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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: prospectivestudent22 on January 20, 2009, 02:15:15 PM

Title: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: prospectivestudent22 on January 20, 2009, 02:15:15 PM
I need some advice - should I go to Chicago-Kent next year with a full scholarship (w/ no restrictions) or Univ. of Illinois w/ no scholarship?  I don't know yet if I want to do biglaw, but I definitely want to practice in Chicago.


Thanks!
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: aporia on January 20, 2009, 02:40:23 PM
What other than BigLaw are you hoping to do in Chicago?  If you're thinking about public interest work or government jobs, there's probably little difference between the Kent placement and the UofI placement.  However, if you might be after something more competitive, it might be worthwhile to invest in UofI. 

Ultimately, I think that the difference is going to come down to the kind of people you want to be around in law school.  I would guess that the UofI student body is going to be younger and probably more career-driven, whereas Kent is going to attract commuter students and people returning to school after a longer break.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: econtutorNV on January 20, 2009, 03:03:53 PM
Do you have in-state tuition in IL? That would make a large difference in how much I'd weigh UIUC v. Kent.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: prospectivestudent22 on January 20, 2009, 03:13:30 PM
Hi --

I will be receiving in state tuition at Illinois.  I am undecided about what type of law I want to go into though.  I have heard that job prospects in Chicago are fairly similar for U of I grads and Chicago-Kent grads (provided that you do fairly well at Kent).  Any additional insight is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: econtutorNV on January 20, 2009, 03:36:35 PM
If you can keep debt to an absolute minimum at Kent (live at home, don't go out, that sort of thing) and walk out $0 in the hole then it might be worth it. Also, are there any conditions on the scholarship regarding GPA or class ranking?

Something to keep in mind; you might not want Biglaw! at the moment but plans change, at least at UIUC there's a pretty decent chance of landing it (at least there was before the recession, I don't know how it looks now)
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: DrLazarus on January 20, 2009, 04:26:00 PM
With in-state tuition, I'd vote decidedly for U of I.  In Chicago, firms (and maybe other employers too) will go further into U of I's class than they would at Kent.  My understanding from OCI was that the chain of command in Chicago looked something like this (not including HLS and other T14 schools which do not predominantly target Chicago):

Chicago > NW/Michigan >> Illinois > Other solid midwestern schools (Minn, ND, Wisconsin, Indiana-Bloomington, WUSTL, etc.) > Kent/Loyola/Depaul >>> NIU/JMLS.

Others may have different opinions, but this was the feel I got.  Even if you don't want to do firm work, my guess is that U of I will go further in a lot of areas.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: Jamie Stringer on January 20, 2009, 04:28:27 PM
With in-state tuition, I'd vote decidedly for U of I.  In Chicago, firms (and maybe other employers too) will go further into U of I's class than they would at Kent.  My understanding from OCI was that the chain of command in Chicago looked something like this (not including HLS and other T14 schools which do not predominantly target Chicago):

Chicago > NW/Michigan >> Illinois > Other solid midwestern schools (Minn, ND, Wisconsin, Indiana-Bloomington, WUSTL, etc.) > Kent/Loyola/Depaul >>> NIU/JMLS.

Others may have different opinions, but this was the feel I got.  Even if you don't want to do firm work, my guess is that U of I will go further in a lot of areas.

I completely agree.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: JamieB on January 20, 2009, 06:59:33 PM
After really getting to know how the legal field is like, i have to say that this is a no-brainer.  U of Illinois Urbana.  The amount you invest now will reap its rewards.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: prospectivestudent22 on January 21, 2009, 08:09:16 AM
What other than BigLaw are you hoping to do in Chicago?  If you're thinking about public interest work or government jobs, there's probably little difference between the Kent placement and the UofI placement.  However, if you might be after something more competitive, it might be worthwhile to invest in UofI. 

Ultimately, I think that the difference is going to come down to the kind of people you want to be around in law school.  I would guess that the UofI student body is going to be younger and probably more career-driven, whereas Kent is going to attract commuter students and people returning to school after a longer break.

Aporia - how valuable is your secret identity to you??
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: aporia on January 21, 2009, 03:42:38 PM
What other than BigLaw are you hoping to do in Chicago?  If you're thinking about public interest work or government jobs, there's probably little difference between the Kent placement and the UofI placement.  However, if you might be after something more competitive, it might be worthwhile to invest in UofI. 

Ultimately, I think that the difference is going to come down to the kind of people you want to be around in law school.  I would guess that the UofI student body is going to be younger and probably more career-driven, whereas Kent is going to attract commuter students and people returning to school after a longer break.

Aporia - how valuable is your secret identity to you??

Feel free to send me a PM if you want some more info on choosing between Chicago schools.  I was in a similar place last year, so I would be happy to offer advice.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: annabell on February 09, 2009, 09:56:52 AM
There really isn't much of a difference between these two schools, in my opinion.  The quality of the student body really is not that much better at U of I, so I personally think you should take into account where you're getting the better deal financially, as well as other considerations such as which school's overall curriculum and program you prefer.  Kent also has the advantage of being located in Chicago, which is nice as far as getting a head start on contacts, clinical experience, and employment opportunities in the city (as well as political/governmental positions down the road).  You can definitely get where you want to be from both, though.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: Speedzie on February 24, 2009, 11:28:01 PM
Hi --

I will be receiving in state tuition at Illinois.  I am undecided about what type of law I want to go into though.  I have heard that job prospects in Chicago are fairly similar for U of I grads and Chicago-Kent grads (provided that you do fairly well at Kent).  Any additional insight is greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Jobs are NOT the same for Illinois as at Kent.  More Chicago lawyers are alums of UofI than any other school, not to mention you're comparing apples to oranges.  Let me say this about UofI , it's an absolute pleasure to work with my classmates here.  I love it.  And come to our open house / mixer at Guido's on the 6th!  I think your choice will be clear.

Bottom line:  visit the schools, spend some time there, and see where you're more comfortable.  Do NOT over intellectualize it.  As to the money?  You'll make it back in short order, especially if you've gotten in this early.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: Speedzie on February 24, 2009, 11:32:50 PM

Also, it's really important that you not give too much weight to the opinions of the pre-law crowd.  Talk with actual students, professors, career services folks (Tony aka Dean Waller is a really easy going guy), and get an idea that way.  There's the way it looks from the outside, and the way it is once you're there. 

Feel free to message me if you have any questions...

Congrats!
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: Speedzie on February 25, 2009, 11:57:07 AM
One last tid bit.

When comparing job prospects, it's worth actually looking at the hard numbers.

     National list  --  http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/20080414employment_trends.pdf

     Illinois Region  --  http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/regional_IL.pdf

Note also, that "business" can mean either Hedge Fund Manager (yale), or pizza delivery boy...

     The general website is here  --  http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=900005508582
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: u2007 on March 09, 2009, 10:17:24 AM
This data appears to be outdated though (where the class of 2005 found work, and Chicago-Kent isn't even listed on some of these links, etc.).  From my understanding, Kent has improved and continues to improve its placement in the last few years and is regarded as close to UIUC.  Kent grads dominate many of Chicago's top firms, so the networking opportunities are definitely there.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: TTom on March 09, 2009, 10:31:45 AM
There really isn't much of a difference between these two schools, in my opinion.  The quality of the student body really is not that much better at U of I, so I personally think you should take into account where you're getting the better deal financially, as well as other considerations such as which school's overall curriculum and program you prefer.  Kent also has the advantage of being located in Chicago, which is nice as far as getting a head start on contacts, clinical experience, and employment opportunities in the city (as well as political/governmental positions down the road).  You can definitely get where you want to be from both, though.

I completely disagree. The quality of the student body at Illinois is much higher. So are job prospects. Data bears this out.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: kman999 on March 09, 2009, 11:03:35 AM
Yeh but who would want to live in Chambana as anything other than an undergrad
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: TTom on March 09, 2009, 11:40:37 AM
Yeh but who would want to live in Chambana as anything other than an undergrad

Good point. You're not the first person I've heard say bad things about that area. I've heard it's the worst of the Big Ten cities.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: SamE397 on March 09, 2009, 12:23:31 PM
Yeh but who would want to live in Chambana as anything other than an undergrad
I've heard more than a few people dis on small midwest college towns(I.E Bloomington, South Bend, and Champaign) and I understand that not everyone would want to live there. As someone though who's been a surbanite their whole life though, I'd much rather be in a small town than say New York, Chicago, or L.A; I imagine being a 1-l is tough enough without having to adjust to an urban environment.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: u2007 on March 09, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
True, some college towns aren't that bad.  Chicago is still probably a lot easier to adjust to than New York and Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: SamE397 on March 09, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
True, some college towns aren't that bad.  Chicago is still probably easier to adjust to than New York and Los Angeles.
It probably is.
I guess what kind of area you want to be in just comes down to personal preference though. If you're a manhattanite odds are you'd be miserable in champaign. If you've lived your whole life in for example Cheyenne you'd probably not mind a small city like champaign. 


I worked a summer in the sequoias and even in central california people who live in the mountain areas think that Fresno, is overly crowded and has too much traffic. As someone from the detroit area I thought their descriptions of Fresno were laughable but none the less it was a powerful example of how people adjust to their environment.   
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: TTom on March 09, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
Yeh but who would want to live in Chambana as anything other than an undergrad
I've heard more than a few people dis on small midwest college towns(I.E Bloomington, South Bend, and Champaign) and I understand that not everyone would want to live there. As someone though who's been a surbanite their whole life though, I'd much rather be in a small town than say New York, Chicago, or L.A; I imagine being a 1-l is tough enough without having to adjust to an urban environment.

I can't believe you lumped Bloomington in with South Bend and Champaign. I've been to all three and Bloomington is far and away the best, while South Bend is far and away the worst.

TTom

Full disclosure: I applied to and got rejected by U of I, IU-B, and ND!
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: Speedzie on March 09, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
Yeh but who would want to live in Chambana as anything other than an undergrad

I was worried about that before moving here (mind you i'm from CT and CO, two places i'd call much cooler than IL), and as things turned out it didn't matter.  You really don't have time to care much about what there is to do in your particular town while you're in law school.  All I care is that my rent is cheap, that there is some amount of nature outside, and that there are bars to go to on friday night.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on March 09, 2009, 04:29:10 PM
Don't go to law school.  It's really stressful.  People form study groups and exclude you for some reason, and, during exams, there's a lot of work and you sometimes miss obvious issues on practice exams. 
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: clairel on March 09, 2009, 06:05:56 PM
Don't go to law school.  It's really stressful.  People form study groups and exclude you for some reason, and, during exams, there's a lot of work and you sometimes miss obvious issues on practice exams. 

i hope this is sarcasm....otherwise i fear for your mental stability next quarter.

OP, i would say illinois. with in-state tuition, you wouldn't be paying much more than kent and the prospects seem significantly better for jobs in chicago.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on March 09, 2009, 09:21:22 PM
Don't go to law school.  It's really stressful.  People form study groups and exclude you for some reason, and, during exams, there's a lot of work and you sometimes miss obvious issues on practice exams. 

i hope this is sarcasm....otherwise i fear for your mental stability next quarter.
OP, i would say illinois. with in-state tuition, you wouldn't be paying much more than kent and the prospects seem significantly better for jobs in chicago.

I do, too, actually.
Title: Re: Chicago Kent (free) v. University of Illinois ($)
Post by: u2007 on March 10, 2009, 07:09:11 AM
I, too, fear for your stability.

Anyway, as far as job prospects, notice that the OP didn't say job prospects were similar between the two schools but rather that job prospects were similar provided you do fairly well at Kent.