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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: bryan9584 on January 03, 2009, 08:25:48 PM

Title: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on January 03, 2009, 08:25:48 PM
I have seen that Hofstra has begun sending out acceptances, so I'd thought I'd offer to answer any questions anyone had regarding both school and social life. Just post them on this board and I will respond as soon as possible.

Good luck to everyone with their applications

Bryan
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: adi1 on January 04, 2009, 07:18:58 AM
quick question: what is the chances of going to hofstra and getting good grades year 1 and then transfering to fordham/nyu/etc ? is it possible? do u know anyone who transfered out? what grades would u need to have?

Are u full time or part time? and how are the professors??

Also, if you stay in hofstra for all 3 years, what do you need to do in order to get a biglaw job from hofstra if thats what you want after law school?

Also, how is the competition with the rest of your class? is it very cut-throat just like at the other schools in NY? 


Thanks!!
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on January 04, 2009, 08:32:28 AM
To begin with, I am only a 1L so no one that I have meet has transferred yet. But from my understanding, it is possible if you are in the top of the class to transfer out to another NY school. This is only a guess, but you would probably need to be in the 10% (maybe higher for nyu or columbia). But a side note, if you can get a scholarship from hofstra and get the same kind of job as you would at nyu or columbia, it might make more sense economically to stay and forgo going for the name recognition. (I have thought about transferring and depending how I do, i'm leaning closer to keeping the money)

As for the professors, I have learned a lot and find that most of my professors really care about how we do and are very approachable. Even the ones that aren't always around school can be easily emailed. By the way I am full-time, but i do not a lot of part-time day students. First semester the only difference is that they don't take criminal law and also one less class in the semester. Full-time evening i think take even less.

If you stay at hofstra, you probably need to be in the top 10% to increase your chances of biglaw but its probably still probable if you are in the top 20%. If you look at their website, for those that go into the private sector, the 75th percentile salary is 160,000 (and 79% are in the private sector, law firm or business). Here is the link if you want to check it out. http://law.hofstra.edu/StudentLife/CareerServices/careerservices_employment_statistics.html

The competition is not cut-throat. I studied in groups and got outlines from other students and myself personally was always willing to explain something. Also, you will notice that internet surfing and chatting is pretty rampant, however i would give everyone the advice to NOT let yourself be distracted. If you are paying lots of money to go to law school, don't waste it surfing the internet. Also, stay on track with your classes. If you are always caught up and don't fall behind you will understand better in class and won't feel the pressure of having to do so much work.

I will say that since I have not gotten my grades yet, there is still some opportunity for pessimism. However, I'm hoping that won't happen because the finals seemed fair and I think i did well enough.

Hope this helps
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: kennedyposter on January 07, 2009, 06:27:06 PM
Completely unrelated to the whole SCHOOL part...but do you need a car there? I'm absolutely unfamiliar with the area. Is there public transportation that links up with NYC or Long Island itself? If I go somewhere other than Ole Miss I don't want to bring a car. I f'in hate driving,can't wait to get rid of my car, and if I live anywhere near a big city will do so. This may be a stupid question but thanks a million if you answer it.

I have seen that Hofstra has begun sending out acceptances, so I'd thought I'd offer to answer any questions anyone had regarding both school and social life. Just post them on this board and I will respond as soon as possible.

Good luck to everyone with their applications

Bryan
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: booyakasha45 on January 07, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
Completely unrelated to the whole SCHOOL part...but do you need a car there? I'm absolutely unfamiliar with the area. Is there public transportation that links up with NYC or Long Island itself? If I go somewhere other than Ole Miss I don't want to bring a car. I f'in hate driving,can't wait to get rid of my car, and if I live anywhere near a big city will do so. This may be a stupid question but thanks a million if you answer it.

I'm from Long Island and live somewhat near Hofstra. The Long Island Rail Road will get you to NYC in about 40-50ish minutes from Hempstead, where Hofstra is located. Trains run pretty frequently and are almost always on time. Getting around Long Island with a car would be a pain in the ass. It's not like NYC where things are within reasonable walking distance. There's a pretty extensive bus system, but I've never used it... http://www.mta.info/libus/index.html .
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on January 09, 2009, 08:25:04 PM
Agreed. Although i do know a few people without a car (live real close by or in the dorms), i could not live without a car. Long Island is not really metropolitan so its like a normal city where you would drive to the store or anywhere else you want to go (besides going into the city, which I take the train, and luckily live close to the train station or else i'd have to drive to the train station like some of my friends.)
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: daned on March 04, 2009, 08:04:50 PM
I have a couple questions regarding living situations at Hofstra.  I currently work and live in Chicago so I really need to do my research and narrow down some choices for living before I travel out to Hofstra.  Could you point me in a direction of what you believe to be safe, student oriented apartments.  Also, I am looking for a roommate.  What's the most efficient way of going about looking for a roommate?

Thanks
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bounders on March 09, 2009, 11:05:46 AM
I have heard that all the professors at Hofstra are either gay or 90 years old.  Since I honestly do not want all of my professors to fall into one (or both) of these categories, this is a concern for me. 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on March 15, 2009, 06:15:45 PM
To Daned,

The long island housing situation is not like normal universities. there is on campus housing, and one specifically for grad/law students, but in my opinion it is over priced and institutional. I found my apt on the hofstra off-campus housing website. http://www.hofstra.edu/StudentAffairs/Commuting/commute_offcampus.html. You can also check out craiglist. Mainly, the options, a) I have a studio apt in a house that has been converted into different apts, b) renting out a room in a house, 2) move in with someone looking for a roomate, 3) rental apt which are pretty expensive 4) or finding a group of people to live with and renting a house. Overall, I'm happy where I chose to live. Not far from school and real close to the railroad to go into the city. Its also in a safe, family neighborhood.

To bounders,
One of my professors last semester falls into the 70/80 category, and one this semester I think falls into the other category. The rest are in the middle age range, with a couple being on the younger side. And I would add, I happen to like the professors that happen to fall into the 2 categories. But to give a broader perspective, you will probably not like all your professors, but you should be able to deal with all different kinds of teachers and adjust to the professors that you like and don't like.

Hope that helps clarify your two questions
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: TJCCARDCO on March 16, 2009, 08:48:29 AM
To Daned,

The long island housing situation is not like normal universities. there is on campus housing, and one specifically for grad/law students, but in my opinion it is over priced and institutional. I found my apt on the hofstra off-campus housing website. http://www.hofstra.edu/StudentAffairs/Commuting/commute_offcampus.html. You can also check out craiglist. Mainly, the options, a) I have a studio apt in a house that has been converted into different apts, b) renting out a room in a house, 2) move in with someone looking for a roomate, 3) rental apt which are pretty expensive 4) or finding a group of people to live with and renting a house. Overall, I'm happy where I chose to live. Not far from school and real close to the railroad to go into the city. Its also in a safe, family neighborhood.

To bounders,
One of my professors last semester falls into the 70/80 category, and one this semester I think falls into the other category. The rest are in the middle age range, with a couple being on the younger side. And I would add, I happen to like the professors that happen to fall into the 2 categories. But to give a broader perspective, you will probably not like all your professors, but you should be able to deal with all different kinds of teachers and adjust to the professors that you like and don't like.

Hope that helps clarify your two questions

The on-campus housing for grad/law students is a joke with the rules it has. It is OK if you JUST want to study, but if you plan to have any fun at all, do not move into these apartments. It is a great place to get work done, and meet certain people, but the rules are worse than some dorms I lived in while at undergraduate college. Do not expect to be treated as an adult here. I am not trying to bad mouth Hofstra, because they were nothing but nice to me with my transition and the problems I had at the begining of last semester (personal, not legal or academic or psychotic or psychological lol). But, I would say definitely listen to the OP and get an apartment in Staten Island, do not live on campus.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: Nowhere Fast on March 16, 2009, 09:57:37 AM
To Daned,

The long island housing situation is not like normal universities. there is on campus housing, and one specifically for grad/law students, but in my opinion it is over priced and institutional. I found my apt on the hofstra off-campus housing website. http://www.hofstra.edu/StudentAffairs/Commuting/commute_offcampus.html. You can also check out craiglist. Mainly, the options, a) I have a studio apt in a house that has been converted into different apts, b) renting out a room in a house, 2) move in with someone looking for a roomate, 3) rental apt which are pretty expensive 4) or finding a group of people to live with and renting a house. Overall, I'm happy where I chose to live. Not far from school and real close to the railroad to go into the city. Its also in a safe, family neighborhood.

To bounders,
One of my professors last semester falls into the 70/80 category, and one this semester I think falls into the other category. The rest are in the middle age range, with a couple being on the younger side. And I would add, I happen to like the professors that happen to fall into the 2 categories. But to give a broader perspective, you will probably not like all your professors, but you should be able to deal with all different kinds of teachers and adjust to the professors that you like and don't like.

Hope that helps clarify your two questions

The on-campus housing for grad/law students is a joke with the rules it has. It is OK if you JUST want to study, but if you plan to have any fun at all, do not move into these apartments. It is a great place to get work done, and meet certain people, but the rules are worse than some dorms I lived in while at undergraduate college. Do not expect to be treated as an adult here. I am not trying to bad mouth Hofstra, because they were nothing but nice to me with my transition and the problems I had at the begining of last semester (personal, not legal or academic or psychotic or psychological lol). But, I would say definitely listen to the OP and get an apartment in Staten Island, do not live on campus.

An apartment on Staten Island?  I dont know about that. 

I currently live on Staten Island, and even if I got an apartment by the Verrazano Bridge -- it would take me at least an hour to an hour and a half with traffic.  As much as I would love to stay here while going to Hofstra, I don't think that commute time would be the best option.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: TJCCARDCO on March 16, 2009, 08:57:20 PM
Sorry Im really bad with the NY terminology. I meant the island that Hofstra is on.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on March 17, 2009, 08:43:04 AM
Long Island. And not necessarily right by school because its not the nicest area. However, there are really nice places within a 10 mile vicinity.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: ls2012 on March 17, 2009, 08:48:24 AM
OP/Or any other Hofstra Students out there,

How has the economy impacted employment prospects for the Top 10%? Pre-recession I've heard that students in the top 10% had minimal hardships finding employment with Vault 100 firms. Has this changed?
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on March 17, 2009, 05:35:09 PM
I'm pretty sure that is a very speculative question because it probably won't be able to be determined until fall OCI. If the rescission of 3L offers and reduction of 2L summers, then the situation in general will probably not be the greatest and competition for the limited spots will be that much greater.

However, I don't think that will prevent the top 10% from getting a good job, maybe not at the most prestigious firms. But keep in mind, fall OCI is August/Sept, which is over 5 months away so the economy could be better, worse, or the same. I'm keeping my hopes up and trying to be optimistic, but I don't think going to Hofstra is going to be detrimental (besides the typical not going to a t14/t20 school), and if you plan on working in the new york market, it would be a good choice (pending you are willing to be the hard work to do well, otherwise, not sure how great your job prospects are)
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: ls2012 on March 18, 2009, 07:06:17 AM
bryan,

thank you for your response. right now i am debating between hofstra, pace and syracuse. off the bat i've pretty much thrown out Pace as an option. hofstra has provided a small scholarship ($12.5K) but with its high cost of living as compared to the city of syracuse, my numbers tell me that the cost difference will be negligible.

while working in nyc is at the top of my goals, i do want to keep open the possibility of working in D.C. from what i pull off of the bios of law offices in the DC market, it seems as if there is a greater syracuse presence than hofstra.

true, living in syracuse for 3 years is not exactly appealing to me. but, if it opens a few more doors in the long run, i think i will be able to grind it out.

when you were filtering down your list of schools, what made you chose hofstra over your other choices? what other offers did you turn down to enroll at hofstra?

thanks again for your help.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on March 18, 2009, 06:18:49 PM
Let me first start off with the Cost of Living. I'm guessing you know that Hofstra is on long island and not in New York City, therefore the cost of living is MUCH less than if you lived in the city. While the housing situation is a lot different than around a university campuses (I would not recommend moving into the overpriced dorms), it is possible to find inexpensive housing. Personally, I'm paying $675 for a studio apt that's in a converted house in a nice neighborhood near the train station. It possible to find cheaper if you rent a room from someone or find roommates and rent a place. Of course there are more expensive options, my friend pays about 1,000 a month for a one bedroom that's on a second floor of a house, but its obviously much more spacious. So, if the cost of living is higher, its probably at MOST 2-3k.

Second, if you want to work in nyc, i'd definitely tell you go to Hofstra. While you probably need to be towards the top of the class to get a big law job (probably about the same as syracuse), the proximity to the city is great, not only for going out, but also for interviewing with employers. Although I haven't done 2L OCI cause I'm only a 1L, but i'm guessing its much easier to go in for a callback interview from OCI or go to a first interview if the firm does not do OCI. (And also if I get a Summer Associate position, I will be able to take the train into the city instead of moving) So, essentially you get the benefit of being close to the city, without the city price.

As for possibly working in D.C., I'm not sure what the stats are, but as you probably know Hofstra is a more regional school (as I'm guessing syracuse is, or maybe a little less cause its pretty far away), but I'm sure there is the possibility of either finding work in D.C. if you want to take the initiative or making a lateral transfer after you have work experience.

As for me personally, from the schools that I decided to apply to based on mostly whether there was a good family law program (not sure I want to do that anymore) so it was either stay in Florida and get in state tuition or move to NY and go to Hofstra and pay about the same because of the scholarship. My sister and Aunt also live in the city and Queens so I knew I'd have family up here. So far I have been happy with my decision (since a top school was not an option for me, and even though it might be now, its not worth the money to transfer).

Hope that helps. My only other advice, is make an informed decision, think about what you really want including your goals and where you want to work.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on March 19, 2009, 10:46:53 AM
To support my cost analysis betweeen Hofstra and Syracuse, see the ranking of law schools by cost.


http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/grad/law/private_cost
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: chukoo321 on March 26, 2009, 11:44:03 AM
what lender did you choose? and from conferring with others do you think it was the best choice?
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on March 26, 2009, 03:58:38 PM
I didn't really investigate which lender to go with, but most of the major lenders have similar repayment options and incentives. I just went with Bank of America because i have a checking and credit card with them and would rather go with a company that I currently use and hoping it should be more convenient. Also, I have not and I have never heard any of my friends conferring with each other over what lender to go with. I feel like worrying about the loans are not a top priority until graduation, but then its probably not really discussed that much. So either do your research and see what companies have the best pay back incentives (for example, a reduction in interest rate if paid on time for 6 months) or go with a big company you are familiar with.

Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: SAM34 on March 26, 2009, 05:16:31 PM
What do you think about the quality of the education you are receiving?    Do the professors push the students to do better?  What are you doing this summer for work? 

Thanks.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: nevird on March 27, 2009, 02:22:03 PM
This might sound ignorant but I have to ask anyway. What do you think about applying to Hofstra at this point? The deadline is in May and I already applied to all the schools I had considered attending but i would like more options.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law wiling to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on March 27, 2009, 04:24:46 PM
I think I am receiving a quality education, however, I do think that people that I know might not be getting as a good as one because it is possible to slack off and still pass. To clarify, I feel like I am learning a lot of important legal doctrines and actively participate in class while others consistently use their computers during class time and briefly read through class materials. As for professors pushing students, almost all (except maybe one or two) are not scary socratic method and take volunteers inside. There will be times when they randomly call on people but usually that person can give some sort of answer, even if its not the correct one. So in conclusion, you can get a quality education but you need to keep yourself motivated and actually care about learning (so if your goal is to just pass then i'd suggest you reconsider what you want to do).

As to applying, definitely apply. I have one friend that was literally accepted a week before school started, albeit, it was for the part-time program so I'm guessing there were slots (He also took the june lsat so applied every where late). If you have the numbers to get it, then I'm pretty sure you'll be accepted. If your numbers are on the lower end, then probably waitlisted. Also, not sure what the scholarship situation will be, but if you have good numbers then you can get a good scholarship (although you have to keep a 3.25, which is a little above curve). But, it never hurts to apply, and if its still the same, I think you can apply online for free.

Best of luck
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: nevird on March 28, 2009, 12:52:44 PM
Great, Thank you for the info.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: cherpin on March 29, 2009, 08:02:33 PM
I've been offered a full ride at a T4, and 13k for Hofstra.  I'm close to NY, but I'm not sure if I want to practice there.  What would you do?  Is Hofstra worth paying the remaining 26k (at least)?
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on March 30, 2009, 06:39:17 AM
What do you want to do? Public Interest? Or mid to big law? If you want to do public interest, the full ride will probably help. If you are looking for a private firm, then going to a better ranked school will help with job prospects. Essentially, you will have to be higher up in your class at the T4 than Hofstra to be competitive. There also seems to be a stigma about going to T4 schools.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: chukoo321 on April 14, 2009, 01:21:30 PM
what is the grading curve like at hofstra??
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: chukoo321 on April 14, 2009, 02:06:35 PM
Also did you do any prepping the summer before? or do you wish you did? :-\
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on April 14, 2009, 04:29:38 PM
The Curve is between a 3.0 and 3.2 except for your small section which can't exceed a 3.3. See this website for more information. http://law.hofstra.edu/StudentLife/StudentAffairs/Handbook/stuhb_chapter_06.html#acad_reg

As for prepping, I did not do anything over summer. I just came in with my basic legal information that i have gained through the years but nothing in particular. If you do not have a difficult time understanding concepts, then I don't think you need to prep. If it takes you a while, then you might want to get a head start. However, I will caution those that want to go ahead, that you do not know what your teacher will be covering in the class or which semester if it is a year long class, so you have the possibility of learning something that you will not need. If you are really bored, maybe read one of those general law school books like getting to maybe which my friend recommended but i did not read. I also do not wish I did, because I did very well without prepping.

Any other questions?
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: incognitomusic on April 14, 2009, 05:19:21 PM
I've been offered a full ride at a T4, and 13k for Hofstra.  I'm close to NY, but I'm not sure if I want to practice there.  What would you do?  Is Hofstra worth paying the remaining 26k (at least)?
It's probably a little late now for this, but you could use your full ride offer to ask for more money to Hofstra.  I literally just did the same thing with Hofstra and it worked for me.  My original offer was 27500 and I used a full ride offer from a T4 and the fact that I had been accepted to higher ranked schools as my evidence and they came through with the higher offer.
Don't know if it's too late to do this now, but it can't hurt to try I guess.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: TJCCARDCO on April 20, 2009, 11:56:26 AM
The Curve is between a 3.0 and 3.2 except for your small section which can't exceed a 3.3. See this website for more information. http://law.hofstra.edu/StudentLife/StudentAffairs/Handbook/stuhb_chapter_06.html#acad_reg

As for prepping, I did not do anything over summer. I just came in with my basic legal information that i have gained through the years but nothing in particular. If you do not have a difficult time understanding concepts, then I don't think you need to prep. If it takes you a while, then you might want to get a head start. However, I will caution those that want to go ahead, that you do not know what your teacher will be covering in the class or which semester if it is a year long class, so you have the possibility of learning something that you will not need. If you are really bored, maybe read one of those general law school books like getting to maybe which my friend recommended but i did not read. I also do not wish I did, because I did very well without prepping.

Any other questions?

Glad to hear you like Hofstra. I definitely liked the teachers who I spoke with when I was there for a few days on campus. Part of me wishes I had stayed and went, but another part of me is glad I didn't because even if I end up back at Hofstra after taking the LSATs again, I want it be on my terms with all of my personal ish taken care of. Let us know how you do grades wise. Wish you the best of luck my man.
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: beinlaw on May 06, 2009, 11:52:36 PM
How hard is it to get off a waitlist? Also, is the waitlist random or is there an order to the waitlist?

Thanks!
Title: Re: 1L at Hofstra Law willing to take questions
Post by: bryan9584 on May 07, 2009, 09:01:46 AM
I'm not sure how hard it is to get off the full time waitlist, but I know that some of my friends got in real late for the PT day program. Also, I"d recommend sending in any letters of interest if you strongly want to come here and your final grades/transcript (if its not better). Best of luck