Law School Discussion

Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: lsdreamer on December 11, 2008, 01:41:17 AM

Title: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: lsdreamer on December 11, 2008, 01:41:17 AM
I'm a 2nd year student at Thomas Jefferson School of Law (TJSL) in San Diego...And I love it. I came onto lawschooldiscussion while deciding whether or not to go back in 2006, and ran into so many TJSL bashers. I swear, it was almost as though people enjoyed ripping apart a school they'd never even been to. I'm so glad I didn't listen...I love it here-the staff and faculty are awesome...they actually care how we do and who we are, which is evidenced by the huge leap in our bar passage rate! 75% in 2008! Take that, all you Tier 1 snobs who enjoy bashing schools not in your tier. We are on the rise...A new campus is also being built in downtown San Diego.

Just to give you an example of the awesome administration, during my first semester, my Dad was in the ICU and I happened to talk to one of the head Deans about what was going on...in the conversation, I mentioned my apartment didn't have heat (and in a really bad winter-for us--yeah, it's all relative, but it was 26 degrees!). She got up, went into another staff member's office, unplugged a space heater out of the wall and said, "She's going to use this for a while. " She even offered me extra blankets...How many administrators in a law school would do that? Not only that...most every teacher I've had has been excellent-very available to students. 

I'm happy to be at a school that I actually enjoy going to. You can't always say that for some of the elite schools. And where else in the country can you take your books to the beach and study! Anyways, I just saw SO many negative things about Thomas Jefferson on this site ("You won't get a job if you go there", etc...) while I was deciding if I should go. In my second semester, after receiving the high grade award in legal writing, I was given a clerkshiip with a notable labor rights attorney, which I did for a year. I've since had 2 awesome jobs. I don't  say that to brag, only to underscore that it's not WHERE you go, but what kind of PASSION you have and how hard you work. If you don't have that, you won't do well anywhere. If  you have it, you can succeed at any school. Good luck and if any potential TJSLers have questions, I'm happy to help.    :D

I just had to show some school pride.    :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/sddt/20081125/lo_sddt/statebarexampassageratehighestinadecade

http://www.tjsl.edu/ground_breaking

http://news.yahoo.com/s/sddt/20081125/lo_sddt/statebarexampassageratehighestinadecade
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: Big Boy Pants on December 11, 2008, 04:07:02 PM
Great news about the new building.  I did kinda like the spanish-style one but I think a lot of currents students didn't like old town so much-too touristy.

Can you tell us about some of the employers that show up at OCI?

Do you have summer job lined up?

Do you have a job lined up for after graduation?

Can you tell us where people go from the top 10% of the class?

Do they have forced attrition?

Oh, btw, this year had the highest bar pass rate in about 10 years, not necessarily the most difficult.  Still, 75% is pretty good.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: lsdreamer on December 11, 2008, 05:56:02 PM
Great news about the new building.  I did kinda like the spanish-style one but I think a lot of currents students didn't like old town so much-too touristy.

Can you tell us about some of the employers that show up at OCI?

Do you have summer job lined up?

Do you have a job lined up for after graduation?

Can you tell us where people go from the top 10% of the class?

Do they have forced attrition?

Oh, btw, this year had the highest bar pass rate in about 10 years, not necessarily the most difficult.  Still, 75% is pretty good.

Wow! That's a lot of questions!!! Are you asking b/c you want to go there? Here's what I CAN answer...A job lined up for graduation? I'm finishing my 4th semester...So, like most people I don't. I have a Spring and Summer internsip lined up, as do most all the students in my graduating class. I don't graduate until after Fall of 09'.  I don't know what thte forced attrition rate is...In my Spring entering class, only 3-4 people didn't continue on out of 80-or so. I don't think that's very high. And why do you only care where the top 10% go? Sounds a bit snobby... I have never had to do an on-campus interview, so I wouldn't know that but could easily find out...but, I'm not interested in just obtaining info to prove to you that TJSL is not a crappy school...only if you're genuinely interested b/c that's asking a lot of my time. Take care...
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: non parata est on December 11, 2008, 07:16:43 PM
And why do you only care where the top 10% go? Sounds a bit snobby... I have never had to do an on-campus interview, so I wouldn't know that but could easily find out...but, I'm not interested in just obtaining info to prove to you that TJSL is not a crappy school...only if you're genuinely interested b/c that's asking a lot of my time. Take care...

You want to help out TJSL?  The best thing you can do is quit posting on here, because my opinion of the school lowers with every word you type.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: lsdreamer on December 11, 2008, 07:54:40 PM
And why do you only care where the top 10% go? Sounds a bit snobby... I have never had to do an on-campus interview, so I wouldn't know that but could easily find out...but, I'm not interested in just obtaining info to prove to you that TJSL is not a crappy school...only if you're genuinely interested b/c that's asking a lot of my time. Take care...

You want to help out TJSL?  The best thing you can do is quit posting on here, because my opinion of the school lowers with every word you type.

I'm sorry it bothers you so much. I didn't write my post in the hopes that your opinion wouldn't lower, b/c I doubt (w/ your cocky/trollish attitude), you're even planning on going to TJSL. This post is for students interested in going to the school.  Seems extremely odd you even took the energy to get worked up over my words. Perhaps you can spend a session w/ your therapist on it. Good luck w/ that. :D
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: non parata est on December 11, 2008, 08:02:40 PM
(http://www.tshirtbordello.com/images/stay-Classy-shirt-lg.gif)
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: Mulliganstew on December 11, 2008, 08:53:15 PM
No offense, but you do kind of sound like a cheerleader/adcomm.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: rabbitz on December 11, 2008, 09:33:57 PM
It's nice to read a perspective of someone who doesn't go to a top 25 school. The reality is that most law students don't go to these schools and websites like this and TLS sort of terrify people into thinking they won't get a job etc. I think that people forget that where you go to law school only matters for your first job and if you're dedicated and network well, I believe you can get a job anywhere you go. Several of my friends and family have attended low T2 - T4 (including IU-Indy, SLU, Valparaiso and FLorida Coastal) schools and everyone one of them has a successful job that makes decent money and has only said positive things about their law school experience. Also, many of these people have been able to carry their "unknown" degree out of state.

Anyways, I am happy for your school and am glad you giving a voice to lower ranked, but still reputable, schools.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: lsdreamer on December 11, 2008, 09:50:35 PM
No offense, but you do kind of sound like a cheerleader/adcomm.

No...not an adcomm(whatever that is) and DEFINITELY never been a cheerleader...just a positive person who thinks my school deserves props. You can look at my posting history to see I am a real person, who overcame a lot of personal challenges to get to law school and in my first semester. I wanted to be a lawyer more than anything and, honestly, the pervasively negative posts on here about TJSL almost swayed me not to go. I think there are a lot of students who, due to challenging life circumstances, may not have the money/time to study as much for the LSAT, but want nothing more than to advocate for others as an attorney. Many of  them come on here looking for advice/direction. A large amount of the posts are directed at Tier 1's/2's/3's. Anytime a student thinking about a tier 4 posts, I noticed people tackle and pick apart the post, throwing every negative remark they can think of at the poster. I think it's only fair to balance that negativity out w/ some positive energy and encouragement.   :D
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: Mulliganstew on December 11, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
I think maybe it was the fact that you're too positive that got to me. I need a little cynicism to swallow that kind of positivity.

That said, last year I almost considered Thomas Jefferson for entertainment law, but I was scared away since. Kept hearing bad things about it. But, hey, if things are looking up, congrats.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: lsdreamer on December 11, 2008, 10:04:52 PM
I think maybe it was the fact that you're too positive that got to me. I need a little cynicism to swallow that kind of positivity.

That said, last year I almost considered Thomas Jefferson for entertainment law, but I was scared away since. Kept hearing bad things about it. But, hey, if things are looking up, congrats.

 ;) Thanks.  Yeah...I'm a positive person. But, not the kind of person who thinks every day  is filled w/ rainbows and sushine.  :) But, just wanted to share my positive experience. Take care! Bye the way, the Entertainment Law program is really good. A guy from my school just got an internship w/ SAG in Los Angeles. You going somewhere now? If you need  any info on Entertainment  Law and are still considering going, you could email the Entertainment Law Society (club-on campus).
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: Big Boy Pants on December 11, 2008, 10:33:39 PM

Wow! That's a lot of questions!!! Are you asking b/c you want to go there? Here's what I CAN answer...A job lined up for graduation? I'm finishing my 4th semester...So, like most people I don't. I have a Spring and Summer internsip lined up, as do most all the students in my graduating class. I don't graduate until after Fall of 09'.  I don't know what thte forced attrition rate is...In my Spring entering class, only 3-4 people didn't continue on out of 80-or so. I don't think that's very high. And why do you only care where the top 10% go? Sounds a bit snobby... I have never had to do an on-campus interview, so I wouldn't know that but could easily find out...but, I'm not interested in just obtaining info to prove to you that TJSL is not a crappy school...only if you're genuinely interested b/c that's asking a lot of my time. Take care...

I'm applying to all SD schools because I am from there and it would be easier.  I would expect a scholarship from TJSL and Cal Western, as safeties, but in the end am more likely to go to a higher-ranked school based upon some info on this site, mostly job opportunities.  Thanks for your response. Thank you internet!
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: LawDog3 on January 16, 2009, 03:37:55 PM
No offense, but you do kind of sound like a cheerleader/adcomm.

No...not an adcomm(whatever that is) and DEFINITELY never been a cheerleader...just a positive person who thinks my school deserves props. You can look at my posting history to see I am a real person, who overcame a lot of personal challenges to get to law school and in my first semester. I wanted to be a lawyer more than anything and, honestly, the pervasively negative posts on here about TJSL almost swayed me not to go. I think there are a lot of students who, due to challenging life circumstances, may not have the money/time to study as much for the LSAT, but want nothing more than to advocate for others as an attorney. Many of  them come on here looking for advice/direction. A large amount of the posts are directed at Tier 1's/2's/3's. Anytime a student thinking about a tier 4 posts, I noticed people tackle and pick apart the post, throwing every negative remark they can think of at the poster. I think it's only fair to balance that negativity out w/ some positive energy and encouragement.   :D

TJLS did a great thing when they admitted you. You are a great advocate for them. I am with you and the other T2-T4 rah-rahs. I favor the top schools, and I have the credentials to go to them, but the only reason I will is that the top schools give easier access to those high-paying 1A jobs. Other than that, I can name many T-2 and T-3 schools (and I have visited and sat in on many) that I would pick over top schools. The allure of top schools is in the names that lead to better opportunities. It isn't like they're doing something better than the others schools.

Ever hear of a school called Albany? How about Akron or Dayton? Gonzaga (it has produced 1/4 of Washington State's top lawyers)? Howard (which beats out many top-30 schools in job placement? How about Pacific or Quinnepac? Oregon? Hofstra (it has quite a few graduates in NY BigLaw)? Miami? San Diego? Florida State? Wayne State? Denver? All are fantastic schools.

The fact is, law schools should be looked at like the NBA. If we were aliens visiting the planet Earth and looked at the law rankings, we might think those "lower-ranked" schools were pretty bad. But, the fact is, they all can play the game...just like every NBA player. Could anybody on this website beat the #12 guy on any NBA team? No. Because every player is good, even the comparatively "crappy ones", just by virtue of having reached that level...the same way that just about any American law school can provide an excellent education for a student who has the motivation to get one. But 1A jobs are the key, and those mainly come from the top. 

Yeah, Cooley and some others have kinks to work out, or they should close. And some of the elites w/o schools (Brown, Princeton, MIT, Cal-Techshould consider opening schools to replace the bad ones. But legal education in this country is such that one can build a good foundation no matter where he/she attends, it's that good.  But schools like Cooley need to work out the kinks.

 
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: willametterules on January 16, 2009, 10:20:18 PM
I'm a 2nd year student at Thomas Jefferson School of Law (TJSL) in San Diego...And I love it. I came onto lawschooldiscussion while deciding whether or not to go back in 2006, and ran into so many TJSL bashers. I swear, it was almost as though people enjoyed ripping apart a school they'd never even been to. I'm so glad I didn't listen...I love it here-the staff and faculty are awesome...they actually care how we do and who we are, which is evidenced by the huge leap in our bar passage rate! 75% in 2008! Take that, all you Tier 1 snobs who enjoy bashing schools not in your tier. We are on the rise...A new campus is also being built in downtown San Diego.

Just to give you an example of the awesome administration, during my first semester, my Dad was in the ICU and I happened to talk to one of the head Deans about what was going on...in the conversation, I mentioned my apartment didn't have heat (and in a really bad winter-for us--yeah, it's all relative, but it was 26 degrees!). She got up, went into another staff member's office, unplugged a space heater out of the wall and said, "She's going to use this for a while. " She even offered me extra blankets...How many administrators in a law school would do that? Not only that...most every teacher I've had has been excellent-very available to students. 

I'm happy to be at a school that I actually enjoy going to. You can't always say that for some of the elite schools. And where else in the country can you take your books to the beach and study! Anyways, I just saw SO many negative things about Thomas Jefferson on this site ("You won't get a job if you go there", etc...) while I was deciding if I should go. In my second semester, after receiving the high grade award in legal writing, I was given a clerkshiip with a notable labor rights attorney, which I did for a year. I've since had 2 awesome jobs. I don't  say that to brag, only to underscore that it's not WHERE you go, but what kind of PASSION you have and how hard you work. If you don't have that, you won't do well anywhere. If  you have it, you can succeed at any school. Good luck and if any potential TJSLers have questions, I'm happy to help.    :D

I just had to show some school pride.    :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/sddt/20081125/lo_sddt/statebarexampassageratehighestinadecade

http://www.tjsl.edu/ground_breaking

http://news.yahoo.com/s/sddt/20081125/lo_sddt/statebarexampassageratehighestinadecade

This idiot made this exact same "free space heater" post over a year ago... and got all pissy when asked about the ridiculous attrition rates at the school. 

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,80685.msg1929318.html#msg1929318


Any fool can can see that if you flunk out 37% of the entering 1Ls by graduation, your bar passage rates will rise.  That "new" building will be built on the backs of all the uninformed tuition paying flunk outs that this school victimized... There are T4s that actually take an interest and support their students, this joint isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: LawDog3 on January 16, 2009, 11:26:43 PM
I'm a 2nd year student at Thomas Jefferson School of Law (TJSL) in San Diego...And I love it. I came onto lawschooldiscussion while deciding whether or not to go back in 2006, and ran into so many TJSL bashers. I swear, it was almost as though people enjoyed ripping apart a school they'd never even been to. I'm so glad I didn't listen...I love it here-the staff and faculty are awesome...they actually care how we do and who we are, which is evidenced by the huge leap in our bar passage rate! 75% in 2008! Take that, all you Tier 1 snobs who enjoy bashing schools not in your tier. We are on the rise...A new campus is also being built in downtown San Diego.

Just to give you an example of the awesome administration, during my first semester, my Dad was in the ICU and I happened to talk to one of the head Deans about what was going on...in the conversation, I mentioned my apartment didn't have heat (and in a really bad winter-for us--yeah, it's all relative, but it was 26 degrees!). She got up, went into another staff member's office, unplugged a space heater out of the wall and said, "She's going to use this for a while. " She even offered me extra blankets...How many administrators in a law school would do that? Not only that...most every teacher I've had has been excellent-very available to students. 

I'm happy to be at a school that I actually enjoy going to. You can't always say that for some of the elite schools. And where else in the country can you take your books to the beach and study! Anyways, I just saw SO many negative things about Thomas Jefferson on this site ("You won't get a job if you go there", etc...) while I was deciding if I should go. In my second semester, after receiving the high grade award in legal writing, I was given a clerkshiip with a notable labor rights attorney, which I did for a year. I've since had 2 awesome jobs. I don't  say that to brag, only to underscore that it's not WHERE you go, but what kind of PASSION you have and how hard you work. If you don't have that, you won't do well anywhere. If  you have it, you can succeed at any school. Good luck and if any potential TJSLers have questions, I'm happy to help.    :D

I just had to show some school pride.    :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/sddt/20081125/lo_sddt/statebarexampassageratehighestinadecade

http://www.tjsl.edu/ground_breaking

http://news.yahoo.com/s/sddt/20081125/lo_sddt/statebarexampassageratehighestinadecade

This idiot made this exact same "free space heater" post over a year ago... and got all pissy when asked about the ridiculous attrition rates at the school. 

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,80685.msg1929318.html#msg1929318


Any fool can can see that if you flunk out 37% of the entering 1Ls by graduation, your bar passage rates will rise.  That "new" building will be built on the backs of all the uninformed tuition paying flunk outs that this school victimized... There are T4s that actually take an interest and support their students, this joint isn't one of them.

Wow...didn't realize TJSL was "Cooley Southwest", nor that the Original-Poster might be an "Im-Poster". It's obviously an administrator trying to hype the school, a current student who now realizes he/she is stuck at a lousy school or a graduate looking for a job. I take back my accolades for the OP. But my other general comments regarding undervalued schools still stand.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: T. Durden on January 17, 2009, 04:50:27 AM
this thread just keeps paying dividends.

the honest truth it that once biglaw starts outsourcing its K attny work in earnest (India, Israel, wherever) schools like TJ and Cal Western will inevitably watch their employment numbers plummet bird-strike style ... except there won't be a Sully to bail them out .. instead, just a deep, murky watery grave at the bottom of some frigid, poo-brown east coast river. that's right, i said it.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: T. Durden on January 17, 2009, 05:28:47 AM
haha you are quiet the patient one
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: vlu on March 14, 2009, 02:27:45 PM
so is TJ really this bad? I mean it's the only school i got accepted to so far, I got rejected from whittier law school, california western, and waitlisted at western state...
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: iahurricane on March 14, 2009, 05:25:30 PM
LOL at how none of the OP's links don't even work. I'll refrain from ripping into her since she's kinda cute (if thats her pic).
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: zippyandzap on March 14, 2009, 05:27:17 PM
LOL at how none of the OP's links don't even work. I'll refrain from ripping into her since she's kinda cute (if thats her pic).

ALL of them don't work!
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: Kevin. on March 15, 2009, 02:31:02 PM
Re: Which firms come to TSJ OCI?

From the NALP directory, the following firms/orgs come:

Alverson, Taylor, Mortensen & Sanders       Las Vegas   NV
   Law Offices of the Riverside Public Defender       Riverside   CA
   Office of the Attorney General, California Department of Justice       Sacramento   CA
   Office of the United States Attorney - Southern District of California       San Diego   CA
   San Diego County Office of the Public Defender   Workplace Questionnaire   San Diego   CA
   U.S. AIR FORCE JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL'S CORPS   Workplace Questionnaire   WASHINGTON   DC
   U.S. Army Judge Advocate General's Corps       Washington   DC
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: vlu on March 16, 2009, 01:47:34 AM
I'm guessing that's not a lot at all... man this is worrying me a bit, maybe I should just try to transfer out after the first year
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: Cloud'nBolt on March 27, 2009, 12:05:49 AM
The only number that matters is 38%... the amount of 1Ls no longer with the class at graduation.  89 students and only 28 were transfers. 

http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA4973.pdf


The San Diego Local Pre-Law Perspective: TJSL is a solid, up-in coming school, especially in comparison to the other two law schools in town. Ive noticed how most of these assessments of Thomas J are only taking things at face value.  Ive got a few misunderstandings that I feel obligated to clarify, but ill start off with TJ TROLL’s because it’s the most recent, and easier one that I can warm up on…
If we look solely look at the stats from LSAC (ABA Approved Law Schools):
http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA4973.pdf (http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA4973.pdf)

Thomas J
   After 1L
      ~4% (20 people) forced to leave due to academic reasons
      ~6% (30 people) left for other reasons
   After 2L & 3L
      5 people leave due to academics
      34 people leave for other reasons

*So the reason why you are coming up with 38% of students not finishing, is because you have more than 30% leaving for other reasons other than academics after the three years. Im not sure if you have checked the profile of the school, but a good number of students at TJSL are parents, working professionals, and others who have multiple obligations to juggle with in addition to Law School.  After the first and most challenging year, only 4% of students were forced to leave because they couldn’t make the grades. In comparison, that’s not half bad.  USD is 3%, and Cal Western is 12%.
(if you would like to know my math, feel free to check)
   TJSL: -20(academic) -30(other)= -50 (11% out)……4% Academic Attrition
   Cal W: -39(academic) -60(other)= -99 (30%out)…..12% Academic Attrition
   USD: -9(academic) -29(other)= -38 (11%out)……….3% Academic Attrition
Cal Western:http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA4802.pdf (http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA4802.pdf)
USD: http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA4849.pdf (http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage_PDFs/ABA_LawSchoolData/ABA4849.pdf)
 
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: ThisisIT on March 27, 2009, 12:34:12 AM
Sweet blahg brah.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: southerncallaw on March 29, 2009, 01:13:22 PM
There are people that have over 1000 posts on this site.  Get a life!

The same "big law" snobs say the same thing about all "4th tier" schools...  horrible attrition rates.  Sure.  You accept people who might or might not make it... some of them, ob course, fail out.  You get their money, you build your school... get over it.

Also, you get no job.  Bulls**t.  You have to work hard at these schools (like any school).  Pass the bar... make law review if you can.  Jobs are available.  They wont be "big law" jobs paying 125k a year so it would be smart not to run up a huge tab attending....

But... to add to the topic: I am thinking of attending TJ.  I have not received word of $$ yet, so I dont know.  Their new building will be open in 2010 which is exciting.  Big library.  Some great profs. 
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: kennedyposter on March 29, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
OP's entire post is reminiscent of one of those creepy cult propaganda things that everyone knows is crazy...yall know what I'm talking about?
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: vlu on June 08, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
There are people that have over 1000 posts on this site.  Get a life!

The same "big law" snobs say the same thing about all "4th tier" schools...  horrible attrition rates.  Sure.  You accept people who might or might not make it... some of them, ob course, fail out.  You get their money, you build your school... get over it.

Also, you get no job.  Bulls**t.  You have to work hard at these schools (like any school).  Pass the bar... make law review if you can.  Jobs are available.  They wont be "big law" jobs paying 125k a year so it would be smart not to run up a huge tab attending....

But... to add to the topic: I am thinking of attending TJ.  I have not received word of $$ yet, so I dont know.  Their new building will be open in 2010 which is exciting.  Big library.  Some great profs. 


I'm with you on this one. For some reason I always had a feeling that posting in a site like this would inevitably lead you to come across ignorant over-achievers who enjoys putting other people down. If Isisdreamer is able to create a post that advocates TJSL let her be, I don't think any top 20 prospective students should have any business reading something t3 prospective students are interested in.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: lsdreamer on August 09, 2011, 11:04:19 PM
I was the original poster of this post, so I wanted to just take a minute to give hope to anyone looking at a T4. I went to TJSL (Thomas Jefferson School of Law) and had a great experience. I passed the California bar exam and have had an amazing job with a huge CA firm for over a year. I make excellent money and am one of the few people I know (from any school) who is gainfully employed during this crappy economy. I just want to give those of you who end up at a T4 some hope. It truly does not matter where you go (ok-you do need to go to an ABA accredited school). The critical thing is to take legal writing seriously! Kick a$$ in that class. The great thing about TJSL is that it has 2 semesters of legal writing (most schools have one). Use those semesters to try and be at the top of your legal writing class. If you have to, get a tutor. Do whatever it takes. When you see legal writing competitions, enter them. My current boss was most impressed w my legal writing skills. Legal writing is SO important and most students blow that class off for some reason. Next, GET JOB EXPERIENCE WHILE IN SCHOOL! T4 students are at a disadvantage in that it's harder to get your foot in the door for jobs after law school. But I've talked to countless attorneys who tell me they'd rather have a hardworking student, with lots of experience (who writes well) from a T 4 than some lazy, indulged student from a T1 who did great in his classes but has no work experience. 

I'm not saying this to put anyone down. Regardless of the level of school, legal writing is critical. But I just had such a negative experience on here w people telling me not to go to TJSL, that I'd never get a job, and that T4's were a joke. I wanted to follow up and let you know you CAN be very successful coming out of a T4.  I had great teachers at TJSL who graduated from T1's with honors. Ranking does NOT matter. Law school is all what you make of it. If you want to be an attorney badly enough, don't let school rankings stop or dissuade you from following your dream. All my best.   :)
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: like_lasagna on August 10, 2011, 12:30:29 AM
Ranking does NOT matter.

This is as objectively false of a statement as you could have made.

The two best ways to get a job:

1. Go to a higher ranked school.
2. Get better grades (and achieve a higher class rank).

Ranking is pretty much all that matters.


Any thoughts on your school getting sued by some former students?
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: Cher1300 on August 10, 2011, 03:02:05 PM
Ranking does NOT matter.

This is as objectively false of a statement as you could have made.

The two best ways to get a job:

1. Go to a higher ranked school.
2. Get better grades (and achieve a higher class rank).

Ranking is pretty much all that matters.


Any thoughts on your school getting sued by some former students?

I have to say you are both a bit correct.  Over the years, I've noticed that networking is really key to getting a job - no matter what your profession.  If you go to law school just out of undergrad with no work experience and don't know a single attorney, then yes, it is necessary to go to a great school and get better grades.  The desparation is greater when you have undergrad debt in addition to law school debt and no way to pay your bills.  The only way you can get a job and meet attorneys is through law school.  So yes, your school ranking would matter more.

However, if you're like me, older, working, and already have connections set up, then it really doesn't matter which school you go to.   I have no desire to work for big law, and I'll have a job waiting for me when I graduate.  But let's say that job doesn't pan out.  I know numerous attorney's from work - including our own legal department - that will help when it comes time to find a job.  One of these attorneys has already told me to let him know when I'm ready to intern with his office.  I also know an attorney who got a 143 on her LSAT, went to Cooley, and has a successful solo practice she inherited from her father.  Do you think her clients ask her where she went to law school? 

Employment boils down to much more than rankings, I can assure you.  Networking is everything, and rankings are important when you have no network.  So I believe you both have point, it just depends on where one is at in their life. 
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: like_lasagna on August 14, 2011, 02:27:51 PM
The statement was that ranking does not matter. It obviously, obviously does. Other things might matter too, but rankings do matter and you're lying to yourself if you say otherwise.
Title: Re: Go Thomas Jefferson School of Law! On the Rise... :)
Post by: lsdreamer on August 17, 2011, 12:16:23 AM
Oh Lord, people. Really?  Yes-rankings matter...TO A POINT. Does that make you ranking climbers happy? Of course rankings matter. We all know they do. My point is they are not EVERYTHING. I don't like that people come on here bashing lower ranked schools, and spout completely false facts about job prospects if you go to a T3 or T4. The message repeated over and over on here is ranking is everything. I'm merely stating that it is not. Can you really argue with that?

And to the person w the smart a$$ comment, asking about how I personally feel that my school is being sued?  ???You should get your facts down before you make comments like that. Have you read the complaint? It's laughable and will undoubtedly be thrown out. Suing someone does not make it true. You should know better than that. The lawsuit is by a disgruntled student complaining, in a horrible economy (especially for legal jobs), that she didn't get a job post-law school, even though the career center said if she got good grades she'd "get a job". What the plaintiff failed to rule out was her job experience (or lack thereof), her own personality, her interviewing skills, etc...Additionally, I worked closely w the career center over the 3 years I attended TJSL and they never once guaranteed me anything. That wasn't their style. They just said to work hard and went out of their way to help us all w resumes, networking, and securing internships. It wasn't that kind of vibe at the career center. The people working there were/are down to earth, kind people and I think the plaintiff in this case is really off the mark. This lawsuit is someone crying sour grapes and I think it's shameful. That's my opinion about that silly lawsuit.

It's amazing how, when someone tries to encourage others on here, a few negative people always jump out to make these types of comments. Can't we all just get along? ;)
To end on a positive note, anyone considering going to a T3 or T4...go for it-but do so knowing you need to work hard to network, get good grades, and get job experience during law school. Don't let anyone shoot down your dreams. All my best. :)