Law School Discussion

Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: Contract2008 on August 31, 2008, 02:36:03 PM

Title: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: Contract2008 on August 31, 2008, 02:36:03 PM
It is easy to get in and they have tons of employers attending on campus interviews and these employers would probably never step a foot in another Tier 3 or even a Tier 2 law school.

I understand that Howard accepts students of other races as well including whites and especially other minorities.  I am just wondering, why aren't more people who are attending other Tier 3 and Tier 2 law schools who, based on their stats, will clearly be accepted to Howard, not apply and attend Howard. 

One might say that these employers might be there to hire blacks, but, as a non-black attending Howard will offer one the opportunity to interview and potentionally getting offers which many Tier 3 and Tier 2 students never get a chance to do so.   

If people want to have a high paying law job, why is Howard not on these people's list? 
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: kenpostudent on August 31, 2008, 06:35:02 PM
I don't really have an answer for that except to say that I have friend who recently passed the bar here in NV that is a Howard grad. She did not recommend the school. Her advice was for me to pick a higher rated law school.
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: Holden Caulfield on August 31, 2008, 07:00:08 PM
When I clicked, I totally thought the title said "Why don't more people apply and go to Harvard for law school"
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: Contract2008 on September 01, 2008, 07:20:01 AM
I don't really have an answer for that except to say that I have friend who recently passed the bar here in NV that is a Howard grad. She did not recommend the school. Her advice was for me to pick a higher rated law school.

Is she white?  Does she have a job?  What does she not like about Howard?
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: kenpostudent on September 01, 2008, 12:12:27 PM
She is a black girl who passed the bar in Feb. and works for a local firm. She just told me that it's best to attend as high of a ranked school as possible to find work. If she had it to do over again, she would not go to Howard. I'll ask her for more details.

I have actually considered Howard because I wouldn't mind working for the SEC. The close proximity to SEC headquarters make Howard a very attractive choice. However, I'm not sure how comfortable I would be at a historically black college considering that I'm lily white. Howard probably accepts whites, but that doesn't mean the student body welcomes them. I would not want to feel like the black kid circa the 1960s just after forced integration. Having grown up in a predominately non-white neighborhood in LA, I know exactly what it is like to be judged for the sins of your fathers (and my ancestors weren't even in this country to oppress anyone). It would depend on the political rhetoric of the campus and student body at large as to whether I could handle it. I don't do "white guilt" very well. We are all responsible for our own actions and choices, but not the actions and choices of any previous generation. Given my complete lack of political correctness, my politically conservative bent, and my outspoken nature, my life-expectancy at Howard would probably be rather short. The first time someone mentions reparations, my response would probably start a riot and get me lynched in the university square.
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: okaymanup on September 02, 2008, 09:31:12 AM
i believe morehouse (another hbc) just had a lily white valedictorian this spring.  he was generally well received there and made tons of friends. do not underestimate people. 
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: kenpostudent on September 02, 2008, 11:53:33 PM
The South is rumored as a hot bed of racial tension in many circles. Yet, in my experience, people of all colors seemed much friendlier as compared to people in CA. I have walked through the worst neighborhoods in New Orleans and was not bothered once. Yet, I won't even drive through many neighborhoods in LA after dark. DC was the same. I have walked through some very high crime areas carrying a backpack with a $2,000 laptop in it. I didn't feel threatened once. Maybe it's just my perspective, but CA seems much worse. Minorities in my high school tended to have bigger chips on their shoulders towards whites. I even get that vibe now when I go home to visit. So, maybe CA has colored my perceptions unduly.

Either way, Howard is not for me. It has nothing to do with color, except the shades of blue that I would turn in that winter. I can't handle cold... that's the curse of being raised in Southern CA. Even if the money were right, I would pay a debt premium for warm weather. Luckily, I don't have to because there are plenty of affordable schools with agreeable climates.
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: Ninja1 on September 04, 2008, 06:12:01 AM
It is easy to get in and they have tons of employers attending on campus interviews and these employers would probably never step a foot in another Tier 3 or even a Tier 2 law school.

I understand that Howard accepts students of other races as well including whites and especially other minorities.  I am just wondering, why aren't more people who are attending other Tier 3 and Tier 2 law schools who, based on their stats, will clearly be accepted to Howard, not apply and attend Howard. 

One might say that these employers might be there to hire blacks, but, as a non-black attending Howard will offer one the opportunity to interview and potentionally getting offers which many Tier 3 and Tier 2 students never get a chance to do so.   

If people want to have a high paying law job, why is Howard not on these people's list? 

HBCU is TITCR.
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: Kirk Lazarus on September 04, 2008, 10:18:23 AM
It is easy to get in and they have tons of employers attending on campus interviews and these employers would probably never step a foot in another Tier 3 or even a Tier 2 law school.

I understand that Howard accepts students of other races as well including whites and especially other minorities.  I am just wondering, why aren't more people who are attending other Tier 3 and Tier 2 law schools who, based on their stats, will clearly be accepted to Howard, not apply and attend Howard. 

One might say that these employers might be there to hire blacks, but, as a non-black attending Howard will offer one the opportunity to interview and potentionally getting offers which many Tier 3 and Tier 2 students never get a chance to do so.   

If people want to have a high paying law job, why is Howard not on these people's list? 


Because the high paying jobs aren't available to the vast majority of Howard students.
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: kenpostudent on September 04, 2008, 11:51:22 AM
According to ILRG.com, the majority of Howard grads take the bar exam in NY. They managed a 61% bar passage rate in 2007, which was the lowest of any school whose graduates primarily took the bar in NY (15.5% lower than the state average). That basically says it all.
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: Contract2008 on September 04, 2008, 12:57:40 PM
According to ILRG.com, the majority of Howard grads take the bar exam in NY. They managed a 61% bar passage rate in 2007, which was the lowest of any school whose graduates primarily took the bar in NY (15.5% lower than the state average). That basically says it all.

Yet, when you look at the employment stats, Howard's graduates are very similiar to upper Tier 2 or lower Tier 1 graduates. There are just tons more employers, including big law firms interviewing there, menaing many more opporutnities for its students and graduates. 
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: acefreely on September 04, 2008, 08:56:10 PM
When I clicked, I totally thought the title said "Why don't more people apply and go to Harvard for law school"

me too!
Title: Re: Why Don't More People Apply and Go to Howard for Law School???
Post by: luboman411 on September 17, 2008, 10:42:33 AM
How about a Hispanic kid with both a UGPA and an LSAT score at the top 25% of what Howard accepts?  I obviously could get in somewhere that is ranked much higher than Howard, but I was thinking of using Howard as my one of my safeties.  And the LSAT score is still negotiable since I haven't taken it yet (probably in Oct., most likely in Dec).  I ultimately seek to work in big law, so Howard's popularity in the big law recruitment circuit is mighty tempting...