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Title: SO Pissed...
Post by: McNasty on December 02, 2008, 05:18:18 PM
Iím sick of it. So damn sick of it. No matter where I go, no matter who I talk to, I canít catch a break for poo. Iím so DONE. Put a f-iní fork in me. Since AUGUST, Iíve been busting my ass, day and night, in class, at work, all the f-iní time trying to find a mother f-ing job. Iíve sent out hundreds, upon hundreds of applications. Iíve scoured the far corners of the internet. Iíve exhausted my personal connections. Iíve heard every excuse under the sun: Weíre not hiring right now; Weíre looking for someone who is already licensed; We have already completed our recruiting needs. BITE ME. But thatís not even as bad as some of the clowns Iíve interviewed / talked with. One a-hole told me I couldnít find a job in the south because too many of them hate northerners. Get over it Ė ass hat. One guy dropped ďFĒ bombs all throughout the f-ing interview! He trash talked liberals for a half an hour. Other assholes expect me to shell out my life savings to fly across the country to interview with them. Hello! Iím f-ing POOR!!! You idiots are sitting on massive amounts of cash, and you want me, the poor law student who is eligible for Section 8 housing and food stamps, to go GET ON A PLANE AND FLY TO YOU?! DREAM ON, ASS BAGS! Some buttholes think itís kosher to hire me at $30,000 or less. Listen, freaks, inflation has happened since you were in the 3rd grade! YOU CANíT SURIVIVE ON 30 GíS!!!  >:( Iím sick of this! People say that our generation has this ďhigh and mighty sense of entitlementĒ and we want all of this poo for nothing, blah blah blah. Well, let me tell YOU something - OLD WINDBAGS - YOUíRE ALL OLD CHEAP BASTARDS! All of those whining critics of our generation fault us because we donít want to work 60 hours a week after accumulating $120,000 in debt for a whopping $25 - 30,000. Go eat a f-ing turd. Itís easy to be critical when youíre loaded and financially secure. These anus warriors get a f-ing kick out of watching the youth of America suffer, probably because ďthey had to do it once.Ē Bite me. Since when has growing up in America become a big hazing ritual? To all of the unsupportive, stupid-ass crap heads out thereÖgo to hell. Iím done.  >:(
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Matthies on December 02, 2008, 05:40:00 PM
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Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Matthies on December 02, 2008, 05:59:37 PM
Hi, McNasty, life calling, did I catch you at a bad time? Ok, great. Just wanted to remind of a few things. In case you forgot, Iím hard. I donít owe you anything either. Iím not your little league coach, Iím not going to pat you on the head and tell you youíre a winner even though we just lost 21-0. But I do get better, then of course I throw some more *&^% your way. Itís how I roll. This is not going to be the hardest thing you will encounter with me. Some folks got it worse than you, I make sure of that.  Iím fickle and not particularly fair either. I donít really care if you succeed at me or not. Thatís up to you, you can quit trying now and give up, but Iíll assure you this is one of the easier things Iím going to throw your way if you make through the next 60 years or so of my game. Thanks for playing, glad we had this chat, now I need to go wipe out a family of four in a drunk driving accident, catch you laters.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Diet Yomajesty on December 02, 2008, 06:09:07 PM
Hi, McNasty, life calling, did I catch you at a bad time? Ok, great. Just wanted to remind of a few things. In case you forgot, Iím hard. I donít owe you anything either. Iím not your little league coach, Iím not going to pat you on the head and tell you youíre a winner even though we just lost 21-0. But I do get better, then of course I throw some more *&^% your way. Itís how I roll. This is not going to be the hardest thing you will encounter with me. Some folks got it worse than you, I make sure of that.  Iím fickle and not particularly fair either. I donít really care if you succeed at me or not. Thatís up to you, you can quit trying now and give up, but Iíll assure you this is one of the easier things Iím going to throw your way if you make through the next 60 years or so of my game. Thanks for playing, glad we had this chat, now I need to go wipe out a family of four in a drunk driving accident, catch you laters.

Epic.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: logickills on December 02, 2008, 09:37:54 PM
Hi, McNasty, life calling, did I catch you at a bad time? Ok, great. Just wanted to remind of a few things. In case you forgot, Iím hard. I donít owe you anything either. Iím not your little league coach, Iím not going to pat you on the head and tell you youíre a winner even though we just lost 21-0. But I do get better, then of course I throw some more poo your way. Itís how I roll. This is not going to be the hardest thing you will encounter with me. Some folks got it worse than you, I make sure of that.  Iím fickle and not particularly fair either. I donít really care if you succeed at me or not. Thatís up to you, you can quit trying now and give up, but Iíll assure you this is one of the easier things Iím going to throw your way if you make through the next 60 years or so of my game. Thanks for playing, glad we had this chat, now I need to go wipe out a family of four in a drunk driving accident, catch you laters.

Epic.

agreed.  epic indeed.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: vap on December 03, 2008, 11:24:36 AM
Hi, McNasty, life calling, did I catch you at a bad time? Ok, great. Just wanted to remind of a few things. In case you forgot, Iím hard. I donít owe you anything either. Iím not your little league coach, Iím not going to pat you on the head and tell you youíre a winner even though we just lost 21-0. But I do get better, then of course I throw some more poo your way. Itís how I roll. This is not going to be the hardest thing you will encounter with me. Some folks got it worse than you, I make sure of that.  Iím fickle and not particularly fair either. I donít really care if you succeed at me or not. Thatís up to you, you can quit trying now and give up, but Iíll assure you this is one of the easier things Iím going to throw your way if you make through the next 60 years or so of my game. Thanks for playing, glad we had this chat, now I need to go wipe out a family of four in a drunk driving accident, catch you laters.

Matthies, am I sacrificing lamb #3 or #4?
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: McNasty on December 03, 2008, 10:08:51 PM
Hi, McNasty, life calling, did I catch you at a bad time? Ok, great. Just wanted to remind of a few things. In case you forgot, Iím hard. I donít owe you anything either. Iím not your little league coach, Iím not going to pat you on the head and tell you youíre a winner even though we just lost 21-0. But I do get better, then of course I throw some more poo your way. Itís how I roll. This is not going to be the hardest thing you will encounter with me. Some folks got it worse than you, I make sure of that.  Iím fickle and not particularly fair either. I donít really care if you succeed at me or not. Thatís up to you, you can quit trying now and give up, but Iíll assure you this is one of the easier things Iím going to throw your way if you make through the next 60 years or so of my game. Thanks for playing, glad we had this chat, now I need to go wipe out a family of four in a drunk driving accident, catch you laters.

THIS is some bull! Life is hard? I should be thankful that Iím not some sort of screwed up, homeless, deformed paraplegic with AIDS and cancer? Things will get better? This is some crap that you can pretty much feed to anyone. Itís a standard, boilerplate, feel-good message that is just as applicable to some spoiled, twelve year-old brat as it is to people with legitimate problems. Whether someone is pissed because they canít stay up late to watch TV, or because they had their arm blown off in Iraq - your ďepicĒ message applies. Frankly, I find it to be trite and dismissive.  >:( Eat me, boyfriend. Lets get back to the REAL issue. Hundreds of thousands of real law students have just spent an ass load of cash on a mediocre education (I donít care where your school is ranked - NO 3L walks out with a JD and feels ready to practice lawÖbecause the classes are all a bunch of poo). Furthermore, there are a bunch of greedy, disrespectful and unsympathetic employers filling up the market who are eager to take a poo on any recent graduate who crosses their path! They harass and ridicule their new brethren (as if that hadnít already happened enough in school) - and attempt to take them for all their worth, and expect us to be GREATFUL for the wonderful opportunities they provide! HAH! ďOh, thank you so much Mr. Partner for hiring me. Yes, I know Iím ignorant. It will be my pleasure to bill out 2300 hours for you and your esteemed colleagues! Working on Saturdays? Oh! No problem! I didnít have much interest in raising a family, anyway. I live to serve! Would you like to see my ass? I tattooed my favorite parts of the USCA on there! Also, donít worry about those loan re-payments I have. I am going to cut out my kidney with a pocket knife and sell it on Craigslist.Ē Unbelievable! Itís a big f-iní pyramid scheme - and government lawyers are no better. Those clowns do a half assed job until theyíre 55, then peace out and take home 1/3 of the salary through some absurd retirement program that will ultimately lead to hiring freezes and a cashless government.

I think Iím just going to open up my own firm. McNasty, LLP. Keep it real, yíall - and donít let the man hold you down.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: jacy85 on December 04, 2008, 04:14:31 AM
Hi, McNasty, life calling, did I catch you at a bad time? Ok, great. Just wanted to remind of a few things. In case you forgot, Iím hard. I donít owe you anything either. Iím not your little league coach, Iím not going to pat you on the head and tell you youíre a winner even though we just lost 21-0. But I do get better, then of course I throw some more poo your way. Itís how I roll. This is not going to be the hardest thing you will encounter with me. Some folks got it worse than you, I make sure of that.  Iím fickle and not particularly fair either. I donít really care if you succeed at me or not. Thatís up to you, you can quit trying now and give up, but Iíll assure you this is one of the easier things Iím going to throw your way if you make through the next 60 years or so of my game. Thanks for playing, glad we had this chat, now I need to go wipe out a family of four in a drunk driving accident, catch you laters.

THIS is some bull! Life is hard? I should be thankful that Iím not some sort of screwed up, homeless, deformed paraplegic with AIDS and cancer? Things will get better? This is some crap that you can pretty much feed to anyone. Itís a standard, boilerplate, feel-good message that is just as applicable to some spoiled, twelve year-old brat as it is to people with legitimate problems. Whether someone is pissed because they canít stay up late to watch TV, or because they had their arm blown off in Iraq - your ďepicĒ message applies. Frankly, I find it to be trite and dismissive.  >:( Eat me, boyfriend. Lets get back to the REAL issue. Hundreds of thousands of real law students have just spent an ass load of cash on a mediocre education (I donít care where your school is ranked - NO 3L walks out with a JD and feels ready to practice lawÖbecause the classes are all a bunch of poo). Furthermore, there are a bunch of greedy, disrespectful and unsympathetic employers filling up the market who are eager to take a poo on any recent graduate who crosses their path! They harass and ridicule their new brethren (as if that hadnít already happened enough in school) - and attempt to take them for all their worth, and expect us to be GREATFUL for the wonderful opportunities they provide! HAH! ďOh, thank you so much Mr. Partner for hiring me. Yes, I know Iím ignorant. It will be my pleasure to bill out 2300 hours for you and your esteemed colleagues! Working on Saturdays? Oh! No problem! I didnít have much interest in raising a family, anyway. I live to serve! Would you like to see my ass? I tattooed my favorite parts of the USCA on there! Also, donít worry about those loan re-payments I have. I am going to cut out my kidney with a pocket knife and sell it on Craigslist.Ē Unbelievable! Itís a big f-iní pyramid scheme - and government lawyers are no better. Those clowns do a half assed job until theyíre 55, then peace out and take home 1/3 of the salary through some absurd retirement program that will ultimately lead to hiring freezes and a cashless government.

I think Iím just going to open up my own firm. McNasty, LLP. Keep it real, yíall - and donít let the man hold you down.


If you didn't know the bolded before going into law school, then you clearly didn't do your research before starting law school.  Too bad for you for not going in with open eyes - these kind of learning experiences suck, don't they?  Not that it will make a difference, since you probably won't learn anything from it at all.

And seriously?  Stop your bitching.  Waaa...employers haven't had the time to lavish the attention I deserve on me!  Waaaa...the economy sucks and I can't find a job!  Waaa....I expected a job to be handed to me and it wasn't!  **pouts**.  Waaa...a big firm (which won't hire me anyway) expects me to work hard for the 6 figure salary they pay me!

Grow up.  As Matthies said, welcome to life.  It's a female dog. 

Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Katfid54 on December 04, 2008, 04:21:47 AM
They harass and ridicule their new brethren (as if that hadnít already happened enough in school) - and attempt to take them for all their worth, and expect us to be GREATFUL for the wonderful opportunities they provide!

It's grateful.
Probably why you can't get a job. HTH.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: non parata est on December 04, 2008, 06:30:00 AM
I have to tag this as well.  This makes me feel a lot better about my job prospects, if these are the people I'll be competing against.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Katfid54 on December 04, 2008, 06:35:16 AM
I could see OP being a Matthies alt.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: vap on December 04, 2008, 08:01:53 AM
I think Iím just going to open up my own firm. McNasty, LLP. Keep it real, yíall - and donít let the man hold you down.


Problem solved.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Matthies on December 04, 2008, 08:12:40 AM
I could see OP being a Matthies alt.

haha..no. I could not, even if I tried, blame so much on so many other than myself, even as a joke. Besides, even I can spell grateful.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Katfid54 on December 04, 2008, 09:49:58 AM
I could see OP being a Matthies alt.

haha..no. I could not, even if I tried, blame so much on so many other than myself, even as a joke. Besides, even I can spell grateful.


LOL
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Johnie Awesome on December 05, 2008, 08:52:54 AM
what does tag on a post mean?
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: PSUDSL08 on December 05, 2008, 05:31:59 PM
Iím sick of it. So damn sick of it. No matter where I go, no matter who I talk to, I canít catch a break for poo. Iím so DONE. Put a f-iní fork in me. Since AUGUST, Iíve been busting my ass, day and night, in class, at work, all the f-iní time trying to find a mother f-ing job. Iíve sent out hundreds, upon hundreds of applications. Iíve scoured the far corners of the internet. Iíve exhausted my personal connections. Iíve heard every excuse under the sun: Weíre not hiring right now; Weíre looking for someone who is already licensed; We have already completed our recruiting needs. BITE ME. But thatís not even as bad as some of the clowns Iíve interviewed / talked with. One a-hole told me I couldnít find a job in the south because too many of them hate northerners. Get over it Ė ass hat. One guy dropped ďFĒ bombs all throughout the f-ing interview! He trash talked liberals for a half an hour. Other assholes expect me to shell out my life savings to fly across the country to interview with them. Hello! Iím f-ing POOR!!! You idiots are sitting on massive amounts of cash, and you want me, the poor law student who is eligible for Section 8 housing and food stamps, to go GET ON A PLANE AND FLY TO YOU?! DREAM ON, ASS BAGS! Some buttholes think itís kosher to hire me at $30,000 or less. Listen, freaks, inflation has happened since you were in the 3rd grade! YOU CANíT SURIVIVE ON 30 GíS!!!  >:( Iím sick of this! People say that our generation has this ďhigh and mighty sense of entitlementĒ and we want all of this poo for nothing, blah blah blah. Well, let me tell YOU something - OLD WINDBAGS - YOUíRE ALL OLD CHEAP BASTARDS! All of those whining critics of our generation fault us because we donít want to work 60 hours a week after accumulating $120,000 in debt for a whopping $25 - 30,000. Go eat a f-ing turd. Itís easy to be critical when youíre loaded and financially secure. These anus warriors get a f-ing kick out of watching the youth of America suffer, probably because ďthey had to do it once.Ē Bite me. Since when has growing up in America become a big hazing ritual? To all of the unsupportive, stupid-ass crap heads out thereÖgo to hell. Iím done.  >:(

What a whiny little b**ch. Waaa, I can't live on $30K, waaaa. It's called getting your foot in the door. You take a state trial level clerkship for $30K (for one year working basically 9-5), defer your loan payments, live modestly, pick the brain of the judge you're working for, and NETWORK with local attorneys who might be willing to throw you a full-time job after your clerkship ends. I'm not planning on working in the town where I'm clerking, but after one local bar association happy hour, I have had two local attorneys tell me that if I can't find a job in city X, to call them and "we'll work something out for you."

There is also a federal loan consolidation program starting in July of 09 where if you work in a qualifying position (DA/PD/public interest) and make minimum income based payments for 10 years (on a $40K salary, its about $300 a month with $125K in loans), the government will pay off your student loans. There are several small market cities where you can get a govt job starting at between $35-40K, opt into the program, make your loan payments, and have a decent (but not lavish) quality of life.

Instead of looking at the most realistic options, keep up the good work. Keep applying for positions on the opposite coast and get angry when they don't want to shell out money to fly you in for an interview when they can probably hire someone who lives 5 minutes away with more impressive credentials...and most importantly, common sense.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Johnie Awesome on December 05, 2008, 06:36:07 PM
Seriously, this guy has to be kidding me.  He is mad because he cannot find a 100k plus job at one of the most severe economic downtowns in history in an oversaturated profession that is highly affected by the economic problems.  Suck it up, you're not the only one.  I had a hard time finding a position, I networked by fowarding my resume to anyone in the profession that I thought liked me enough to put in a good word for me and pass along.  After a little while my resume ended up in a judge's hands and now I have a clerkship making aout 50k to start.  You have to realize that it's not hazing, it's dollars and cents.  These employers are facing financial problems, they have bills and have other mouths to feed.  Hiring new people in a situtaion where they don't have enough work for their existing employees is not their first priority. 

You want to impress an employer, let them know that you took a train an hour and a half to speak to them and you'll be taking it back after the interview.  Don't ask to be compensated, just do it.  You're seriously not the only one who had a hard time find a job.  I have most of the rejection letters hanging on the wall in my Moot Court board office and it fills up most of a large wall. 

Take a moment and realize that you have a doctorate degree and realize that astronomical salary you get paid to sit behind a desk.  Plenty of people put in a lot more for a lot less. 
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Dr. Balsenschaft on December 05, 2008, 06:52:24 PM
Why the hell would an employer be impressed you took the train for an hour and a half?  I know an attorney who does that every morning and evening to get back and forth from work.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Johnie Awesome on December 05, 2008, 07:15:59 PM
Thinking it would show that the person is willing to go out of his way to interview.  If someone was willing to go out of their way that much, and not ask for anything from the firm I would be more impressed if I were evaluating that candidate.

The attorney you know you do does that is billing at least 2 of the 3 hours he spends in transit every day.  He basically is in a moving office. 
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Thistle on December 05, 2008, 08:13:39 PM
what does tag on a post mean?

it means you have nothing to say, but want to make the thread appear in your unread replies.


*bump* is also acceptable
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Thistle on December 05, 2008, 08:50:14 PM
what does tag on a post mean?

it means you have nothing to say, but want to make the thread appear in your unread replies.


*bump* is also acceptable

bump actually means something different.


true, but the end result is the same
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Thistle on December 05, 2008, 08:56:04 PM
what does tag on a post mean?

it means you have nothing to say, but want to make the thread appear in your unread replies.


*bump* is also acceptable

bump actually means something different.


true, but the end result is the same

yes but if you post "bump" in a thread that's still active, you have people asking you why you're bumping.


perhaps.  but only from people who know what "bump" means.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: observationalist on December 06, 2008, 09:50:25 AM
Seriously, this guy has to be kidding me.  He is mad because he cannot find a 100k plus job at one of the most severe economic downtowns in history in an oversaturated profession that is highly affected by the economic problems.  Suck it up, you're not the only one.  I had a hard time finding a position, I networked by fowarding my resume to anyone in the profession that I thought liked me enough to put in a good word for me and pass along.  After a little while my resume ended up in a judge's hands and now I have a clerkship making aout 50k to start.  You have to realize that it's not hazing, it's dollars and cents.  These employers are facing financial problems, they have bills and have other mouths to feed.  Hiring new people in a situtaion where they don't have enough work for their existing employees is not their first priority. 

You want to impress an employer, let them know that you took a train an hour and a half to speak to them and you'll be taking it back after the interview.  Don't ask to be compensated, just do it.  You're seriously not the only one who had a hard time find a job.  I have most of the rejection letters hanging on the wall in my Moot Court board office and it fills up most of a large wall. 

Take a moment and realize that you have a doctorate degree and realize that astronomical salary you get paid to sit behind a desk.  Plenty of people put in a lot more for a lot less. 

If you ever get bored looking at those rejection letters, you'll be surprised how many you can redact into acceptance letters, proposition letters, offers to give you a house, car, etc.  Our fridge is tongue-and-cheekly plastered with these works of art.  It took the edge off of checking the mailbox during OCI season... sure, there might be a rejection letter in there, but what if it includes words like "hard" and "rigid" and "we sincerely want you to do"?!! 

No ill will towards the firms that mail-merged us out of their hiring process this year (for whatever reasons), but if they're going to take the effort to send us a present we might as well turn it into something we like.  It's not like we can just return it.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: McNasty on December 07, 2008, 08:58:09 PM
What a whiny little b**ch. Waaa, I can't live on $30K, waaaa. It's called getting your foot in the door.

Go take a *&^%! >:( YES. That is what I'm saying. A bunch of stuck-up, egotistical bastards who probably rake in MILLIONS can't afford to pay brilliant minds more than $30K?! @#!* THAT. It's bull. Please, boyfriend, COPS make 60K in a lot of jurisdictions where DA's and Judicial Clerks are making 30K. What kind of *&^% is that?! What in the hell sort of message are they sending?! Where is the incentive to make more out of yourself when all you get in return is someone taking a massive dump on you?! And again, I'm not looking for 100K, or even 90K...but hell something around 50K would be respectable.

You take a state trial level clerkship for $30K (for one year working basically 9-5), defer your loan payments, live modestly, pick the brain of the judge you're working for, and NETWORK with local attorneys who might be willing to throw you a full-time job after your clerkship ends. I'm not planning on working in the town where I'm clerking, but after one local bar association happy hour, I have had two local attorneys tell me that if I can't find a job in city X, to call them and "we'll work something out for you."

I hate to be the one to break it to you...but "networking" is a bunch of bull. It's arrogant ass heads who wander around, patting each other on the ass for an hour as they munch on wine and cheese. They crack jokes with their peers and spit bullcrap to fools like you and me because we're desperate and will hang on their every word. It's such a load of *&^%. @#!* "networking." I wish we could stop dancing around the crap and cut to the chase. Can I have a job - yes or no? They could answer the question and we could all be done with it. Also, "Call us and we'll work something out for you," is business-speak for "Get the hell away from me until many years from now, and hopefully by then I'll be retired."

There is also a federal loan consolidation program starting in July of 09 where if you work in a qualifying position (DA/PD/public interest) and make minimum income based payments for 10 years (on a $40K salary, its about $300 a month with $125K in loans), the government will pay off your student loans. There are several small market cities where you can get a govt job starting at between $35-40K, opt into the program, make your loan payments, and have a decent (but not lavish) quality of life.

Now THIS is something I'm interested in! ;D The government paying my loans?! It's like my own personal economic bailout!!! Do you have a link?! Will they pay off everything?

Instead of looking at the most realistic options, keep up the good work. Keep applying for positions on the opposite coast and get angry when they don't want to shell out money to fly you in for an interview when they can probably hire someone who lives 5 minutes away with more impressive credentials...and most importantly, common sense.

I send my *&^% EVERYWHERE. And hell, as far as getting there, either THEY have to pay for it, or I have to pay for it, and I really think that I am the poorer of the two - so WTF?! It's a two way street. They need someone to work for them and I need a job...it's not just me who is looking for something here. Granted, it's probably an employer's market, but *&^%...give me SOMETHING. Meet me halfway and pay for HALF of my travel expenses if you really need me to haul my butt hundreds of miles for an interview. I'm just sick of being treated like *&^% by a bunch of greedy, stuck-up *&^% eaters who orgasm at every opportunity to exploit the less fortionate.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: McNasty on December 07, 2008, 09:17:41 PM
Seriously, this guy has to be kidding me.  He is mad because he cannot find a 100k plus job at one of the most severe economic downtowns in history in an oversaturated profession that is highly affected by the economic problems.  Suck it up, you're not the only one.  I had a hard time finding a position, I networked by fowarding my resume to anyone in the profession that I thought liked me enough to put in a good word for me and pass along.  After a little while my resume ended up in a judge's hands and now I have a clerkship making aout 50k to start.  You have to realize that it's not hazing, it's dollars and cents.  These employers are facing financial problems, they have bills and have other mouths to feed.  Hiring new people in a situtaion where they don't have enough work for their existing employees is not their first priority. 

female dog, please. Cry me a f-in' river. Oh! The poor employers, they have mouths to feed. Oh, how their million dollar firms are struggeling through the economic downturn. Let me tell you something, boyfriend, the economic crisis is effecting ME a hell of a lot more than it's effecting the *&^% head who drives a Benz to his office each day!  >:( And if they are hurting so bad - how about cutting back on the $500,000 paychecks for partners, or the $1,000,000 holiday parties, or the $165,000 starting salaries for new hires at big law firms. It's such a f-in' joke! I could give a *&^% about ANY of their budget problems! Chances are they have budget problems because of their greedy, excessive, over-the-top lifestyles. THEIR OWN business practices are what led ALL OF US into the economic cesspool that we now find ourselves in. They can all go choke on a tube steak. @#!* them. If $30,000 is such a reasonable salary, maybe THEY should take it and we can all go through life together making such respectable money.  >:(

You want to impress an employer, let them know that you took a train an hour and a half to speak to them and you'll be taking it back after the interview.  Don't ask to be compensated, just do it.  You're seriously not the only one who had a hard time find a job.  I have most of the rejection letters hanging on the wall in my Moot Court board office and it fills up most of a large wall.

If they really can't afford to pay my expenses...I wouldn't expect them to. I'm sure a lot of government entities are strapped for cash, and probably have to jump through hoops to secure anything...but hell, if the funds are there, help a brotha out. I know I'm not the only one having a hard time finding employment, my posts are on behalf of the thousands of law students who are knee deep in the struggle with me. But I just wish we worked in a more cooperative setting, where the employer and the candidate worked TOGETHER. We are interviewing them just as much as they are interviewing us - and in that regard, I have been seriously unimpressed by SO many potential employers. Where's the f-in' love, yo?  ??? 

Take a moment and realize that you have a doctorate degree and realize that astronomical salary you get paid to sit behind a desk.  Plenty of people put in a lot more for a lot less. 

WTF is up with everyone?! The fact that other people are going through worse *&^%...dosen't make things any less wrong! Yes, people work 60 hrs. / week at Micky D's and can't afford their monthly rent...but I'm still pissed when I get screwed!!!  >:( Everyone else should be fighting their own battle. Not sitting back and thanking Jesus that they don't have cancer or live in a box! HELL! WAKE THE @#!* UP!!! >:( Way to be completely complacent about all of the horrible, unjust *&^% that goes on around you. Damn son. Y'all need to stop making excuses for the man and wake the hell up and realize that *&^% AIN'T RIGHT!!! >:( >:( >:(
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Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: vap on December 07, 2008, 09:53:31 PM
Go take a poo! >:( YES. That is what I'm saying. A bunch of stuck-up, egotistical bastards who probably rake in MILLIONS can't afford to pay brilliant minds more than $30K?! @#!* THAT. It's bull. Please, boyfriend, COPS make 60K in a lot of jurisdictions where DA's and Judicial Clerks are making 30K. What kind of poo is that?! What in the hell sort of message are they sending?! Where is the incentive to make more out of yourself when all you get in return is someone taking a massive dump on you?! And again, I'm not looking for 100K, or even 90K...but hell something around 50K would be respectable.

I stopped reading your post after this because you sound like the type of ass hat who thinks he/she is better than other people simply because you have (or will have) a J.D. degree.  You think you're worth more than a police officer because you took 3-5 more years of school; you're ridiculous.  Your services are worth what the market pays.  Get over yourself.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: observationalist on December 07, 2008, 11:04:51 PM
Go take a poo! >:( YES. That is what I'm saying. A bunch of stuck-up, egotistical bastards who probably rake in MILLIONS can't afford to pay brilliant minds more than $30K?! @#!* THAT. It's bull. Please, boyfriend, COPS make 60K in a lot of jurisdictions where DA's and Judicial Clerks are making 30K. What kind of poo is that?! What in the hell sort of message are they sending?! Where is the incentive to make more out of yourself when all you get in return is someone taking a massive dump on you?! And again, I'm not looking for 100K, or even 90K...but hell something around 50K would be respectable.

I stopped reading your post after this because you sound like the type of ass hat who thinks he/she is better than other people simply because you have (or will have) a J.D. degree.  You think you're worth more than a police officer because you took 3-5 more years of school; you're ridiculous.  Your services are worth what the market pays.  Get over yourself.

Our Crim Pro professor seems to be of the opinion that cops should be better educated to justify the responsibility they have and prevent the whole street cop/management cop duality that exists in the US. BUT, he's an accomplished academic who did well enough in law school and afterwards to eventually make him a Top-10 most cited Crim scholar in the country... so perhaps his elitism is somewhat justified in that sense.  And even he has some valid points about the importance cops serve in our communities... if I've learned anything going into the exam I have in 7.5 hours, it's that Orwellian surveillance methods like what's evolved in London seem to be less efficient in solving most crimes than just hiring and training a larger police force.  And I'm sure the risk of death contributes somewhat to why a cop who does their job well should be making more than a law clerk.

And school does their best here to beat any semblance of elitism out of us while we're here, and remind us of we need to be selling ourself to an employer if they're going to dump so much money in our laps straight out of law school. When the partner told me what I'd be making this summer, I responded with "You know, to be honest I don't think I'm worth that much." His response was laughing and "No, you are definitely NOT. It's just ridiculous!" 

From what I've heard, the most incorrigible law students seem to be the ones that act like they're entitled to something when they interview.  If the OP isn't flame, they need to reevaluate what they're looking for and maybe pursue some sort of work that would be more humbling and help develop the maturity level they're going to need if they really want to be successful later in their career.  Also, who says "boyfriend, please?"
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: observationalist on December 07, 2008, 11:16:48 PM
Go take a poo! >:( YES. That is what I'm saying. A bunch of stuck-up, egotistical bastards who probably rake in MILLIONS can't afford to pay brilliant minds more than $30K?! @#!* THAT. It's bull. Please, boyfriend, COPS make 60K in a lot of jurisdictions where DA's and Judicial Clerks are making 30K. What kind of poo is that?! What in the hell sort of message are they sending?! Where is the incentive to make more out of yourself when all you get in return is someone taking a massive dump on you?! And again, I'm not looking for 100K, or even 90K...but hell something around 50K would be respectable.

I stopped reading your post after this because you sound like the type of ass hat who thinks he/she is better than other people simply because you have (or will have) a J.D. degree.  You think you're worth more than a police officer because you took 3-5 more years of school; you're ridiculous.  Your services are worth what the market pays.  Get over yourself.

i think it's flame.

Well that would certainly explain the boyfriend remarks.  So now, isn't the question which veteran poster has assumed this alt?
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: McNasty on December 07, 2008, 11:22:00 PM
The market for lawyers is all screwed up. You have an ass load of people making $25 - $40 G's, hardly anyone making between $50 - $90G's, and another ass load of people making between $120 - $160 G's. WTF is that all about?! And do I think someone who invested $100,000 in their legal education ought to earn at least as much as some meat head cop? Absolutely. Not because they are "better than other people," - hell, the amount of $ you make dosen't say much about how "good you are," but because the person is a f-ing LAWYER! >:( Our work will entail just a LITTLE more than pulling over people who drive too fast and busting on kids who smoke weed in the forest. Give me a f-ing break. >:(

And all this *&^% about them "putting their lives on the line," that's a load of *&^%, too. Really, how many cops die per year? It's not like they're out there getting mowed down everyday. Hell, if anything, THE PEOPLE'S lives are at an even greater risk, since we're not driving around with the authority to LOCK PEOPLE UP and BUST GUNS!!!  >:( @#!*!!! Jesus Christ. Wake the hell up! Most of them are a bunch of thugs who belong in college frat houses! I'm SURE that more citizens have been gunned down by the police than police have been gunned down by citizens.

And as for this notion put fourth by the previous poster that law school teaches us to "be humble" - what in the hell are you talking about?! Your mother teaches you to be humble...law school teaches you about all of the stupid f-ing cases we have to read about, and maybe a couple of statues if you're lucky.

Where in the hell am I?  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: sluglaw on December 08, 2008, 01:09:58 AM
Go take a poo! >:( YES. That is what I'm saying. A bunch of stuck-up, egotistical bastards who probably rake in MILLIONS can't afford to pay brilliant minds more than $30K?! @#!* THAT. It's bull. Please, boyfriend, COPS make 60K in a lot of jurisdictions where DA's and Judicial Clerks are making 30K. What kind of poo is that?! What in the hell sort of message are they sending?! Where is the incentive to make more out of yourself when all you get in return is someone taking a massive dump on you?! And again, I'm not looking for 100K, or even 90K...but hell something around 50K would be respectable.

I stopped reading your post after this because you sound like the type of ass hat who thinks he/she is better than other people simply because you have (or will have) a J.D. degree.  You think you're worth more than a police officer because you took 3-5 more years of school; you're ridiculous.  Your services are worth what the market pays.  Get over yourself.

i think it's flame.

i am beginning to suspect that this entire site is a bunch of flames.  and you flirting with pjh.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 08, 2008, 04:38:28 AM
Yeah, this is flame. Yawn. Still, it's entertainment, right?

Here's one of my favorite parts:

But I just wish we worked in a more cooperative setting . . . Where's the f-in' love, yo? 

WTF is up with everyone?! The fact that other people are going through worse *&^%...dosen't make things any less wrong! Yes, people work 60 hrs. / week at Micky D's and can't afford their monthly rent...but I'm still pissed when I get screwed!!!  >:( Everyone else should be fighting their own battle.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: non parata est on December 08, 2008, 05:50:49 AM
This is even more entertaining if you imagine it's a Wally alt.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Thistle on December 08, 2008, 06:15:12 AM
This is even more entertaining if you imagine it's a Wally alt.


its has the flavor of matthies.  or irrx.

jsia.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Matthies on December 08, 2008, 07:12:07 AM
I wish I was not so busy with exams I could really have fun with this, OP stick around till after the 16th plz kthxbi
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Thistle on December 08, 2008, 07:45:55 AM
I wish I was not so busy with exams I could really have fun with this, OP stick around till after the 16th plz kthxbi

trying to throw us off the scent eh?  wont work, sneaky boy!

and play your attack move!
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Matthies on December 08, 2008, 07:59:20 AM
I wish I was not so busy with exams I could really have fun with this, OP stick around till after the 16th plz kthxbi

trying to throw us off the scent eh?  wont work, sneaky boy!

and play your attack move!


Its not me, I donít hide the identity of my alts, they are more funny if you know itís me behind them. Also canít be Irrx, Irxx likes to develop a back story for his alts before he lashes out.

PS. It says its your turn in attack
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: skeeball on December 08, 2008, 05:50:50 PM
Um....wow....
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: McNasty on December 10, 2008, 09:26:15 PM
I can't believe you all. Here I am, pouring my heart out, exposing the man, and voicing legitimate concerns about the entire structure of our profession...from courses, employers, to students - and everything inbetween...and you ass monkeys are nerding it up behind your Mac Book's like Bevis and Butthead trying to figure out if this is a "flame" done by some alter-ego?!  :o ??? 

Jesus H. Christ. It's like I've landed on another planet. Stop it with the argumentative bullcrap and wake the hell up! I am 'FO REAL.

Some of y'all live in this delusional, drug-induced wonderland where all is great with the legal profession. Whatever. The clowns who are telling me that I'm cracked out now will become part of the depressed, divorced, booze heads later on in life who can't get their act together.  :-\

Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: Johnie Awesome on December 10, 2008, 11:11:46 PM
This guy is great.

If your so mad about the system and sure you could do a better job then go hang a shingle and see how it works for you.
Title: Re: SO Pissed...
Post by: DrLazarus on December 10, 2008, 11:37:15 PM
Mac Book's like Bevis and Butthead

It's Beavis, thank you very much.