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Law Students => Current Law Students => Topic started by: The Artist on December 09, 2008, 08:27:13 PM

Title: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: The Artist on December 09, 2008, 08:27:13 PM
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 09, 2008, 08:36:26 PM
listen to tm, he's a father to us all
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: The Artist on December 09, 2008, 08:51:23 PM
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

yes.  stop whining and go study.

and u base this on....
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: heartbreaker on December 09, 2008, 08:54:09 PM
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

Come on, I'm an 0L and even I know these jobs are basically non-existent for grads straight out of law school.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: goaliechica on December 09, 2008, 08:56:56 PM
This seems like a question for matthies.

I think the simple answer is: better grades will almost always help, but how much they matter will depend on....a lot of stuff.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: The Artist on December 09, 2008, 08:57:54 PM
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

Come on, I'm an 0L and even I know these jobs are basically non-existent for grads straight out of law school.

And you know this based on what? Nobody on this board really talks about non-biglaw jobs very often.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on December 09, 2008, 09:19:32 PM
Ever seen a graph for salary distributions straight out of law school?
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: The Artist on December 09, 2008, 09:35:58 PM
Ever seen a graph for salary distributions straight out of law school?

I have. Most jobs are either over $100k or under some other number (I don't remember). But there do still exist thousands of jobs in between. They just aren't as prevalent.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: greenie on December 09, 2008, 09:43:46 PM
The first thing ANY employer, biglaw or non biglaw will look at is grades.  Biglaw just happens to be more stuck up open about it and I'm pretty sure they have cut offs unless you really know someone or something amazing happens.  "Regular" law firms will look to that first thing on your resume.  Even public interest is competitive.  Hell, any legal jobs for attorneys are competitive, and even moreso in this economy.  Grades matter anywhere. 

I would say the sort of clear area you can possibly escape from this is if you do public interest and show a clear dedication to "the cause".  If you want to be a domestic violence advocate, for example, showing you've been working in a clinic for three years, is going to be more impressive than your grades.  If it's you vs. someone with better grades, they'll take you because they know you're committed to the cause.  That being said, they would also like you to have good grades.  I know the public defenders program is also less picky when it comes to grades, because, again they would value commitment over grades.

They always matter, just the more "high ranking" or competitive a job you're seeking, the more important they become.  There are always ways to overcome grades, or at least can mitigate them - good interview skills, experience, networking, extracurriculars (if you founded something or did something impressive, not just being in them).
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: greenie on December 09, 2008, 09:49:02 PM
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

yes.  stop whining and go study.

and u base this on....

there's a lot of information on this very subject in this thread: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,80098.0.html (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

hahahahaha  :D :D :D
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: The Artist on December 09, 2008, 10:11:50 PM
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

yes.  stop whining and go study.

and u base this on....

there's a lot of information on this very subject in this thread: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,80098.0.html (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

hahahahaha  :D :D :D

Wow, the ultimate rick roller just got rick roll'd
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: dashrashi on December 10, 2008, 08:51:22 AM
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

yes.  stop whining and go study.

and u base this on....

One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

Come on, I'm an 0L and even I know these jobs are basically non-existent for grads straight out of law school.

And you know this based on what? Nobody on this board really talks about non-biglaw jobs very often.

Gosh, you are a rude little pill, aren't you.

"Says who?" "Oh yeah?" "Make me!" "So's yer mom!"

There's a polite way to ask for clarification, or what else a person knows about the subject. This is not even close.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 10, 2008, 09:00:32 AM
what are you, dash?  A Canadian breakfast buffet?
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: greenie on December 10, 2008, 09:02:21 AM
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

yes.  stop whining and go study.

and u base this on....

One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

Come on, I'm an 0L and even I know these jobs are basically non-existent for grads straight out of law school.

And you know this based on what? Nobody on this board really talks about non-biglaw jobs very often.

Gosh, you are a rude little pill, aren't you.

"Says who?" "Oh yeah?" "Make me!" "So's yer mom!"

There's a polite way to ask for clarification, or what else a person knows about the subject. This is not even close.

I agree.  You  come here asking a question and then dismiss everyone.  Maybe it's just not what you want to hear.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: dashrashi on December 10, 2008, 09:03:21 AM
what are you, dash?  A Canadian breakfast buffet?

I googled this and I still have no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 10, 2008, 09:07:07 AM
what are you, dash?  A Canadian breakfast buffet?

I googled this and I still have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm talking about your avatar.  Admittedly, I'm not sure where the Canadian part came from.  I think it's because I see ham.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: dashrashi on December 10, 2008, 09:08:16 AM
You don't see ham. You see gelato.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 10, 2008, 09:10:41 AM
Still delicious, but in a totally different way.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: greenie on December 10, 2008, 10:05:48 AM
You don't see ham. You see gelato.

SEE?  i'm not the only one who thinks it's cold cuts.

I thought so too :P
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: Susan B. Anthony on December 10, 2008, 10:12:38 AM
You don't see ham. You see gelato.

SEE?  i'm not the only one who thinks it's cold cuts.

I thought so too :P

wtf is wrong with you people
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: dashrashi on December 10, 2008, 10:45:54 AM
You don't see ham. You see gelato.

SEE?  i'm not the only one who thinks it's cold cuts.

I thought so too :P

wtf is wrong with you people

I KNOW. I KNOW.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 10, 2008, 10:48:04 AM
Is it really such a crime to see meat where there is no meat?
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: imwithhappy on December 10, 2008, 11:03:58 AM
Is it really such a crime to see meat where there is no meat?

....as you constantly remind your S.O.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: Pula_86 on December 10, 2008, 06:33:20 PM
Better grades give you more options, but it's not determinative. Even people getting Cs are spending are investing a lot of time into law school so why no make the extra effort to do as best you can. My argument it doesn't hurt to have good grades.
Title: Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
Post by: imwithhappy on December 10, 2008, 07:07:57 PM
Better grades give you more options, but it's not determinative. Even people getting Cs are spending are investing a lot of time into law school so why no make the extra effort to do as best you can. My argument it doesn't hurt to have good grades.

argument my is good is English.   ;D