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Title: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Prismpunk on December 23, 2008, 08:28:18 AM
I just sent in my transcripts to LSAC and they just converted my grades to their own scale.

My cumulative gpa ranked percentage at my school comes out to exactly 50% (3.40). Basically it means that my gpa is right in the middle of students applying to law school out of my undergrad university. How does that look to certain admissions councils when your applying to law school? Does being in the middle gpa wise affect my chances at applying to law school?

I am not looking at T14 schools.

   
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Jamie Stringer on December 23, 2008, 09:01:52 AM
Well, my GPA is also at my school's 50% for law school applicants.  I can't say that it's negatively affected me thus far.


ETA: I will say that factors that work in my favor are time since the bad grades, a strong upward trend in grades, graduate work, etc.  So there are other factors that will balance in.  I don't know where you're applying or what your total application package looks like, so it's hard to give you specific advice. 
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: blueskies6 on December 23, 2008, 09:09:38 AM
I'm below the median at my school.  However, I maintain that the rest of my school has fluffy majors and I don't, and I have stuff from my school to prove it :D  So I wrote an addendum about that.  Anything in that realm you can consider?
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Prismpunk on December 23, 2008, 09:13:50 AM
I don't plan on applying till probably next year. I am working right out of school and they require a 2 year commitment.

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

Its just after I saw my cumulative gpa rank I wasnt sure how it would affect my chances of applying considering its right in the middle with the average being a 3.31 and my 3.40 being right above the average at my school.

I graduated from Suny Binghamton with a 3.40 gpa. I double majored in Political Science(3.4) and in History(3.7).
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: heartbreaker on December 23, 2008, 09:15:57 AM

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

 ::) ::) ::)

I would NOT suggest using that as an addendum. A 3.4 is a perfectly respectable GPA. You'll be fine.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Prismpunk on December 23, 2008, 09:18:09 AM

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

 ::) ::) ::)

I would NOT suggest using that as an addendum. A 3.4 is a perfectly respectable GPA. You'll be fine.

What about a legitimate death in the family. My grandmother passed away my second semester frosh year. Could I put that in an addendum?
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: heartbreaker on December 23, 2008, 09:19:12 AM

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

 ::) ::) ::)

I would NOT suggest using that as an addendum. A 3.4 is a perfectly respectable GPA. You'll be fine.

What about a legitimate death in the family. My grandmother passed away my second semester frosh year. Could I put that in an addendum?

Yes, you could. Just make any and all addenda short and straight to the point.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Jamie Stringer on December 23, 2008, 09:24:19 AM

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

 ::) ::) ::)

I would NOT suggest using that as an addendum. A 3.4 is a perfectly respectable GPA. You'll be fine.

2d!

Don't use that as an addendum.  I would, however, suggest incorporating something where you talk about your positive grade trends.  Your grades are really similar to mine (in terms of trend, except my first two years were crap). 


ETA: What Brenda said.  Short, sweet, and to the point.  And yes, death in the family counts, but don't use it as a platform to throw a pity party.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: blueskies6 on December 23, 2008, 09:35:34 AM

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

 ::) ::) ::)

I would NOT suggest using that as an addendum. A 3.4 is a perfectly respectable GPA. You'll be fine.

2d!

Don't use that as an addendum.  I would, however, suggest incorporating something where you talk about your positive grade trends.  Your grades are really similar to mine (in terms of trend, except my first two years were crap). 


ETA: What Brenda said.  Short, sweet, and to the point.  And yes, death in the family counts, but don't use it as a platform to throw a pity party.

3d.  I was suggesting more of a legit grade addendum with proof to back it up, if you had any.  You don't want to sound like you're making excuses.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Prismpunk on December 23, 2008, 11:58:14 AM
Yea it is a legit issue. Its not really an excuse she actually did pass away and it caused quite a few problems for me as I had to miss class for 1-2 weeks that second semester.

So I guess the actual 50% percentage ranking doesn't mean as much as other circumstances. Thanks for your help  :).
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: rush the rushdie on December 27, 2008, 10:20:43 PM

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

 ::) ::) ::)

I would NOT suggest using that as an addendum. A 3.4 is a perfectly respectable GPA. You'll be fine.

i gots a question! (sorry this is a bit unrelated to the OP)

i wrote an addendum about my upward GPA trend, this isn't a good idea?  My freshman year grades are 0.3 lower than my overall GPA.  definitely not as impressive a jump as the OP (props) but i guess i just want the Adcomm to know my circumstances...
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: rush the rushdie on December 27, 2008, 10:23:05 PM

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

 ::) ::) ::)

I would NOT suggest using that as an addendum. A 3.4 is a perfectly respectable GPA. You'll be fine.

i gots a question! (sorry a bit unrelated to the OP)

i wrote an addendum for an upward GPA trend, this isn't a good idea?  my frosh year grades are 0.3 lower than my overall GPA, which granted isn't as impressive a jump as the OP (props), but i just want the adcomm to know my circumstances..aka, i hard a difficult time adjusting to college.  is that just super lame, or okay to leave in my app?
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: heartbreaker on December 27, 2008, 10:31:28 PM
A fair warning that I really dislike the proliferation of addenda (IMO, they are whiny, and 95% of them make the author sound entitled and obnoxious), so take this advice with a grain of salt.

I think addenda should only be used for circumstances outside of your control. For example - if you came down with mono in the middle of the semester, if you suddenly had to become a caretaker for a grandparent or child, if you lost your scholarship and had to work fulltime to support yourself, if someone close to you died on the morning of the LSAT, etc.

Additionally, if there's something that has to be explained (for example, maybe your major curved around a 2.7, or your professor had a policy to only give out 1 A per semester) about the OUTSIDE circumstances affecting your GPA, an addendum is appropriate.

Adjusting to college isn't really addendum worthy. I mean, what are you going to say that will really enhance your application? Many freshmen have a hard time adjusting; the circumstance isn't novel, nor is it something that was really earthshattering enough to seriously justify lower grades. It is what it is. There's nothing to explain.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Live Free or Die on December 27, 2008, 10:38:13 PM

I have a major upward trend in grades. I was tripled in a double room my freshmen year and my grades reflect that. I went from a 2.60 my freshmen year to a 3.45 my sophomore year and then junior and senior year Ive made dean's list about 4 times with grades averaging around a 3.7 for 4 consecutive semesters.

 ::) ::) ::)

I would NOT suggest using that as an addendum. A 3.4 is a perfectly respectable GPA. You'll be fine.

i gots a question! (sorry a bit unrelated to the OP)

i wrote an addendum for an upward GPA trend, this isn't a good idea?  my frosh year grades are 0.3 lower than my overall GPA, which granted isn't as impressive a jump as the OP (props), but i just want the adcomm to know my circumstances..aka, i hard a difficult time adjusting to college.  is that just super lame, or okay to leave in my app?

They like upward grade trends in admissions and most likely expect them, so you don't need to explain it, especially for such a small difference. My freshman fall grades weren't my best, but that's life.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: rush the rushdie on December 27, 2008, 10:39:37 PM
A fair warning that I really dislike the proliferation of addenda (IMO, they are whiny, and 95% of them make the author sound entitled and obnoxious), so take this advice with a grain of salt.

I think addenda should only be used for circumstances outside of your control. For example - if you came down with mono in the middle of the semester, if you suddenly had to become a caretaker for a grandparent or child, if you lost your scholarship and had to work fulltime to support yourself, if someone close to you died on the morning of the LSAT, etc.

Adjusting to college isn't really addendum worthy. I mean, what are you going to say that will really enhance your application? Many freshmen have a hard time adjusting; the circumstance isn't novel, nor is it something that was really earthshattering enough to seriously justify lower grades. It is what it is. There's nothing to explain.

i was very much of the same opinion as you, but then i read Anna ivey's book and she says difficult-adjustment-college-omg (lol, scratch the 'omg') addenda are okay.  in fact, i think she says they're good.  granted anna ivey isn't the end all be all of the admissions process, but i figure her word's pretty good?  idk i (and she) could be dead wrong though.  

the strange thing with me is that when i hear ppl say they had mono or something, i always feel a bit suspicious.  i guess its the cynic in me.  but i feel like Adcomms *must* feel a bit suspicious about all the mono-addenda they read.. no?  idk, what are your opinions?  
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Live Free or Die on December 27, 2008, 10:43:13 PM
A fair warning that I really dislike the proliferation of addenda (IMO, they are whiny, and 95% of them make the author sound entitled and obnoxious), so take this advice with a grain of salt.

I think addenda should only be used for circumstances outside of your control. For example - if you came down with mono in the middle of the semester, if you suddenly had to become a caretaker for a grandparent or child, if you lost your scholarship and had to work fulltime to support yourself, if someone close to you died on the morning of the LSAT, etc.

Adjusting to college isn't really addendum worthy. I mean, what are you going to say that will really enhance your application? Many freshmen have a hard time adjusting; the circumstance isn't novel, nor is it something that was really earthshattering enough to seriously justify lower grades. It is what it is. There's nothing to explain.

i was very much of the same opinion as you, but then i read Anna ivey's book and she says difficult-adjustment-college-omg (lol, scratch the 'omg') addenda are okay.  in fact, i think she says they're good.  granted anna ivey isn't the end all be all of the admissions process, but i figure her word's pretty good?  idk i (and she) could be dead wrong though.  

the strange thing with me is that when i hear ppl say they had mono or something, i always feel a bit suspicious.  i guess its the cynic in me.  but i feel like Adcomms *must* feel a bit suspicious about all the mono-addenda they read.. no?  idk, what are your opinions?  

Probably depends on how severe the mono is. I had mono in my freshman winter but I could still go to class and got good grades.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: rush the rushdie on December 27, 2008, 10:45:38 PM
this is a completely random q, but how long does mono usually last?  is it longer than a flu/cold?  i mean, can you have mono for like a year?  which would really suck, i'd imagine...
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: heartbreaker on December 27, 2008, 10:45:48 PM
A fair warning that I really dislike the proliferation of addenda (IMO, they are whiny, and 95% of them make the author sound entitled and obnoxious), so take this advice with a grain of salt.

I think addenda should only be used for circumstances outside of your control. For example - if you came down with mono in the middle of the semester, if you suddenly had to become a caretaker for a grandparent or child, if you lost your scholarship and had to work fulltime to support yourself, if someone close to you died on the morning of the LSAT, etc.

Adjusting to college isn't really addendum worthy. I mean, what are you going to say that will really enhance your application? Many freshmen have a hard time adjusting; the circumstance isn't novel, nor is it something that was really earthshattering enough to seriously justify lower grades. It is what it is. There's nothing to explain.

i was very much of the same opinion as you, but then i read Anna ivey's book and she says difficult-adjustment-college-omg (lol, scratch the 'omg') addenda are okay.  in fact, i think she says they're good.  granted anna ivey isn't the end all be all of the admissions process, but i figure her word's pretty good?  idk i (and she) could be dead wrong though. 

the strange thing with me is that when i hear ppl say they had mono or something, i always feel a bit suspicious.  i guess its the cynic in me.  but i feel like Adcomms *must* feel a bit suspicious about all the mono-addenda they read.. no?  idk, what are your opinions? 

For mono and other serious illnesses, people often submit additional documentation (ie. letters from deans or doctors) as corroboration. Mono is seriously debilitating (Mario Ancic, a former top 10 tennis player did not play for over a YEAR because of mono). I generally give people the benefit of the doubt on sickness. In fact, I personally would be more suspicious of an "hard time adjusting to college" addendum and see it as "I drank and partied for a year before I got my stuff together" in nicer words.

As for Ivey, it's a great resource, but there's a lot of stuff in there that is outdated (for example - her suggestion to send a hard copy of every application in addition to an electronic copy. that's just not necessary anymore). I believe partially due to Ivey and the rise in professional consulting, as well as increased reliance on prelaw advisors, addenda are on the rise. People are writing addenda about everything under the sun and it's not necessary.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: rush the rushdie on December 27, 2008, 10:48:39 PM
A fair warning that I really dislike the proliferation of addenda (IMO, they are whiny, and 95% of them make the author sound entitled and obnoxious), so take this advice with a grain of salt.

I think addenda should only be used for circumstances outside of your control. For example - if you came down with mono in the middle of the semester, if you suddenly had to become a caretaker for a grandparent or child, if you lost your scholarship and had to work fulltime to support yourself, if someone close to you died on the morning of the LSAT, etc.

Adjusting to college isn't really addendum worthy. I mean, what are you going to say that will really enhance your application? Many freshmen have a hard time adjusting; the circumstance isn't novel, nor is it something that was really earthshattering enough to seriously justify lower grades. It is what it is. There's nothing to explain.

i was very much of the same opinion as you, but then i read Anna ivey's book and she says difficult-adjustment-college-omg (lol, scratch the 'omg') addenda are okay.  in fact, i think she says they're good.  granted anna ivey isn't the end all be all of the admissions process, but i figure her word's pretty good?  idk i (and she) could be dead wrong though. 

the strange thing with me is that when i hear ppl say they had mono or something, i always feel a bit suspicious.  i guess its the cynic in me.  but i feel like Adcomms *must* feel a bit suspicious about all the mono-addenda they read.. no?  idk, what are your opinions? 

For mono and other serious illnesses, people often submit additional documentation (ie. letters from deans or doctors) as corroboration. Mono is seriously debilitating (Mario Ancic, a former top 10 tennis player did not play for over a YEAR because of mono). I generally give people the benefit of the doubt on sickness. In fact, I personally would be more suspicious of an "hard time adjusting to college" addendum and see it as "I drank and partied for a year before I got my stuff together" in nicer words.

As for Ivey, it's a great resource, but there's a lot of stuff in there that is outdated (for example - her suggestion to send a hard copy of every application in addition to an electronic copy. that's just not necessary anymore). I believe partially due to Ivey and the rise in professional consulting, as well as increased reliance on prelaw advisors, addenda are on the rise. People are writing addenda about everything under the sun and it's not necessary.

speaking of tennis players...Roger Federer didn't have his regular run of spectacular grand slam wins b/c he was fighting/recovering from mono!
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: heartbreaker on December 27, 2008, 10:50:04 PM
This is true, but he was still pretty damn spectacular!

Anyway, to stay on topic, submit the addendum if you'd like. It won't break your app, obviously, but I also don't think it will do anything at all to enhance it.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Live Free or Die on December 27, 2008, 10:52:47 PM
A fair warning that I really dislike the proliferation of addenda (IMO, they are whiny, and 95% of them make the author sound entitled and obnoxious), so take this advice with a grain of salt.

I think addenda should only be used for circumstances outside of your control. For example - if you came down with mono in the middle of the semester, if you suddenly had to become a caretaker for a grandparent or child, if you lost your scholarship and had to work fulltime to support yourself, if someone close to you died on the morning of the LSAT, etc.

Adjusting to college isn't really addendum worthy. I mean, what are you going to say that will really enhance your application? Many freshmen have a hard time adjusting; the circumstance isn't novel, nor is it something that was really earthshattering enough to seriously justify lower grades. It is what it is. There's nothing to explain.

i was very much of the same opinion as you, but then i read Anna ivey's book and she says difficult-adjustment-college-omg (lol, scratch the 'omg') addenda are okay.  in fact, i think she says they're good.  granted anna ivey isn't the end all be all of the admissions process, but i figure her word's pretty good?  idk i (and she) could be dead wrong though. 

the strange thing with me is that when i hear ppl say they had mono or something, i always feel a bit suspicious.  i guess its the cynic in me.  but i feel like Adcomms *must* feel a bit suspicious about all the mono-addenda they read.. no?  idk, what are your opinions? 

For mono and other serious illnesses, people often submit additional documentation (ie. letters from deans or doctors) as corroboration. Mono is seriously debilitating (Mario Ancic, a former top 10 tennis player did not play for over a YEAR because of mono). I generally give people the benefit of the doubt on sickness. In fact, I personally would be more suspicious of an "hard time adjusting to college" addendum and see it as "I drank and partied for a year before I got my stuff together" in nicer words.

As for Ivey, it's a great resource, but there's a lot of stuff in there that is outdated (for example - her suggestion to send a hard copy of every application in addition to an electronic copy. that's just not necessary anymore). I believe partially due to Ivey and the rise in professional consulting, as well as increased reliance on prelaw advisors, addenda are on the rise. People are writing addenda about everything under the sun and it's not necessary.

Or you could have the "My freshman year roommate liked to smoke weed in the room with his friends at ungodly hours and snored louder than a chainsaw so I never got any sleep" addendum. Man, I hated freshman year.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: rush the rushdie on December 27, 2008, 10:56:12 PM
i lol'd
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Live Free or Die on December 27, 2008, 11:03:06 PM
Well, to be fair, I live in a frat house now, so not much has changed. Freshman year was still abysmal, though.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: heartbreaker on December 28, 2008, 07:05:26 AM
Britney, I think the ircumstances beyond the adjusting difficulty made the addendum worth writing, especially since there was over a 1pt difference in GPA.

I am admittedly just averse to addenda for GPA and LSAT. Some things just are what they are, and I think in booker's case, an addendum wouldn't make him seem terrible, it's just not particularly necessary.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: Jamie Stringer on December 28, 2008, 10:53:53 AM
Britney, I think the ircumstances beyond the adjusting difficulty made the addendum worth writing, especially since there was over a 1pt difference in GPA.

I am admittedly just averse to addenda for GPA and LSAT. Some things just are what they are, and I think in booker's case, an addendum wouldn't make him seem terrible, it's just not particularly necessary.

I agree with you in booker's case.  Just wanted to put my perspective out there for addenda in case there are others reading ;D

Booker, if you write an addenda for a .3 difference in GPA, it would be exceedingly lame IMO.  Please don't.
Title: Re: LSAC GPA Percentage
Post by: wyatth on February 10, 2009, 03:34:46 PM
Cool thread, everyone. Gives me hope.

I had a trend as well - first and second year GPA: 2.1-2.2 (seriously!!) Third and fourth (so far) year: 3.3!

My total UGPA so far looks like I am going to end with 2.9 (given the specifics). HOLY CRAP!

Hopefully they don't take this all as just cliche.
My situation was not very unique, though... HS was a cake walk so when I came to University (in another country), I did not know how or think I had to study. I also did not plan on LS. This switched right after my 2nd year. I also worked during my first 2 years, and my Grandma whom I was close to, died right before I moved for Univ. Will probably not address much of this, though.