-40k a year but i would to get the experience for a few years then open up a office.

I reject the notion that one would not be successful unless they go to the "top four" schools in florda. I have a friend that goes to famu and interns for a lawyer that practices criminal law in orlando and graduated from barry. He makes 250k a year handling violation of probation and other criminal cases.

your right in the sense that going to those top 4 schools would give an individual a leg up in corporate law. But really lets be honest none of the schools in the southeast is no yale. I think for me the best route to go is to find the most cost effective school with a good bar pass rate so i have no debt. I have another friend that graduated from hofsta has 120k in debt and has not found a job after 9 months.

Right....sure.  Go ahead.  Go to Nova.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: mike mack on March 11, 2009, 09:41:56 PM
not spending 30k a year to go to any school

have other options

thanks for the general input, i would add every law school has a lot of people that are kicked out/drop out from the first year.

if it was easy everyone would do it...
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: iahurricane on March 12, 2009, 01:27:25 AM
thanks for your response

i think you would be right if a person wants a job in big law being stuck in a library for 80 hours a week.

Not me i want to work in the public defenders office or da's office so im sure most graduates of those four schools would not want to work in local government for 30-40k a year but i would to get the experience for a few years then open up a office.

I reject the notion that one would not be successful unless they go to the "top four" schools in florda. I have a friend that goes to famu and interns for a lawyer that practices criminal law in orlando and graduated from barry. He makes 250k a year handling violation of probation and other criminal cases.

your right in the sense that going to those top 4 schools would give an individual a leg up in corporate law. But really lets be honest none of the schools in the southeast is no yale. I think for me the best route to go is to find the most cost effective school with a good bar pass rate so i have no debt. I have another friend that graduated from hofsta has 120k in debt and has not found a job after 9 months.

You are completely clueless. You said you don't want to stuck in a library 80 hours a week.. well the truth is in horrible schools you actually have to study more because everyone is competitive as hell. Most of them realize they have to be at the top of the class to get any jobs at all after graduation. The rest are trying to be at the top because they are trying to transfer. If you think going to a low rated school means you don't have to study as much you're going to end up dropping out.

You also might want to do research on public service jobs. They are NOT full of third tier law grads. Believe it or not there are tons of students at top tier law schools who are trying to be DA's. A lot of the times public service jobs that pay 40k a year are just as competitive as big law jobs.

Your example of a Barry grad is an exception. Terrell Owens went to Tennessee Chattanooga for football, I guess that means other football players from that school can expect to be in the NFL right?
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Contract2008 on March 12, 2009, 10:56:28 AM
not spending 30k a year to go to any school

have other options

thanks for the general input, i would add every law school has a lot of people that are kicked out/drop out from the first year.

if it was easy everyone would do it...

UF has like what, 1% or 2% of its students being kicked out after the first year.  Nova has somewhere betwen 10%-20% or more. At Nova, if you were slightly above in the upper half the class after the first year, when those bottom student are kicked out you will automatically downgraded to lower half of the lcas.   
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Ninja1 on March 12, 2009, 03:59:02 PM
I mean, Nova is good enough, but like everyone else has been saying, it's way behind the Big 3 and Stetson in FL.

And yeah, not every school has a bunch of drop outs and kick outs. Last year, FSU had 3 1Ls fail out, 3 leave, and 3 transfer out.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Aluhks on March 14, 2009, 07:17:09 PM

thanks for the general input, i would add every law school has a lot of people that are kicked out/drop out from the first year.
 

This point is simply false. See here: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/04/law-school-ra-1.html (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/04/law-school-ra-1.html)
Nova has the 19th highest 1L attrition rate among all 195 law schools.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: lyre on March 14, 2009, 08:06:35 PM
Why come here to ask if the school is any good?  It sounds like you've already made up your mind, so why bother asking?  You're receiving good, honest advice about your career opportunities from this school and all you are doing is defending it.  If you're already convinced Nova is so great, just go there.  But don't come here asking everyone to praise you about what a great school it is.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: gatorsvs on May 25, 2009, 07:05:22 AM
First off, I went to UF undergrad and graduate school and loved it.  Because I had to stay in South Florida for my family I went to Nova Law.

I am going into my 4th year as a night student.

Having said that, I think Nova is a good school.  It has good professors and a great campus.  There are always activities going on.  If you are going to stay locally, going to Nova isn't a handicap.  If you are going out of state any Florida will not look great.  UF is the best and don't count on that to open doors in NYC. 

I wouldn't rate UM above Nova.  Have you ever visited the campus or seen the classrooms? 

If you have any questions about Nova, feel free to ask me...

Darren
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Contract2008 on May 25, 2009, 10:08:45 AM
First off, I went to UF undergrad and graduate school and loved it.  Because I had to stay in South Florida for my family I went to Nova Law.

I am going into my 4th year as a night student.

Having said that, I think Nova is a good school.  It has good professors and a great campus.  There are always activities going on.  If you are going to stay locally, going to Nova isn't a handicap.  If you are going out of state any Florida will not look great.  UF is the best and don't count on that to open doors in NYC. 

I wouldn't rate UM above Nova.  Have you ever visited the campus or seen the classrooms? 

If you have any questions about Nova, feel free to ask me...

Darren

This is a warning (or advice) to all pre-law students. 

Do NOT base you decision on the size of the library, the type of wood used to make thoe cafeteria table, or the state of art of those classrooms. You have to keep in mind the reasons why you go to law school.  Is it because you want a legal job after graduation or because you want to have a nice place to go, i.e. how you would evaluate a hotel room? 

It matters very little how the law building is.  You're not buying the building.  You're going there to hopefully land a legal job after graduation.  It also bothers me somewhat when people say "I met the professors at my school and they are so nice and that's why I go there"  Com'on now, people!  Seriously.

The bottom line is JOB JOB JOB.  UM is no better than Nova when it comes to JOB....ha ha ha, only a delusional 4L would say something like that. 
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on May 25, 2009, 04:53:17 PM
First off, I went to UF undergrad and graduate school and loved it.  Because I had to stay in South Florida for my family I went to Nova Law.

I am going into my 4th year as a night student.

Having said that, I think Nova is a good school.  It has good professors and a great campus.  There are always activities going on.  If you are going to stay locally, going to Nova isn't a handicap.  If you are going out of state any Florida will not look great.  UF is the best and don't count on that to open doors in NYC. 

I wouldn't rate UM above Nova.  Have you ever visited the campus or seen the classrooms? 

If you have any questions about Nova, feel free to ask me...

Darren

Darren, with all due respect, how can you honestly say that Nova is on par with UM? 

You can't honestly tell me that you believe that. The stats don't show that. 

While Nova's not a bad school for some, it's a horrible choice for many.  Paying "sticker" price for it is not a good choice--neither is going there normally unless it's the top school into which you are accepted, and you have some special factors in your favor (which most people don't have). 

Also, as others mentioned, peruse that attrition link.  Places like Florida rarely flunk out more than 1% of their students, whereas (sadly) places like Nova flunk out 20% or more of their class regularly.  I don't say that to demean Nova or those other schools, but we can't ignore the facts. 
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on May 25, 2009, 04:58:56 PM
The bottom line is JOB JOB JOB.  UM is no better than Nova when it comes to JOB....ha ha ha, only a delusional 4L would say something like that. 

There's no need to be disrespectful on this discussion forum. 
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: jillibean on May 25, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
thanks for your response

i think you would be right if a person wants a job in big law being stuck in a library for 80 hours a week.

Not me i want to work in the public defenders office or da's office so im sure most graduates of those four schools would not want to work in local government for 30-40k a year but i would to get the experience for a few years then open up a office.

I reject the notion that one would not be successful unless they go to the "top four" schools in florda. I have a friend that goes to famu and interns for a lawyer that practices criminal law in orlando and graduated from barry. He makes 250k a year handling violation of probation and other criminal cases.

your right in the sense that going to those top 4 schools would give an individual a leg up in corporate law. But really lets be honest none of the schools in the southeast is no yale. I think for me the best route to go is to find the most cost effective school with a good bar pass rate so i have no debt. I have another friend that graduated from hofsta has 120k in debt and has not found a job after 9 months.

Government jobs like with a DA or public defender are in high demand, especially with CCRA paying off your loan balance after 10 years. Unless you have a full ride, I would go public if you plan on going the DA/pd route.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: jillibean on May 25, 2009, 05:08:59 PM
I also wanted to add, that yes UM is an ugly school. The undergrad is nice but the law school is rather bland. Nova on the other hand is very pretty. But it is rather silly to use the attractiveness of a school to determine how much better it is. That is like comparing the really ugly chicks at UVA to the hott ones at Florida Coastal- Florida Coastal lawyers are automatically better right?

UM is building a new law school though within the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Contract2008 on May 25, 2009, 09:39:22 PM
I also wanted to add, that yes UM is an ugly school. The undergrad is nice but the law school is rather bland. Nova on the other hand is very pretty. But it is rather silly to use the attractiveness of a school to determine how much better it is. That is like comparing the really ugly chicks at UVA to the hott ones at Florida Coastal- Florida Coastal lawyers are automatically better right?

UM is building a new law school though within the next 2 years.

It just blows my mind that so called professional students at this level would care that much about a building. It's almost like a presidential candidate speaking like Paris Hilton...."I would totally like having my BFF to be my VP choice." 
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: jillibean on May 26, 2009, 07:31:08 PM
I also wanted to add, that yes UM is an ugly school. The undergrad is nice but the law school is rather bland. Nova on the other hand is very pretty. But it is rather silly to use the attractiveness of a school to determine how much better it is. That is like comparing the really ugly chicks at UVA to the hott ones at Florida Coastal- Florida Coastal lawyers are automatically better right?

UM is building a new law school though within the next 2 years.

It just blows my mind that so called professional students at this level would care that much about a building. It's almost like a presidential candidate speaking like Paris Hilton...."I would totally like having my BFF to be my VP choice." 

Agreed
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: ewing.esq on February 19, 2010, 09:21:29 AM
I can speak from experience when I say that Nova is a good law school.  It's focus is on the actual practice of law versus a pure academic approach you might experience at Yale, U. Chicago, Etc...  If you plan on staying in the South Florida area, it has a very good reputation and you'll find many firm partners are alumni. (In Seattle, they've probably never heard of Nova, but down here everyone knows Nova).  You'll be surprised how many circuit court judges are Nova grads as well.  At present more than half of the judges I am litigating in front of are Nova grads.  If you plan on doing the big corporate firm thing, you'll have to place in the top 5-10% to be considered at Nova, or any other non Tier 1 school for that matter.  However, if you have no interest in the "Golden Handcuffs" of 80+ hours work week schedules, I think you'll find you're well prepared from the gate to begin practicing law.  I had a good job at a local firm one month before I passed the bar. Am I making about the same and working 1/2 the hours as a major firm associate, yes.  Am I more likely to make partner in the next few years, absolutely.

FYI - Here's the current bar passage rate ranking for July, '09:  (1) FSU, (2) U. Florida, (3) Nova, (4) U.Miami (5) Florida Coastal, (6) Stetson, (7) FIU, and the rest.

Biggest negative at Nova v. public law schools is the debt you'll have when you graduate. Of course, private is always more expensive.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on February 20, 2010, 02:26:16 PM
Any ABA school will give you the tools to become a lawyer no matter what school you go to you will Pennoyer v. Neff, Palsagraf and so on whether you read them at Harvard or Cooley. I want to say The attrition rate statistic one guy showed has a glaring omission. The reason for high attrition rates at T-4's is that they include transfers. I go to a T-4 and there is technically a 25% attrition rate, but 32 people transferred up to higher ranked schools granted 7% did not make it academically, but a lot of them were night students that were balancing careers and going to law school, which is a pretty daunting task. Then a few people truly did not put in the work and no matter where you go if you don't put in the work it is not going to work out.

It is true that the higher ranked school you go to it will be easier to find employment. I mean going to Nova will not open the same doors as going to Harvard will, but I imagine that is not a newsflash to anyone. I go to a T-4 and found a summer job that I am happy with and so have a lot of people at my school.

I have accepted that going to a T-4 I will likely not sit on the U.S. Supreme Court and the same thing is true if you go to Nova. When you start distinguishing between the T3's and T-4's I doubt an employer will care whether you to Nova, FIU,Barry.  Realistically the difference between the 91st or 123rd best school is pretty irrelevant. If you really want to be a lawyer then go to the school that works best for you geographically, financially and so on and don't get caught up in the rankings of T-3 and T-4 schools it really doesn't matter. Nova will work out if you put in the work, you probably will have a hard time getting a BIG LAW job, but if you can be satisfied making a living as a lawyer in a mid-size firm or government agency then it will work out.

Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Sheshe on February 20, 2010, 02:42:17 PM
thanks for your response

i think you would be right if a person wants a job in big law being stuck in a library for 80 hours a week.

Not me i want to work in the public defenders office or da's office so im sure most graduates of those four schools would not want to work in local government for 30-40k a year but i would to get the experience for a few years then open up a office.

I reject the notion that one would not be successful unless they go to the "top four" schools in florda. I have a friend that goes to famu and interns for a lawyer that practices criminal law in orlando and graduated from barry. He makes 250k a year handling violation of probation and other criminal cases.

your right in the sense that going to those top 4 schools would give an individual a leg up in corporate law. But really lets be honest none of the schools in the southeast is no yale. I think for me the best route to go is to find the most cost effective school with a good bar pass rate so i have no debt. I have another friend that graduated from hofsta has 120k in debt and has not found a job after 9 months.

You are completely clueless. You said you don't want to stuck in a library 80 hours a week.. well the truth is in horrible schools you actually have to study more because everyone is competitive as hell. Most of them realize they have to be at the top of the class to get any jobs at all after graduation. The rest are trying to be at the top because they are trying to transfer. If you think going to a low rated school means you don't have to study as much you're going to end up dropping out.

You also might want to do research on public service jobs. They are NOT full of third tier law grads. Believe it or not there are tons of students at top tier law schools who are trying to be DA's. A lot of the times public service jobs that pay 40k a year are just as competitive as big law jobs.

Your example of a Barry grad is an exception. Terrell Owens went to Tennessee Chattanooga for football, I guess that means other football players from that school can expect to be in the NFL right?

I so love the T.O. example!  Its so ridiculous how some people tend to hang their dreams on being another exeption to the rule when statistically there's a better chance that they'd be struck by lightening.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: alpinewhite2000 on May 12, 2010, 10:17:09 AM
I'm Canadian and thinking of applying for NOVA and other Law schools within FL. I don't know where I will be living in four years: my wife is currently in med school currently so we don't know if we will be returning to Canada for residency or moving within the States. Any suggestions?

The reasoning I have to attend is: higher education and specialty in law and can practice law anywhere in the States/Canada (providing I pass the associated bar exams of course). As a Canadian, I won't have many job opportunities when moving to FL unless I can find a company willing to sponsor on TN Visa.

Look forward to your suggestions!
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: legalized on May 17, 2010, 08:19:01 AM
not spending 30k a year to go to any school

have other options

thanks for the general input, i would add every law school has a lot of people that are kicked out/drop out from the first year.

if it was easy everyone would do it...

1. Contract did not say the other schools turn out un-successful people, he said going to any Florida school other than the big 3 and Stetson would give yourself and uphill battle in the Florida legal market. 

The market is already an uphill in itself so he was simply trying to get you the easiest way into it as possible, when limiting oneself to Florida schools only.

2. There is a distinct set of schools that have benchmark-worthy attrition rates and bar passage rates.

I do a lot of research on these schools from every angle (since the prestige angle is the only one READILY available without some legwork)...and its a minority of schools that have less than 5% average attrition AND greater than 90% bar passage rates.

Log into your LSAC account, do a school search "Detailed Search" in the ABA Guide, and only change the attrition rates you are looking for (once for <1% and once for 1%>attrition rate<5%) and for bar passage.  Don't change anything else, and hit search.

Then go back and add the search parameter for those whose tuition is less than $20,000 a year (returns instate results, out of state is often right back at $30k).  Those with these attrition and bar passage and price results are most likely the BEST bets for which schools to bother with at sticker price if not accepted to the T5.  (I said most likely, don't stop here keep researching...yes, this has become like a full time job for me). And this does not take into account their prestige rankings (US News).  Nor the cost if you are out of state and not getting a scholarship.  Nor the location in which you prefer to live and work after graduation (a high priority in choosing schools if you simply can't live in certain states for the rest of your life or are not attending a T10).

So evaluate Nova against things that matter (attrition, bar passage, where you wish to practice and which schools' grads are most prevalent in practice there, etc.) and make a decision from there as to whether its any good.

Or you can just go with the US News' easy answer which outside of the T14 is "not really" and past the T1 (first 50) is "no."

I suggest doing more research than that though because it necessarily has a Northeast corridor bias.

And there will be schools that have "softs" that outweigh these hardcore metrics, depending on what matters to you.  A school that is the only law school in your state is one obvious exception to all the rules. Howard law if you want biglaw access outside the T14 and are black or other URM is another.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: legalized on May 23, 2010, 01:37:57 PM
I want to say The attrition rate statistic one guy showed has a glaring omission. The reason for high attrition rates at T-4's is that they include transfers. I go to a T-4 and there is technically a 25% attrition rate, but 32 people transferred up to higher ranked schools granted 7% did not make it academically, but a lot of them were night students that were balancing careers and going to law school, which is a pretty daunting task. Then a few people truly did not put in the work and no matter where you go if you don't put in the work it is not going to work out.

Hmmmm.  Had not taken into account the percentage of the total attrition that were transfers out.

The 32 transfers were out of a class of how many students?

Good point though, now I have to pay attention to what the attrition is for.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: cooleylawstudent on May 23, 2010, 02:36:49 PM
You'd think that the ABA would do the leg work on that one, but I guess not huh? :-\

I want to say The attrition rate statistic one guy showed has a glaring omission. The reason for high attrition rates at T-4's is that they include transfers. I go to a T-4 and there is technically a 25% attrition rate, but 32 people transferred up to higher ranked schools granted 7% did not make it academically, but a lot of them were night students that were balancing careers and going to law school, which is a pretty daunting task. Then a few people truly did not put in the work and no matter where you go if you don't put in the work it is not going to work out.

Hmmmm.  Had not taken into account the percentage of the total attrition that were transfers out.

The 32 transfers were out of a class of how many students?

Good point though, now I have to pay attention to what the attrition is for.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on May 24, 2010, 09:23:32 AM
They do technically on LSAC if you really look, because they show  how many transfers out and they have other as a category for attrition, but it is really not clear.  I needed to submit some parole evidence to clarify ;D so cheezy haha. 

They really should make it more clear, because you see 24% attrition rate combined with all the ludicrous rumors of tier 4's having to kick out 25% of the class you start to believe it, but then you realize that about 50% of that 24% actually did really well first semester and transferred to better schools, whether transferring makes sense is a whole other discussion, because I think generally it is retarded, but there are exceptions.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: sonofapickle on May 24, 2010, 09:48:26 AM
thanks for your response

i think you would be right if a person wants a job in big law being stuck in a library for 80 hours a week.

Not me i want to work in the public defenders office or da's office so im sure most graduates of those four schools would not want to work in local government for 30-40k a year but i would to get the experience for a few years then open up a office.

I reject the notion that one would not be successful unless they go to the "top four" schools in florda. I have a friend that goes to famu and interns for a lawyer that practices criminal law in orlando and graduated from barry. He makes 250k a year handling violation of probation and other criminal cases.

your right in the sense that going to those top 4 schools would give an individual a leg up in corporate law. But really lets be honest none of the schools in the southeast is no yale. I think for me the best route to go is to find the most cost effective school with a good bar pass rate so i have no debt. I have another friend that graduated from hofsta has 120k in debt and has not found a job after 9 months.

You are completely clueless. You said you don't want to stuck in a library 80 hours a week.. well the truth is in horrible schools you actually have to study more because everyone is competitive as hell. Most of them realize they have to be at the top of the class to get any jobs at all after graduation. The rest are trying to be at the top because they are trying to transfer. If you think going to a low rated school means you don't have to study as much you're going to end up dropping out.

You also might want to do research on public service jobs. They are NOT full of third tier law grads. Believe it or not there are tons of students at top tier law schools who are trying to be DA's. A lot of the times public service jobs that pay 40k a year are just as competitive as big law jobs.

Your example of a Barry grad is an exception. Terrell Owens went to Tennessee Chattanooga for football, I guess that means other football players from that school can expect to be in the NFL right?

This is the most idiotic post. At most horrible schools, the students tend to be equally horrible. Horrible schools are horrible for a reason. If they were turning out qualified, highly graded students, then the school would not be horrible and would actually be a school that turns out actual professional lawyers.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: cooleylawstudent on May 24, 2010, 10:09:45 AM
says the guy who keeps talking about his backup plans "if" he fails out of MN..... ::)

thanks for your response

i think you would be right if a person wants a job in big law being stuck in a library for 80 hours a week.

Not me i want to work in the public defenders office or da's office so im sure most graduates of those four schools would not want to work in local government for 30-40k a year but i would to get the experience for a few years then open up a office.

I reject the notion that one would not be successful unless they go to the "top four" schools in florda. I have a friend that goes to famu and interns for a lawyer that practices criminal law in orlando and graduated from barry. He makes 250k a year handling violation of probation and other criminal cases.

your right in the sense that going to those top 4 schools would give an individual a leg up in corporate law. But really lets be honest none of the schools in the southeast is no yale. I think for me the best route to go is to find the most cost effective school with a good bar pass rate so i have no debt. I have another friend that graduated from hofsta has 120k in debt and has not found a job after 9 months.

You are completely clueless. You said you don't want to stuck in a library 80 hours a week.. well the truth is in horrible schools you actually have to study more because everyone is competitive as hell. Most of them realize they have to be at the top of the class to get any jobs at all after graduation. The rest are trying to be at the top because they are trying to transfer. If you think going to a low rated school means you don't have to study as much you're going to end up dropping out.

You also might want to do research on public service jobs. They are NOT full of third tier law grads. Believe it or not there are tons of students at top tier law schools who are trying to be DA's. A lot of the times public service jobs that pay 40k a year are just as competitive as big law jobs.

Your example of a Barry grad is an exception. Terrell Owens went to Tennessee Chattanooga for football, I guess that means other football players from that school can expect to be in the NFL right?

This is the most idiotic post. At most horrible schools, the students tend to be equally horrible. Horrible schools are horrible for a reason. If they were turning out qualified, highly graded students, then the school would not be horrible and would actually be a school that turns out actual professional lawyers.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: sonofapickle on May 24, 2010, 10:13:00 AM
My plans are to go to an Ivy League or Northwestern. While you go to Cooley because you didn't cut it for an actual law school, doesn't mean I am in the same boat. You had to go to the military because you obviously didn't cut it for a scholarship, then go to a community college for law because you, again, didn't cut it. I do cut it obviously.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: cooleylawstudent on May 24, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
yeah, and yet you keep saying "daddy cant afford to send me there" "I plan to live with daddy untill I graduate and two years after that too" and you live in MN. Which Ivy Leagues do you think are in MN?

My plans are to go to an Ivy League or Northwestern. While you go to Cooley because you didn't cut it for an actual law school, doesn't mean I am in the same boat. You had to go to the military because you obviously didn't cut it for a scholarship, then go to a community college for law because you, again, didn't cut it. I do cut it obviously.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: sonofapickle on May 24, 2010, 10:26:14 AM
You can't read nor comprehend obviously. I said, I will be living with my parents until I am finished with undergrad, then when I do pass the LSAT with my intended score, I plan on going to either Harvard, Yal, Stanford, Northwestern, or NYU. Basically, an out-of-state school. Although, Minnesota does have some good schools of law like Mitchell (if you want to practice in the MN market) and the U of M, which both are better than Cooley.

 If you want to go on a tangent bull post about MN. It is projected that Minnesota will be a sought after state by most people. Its population rate if going up, the job market in the sciences, securities, businesses, real estate, income, and even job outlook is rising as well. We didn't experience a real estate collapse like most other states. That should tell you something.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: legalized on May 24, 2010, 11:11:49 AM
You can't read nor comprehend obviously. I said, I will be living with my parents until I am finished with undergrad, then when I do pass the LSAT with my intended score, I plan on going to either Harvard, Yal, Stanford, Northwestern, or NYU. Basically, an out-of-state school. Although, Minnesota does have some good schools of law like Mitchell (if you want to practice in the MN market) and the U of M, which both are better than Cooley.

 If you want to go on a tangent bull post about MN. It is projected that Minnesota will be a sought after state by most people. Its population rate if going up, the job market in the sciences, securities, businesses, real estate, income, and even job outlook is rising as well. We didn't experience a real estate collapse like most other states. That should tell you something.

lol I've been there, isn't MN buried under a hundred feet of snow and ice every year?
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: sonofapickle on May 24, 2010, 11:27:30 AM
Yes, but that does not take away from its growth factor. That is only a few months out of the winter calender anyway. In the summer we don't go much over 90 degrees and the state is beautiful during all seasons of the year. The fall is even more nice. One of the reasons why I am going to practice law in this state is because it is relatively peaceful, beautiful, and job growth is going up.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on May 24, 2010, 12:35:48 PM
What undergrad did you go to that makes you so amazing first off. Then when will you take the actual LSAT, how are you criticizing people for something you have not even done yourself yet

. I have one final question have you EVER had a job In your entire life?  Working for your parents does not count.  You write as if you have never worked a day in your life, am I right in that assumption?

Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: sonofapickle on May 24, 2010, 02:20:58 PM
I currently attend Carleton which is a tier 1 and ranked 8th in all the Midwestern colleges. It is very hard to get into Carleton though because they like to keep the college small and keeps its prestigious image. Not only that, Carleton believes its a college that fosters and creates more students valuable to society than any other college. The curriculum and competition is rough. Mainly due to most students being above average IQ and going to prep school, some from public schools, the competition is rough. You have to be at a 3.3 to just be the average student. Students with a 3.8 and above get on the deans list and are considered near the top percentile, but the top percentile are those with a 3.9 and 4.0.

I criticize him for not applying logic to his post which is within my right to do so as an American and a person who would like people to uphold logic as well. You certainly need to do just that.

What would you consider a job? I have done volunteer work in the legal field that I did not get paid for and did not want to get paid for. I did some inner city tutoring when I was 18, helping high school students get a better grade in math and science. But, in terms of actually holding a paid job, no, I did not need to hold a job as I had money of my own that was given to me by my parents. No need to work a menial job when you are given more per week than what you would get working in a retail department. My volunteer work was much better anyway as I was helping people become better, and helping myself be more prepared for law. I still do volunteer work. In any case, I have never held a job that I was actually paid for and had a consistent salary.


I will be taking the LSAT in the fall to answer your last question. When I do get a high score, I will confirm it with a picture with me in it and possibly a video just to prove it. Pictures can be doctored, so a video will suffice.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on May 24, 2010, 05:07:42 PM
Oh Carleton 8th in the Midwestern Colleges NO WAY!!!! What are the 7 schools ranked higher Timbuktu State? Well I have never heard of this "prestigious" school and I imagine neither have a lot of people.  I went to Chico State which is the 2nd best 4 year college in California North of Sacramento so eat that. 

Well the day you take the Real LSAT and work a REAL job then start talking dude. Believe it or not when you graduate law school you will not be appointed to the Supreme Court and you will not be a partner you will have to be the lowest rung lawyer when you graduate and do real work and even have to do  some document review no matter what school you went to,. Believe it or not people won't pay you to sit around telling them how smart you are and an internship and real job are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.  The only way to learn that lesson is to actually work, but with the way you write and think I don't know if anyone will actually ever pay you to do anything.

It is quite easy to do a good job as a volunteer, because nobody has any expectations of you, it is for free.  Nobody cares what you do the day someone starts paying you then the standards get a lot f'ing higher and if you want one of these BigLaw jobs you will have real pressure, because if someone is going to pay you 200k you better damn will be worth it and that will be pressure, which you have obviously never experienced.

Fine take the LSAT that is the bare minimum of anything and even if you get a 180 that is the first step and you can still finish dead last in whatever law school go to. The day you start your first day of law school your LSAT will not mean jack.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: sonofapickle on May 24, 2010, 05:57:11 PM
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/northfield-mn/carleton-college-2340

^ Carleton, the school I attend currently. By the way, I will be taking the LSAT this fall and I bet I will score higher than your measly 155.

The way I think and write and me not being paid to do anything is completely irrelevant to what I will do once I am in the employment field. Right now, I speak and write in two different manners. Here, I am more informal and now more hostile, when I am writing basic 6 page essays and the like, I am much more formal and less hostile. I think I will get further as my intelligence is above that of 140 which is already high enough. Most kids in law school are just gifted students.




Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on May 24, 2010, 06:09:44 PM
8th best liberal arts college neat that's getting pretty specific I am sure a lot of admissions committees will have never heard of it and won't care. Anyways, by all means get a 180 on the LSAT get straight A's and get a BigLaw job and then you can say how easy law school was and how all your experiences helped you land a great job. Until then you have no idea what will happen so you are talking out of your a**. You have even taken the first step into going to law school, which is the LSAT that is the first baby step and you haven't even taken that yet so you have no idea what you are talking about. By all means prove me wrong, but until all that happens you can't really say anything and neither can I, because I am only a 1L and you are a 0L who has not even taken the LSAT yet.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: cooleylawstudent on May 24, 2010, 06:19:38 PM
I think that its funny how he plans to leave daddys house now(all of the sudden) but still wants to move back in for 2 years latter after graduation,

Mommy going to keep teddy and your onesie just as you left them while your gone? :'(
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: sonofapickle on May 24, 2010, 06:33:13 PM
At least I had parents who weren't constantly on drugs...
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: cooleylawstudent on May 24, 2010, 07:30:30 PM
Son, dont lie we both know your mother was on valium to keep her from killing herself due to the depression you gave her. When we had to bury her from an overdose was the sadest day on your grandmothers life, she never did recover, shame on you for brining up such things.......... :-[
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: HardWorking on June 13, 2010, 09:05:07 AM
This is a horrible law school.  If you plan on moving out of Florida, then good luck having people recognize the name of your law school.  Let people lie to you, particularly people who attend this horrible school but, the truth is that as a Tier 4 graduate you will have a hell of a time trying to find a decent or good-paying job when you are competing with graduates of good schools.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 13, 2010, 10:11:58 AM
If you plan moving out of state at about any law school the odds are not that good. Shockingly the majority of law schools are regional whether they are ranked 82nd or 172nd. Most people in New Hampshire will have no idea what Santa Clara University is and most people in San Jose will have never heard of Franklin Pierce.  Going to a tier 4 is not the same as Harvard, but if you graduate and pass the bar you can get and likely will get a job as an attorney somewhere. That is if  you actually look for a job. The reality is nobody will hand you anything coming from Nova or most schools it is up to you to make it happen.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: HardWorking on June 13, 2010, 01:10:57 PM
If you plan moving out of state at about any law school the odds are not that good. Shockingly the majority of law schools are regional whether they are ranked 82nd or 172nd. Most people in New Hampshire will have no idea what Santa Clara University is and most people in San Jose will have never heard of Franklin Pierce.  Going to a tier 4 is not the same as Harvard, but if you graduate and pass the bar you can get and likely will get a job as an attorney somewhere. That is if  you actually look for a job. The reality is nobody will hand you anything coming from Nova or most schools it is up to you to make it happen.

You make a very good point.  I just want people to realize that unless you go to a school that has a name, you may have a hard time finding a job.  Even if you apply to South Carolina, which I think is ranked in the tier 4 or Michigan State, which is ranked in the tier 3, going to some place like Nova Law School will not help you in the long run.  You are better off going and getting a masters or phd from a good school than heading to a tier 4 law school.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 13, 2010, 01:18:23 PM
...if you graduate and pass the bar you can get and likely will get a job as an attorney somewhere. That is if  you actually look for a job.

I don't think even this much is true, honestly.  I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "likely," certainly.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Cicero on June 13, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
That is certainly disheartening. :(  The economy is definitely in terrible shape right now and it doesn't seem to be getting better. I currently go to a T-4 and the job opportunity issue is one of the biggest reasons I'm trying to transfer.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 13, 2010, 05:15:07 PM
Yes graduating from a no-name school in any profession is tough. If you get a computer science degree from Stanford you will have more job opportunities than someone from San Jose State. It is not a news flash and yes going to law school is a risk. That is the bottom line and so is any type of education if you want to play it safe when you graduate high school go work at a bank and you will promoted to a loan broker or bank manager by the time your 25. You will have no educational debt and be fine. It will be kind of boring, but it is the safe choice. If you go to law school it CAN end up real bad or real good. I know two people that went to Hastings who have now failed the bar twice. Hastings is a pretty respected school, but they can't pass the bar so they are kind of screwed. I know a guy who graduated from Cal Northern who passed the bar and is working as a an associate making a 100K a year.

I don't know of any educational path that guarantees you a job. Believe it or not even doctors have to find jobs and they make jack sh** during residency. To get an M.D. is more debt than law school and you have to go through a long residency I think 5 years at least at my friend's hospital and he is locked in at 50K a year for 5 years and in more than 100K in educational debt. I feel like people in law school think if you get an M.D. you just get shi*t handed to you and that is not the case either. Baffling as it might be getting a professional degree is a huge commitment and a big risk. People don't hand out jobs and getting hired as a lawyer, doctor, etc is hard to do. You will probably get a few rejections along the way no matter what school you went to and if you can't handle that you are not going to be able to handle yourself in a courtroom.

Life is hard at the end of the day just getting a J.D. does not mean law firms will gather around the stage  for graduation and give you a 100k a year contract. Your going to have to go out and find a job and explain to them why they should pay you to work for them. Big difference between school and work is that you are paying the school to be there and a job is paying you and as result the standard in a job is a lot higher than at school.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 13, 2010, 05:26:08 PM
That is certainly disheartening. :(  The economy is definitely in terrible shape right now and it doesn't seem to be getting better. I currently go to a T-4 and the job opportunity issue is one of the biggest reasons I'm trying to transfer.

Sorry, I don't mean to be discouraging.  :(  I just want people to have realistic expectations, so that they can plan accordingly.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: Cicero on June 13, 2010, 05:33:35 PM
Oh, it's ok. It's just that the idea that someone could really put so much time and effort into earning the degree and into securing a job and still end up working at McD's (or even worse to be so overqualified that even McD's wouldn't hire them) is disheartening. I knew it would be an uphill battle when I enrolled in a T-4. I worked my butt off the 1st year and it went really well, so I'm hoping to move to a better school in the hopes that it will put me a little bit closer to the top of the hill. (**Fingers crossed**) However, if transferring doesn't work, the hard work earned a much bigger scholarship, so I won't be in as much debt and will be able to take a lower paying job if need be.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 13, 2010, 05:45:53 PM
Well in California baby lawyer it is generally likely to find a job. In other states maybe it is different, but passing the bar here is literally so difficult that merely doing it can often get you a job. That is why we are basically the only state that has State Bar approved schools and odds are that you will not end up working at McDonald's with a J.D. Maybe I will end up there, but at the moment I am being paid to work at a law firm and I argue motions in court because in California at least you can be certified to argue motions in court if you are currently enrolled in Evidence. On the application to get certified to appear in court it simply asks do you go to an ABA school and nothing more. It can be Cooley or Stanford as long as it is ABA approved and you can argue motions in court. 

What school did you go to and what state do you work in baby lawyer I am just curious? No insults will come from me I just wanted to know, because I really think California is a whole different ball game in regards to the legal profession than most states. 

Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 13, 2010, 06:09:35 PM
Oh, it's ok. It's just that the idea that someone could really put so much time and effort into earning the degree and into securing a job and still end up working at McD's (or even worse to be so overqualified that even McD's wouldn't hire them) is disheartening. I knew it would be an uphill battle when I enrolled in a T-4. I worked my butt off the 1st year and it went really well, so I'm hoping to move to a better school in the hopes that it will put me a little bit closer to the top of the hill. (**Fingers crossed**) However, if transferring doesn't work, the hard work earned a much bigger scholarship, so I won't be in as much debt and will be able to take a lower paying job if need be.

I understand and I agree.  It bothers me that there are people out there working hard, doing what people tell them they're supposed to be doing, and still getting screwed.  :(

For what it's worth, I know people who managed to do okay (or better) for themselves coming out of T4 schools, so hopefully your story will end up the way their stories did.  I'd like to note that the people who fared well were the people who kept their debt in check, which it sounds like you're doing.  :)

Well in California baby lawyer it is generally likely to find a job. In other states maybe it is different, but passing the bar here is literally so difficult that merely doing it can often get you a job. That is why we are basically the only state that has State Bar approved schools and odds are that you will not end up working at McDonald's with a J.D. Maybe I will end up there, but at the moment I am being paid to work at a law firm and I argue motions in court because in California at least you can be certified to argue motions in court if you are currently enrolled in Evidence. On the application to get certified to appear in court it simply asks do you go to an ABA school and nothing more. It can be Cooley or Stanford as long as it is ABA approved and you can argue motions in court. 

What school did you go to and what state do you work in baby lawyer I am just curious? No insults will come from me I just wanted to know, because I really think California is a whole different ball game in regards to the legal profession than most states. 

:D I totally forgot about the Cali bar being ridiculously hard.  You win that one. 

Me?  I prefer not to give away too many personal details.  Let's just say I went to a top 10 school and work in the Northeast.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 13, 2010, 06:45:53 PM
Well there will be ridiculous debt from any ABA school, which makes no sense. I feel like the halls should be made of solid gold if you are charging students 30,000 a year. 

In your experience as a lawyer I am sure you have worked with people from Harvard and people from tier 4's in the state you are in. At the end of the day I imagine if they do a good job then you won't care about the name of their school. That is what I have noticed in my very limited experience, but you clearly know more.

I would say in response to the OP regarding Nova it is a law school and shockingly enough they will teach you the law. There are better schools out there without question, but choosing a law school is a very personal decision and no matter where you go there are no guarantees.  No ABA school is setting out to ruin your life, but use common sense and realize a person from Harvard is probably going get an interview before a Nova Grad.

After my 1L which is a baby step in the legal profession I got more job offers than a few people I know that went to Hastings, Santa Clara and USF. I applied to more jobs probably and I worked harder at networking etc than they did that probably had a lot to do with it. I am sure the people at those schools probably smarter than me since I am far from a genius, but if you don't apply to things you could be number #1 at Harvard most places are not going to know about you unless you let them know you exist. I went to GGU not expected anything to be handed to me in the legal profession and GGU has not really busted it's ass to help, but God helps those who help themselves.

 I already learned what happens when you act like a premadona, expect people to hand you things and act like you are better than everybody else from my basketball career. Now I know you have to bust your ass no matter who you are or where you are from. Sadly even if you do everything right it might not work out and that will suck, but I will put some blame on myself if I don't pass the bar or get a job. GGU does not owe me a job and they can't guarantee I will pass the bar.  GGU is supposed to teach me the law and give me the right to sit for a bar examination in any state. If I get anymore from GGU that is awesome, but I won't hold my breath and if you expect more than that from your school then you are probably going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 15, 2010, 04:40:23 PM
In your experience as a lawyer I am sure you have worked with people from Harvard and people from tier 4's in the state you are in. At the end of the day I imagine if they do a good job then you won't care about the name of their school. That is what I have noticed in my very limited experience, but you clearly know more.

Just a little bit.  The problem is that only rarely is the Tier 4 grad given the opportunity to compete at the same level as the Harvard grad.  Once given the chance, the importance of the school name drops off a good deal.  Getting to that point is the problem.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 16, 2010, 04:23:30 PM
Yea it will be a lot harder to get something out of a tier 4. I really draw the basketball analogy that coming from Harvard etc  is like being 7'4 you will get a shot even if you are terrible.

If you are 6'6 it is like going to a tier 4 you have some potential, but you are going to have to be special or work extremely hard to make it.  Your path will also be way harder than the 7'4 guy and the 7'4 guy would not really understand what 6'6 guy has to do or expects.

Also a person that goes to an elite school 95% of the time has a WAY DIFFERENT upbringing and expectations of their education.  That is what aggravates me about this board people that go to Harvard don't become public defenders it just doesn't happen. However, many people at my tier 4 went to law school to become public defenders and that is where a lot of people are working this summer. They had no expectation or desire to  work at a Big Law Firm, but GGU got them where they wanted to go the Public Defender's office. At the end of the day law school is a highly personal decision and what would make person happy would make another person miserable.  The job opportunities I will have would probably appall a Harvard Grad or even you as a graduate of a Top 10 school. 

However, I am personally fine with the opportunities I have currently. When I started law school I wanted to work in a small law firm and that is what I am doing.  I had no desire to sit on the Supreme Court or become President of the United States and I couldn't even if I wanted to from GGU. The reason I choose the school  is that I wanted to live in the Bay Area and I find the law interesting.  With those two crazy criteria I decided to go to law school in San Francisco so I could be a lawyer in San Francisco. There probably will not be any newspaper articles written about me ever and I won't change the world. I would like to help a few people with their legal problems when I am a lawyer and if I do that it will good enough for me. I don't need a Benz or a 1,000,000 house and I didn't expect when I decided to go to GGU.

Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 17, 2010, 02:20:21 AM
Also a person that goes to an elite school 95% of the time has a WAY DIFFERENT upbringing and expectations of their education. 

I'm confused as to why you think this.  The upbringing part, anyway.

That is what aggravates me about this board people that go to Harvard don't become public defenders it just doesn't happen.

This is also not true.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 17, 2010, 08:12:11 AM
You are right the upbringing part is generally not true, but I think expectations are different for Harvard grads than tier 4 grads.  You are also right that some people do become public defenders from elite schools.  I am only speculating that most do not go to Harvard or Yale to become public defenders. If they did go to those schools solely to become public defenders it  probably would have been better to go to a lower ranked school and received a massive scholarship.

I would compare it to someone who wants to be an elementary school teacher they should just go to a cheap college they can get their credential at. A teaching credential from Stanford will get you a job as an elementary school, but so will one from Chico State so why not just pay 2,000 a year instead of having this amazing degree for 40,000 if all you want is to be an elementary school teacher that will not be paid that well.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 17, 2010, 11:14:39 AM
Also a person that goes to an elite school 95% of the time has a WAY DIFFERENT upbringing and expectations of their education. 

I'm confused as to why you think this.  The upbringing part, anyway.

I also want to point out how this bothered you as there is a stereotype that people who go to T14's only got their because of their family, or they don't understand how the real world works, they don't have good interview skills etc. I am sure that is not the case, but people say it and it bugs you. Particularly coming from me who has never set foot on an Ivy league Campus.

 Just like it bugs me when people that go to Harvard or Georgetown comment on how things will turn out for someone at a Tier 4 school. If you got into Harvard etc you did not even consider California Western, Southwestern, University of Baltimore, or GGU and you know very little about those schools.  It aggravates me when people talk like they are experts about something they know nothing about and a person that goes to Harvard likely does and probably should have higher expectations when they graduate than someone from Cooley.

As a result of this what would be terrible to a Harvard Grad often times would be perfectly acceptable to someone from Cooley. Acceptable could be working as a public defender in a Po Dunk town and there are plenty of people that want that. An Ivy League Grad probably would be appalled by that.  I am only assuming since I don't go to an Ivy League school or even know anyone that goes to an Ivy League School. Maybe everyone at Harvard strives to be a public defender in Weed, California but I would be willing to bet large sums of money they don't. If they hear that people from GGU or Cooley are working in such a job they would say how awful for that person, but it is likely they are happy with it.

Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: cooleylawstudent on June 17, 2010, 07:23:14 PM
Whats wrog with getting a JD and being an elementry school teacher? Don't those kids deserve an education from someone who a brain vs the usual washouts that end up in public schools?
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 17, 2010, 09:23:38 PM
That is also a sterotype plenty of teachers are talented. Can you belive that teachers get laid off though the market is so oversaturated and some peeople have trouble finding jobs. It is the worst decision of your life don't become a teacher OH MY GOD!! AHHH the horror the humanity. 

Get a teaching credential if you want to be a teacher, go to law school if you want to be a lawyer, go to medical school if you want to be a doctor, go to the police academcy if you want to be a cop, go to cosmetology school if you want to be a hairdress. Pretty freaking simple logic and that end of the day some people's dreams of becoming a cosmetolgoist might not come true maybe they will fail the licensing exam if there is one or fail out of school. People form Med School might not make it either. Education is a risk no matter what profession you are in or what school you go to.  There are no guarantees from Harvard or Western Career College. Even if someone from Harvard finishes number #1 in their class maybe they will hate the actual practice of law and a guy who finishes dead last at Cooley will be stoked to make 40k a year in Bum F**k Alaska.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: cooleylawstudent on June 17, 2010, 10:18:12 PM
you clearly never went to public schools. Most are union you do 5 years you have a job for life even if you stab a kid in the face.

That is also a sterotype plenty of teachers are talented. Can you belive that teachers get laid off though the market is so oversaturated and some peeople have trouble finding jobs. It is the worst decision of your life don't become a teacher OH MY GOD!! AHHH the horror the humanity. 

Get a teaching credential if you want to be a teacher, go to law school if you want to be a lawyer, go to medical school if you want to be a doctor, go to the police academcy if you want to be a cop, go to cosmetology school if you want to be a hairdress. Pretty freaking simple logic and that end of the day some people's dreams of becoming a cosmetolgoist might not come true maybe they will fail the licensing exam if there is one or fail out of school. People form Med School might not make it either. Education is a risk no matter what profession you are in or what school you go to.  There are no guarantees from Harvard or Western Career College. Even if someone from Harvard finishes number #1 in their class maybe they will hate the actual practice of law and a guy who finishes dead last at Cooley will be stoked to make 40k a year in Bum F**k Alaska.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 19, 2010, 06:12:38 AM
I also want to point out how this bothered you as there is a stereotype that people who go to T14's only got their because of their family, or they don't understand how the real world works, they don't have good interview skills etc. I am sure that is not the case, but people say it and it bugs you. Particularly coming from me who has never set foot on an Ivy league Campus.

It bothers me because it's wrong, not so much because of who's saying it.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 20, 2010, 11:36:09 AM
Just like it is wrong that tier 4's have to kick out the bottom 25% of their class that is completely false. It is impossible to get a job from a tier 4 again completely false. It bugs me when people who have not even set foot on a tier 4 campus talk as if they are experts on it and say completely wrong things. Maybe they know someone who failed out of a tier 4 or did not pass the bar and yea that happens, but that is not how it turns out for the majority of tier 4 students who put the work in

I am sure there were people that fit the Ivy League stereotype perfectly at your school, but that is far from the majority I am sure. 
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 20, 2010, 11:48:02 AM
Just like it is wrong that tier 4's have to kick out the bottom 25% of their class that is completely false. It is impossible to get a job from a tier 4 again completely false. It bugs me when people who have not even set foot on a tier 4 campus talk as if they are experts on it and say completely wrong things. Maybe they know someone who failed out of a tier 4 or did not pass the bar and yea that happens, but that is not how it turns out for the majority of tier 4 students who put the work in

I am sure there were people that fit the Ivy League stereotype perfectly at your school, but that is far from the majority I am sure.

Wait, are you suggesting that I've said things that are completely wrong?  Because neither example you throw out is anything resembling things that I've said.  ???
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 20, 2010, 12:15:11 PM
No not you other people, read the GGU thread on this forum for the individual schools. Where people say you will be relegated to working at McDonald's they kick out everybody blah blah that kind of b.s.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 20, 2010, 12:48:02 PM
No not you other people, read the GGU thread on this forum for the individual schools. Where people say you will be relegated to working at McDonald's they kick out everybody blah blah that kind of b.s.

You'll note that I try very hard not to exaggerate.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: cooleylawstudent on June 20, 2010, 03:23:32 PM
 :P

No not you other people, read the GGU thread on this forum for the individual schools. Where people say you will be relegated to working at McDonald's they kick out everybody blah blah that kind of b.s.

You'll note that I try very hard not to exaggerate.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: the white rabbit on June 20, 2010, 03:38:40 PM
:P

No not you other people, read the GGU thread on this forum for the individual schools. Where people say you will be relegated to working at McDonald's they kick out everybody blah blah that kind of b.s.

You'll note that I try very hard not to exaggerate.

It's good practice.  People believe you less on everything when they think you're exaggerating on anything.  Generally, anyway.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: bigs5068 on June 20, 2010, 05:01:05 PM
That is why I post here because it is very scary for people considering tier 4/3 schools when people exaggerate horror stories such as 25% of the class gets kicked out. Not that you did, but people do and it is scary and you don't know or what to believe. All I am trying to say ever is that GGU and tier 4's are not some horrible places where the professors are doing meth during class. It is a law school and people are quite smart and the professors have a lot of experience and are quite knowledgeable. You learn the law at any law school that is the point of it. Use your common sense and know that Nova or Barry will not open the same doors as Harvard, but they are not terrible places bent on ruining your life. If you want to be a lawyer then go to law school that is it nothing else can be said about it. It will be more difficult to make money find employment from Nova, but it will be far from impossible and odds are you will end up with something.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: legalized on March 24, 2011, 12:03:58 PM
That is why I post here because it is very scary for people considering tier 4/3 schools when people exaggerate horror stories such as 25% of the class gets kicked out. Not that you did, but people do and it is scary and you don't know or what to believe. All I am trying to say ever is that GGU and tier 4's are not some horrible places where the professors are doing meth during class. It is a law school and people are quite smart and the professors have a lot of experience and are quite knowledgeable. You learn the law at any law school that is the point of it. Use your common sense and know that Nova or Barry will not open the same doors as Harvard, but they are not terrible places bent on ruining your life. If you want to be a lawyer then go to law school that is it nothing else can be said about it. It will be more difficult to make money find employment from Nova, but it will be far from impossible and odds are you will end up with something.

Honestly I don't think people analyze the drop out rate properly.

It's a GOOD thing the poorer ranked schools kick out folks in high numbers...it proves they are teaching the same thing the higher ranked schools are teaching.

Just the higher ranked schools if you get in you know their admissions standards pretty much ensure you have what it takes to graduate and become a lawyer (watch the bar pass rate)...while the lower ranked schools getting in means nothing really cause they WILL let you in knowing full well you can't make the cut.

One type of schools does all its filtering before the first day of class.

The other type does half the filtering before and half the filtering after...

I am not applying to any schools with drop out rates in the double digits. Sorry I want to know that after all my hard damn work trying to get in, once I'm in I'd have to be actually trying to fail out to fail out.
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: FalconJimmy on March 24, 2011, 12:50:03 PM
I am not applying to any schools with drop out rates in the double digits. Sorry I want to know that after all my hard damn work trying to get in, once I'm in I'd have to be actually trying to fail out to fail out.

But don't you think that wouldn't apply to you no matter where you go?  The lower tiered schools aren't booting out their best students.

I agree with your logic:  they're opening the doors wide, giving opportunities to people who otherwise couldn't go.  But if they can't hack it, they're sending them packing. 

If you're a person who could get admitted to better schools than that, if you went to the lower ranked school, you wouldn't be one of the folks they're weeding out, right? 
Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: legalized on March 25, 2011, 06:21:36 AM
I am not applying to any schools with drop out rates in the double digits. Sorry I want to know that after all my hard damn work trying to get in, once I'm in I'd have to be actually trying to fail out to fail out.

But don't you think that wouldn't apply to you no matter where you go?  The lower tiered schools aren't booting out their best students.

I agree with your logic:  they're opening the doors wide, giving opportunities to people who otherwise couldn't go.  But if they can't hack it, they're sending them packing. 

If you're a person who could get admitted to better schools than that, if you went to the lower ranked school, you wouldn't be one of the folks they're weeding out, right?

Good point.  I might reconsider then and phrase it as: if the ONLY schools that will accept me have double-digit attrition rates, I won't go to law school.

I guess I would have one more wrench in the works if I'm accepted nearly everywhere I decide to apply...but only get a full scholarship from one with high failure rates...cause I want to have the freedom to exercise ALL options of a JD immediately upon graduation...can't do that adding too much debt to what I already have.  And if i stop working to do law school...I would need the financial aid to live off, not to be sucked up by tuition.

Title: Re: Nova Law School- Any good??
Post by: FLA_LAW on April 29, 2011, 05:07:44 PM
anyone know any thing about nova? just gotaccepted- is it a good school?

also if I was accepted to nova would I get accepted to FIU-

thanks

Not a good school at all. High percentage of students got kicked out or dropped out.  And, IF you do end up graduating and passing the bar, you will have a up hill battle competing against UF, UM, and FSU kids. 

I have said this before, I will say it again, there are only 4 law schools in Florida worth considering, and they are UF, UM, FSU, and Stetson.  In the future, I might add FIU, but not at this moment.

You are ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT.  As a soon-to-be graduate of NSU Law, I would tell you to do your homework.  NSU Law has the THIRD HIGHEST Bar passage rate in the state of Florida (i.e. HIGHER than Florida, UM, AND Stetson).  And, the only reason that we were ranked third is because Ava Maria Law School had 1 (ONE!) student take the Florida Bar, and that 1 (ONE!) student passed, giving them a 100% passage rate.  Nova has one of the highest GPA normalizations in the COUNTRY (at a 2.67).  This means that it's much harder to stay in the program, and the people who do happen to become outstanding lawyers.  The only reason NSU Law is a Tier IV Law School is because of their AAMPLE program (of which I am personally a sucess-story).  AAMPLE provides an opportunity for students who otherwise may have not been accepted into law school to prove that they have what it takes to be a good lawyer (as oppossed to a good LSAT taker).