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Title: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 02, 2008, 11:04:29 PM
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Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Papa Bear on December 02, 2008, 11:08:36 PM
yes
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 02, 2008, 11:16:19 PM
I'm considering not fully outlining for two classes.  I feel like I've got a pretty good handle on the material, am working from another's outline and feel my time would be better served attacking a stack of old exams I got from the library.

What do you think about that strategy?
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: goaliechica on December 02, 2008, 11:16:44 PM
I'm considering not fully outlining for two classes.  I feel like I've got a pretty good handle on the material, am working from another's outline and feel my time would be better served attacking a stack of old exams I got from the library.

What do you think about that strategy?

A lot of people do that. It is not a bad plan.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Miss P on December 03, 2008, 12:13:25 AM
I do it consistently.  It works out.  If you plan to use the outline during the exam, just spend a little time to reformat it in a way that works for you, check for errors, insert some missing information, etc.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: papercranes on December 03, 2008, 12:18:18 AM
granted I've never taken an exam but I got ahold of a GREAT civ pro outline that is 100x better than mine would have been. studying and modifying as necessary.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Matthies on December 03, 2008, 07:47:42 AM
I've only made a few outlines in law school, it can be done, I know people who don't use outlines at all just make flash cards, use what works for you
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: UFBoldAsLove on December 03, 2008, 08:43:54 AM
I say its fine as long as you actually do have a good grasp of the material. Take a couple practice exams quickly, if you are missing a lot of issues... then try to at least force yourself to write down those concepts in your own words.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Johnie Awesome on December 05, 2008, 10:49:33 AM
I have heard this question from a few underclassmen at my school.  My advice is the same, for the first semester you MUST write an outline for every class.  After you get your feet wet with law school exams and grading you can tweak your system to fit your needs, but for the first semester I would take the extra steps and write a full comprehensive outine.  Using someone else's outline, in my opinion, is the most dangerous trap you can set for yourself.  It's hardly the information in the outline that provides the best exam prep, but the actual outline writing that forces you to pull everything together in a cohesive fashion. 

I didn't feel like spell checking or re-reading this post, so I don't care if there's grammar or spelling errors.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Susan B. Anthony on December 05, 2008, 11:18:42 AM
I've never actually made my own outline for a class. I sort of did once.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 05, 2008, 11:43:44 AM
I've never actually made my own outline for a class. I sort of did once.

how did you do, sue?
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Susan B. Anthony on December 05, 2008, 12:28:04 PM
I've never actually made my own outline for a class. I sort of did once.

how did you do, sue?

I did fairly well. My school doesn't rank, so hard to say.

I should say that I don't necessarily recommend the method. But if you can get your hands on solid outlines from other people and it works with your learning/studying style to study from that outline, it's certainly not the end of the world. Don't try to force something that doesn't work for you.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 05, 2008, 01:26:33 PM
I'm adopting sort of a hybrid technique.  I started using other peoples' outlines and I've now completely mangled them (added/subtracted).  We'll see if it works. 
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 05, 2008, 01:29:44 PM
The answer to the question asked is OMG YES ARE YOU JOKING.

Different from whether you should, or whether it's a good idea. I don't have enough experience to say. Although I did best in the class where I pretty much only used a commercial outline (Emanuel, I think). I often feel like I don't have good enough connections to others to get hold of other outlines, so I often end up starting to outline and then run out of time and just cram by reading my notes over and over. I...don't recommend this.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 06, 2008, 11:25:03 AM
I'm only a 1L, so take this with the usual salt:

I'm very disorganized, and I take notes by hand, so my outlines were crap.  I mean, they were absolute crap.  To make matters worse, I used a ton of hornbooks and commercial outlines to get the big picture, and didn't pay attention in class as much as I should have.  (I certainly didn't transcribe things.  I had maybe a page of notes every day, and it was all big picture.)

Luckily, I'm friends with 2Ls and 3Ls who were gracious enough to give me their outlines, and I used them while taking practice exams and did fine on the practice exams.

As I understand it, and correct me if I'm wrong, you want an outline that you know cold and that is a point-adding machine.  My CivPro outline, for instance, is a checklist.  Nothing more.  I know the rules cold, but I can glance down at, say, Rule 48, and know that there are 6-12 people on a jury.  I also have some policy stuff, like Twombly and the plausible standard.

What is an outline?  It's just a brief summary of the relevant BLL and topics in the course.  Nothing more.  You don't even have time to consult it during the exam.  Now, do the people who do well generally have better outlines?  Not really.  I got outlines from a friend on LR that was a mess, and a really simplified outline from a guy who did okay that was perfect.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Susan B. Anthony on December 06, 2008, 11:30:42 AM
Wally, do yourself a favor and refrain from commenting until you've taken an exam and gotten grades back.

You do almost always have time to reference outlines during exams. You may not have time to search through it for an answer, but if you know where to look, you're good to go. I haven't taken one exam where I haven't referred to my outline many times.

Also, what an outline should consist of very much depends on the professor and what s/he looks for on an exam.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Matthies on December 06, 2008, 11:51:52 AM
You do almost always have time to reference outlines during exams. You may not have time to search through it for an answer, but if you know where to look, you're good to go. I haven't taken one exam where I haven't referred to my outline many times.


My experience is somewhat different. I can say Iíve only had two in class exams where outlines were allowed to be brought in (most are either closed everything or take homes at my school). In neither did I have much time to consult my outline, maybe 2-3 times during the test max, but had I not known the material pretty well I would have run out of time (granted I am a hunt and peck typer and dyslexic so I need time left over to spell check). I did learn from a friend to create a table of contents for my outline, so that helped in finding stuff quickly. But at least for me I never felt like I had enough time to search for something really in depth in my outline, it was just a quick check to make sure I had the right rule number or something.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Miss P on December 06, 2008, 11:54:03 AM
I read a case in my book during my property exam.  For reals.  But I seldom finish everything and I am too proud to get things wrong.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Susan B. Anthony on December 06, 2008, 11:56:44 AM
You do almost always have time to reference outlines during exams. You may not have time to search through it for an answer, but if you know where to look, you're good to go. I haven't taken one exam where I haven't referred to my outline many times.


My experience is somewhat different. I can say Iíve only had two in class exams where outlines were allowed to be brought in (most are either closed everything or take homes at my school). In neither did I have much time to consult my outline, maybe 2-3 times during the test max, but had I not known the material pretty well I would have run out of time (granted I am a hunt and peck typer and dyslexic so I need time left over to spell check). I did learn from a friend to create a table of contents for my outline, so that helped in finding stuff quickly. But at least for me I never felt like I had enough time to search for something really in depth in my outline, it was just a quick check to make sure I had the right rule number or something.

Well right, as I said, you probably won't have time to go through an outline searching for answers. If you know where things are, though, or can easily find them, you can certainly usually consult it, at least in my experience and the experience of pretty much everyone I've ever talked to or observed during exams.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Matthies on December 06, 2008, 11:58:09 AM
You do almost always have time to reference outlines during exams. You may not have time to search through it for an answer, but if you know where to look, you're good to go. I haven't taken one exam where I haven't referred to my outline many times.


My experience is somewhat different. I can say Iíve only had two in class exams where outlines were allowed to be brought in (most are either closed everything or take homes at my school). In neither did I have much time to consult my outline, maybe 2-3 times during the test max, but had I not known the material pretty well I would have run out of time (granted I am a hunt and peck typer and dyslexic so I need time left over to spell check). I did learn from a friend to create a table of contents for my outline, so that helped in finding stuff quickly. But at least for me I never felt like I had enough time to search for something really in depth in my outline, it was just a quick check to make sure I had the right rule number or something.

Well right, as I said, you probably won't have time to go through an outline searching for answers. If you know where things are, though, or can easily find them, you can certainly usually consult it, at least in my experience and the experience of pretty much everyone I've ever talked to or observed during exams.

Are you exams mostly open or closed book, if its on the bar they require closed book here.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Susan B. Anthony on December 06, 2008, 11:59:53 AM
Mostly open. Of I think 10 or 11 in class exams, I've had 1 completely closed book and one limited open.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Matthies on December 06, 2008, 12:02:56 PM
Mostly open. Of I think 10 or 11 in class exams, I've had 1 completely closed book and one limited open.
This is part of the reason I have not taken many bar classes  :P
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: UFBoldAsLove on December 06, 2008, 12:24:05 PM
With Ks. I expect to only use my outline to look up Restatement and UCC #s. I usually know the stuff I need to to write the answer to a practice hypo.

However, with CivPro I'm going to need to rely on my outline. Blah  :( I suppose at least I have 8 hours to do that one. 
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on December 06, 2008, 01:30:37 PM
With Ks. I expect to only use my outline to look up Restatement and UCC #s. I usually know the stuff I need to to write the answer to a practice hypo.

However, with CivPro I'm going to need to rely on my outline. Blah  :( I suppose at least I have 8 hours to do that one. 

Civ Pro is going to be fun fun fun :p
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 02:19:29 PM
CONTROL F FOR THE WIN.

So we just got exam software this year and the first question everyone asked was, can we still ctrl+F?

Yeah, I look at my outlines all the time.

Oh, and I've got a bunch of classes this semester where what was said/discussed/chewed over in class is going to be integral to the final. (I.e. two classes where the final is explicitly "please know the doctrine but also say something interesting about it." ARGH.) I really do recommend paying attention in class. I don't always take that particular advice, but I generally rue it when I don't. Some classes really are just issue-spotters, but still. I think paying attention in class is really helpful.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Miss P on December 06, 2008, 02:32:09 PM
CONTROL F FOR THE WIN.

So we just got exam software this year and the first question everyone asked was, can we still ctrl+F?

Yeah, I look at my outlines all the time.

Wait, you guys get to have your computer outlines with you during exams?  Sweet.  We can only bring paper (locked out of all other apps when using exam software).
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Susan B. Anthony on December 06, 2008, 02:34:28 PM
CONTROL F FOR THE WIN.

So we just got exam software this year and the first question everyone asked was, can we still ctrl+F?

Yeah, I look at my outlines all the time.

Wait, you guys get to have your computer outlines with you during exams?  Sweet.  We can only bring paper (locked out of all other apps when using exam software).

us too

i really like take-homes for the ctrl+f'ing possibilities 
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 02:45:05 PM
I actually don't remember whether we can still ctrl+F. I should check.

Last year we didn't have exam software and ctrl+F saved my civpro grade.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: goaliechica on December 06, 2008, 02:57:22 PM
We don't use exam software at all!

We had this big controversy in  my Civ Pro class about how we COULD use an electronic version of our outline but we could NOT use control-F, and my prof sent out this very stern letter about how if we used control-F she would see to it that we were expelled or something. I thought it was pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Miss P on December 06, 2008, 03:02:00 PM
We don't use exam software at all!

We had this big controversy in  my Civ Pro class about how we COULD use an electronic version of our outline but we could NOT use control-F, and my prof sent out this very stern letter about how if we used control-F she would see to it that we were expelled or something. I thought it was pretty stupid.

Okay, now, that's just very silly!
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
We don't use exam software at all!

We had this big controversy in  my Civ Pro class about how we COULD use an electronic version of our outline but we could NOT use control-F, and my prof sent out this very stern letter about how if we used control-F she would see to it that we were expelled or something. I thought it was pretty stupid.

I get so irritated about this kind of thing. Like hello prof, kindly cease and desist the feminine hygiene product behavior. I guess it's out of concern for the trees, this distinction. But why is ctrl+f so dangerous to your pedagogy? Huh?

IT'S NOT.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: goaliechica on December 06, 2008, 03:16:12 PM
We don't use exam software at all!

We had this big controversy in  my Civ Pro class about how we COULD use an electronic version of our outline but we could NOT use control-F, and my prof sent out this very stern letter about how if we used control-F she would see to it that we were expelled or something. I thought it was pretty stupid.

I get so irritated about this kind of thing. Like hello prof, kindly cease and desist the feminine hygiene product behavior. I guess it's out of concern for the trees, this distinction. But why is ctrl+f so dangerous to your pedagogy? Huh?

IT'S NOT.

She thought it would give people an unfair advantage over those who took notes by hand/didn't do an electronic outline. I don't even know.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 03:42:18 PM
We don't use exam software at all!

We had this big controversy in  my Civ Pro class about how we COULD use an electronic version of our outline but we could NOT use control-F, and my prof sent out this very stern letter about how if we used control-F she would see to it that we were expelled or something. I thought it was pretty stupid.

I get so irritated about this kind of thing. Like hello prof, kindly cease and desist the feminine hygiene product behavior. I guess it's out of concern for the trees, this distinction. But why is ctrl+f so dangerous to your pedagogy? Huh?

IT'S NOT.

She thought it would give people an unfair advantage over those who took notes by hand/didn't do an electronic outline. I don't even know.

So I'm going over FRE 403 right now, and immediately I'm like, Well, it was an advantage, but not an UNFAIR advantage, etc. Feck. I need to study. It's Monday morning and I'm GONNA FAIL.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 04:05:15 PM
Man, outlining is a female dog even with a template.

Lawyers don't need ctrl+F.  Lawyers use alternative search functions such as paralegals and/or first year associates.

Another question:  Is it possible to bounce back after a crappy first law school semester the same way some can in college?  Or do firms really only care about the first couple of semesters?

Next questions:  are there fields of law (e.g., IP) where grades are less important?
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 04:13:06 PM
Another question:  Is it possible to bounce back after a crappy first law school semester the same way some can in college? 

not really.

So, then, if you really flub the first semester you're better off (financially speaking) just bailing on the whole thing?  Question is a semi-serious one in the sense that the $100k in debt is certainly not worth it if all that lies at the end of the long, dark tunnel is some $80k/yr job... especially when you could get a similarly paying (and probably more interesting) job with only a bachelor's.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 04:19:26 PM
Another question:  Is it possible to bounce back after a crappy first law school semester the same way some can in college? 

not really.

So, then, if you really flub the first semester you're better off (financially speaking) just bailing on the whole thing?  Question is a semi-serious one in the sense that the $100k in debt is certainly not worth it if all that lies at the end of the long, dark tunnel is some $80k/yr job... especially when you could get a similarly paying (and probably more interesting) job with only a bachelor's.

well depends on where you go.  there are places where you can do so-so your first semester and still do okay for yourself.

Fair enough.  How about if, say, you got a 2.9 at a school that was in the lower T14?
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 04:26:33 PM
I have a good friend from ugrad who had extremely mediocre grades (3.0-3.2) at upenn law and landed a job at a white shoe law firm in NY.  The same person was offered several other jobs by various well known int'l firms both in NY and London.

I think you do have to be somewhat smooth to pull that off.

Sadly, for me, I don't go to Penn.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 06, 2008, 04:46:45 PM
God, I'm so f-ing stressed out.

Bastards from my law dorm went ahead and did practice exam/discussed it without me.  I am so pissed they didn't even invite me.  f-ing douchebags.

Everyone is always so cold to me here.  I hate this curve and this stupid law thing.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Miss P on December 06, 2008, 04:58:41 PM
Bastards from my law dorm went ahead and did practice exam/discussed it without me.  I am so pissed they didn't even invite me.  f-ing douchebags.

They probably just assumed you had already done that one since you've been talking about how many practice exams you're doing for weeks now. :)

Chin up, Wally.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 05:17:15 PM
I have a good friend from ugrad who had extremely mediocre grades (3.0-3.2) at upenn law and landed a job at a white shoe law firm in NY.  The same person was offered several other jobs by various well known int'l firms both in NY and London.

I think you do have to be somewhat smooth to pull that off.

that sounds about right.  and i don't know how smooth you have to be.  so long as you don't lack any kind of social graces, you should be fine.

kasm = socially awkward  ;D

And Jake... you said you're at T14.  Just stay median and life shouldnt SUCK.  When you fall below I dont know what will happen lol (especially IN THIS ECONOMY) 

ps I hate that every time I see the word economy I think of LSD

Thanks.  You're so nice, just like everybody says.

I'm a little nervous, but that's how I am.  One way or another, things will be over soon.  I'll be allright either way.  Hopefully I'll be more allright than half the class.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Diet Yomajesty on December 06, 2008, 05:48:02 PM
Bastards from my law dorm went ahead and did practice exam/discussed it without me.  I am so pissed they didn't even invite me.  f-ing douchebags.

They probably just assumed you had already done that one since you've been talking about how many practice exams you're doing for weeks now. :)

Chin up, Wally.

Look inside yourself, Wally, and ask why they might have done such a thing.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 06:25:22 PM
God, I'm so f-ing stressed out.

Bastards from my law dorm went ahead and did practice exam/discussed it without me.  I am so pissed they didn't even invite me.  f-ing douchebags.

Everyone is always so cold to me here.  I hate this curve and this stupid law thing.

Where are you man?  That's cold, but don't sweat it.  Remember that you're going to school with a bunch of future lawyers.  98% of them are jerks.  You'll find the 2 % in time. Just keep your chin up, keep studying and remember that life is bigger than a dorm.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 06:44:44 PM
Wallace Stevens is a crap-ass poet from Connecticut who sucks.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 06, 2008, 06:49:37 PM
God, I'm so f-ing stressed out.

Bastards from my law dorm went ahead and did practice exam/discussed it without me.  I am so pissed they didn't even invite me.  f-ing douchebags.

Everyone is always so cold to me here.  I hate this curve and this stupid law thing.

wow.  didn't see this coming.

My stress?  That makes sense, considering I have a reputation for being a cool slacker.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 06:50:48 PM
"Wallace Stevens (October 2, 1879 Ė August 2, 1955) was a American Modernist poet. He was born in Reading, Pennsylvania, and spent most of his life working for an insurance company in Connecticut.  Wallace also sucked."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Stevens
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 06:55:19 PM
What kind of a guy is an insurance man, a lawyer AND a poet?  What an a-hole.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 06, 2008, 07:13:25 PM
in all seriousness wally, i would be cautious.  i'm not saying this is happening but watch out for it: do NOT alienate your classmates.

It's definitely happening, unfortunately.  People have really started to ignore me en masse and I don't have any friends anymore.  I guess I'll just start over next year, or do really well and not have to worry about future contacts.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 07:26:47 PM
Self-assessment time! Examine: who; how; why; what to do about it. Hint: answer to last =/= resign self, for reason tm notes.

this is tough love, for what it's worth. don't mean to pile on, and plz don't take it that way.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: finderskeepers on December 06, 2008, 07:30:30 PM
God, I'm so f-ing stressed out.

Bastards from my law dorm went ahead and did practice exam/discussed it without me.  I am so pissed they didn't even invite me.  f-ing douchebags.

Everyone is always so cold to me here.  I hate this curve and this stupid law thing.

wow.  didn't see this coming.

My stress?  That makes sense, considering I have a reputation for being a cool slacker.

Oh wally.  You have a reputation for being insane.  This *does* tend to be alienating, in general.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 07:31:20 PM
you don't need anybody Wallace.  @#!* your classmates.

If possible.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 06, 2008, 07:57:31 PM
God, I'm so f-ing stressed out.

Bastards from my law dorm went ahead and did practice exam/discussed it without me.  I am so pissed they didn't even invite me.  f-ing douchebags.

Everyone is always so cold to me here.  I hate this curve and this stupid law thing.

wow.  didn't see this coming.

My stress?  That makes sense, considering I have a reputation for being a cool slacker.

Oh wally.  You have a reputation for being insane.  This *does* tend to be alienating, in general.

In school?  I rarely talk in class.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: finderskeepers on December 06, 2008, 08:25:28 PM
Then you must give off that vibe.  In all seriousness, you're anxiety as well are you're intensity are obvious to a lot of people. 
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Jake_MONDATTA on December 06, 2008, 08:41:29 PM
contractions can be such a b1tch.  not quite as much as the glowing red eyed, razor-toothed, scaly fire breathing dragon lady-b1tch known as the restatement second of contracts.  but a female dog nevertheless.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 08:59:04 PM
sorry wally.  i actually feel bad for making fun of you know.

This might be another reason to hold off on the mocking. Just saying.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 09:00:53 PM
sorry wally.  i actually feel bad for making fun of you know.

This might be another reason to hold off on the mocking. Just saying.

well, my mocking of wally was way worse than making fun of grammar mistakes.

Not sure why that's relevant to the advisability of mocking finderskeepers.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: finderskeepers on December 06, 2008, 09:01:50 PM
Then you must give off that vibe.  In all seriousness, you're anxiety as well are you're intensity are obvious to a lot of people. 

normally i'd mock you for this error, but i mixed up through/threw the other day.  law school is f-ing with my brain.

haha, oh you shouldn't pass up such a great opportunity.  I think fairly cruel things about people that make stupid grammatical mistakes (completely unwarranted, since that's the SECOND time this week that i've written you're instead of your).
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 09:12:08 PM
sorry wally.  i actually feel bad for making fun of you know.

This might be another reason to hold off on the mocking. Just saying.

well, my mocking of wally was way worse than making fun of grammar mistakes.

Not sure why that's relevant to the advisability of mocking finderskeepers.

couldn't you have bolded the "know" for me?  i had no idea what you were talking about.

A fortiori, then, that you shouldn't make fun of other people's grammatical mistakes if you can't even pick out your own when their existence (just not their location) has been pointed out to you.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 09:14:31 PM
sorry wally.  i actually feel bad for making fun of you know.

This might be another reason to hold off on the mocking. Just saying.

well, my mocking of wally was way worse than making fun of grammar mistakes.

Not sure why that's relevant to the advisability of mocking finderskeepers.

couldn't you have bolded the "know" for me?  i had no idea what you were talking about.

A fortiori, then, that you shouldn't make fun of other people's grammatical mistakes if you can't even pick out your own when their existence (just not their location) has been pointed out to you.

i didn't have my glasses on!

Do you not touch-type?
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 09:17:06 PM
Sorry. I'm gearing up for Trial Ad and going over relevance for my evid final Monday. You're on the receiving end of my brain activity since the bf is out of town and I'm sitting here w/ no one to argue w/.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 10:01:35 PM
Okay, do you have Fisher's evidence?
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: dashrashi on December 06, 2008, 10:17:12 PM
Okay, do you have Fisher's evidence?

um, no.  does that disqualify me?

For now, yes. Alas, alack.
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Matthies on December 07, 2008, 08:31:59 AM
Sorry. I'm gearing up for Trial Ad and going over relevance for my evid final Monday. You're on the receiving end of my brain activity since the bf is out of town and I'm sitting here w/ no one to argue w/.

Yhis helped me when studying for evidence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi5LESZ7_Kc
Title: Re: Can you ever get away without fully outlining a class?
Post by: Johnie Awesome on December 07, 2008, 12:54:43 PM
That was great, I'll have to remember that this summer for bar prep.  I want to teach a law school class called "you tube teaches the law"