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Title: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: SJU on September 08, 2008, 04:37:09 PM
I can't believe I have to study for this exam again. What's strange is that I made an A in my professional responsibility class!!! I've always been a poor standardized test taker. What worries me even more is how frustrating the bar exam will be...

Anyone on (or was on) the same boat?

Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: LawyerGirl822 on September 08, 2008, 04:51:31 PM
That sucks-sorry to hear that.  GL on the next exam-I am sure you will do great!
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: dinsosaur junior on September 08, 2008, 08:05:34 PM
I failed, too. Miserably. I don't care. Just a waste of $60. I left early from the test because I had interviews. And I did not study save for 10 minutes while scafing down a sub before the test.  But some of my finals this semester will also be multiple choice, and I am never good at such tests. Oh well.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: legalkitty09 on September 09, 2008, 06:00:17 AM
Ugh, I USED the BarBri book and did fine on ALL of the practice tests, but did not do well enough in the state I want. Grrr.....

And it totally shakes your confidence, even though I know it's just the MPRE and I will pass it next time. Irritating.

Any study advice beyond using the BarBri book? ???
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: NoUsername on September 09, 2008, 07:14:18 AM
I had to take it again, and I didn't even fail.  I took it during my second year of law school, and then worked for a year before taking the bar exam.  VA requires your MPRE to be within 2 years of your bar, so I had to take the MPRE the week after the bar exam.  I got a 124 on it in 2006, and a 95 on it this year.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Nowhere Man on September 09, 2008, 09:49:55 PM
First time taker here....

I scored a 102.

I say just use that BarBri book and really try to understand the rules.

But I don't think a normal Professional Responsibility course in law school can effectively prepare for the MPRE.

I was learning rules and nuances the morning of the test.

Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: legalkitty09 on September 10, 2008, 06:34:53 AM
First time taker here....

I scored a 102.

I say just use that BarBri book and really try to understand the rules.

But I don't think a normal Professional Responsibility course in law school can effectively prepare for the MPRE.

I was learning rules and nuances the morning of the test.



For all of you who are recommending the BarBri books, do you have another suggestion? I did just that, and did FINE on all of the practice tests, yet here I am, having to take it again. Help!! ???
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Nowhere Man on September 10, 2008, 08:02:19 AM
Umm...the LATEST BarBri out of all the questions I practiced were the hardest (Practising Law Institute and PMBR).

They forced you to discover the most obscure exceptions that are just not noticeable.

I mean the actual MPRE isn't that taxing but the BarBri should have been enough.

Now my question is, did you just ZIP through the questions without going over the questions you got right and wrong.

I mean anyone can do questions, but reviewing the explanations is half the battle.

I will be awaiting you answer and then I will give you some advice.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Nowhere Man on September 10, 2008, 08:04:48 AM
Umm...the LATEST BarBri out of all the questions I practiced were the hardest (Practising Law Institute and PMBR).

They forced you to discover the most obscure exceptions that are just not noticeable.

I mean the actual MPRE isn't that taxing but the BarBri should have been enough.

Now my question is, did you just ZIP through the questions without going over the questions you got right and wrong.

I mean anyone can do questions, but reviewing the explanations is half the battle.

I will be awaiting you answer and then I will give you some advice.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Nowhere Man on September 10, 2008, 08:07:41 AM
Umm...the LATEST BarBri out of all the questions I practiced were the hardest (Practising Law Institute and PMBR).

They forced you to discover the most obscure exceptions that are just not noticeable.

I mean the actual MPRE isn't that taxing but the BarBri should have been enough.

Now my question is, did you just ZIP through the questions without going over the questions you got right and wrong.

I mean anyone can do questions, but reviewing the explanations is half the battle.

I will be awaiting you answer and then I will give you some advice.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: legalkitty09 on September 10, 2008, 08:11:33 AM
Umm...the LATEST BarBri out of all the questions I practiced were the hardest (Practising Law Institute and PMBR).

They forced you to discover the most obscure exceptions that are just not noticeable.

I mean the actual MPRE isn't that taxing but the BarBri should have been enough.

Now my question is, did you just ZIP through the questions without going over the questions you got right and wrong.

I mean anyone can do questions, but reviewing the explanations is half the battle.

I will be awaiting you answer and then I will give you some advice.

I DID go through the explanations. I found that crucial! And I agree that the BarBri questions did address the most obscure exceptions. When I took the MPRE, I actually thought the BarBri questions were tougher, but apparently not. So annoying!!
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: legalkitty09 on September 10, 2008, 08:14:38 AM
I think this thing isn't posting right??

Anyway, I agree that reviewing the explanations was crucial and ultimately very helpful. I also agree that BarBri did utilize the most obscure exceptions. And when I took the MPRE I actually thought the BarBri ones were harder. Apparently not. ARGGHH!! It has just really shaken my confidence.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: legalkitty09 on September 10, 2008, 08:53:31 AM
Also, do you think I should retake it in November? Do you think there is an intellectual benefit to taking it right away, or should I wait until March? Because I was just studying for it a short time ago.

Thanks for your help!!!
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Keeton on September 10, 2008, 09:51:42 AM

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For all of you who are recommending the BarBri books, do you have another suggestion? I did just that, and did FINE on all of the practice tests, yet here I am, having to take it again. Help!! ???
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I used Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam (MPRE) Review: 2008-2009 Edition (Emanuel's Rigos Bar Review Series) (Paperback)by James J Rigos (Author).   I thought it was helpful and the questions, imho, were much harder than the barbri examples.  Passed with 30 points to spare.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: legalkitty09 on September 10, 2008, 10:41:08 AM
I was thinking that one might be the way to go. I think I am going to do that, and still go to the BarBri course, since I have already enrolled.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: redjay on November 07, 2008, 07:36:44 AM
Question - if I take the mpre and fail it and take it again before the bar exam and I pass it - will employers be able to see that i Failed it? Just wondering, I am supposed to take it tomorrow but haven't prepared all that much.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: txlawstu on November 07, 2008, 12:38:55 PM
Question - if I take the mpre and fail it and take it again before the bar exam and I pass it - will employers be able to see that i Failed it? Just wondering, I am supposed to take it tomorrow but haven't prepared all that much.


I seriously doubt they will even ask about the MPRE.  Everyone I know wasn't even asked about the bar exam much less the MPRE.  You have to pass it to get your license so if your licensed they don't care.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Contract2008 on November 07, 2008, 05:25:32 PM
To the original poster, if you're bad at standardized tests, you should be concern about the bar exam.  Depending on your jurisdiction, if you do very well on essays, you can make up what you lack on the multiple choice part. 

I have said this before, I'll said it again, the MPRE is not an easy exam.  It is as hard as the Bar exam itself, just shorter. 
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: bob99 on November 08, 2008, 11:04:39 PM
I'm sorry, but the MPRE is probably one of the easiest tests I ever took while in law school.

I studied for a combined total of between 5 and 6 hours, mostly just reading barbri outlines with maybe an hour of practice questions and I got a 99.

From statistics, it looks like not very many get lower than the passing rate: http://www.ncbex.org/fileadmin/mediafiles/downloads/Bar_Admissions/2007stats.pdf

I'm not trying to be an ass, but if you can't pass the MPRE after you put significant work into it, you should probably try to take the easiest bar exam possible.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Yale College Inferno on November 08, 2008, 11:20:26 PM
From statistics, it looks like not very many get lower than the passing rate: http://www.ncbex.org/fileadmin/mediafiles/downloads/Bar_Admissions/2007stats.pdf

Wait! Page 19 of that document has a bar graph of numbers of attorneys that states admitted in 2007 by various methods, including by "diploma privilege." For real? Do some states still allow diploma privilege, i.e. you can be admitted to the bar without taking the bar exam as long as you graduated from a school on the state's approved list for diploma privilege?
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: jacy85 on November 09, 2008, 05:04:03 AM
From statistics, it looks like not very many get lower than the passing rate: http://www.ncbex.org/fileadmin/mediafiles/downloads/Bar_Admissions/2007stats.pdf

Wait! Page 19 of that document has a bar graph of numbers of attorneys that states admitted in 2007 by various methods, including by "diploma privilege." For real? Do some states still allow diploma privilege, i.e. you can be admitted to the bar without taking the bar exam as long as you graduated from a school on the state's approved list for diploma privilege?

I think this is Wisconsin.  If you go to law school in Wisconsin, you're good to go without taking the Wisconsin bar.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Yale College Inferno on November 09, 2008, 09:14:19 PM
I think this is Wisconsin.  If you go to law school in Wisconsin, you're good to go without taking the Wisconsin bar.

Man! So U of Wisconsin law students don't have to take a bar exam?
If you get admitted in Wisconsin using diploma privilege, can you still waive into DC?
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Contract2008 on November 11, 2008, 05:07:25 PM

I'm not trying to be an ass, but if you can't pass the MPRE after you put significant work into it, you should probably try to take the easiest bar exam possible.

I disagree.  I barely passed the MPRE and I passed the bar with ease. 
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Dr. Balsenschaft on November 11, 2008, 06:18:31 PM

I'm not trying to be an ass, but if you can't pass the MPRE after you put significant work into it, you should probably try to take the easiest bar exam possible.

I disagree.  I barely passed the MPRE and I passed the bar with ease. 

So you put significant work into studying for the MPRE and barely passed? 

Also, do you actually get a score on your bar exam?  For some reason, I always thought you just received a pass/fail.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Contract2008 on November 11, 2008, 06:52:09 PM

So you put significant work into studying for the MPRE and barely passed? 

Also, do you actually get a score on your bar exam?  For some reason, I always thought you just received a pass/fail.


No, I did not put significant work into studying for the MPRE.  Most people don't, because they still have full-time law school responsiblities. Still, that does not take away how hard it was and definately comparable to MBE of the BAR, just shorter with less topics. 

When I said I passed the bar with ease, I meant, I passed it the first time. 
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: A. on November 13, 2008, 03:23:13 AM
definately comparable to MBE of the BAR

no way
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: unlvcrjchick on November 16, 2008, 11:49:56 AM
definately comparable to MBE of the BAR

no way

Agreed.  The MPRE was a CAKEWALK compared to the MBE.  Don't get me wrong, it's a tricky little test, especially if you didn't study, but still, no multiple-choice (or more accurately, multiple-GUESS) test compares to the MBE.
Title: Re: Failed the MPRE!
Post by: Contract2008 on November 18, 2008, 07:13:12 PM
How come no one agrees with me on this?