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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: tlewi on February 20, 2009, 09:41:24 AM

Title: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: tlewi on February 20, 2009, 09:41:24 AM
Hey everyone,

I just found out I got into Cornell yesterday via email...so excited! I'm still waiting to hear from other schools, but Cornell is definitely on the top of my list.

The only major problems I have is that I'm not a cold weather person and tuition seems to be a lot higher than other comparable schools. Does anyone have some good pro/cons about Cornell? And does anyone know if the environment is actually as intense and competitive as rumored?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: misbuble on February 20, 2009, 09:44:27 AM
Cornell seems like a great place to go to law school. What exactly makes you think it's more expensive? Which schools do you consider comparable? Duke? GULC? It seems like they would have about the same tuition.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: tlewi on February 20, 2009, 09:47:43 AM
Yeah I checked Duke, Georgetown and a few others and their tuition is in the low $40k, while Cornell is almost $49k a year...
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: sheltron5000 on February 20, 2009, 10:00:17 AM
COL would be higher in Georgetown though, so that comparison really isn't equal. I don't know about the area around Duke though...
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: misbuble on February 20, 2009, 10:20:40 AM
The only reason I'd possibly take duke/GULC over cornell even w/money considerations is because cornell's statistics were not up to par for the T14, I don't understand why or how, but if this is indicative of them losing clout, then I'd take duke/GULC... Cornell seems pretty cool though don't you think? It's an isolated IVY that has great connections to NYC. GULC has a lot of negatives IMO. Duke...is in durham...Who places better in NYC biglaw? Personally, that would make my c/d decision (thankfully I was accepted to MVPB, but if I hadn't been, Cornell looked pretty sweet). I hear Cornell's major con is that it doesn't have a great class selection b/c it's a relatively small school.

That said, if you get into any T10 schools, this becomes irrelevant.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: CTL on February 20, 2009, 10:56:48 AM
Cornell's got a lot of good clinics and programs.  It places really well, and has a great faculty/student ratio.

You should definitely visit the school before passing any judgments on it.  Ithaca's a great little town, but there's a shuttle to NYC (4 hours or less) and it's close enough to Toronto and Montreal too.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: nealric on February 20, 2009, 10:56:51 AM
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COL would be higher in Georgetown though

Just FYI, GULC is not in Georgetown. The capital hill neighborhood (closest residential area to GULC) is considerably cheaper to live in. Depending on your tastes in living, D.C. might not be significantly more expensive.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: sheltron5000 on February 20, 2009, 10:58:50 AM
LOL, I meant AT GULC... whatev.

The point still stands, DC is a major city. Ithaca is well, slightly less major... ;)
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 21, 2009, 11:18:34 AM
If you are truly not a cold weather person, you really need to think about whether you could be happy in upstate NY.  It is frigging freezing.

That said, Cornell is a fabulous school and you should visit.  If you have the chance to visit before it gets warm, that might actually be a great thing for you.

Cornell was ruined for me when I took a greyhound there from New Haven.  Eight hours on a bus caused me to think of Ithaca as being way, way too isolated for me.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: woeisme on February 27, 2009, 10:05:58 PM
It's a little more than Duke, a little less than NU, right?

The environment is no more intense than at other schools. I of course don't say this from personal experience (I've only attended one law school).

I'm a 1L @ Cornell now - I like it a lot. Feel free to ask more specific questions.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: tlewi on February 28, 2009, 12:10:40 PM
Thanks for the helpful info everyone! I'm visiting Cornell for ASD this coming Friday...can't wait!

To woeisme: thanks for your offer. I live in MD and would like to practice law in DC after graduation. Do you know how well Cornell places there? I know they have smaller numbers because of fewer students, but I was wondering what their reputation among DC firms are like.

Also, do you live in Hughes? I'm trying to decide whether I want to apply for housing there.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: CTL on February 28, 2009, 12:12:19 PM
Hey, tlewi!  I'll be at the ASD on Friday as well.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: tlewi on February 28, 2009, 12:18:22 PM
Awesome! Where are you from?
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: woeisme on February 28, 2009, 01:53:28 PM
Thanks for the helpful info everyone! I'm visiting Cornell for ASD this coming Friday...can't wait!

To woeisme: thanks for your offer. I live in MD and would like to practice law in DC after graduation. Do you know how well Cornell places there? I know they have smaller numbers because of fewer students, but I was wondering what their reputation among DC firms are like.

Also, do you live in Hughes? I'm trying to decide whether I want to apply for housing there.

Practicing law in DC is very doable. From what I understand it's among the most popular destinations for Cornell grads. Everyone I know here who has wanted to work in DC has gotten offers they're happy with in DC. These include people who are both towards the top and bottom of their class. So, to me that'd indicate that Cornell does place well there. I really don't know how it ranks in comparison to other schools, but regardless... I don't think you need to worry about getting a job in DC from here.

I do not live in Hughes - I just couldn't stomach the idea of dorm life again. I have friends that live there - most like it a lot. It's just absurdly convenient. I'd recommend looking at it when you visit and then deciding - it's not for everyone, but if you're down with that type of living arrangement, I think it makes a LOT of sense.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: treefity350 on February 28, 2009, 02:00:25 PM
Go to Duke. Go to Duke. Go to Duke. Go to Duke.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: PollyMaggoo on March 03, 2009, 06:28:30 PM
Hey everyone,

I just found out I got into Cornell yesterday via email...so excited! I'm still waiting to hear from other schools, but Cornell is definitely on the top of my list.

The only major problems I have is that I'm not a cold weather person and tuition seems to be a lot higher than other comparable schools. Does anyone have some good pro/cons about Cornell? And does anyone know if the environment is actually as intense and competitive as rumored?

Thanks!

Congrats on your acceptance!
I'm not a cold weather person at all and i love it here.  I could see if your decision was between CA and Ithaca, but I think coming from MD you'll be fine.  Lovebutton has a valid point about it being really isolated though.  Flying out of Ithaca is a pain, but the fact that 7 months in and a crummy airport is my biggest complaint...should say a lot. 

There's no cutthroat atmosphere to worry about.  People have worked very hard to get here and i'm sure everyone wants to be at the top of the class, but not at the expense of screwing over classmates.  The best thing you can probably do is visit and get the feel, because i'm sure everyone here has great things to say about their school. You'll probably find the right "fit" the same way you did in undergrad.  I don't check in here too often any more but feel free to ask any more questions.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: PollyMaggoo on March 03, 2009, 06:29:08 PM
Go to Duke. Go to Duke. Go to Duke. Go to Duke.

Ew, no.  :P
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: CTL on March 03, 2009, 06:43:13 PM
Awesome! Where are you from?

I thought I applied to this, but apparently my post isn't there.  I'm from Syracuse. 
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: PollyMaggoo on March 03, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
The return of PollyMaggoo?

I just can't seem to quit...

Am I confusing you with another poster, or were you applying this cycle? How's it going?
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: Liz Lemon on March 03, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
i went to ithaca college (the smaller, less elite, but way cooler school), and i think the town of ithaca rocks!  it gets really cold there but remember that if you want to Michigan or Chicago it would be a lot colder.  i'm currently in nyc and ithaca is generally only 10 degrees colder on an average day.

the cost of living is nothing and ithaca is seriously lovely.  it's truly amazing in good weather, which exists for approximately 4 weeks of the school year!  for obvious reasons i don't think cornell makes its students get out as much, but there are a lot of fun activities in the town.  there's an apple harvest festival every fall, an incredible brewery, and the best farmer's market i've been to.  the mall completely sucks though.

awww just writing this made me want to go back to ithaca.  sadly i will not be getting into cornell law but i hope you all enjoy it there!
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: Aluhks on March 13, 2009, 01:16:18 PM
Another Cornell 1L here happy to take questions.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: iahurricane on March 13, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
con- the women  :D
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: tlewi on March 16, 2009, 07:18:38 AM
Where's the best place for 1Ls to live other than Hughes? Collegetown apartments? I'm looking for a decent place that doesn't require walking up a hill in the snow to get to class...
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: Aluhks on March 16, 2009, 11:18:26 AM
Where's the best place for 1Ls to live other than Hughes? Collegetown apartments? I'm looking for a decent place that doesn't require walking up a hill in the snow to get to class...

Collegetown is better than Hughes, but at the bottom of the hill in/around the Commons is best. There are a lot of bus stops, so you don't have to walk up the hill, rents are lower, apartments are nicer, and all the best bars in town are down in the Commons. Plus, for 1L year Cornell pays for you to have free bus service.

I think people living in Hughes are out of their minds. Being able to get to school without ever going outside sounds nice but it is a recipe for complete stress overload.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: woeisme on March 17, 2009, 05:00:17 PM
Where's the best place for 1Ls to live other than Hughes? Collegetown apartments? I'm looking for a decent place that doesn't require walking up a hill in the snow to get to class...

Collegetown is better than Hughes, but at the bottom of the hill in/around the Commons is best. There are a lot of bus stops, so you don't have to walk up the hill, rents are lower, apartments are nicer, and all the best bars in town are down in the Commons. Plus, for 1L year Cornell pays for you to have free bus service.

I think people living in Hughes are out of their minds. Being able to get to school without ever going outside sounds nice but it is a recipe for complete stress overload.

Don't get me wrong, I agree. But I think that it works really well for some people. Actually, some people love Hughes.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: PollyMaggoo on March 17, 2009, 06:48:35 PM
I live in Collegetown and I think my proximity to school made winter surprisingly bearable.  The Commons is MUCH cheaper, but if you don't want to walk up the hill in the winter or freeze waiting for the bus you may want to splurge for the closer apts and tell yourself it's extra tuition  ;). People seem to be happy with Hughes too and it's very social.  I think I'd go crazy if I was that close to the law school during finals.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: sheltron5000 on March 17, 2009, 08:24:50 PM
Do you guys have roommates, or do you live by yourselves? Rent in Ithaca seems a lot higher than I expected, espescially since the town my UG was in was pretty similar.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: woeisme on March 17, 2009, 08:32:37 PM
Do you guys have roommates, or do you live by yourselves? Rent in Ithaca seems a lot higher than I expected, espescially since the town my UG was in was pretty similar.

I live in a house here with two other 1Ls and a number of 2Ls. Rent is pretty affordable, actually. A number of people have roommates - and it definitely saves money.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: Liz Lemon on March 18, 2009, 07:40:13 AM
i know some law students who live in the valentine apartments.  you do have to cross route 79 to get to campus, but there's no hill involved.  i used to live in a separate complex owned by the same company and i was very pleased with the building.
Title: Re: Pros/Cons of Cornell?
Post by: PollyMaggoo on March 18, 2009, 01:39:25 PM
I live by myself and as woe said it's a lot more money the less people you're living with and the closer you are to campus.  Collegetown offers plenty of studios and 1-bedrooms.  There also are multi-bedroom apartments (i think some places will take as many as 9), and some people will get a group together after their first year and share a house.  You should be able to find whatever you're looking for, it's just a matter of how much you want to spend and grabbing a place early.