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Title: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: euphrasie on August 29, 2008, 10:16:20 PM
Should I shoot myself?

Weigh in here.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: StevePirates on August 29, 2008, 11:50:43 PM
Sorry to hear it.  Just remember 90% of law students finish outside of the top 10%.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: Ninja1 on August 30, 2008, 12:39:21 AM
So that's where all of the outlining and briefing got you?

;)
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: jimmyjohn on August 30, 2008, 07:17:25 AM
It won't be the last time you don't get an A.  I made about 5 A's in my entire law school career after making probably less than 5 B's during my previous academic experience.  It's hard to accept that you aren't the smartest person in the class any more, but the sooner that you do accept that fact the easier it will be for you to come to terms with not making the absolute top grades. 
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: MCD on August 30, 2008, 07:48:08 AM
It won't be the last time you don't get an A.  I made about 5 A's in my entire law school career after making probably less than 5 B's during my previous academic experience.  It's hard to accept that you aren't the smartest person in the class any more, but the sooner that you do accept that fact the easier it will be for you to come to terms with not making the absolute top grades. 


Getting A's on law school exams does not make you smarter than people getting B's. If someone actually tried to turn in a law school exam as some sort of final work product, it would most likely be urinated on then set on fire or otherwise rejected. The quality of writing on law school exams is piss poor, and when you go to practice law you're not taking exams for clients. Some people are better at handling the time pressure of exams than others. I hardly see how that makes them smarter generally.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on August 30, 2008, 08:26:43 AM
i did not get an A in my first law school class either (at the same school you are at.) i got significalty lower than an A.  i finished the year in top 15% and xfered.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: OldCraig on August 30, 2008, 08:30:25 AM
I got a C in my intro to law course, got pissed, then finished in top 2% in class, then transferred as well.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: euphrasie on August 30, 2008, 09:55:19 AM
The multiple choice killed me, I think. I swear, none of the answers were quite right... even when I knew the answer cold, I couldn't figure out which answer was correct from the choices given.

And, yes, without briefing cases and doing an outline, I would have gotten a significantly lower grade... or looked like a total moron when called on in class.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: Budlaw on August 31, 2008, 09:51:59 AM
A's who needs A's? Just check out Joe Biden's law school record:

http://cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/joe-biden-is-definitely-a-characterbut-does-he-have-character,1583/


It just goes to show that if you don't study hard, but make false claims about your academic prowess in lawschool, then you too can be VP candidate!
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: euphrasie on August 31, 2008, 07:03:14 PM
Oh, I'm not doing that much work. I probably shouldn't be so surprised that I didn't get an A because of that very fact! I brief each case and do an end of class outline, and take notes... and do the reading. Other than that, I pretty much only studied for about 6 hours the day of the exam and attended a few study groups. Still, I felt like I knew the material cold (let's face it, it's not that complicated, just a lot to remember) so I expected an A- at least, and ended up with a B+.

Then again, woe is me, right? A B+ isn't so bad.

Have you read Getting to Maybe?  If you're putting all this work, you might not be studying smart.  Don't underestimate the utility of a tactical change.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: MCD on August 31, 2008, 07:11:01 PM
Oh, I'm not doing that much work. I probably shouldn't be so surprised that I didn't get an A because of that very fact! I brief each case and do an end of class outline, and take notes... and do the reading. Other than that, I pretty much only studied for about 6 hours the day of the exam and attended a few study groups. Still, I felt like I knew the material cold (let's face it, it's not that complicated, just a lot to remember) so I expected an A- at least, and ended up with a B+.

Then again, woe is me, right? A B+ isn't so bad.

Have you read Getting to Maybe?  If you're putting all this work, you might not be studying smart.  Don't underestimate the utility of a tactical change.

Don't worry so much about grades. If you didn't get into a t14, you probably won't get a job. If I were you I would try to get a joint degree like an JD/MBA or MD/JD if possible. You want to stay in school as long as possible so you defer your loans and avoid a default. If you can't stay in school, then I recommend this site: http://www.goarmy.com.

If you are a woman, then you could try porn on the west coast. You can make more money as a porn star than as a lawyer. You don't even have to be pretty if you're willing to do really gross stuff...











































 ;) Why so serious?
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: dukedogalley on August 31, 2008, 08:47:02 PM
how do u have grades for ur first law school class before september?
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: OldCraig on August 31, 2008, 08:52:10 PM
Here's something to consider:

B+'s are for Public Defenders
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: SCK2008 on August 31, 2008, 08:53:36 PM
how do u have grades for ur first law school class before september?

summer start program
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 31, 2008, 08:55:36 PM
It won't be the last time you don't get an A.  I made about 5 A's in my entire law school career after making probably less than 5 B's during my previous academic experience.  It's hard to accept that you aren't the smartest person in the class any more, but the sooner that you do accept that fact the easier it will be for you to come to terms with not making the absolute top grades. 


Getting A's on law school exams does not make you smarter than people getting B's. If someone actually tried to turn in a law school exam as some sort of final work product, it would most likely be urinated on then set on fire or otherwise rejected. The quality of writing on law school exams is piss poor, and when you go to practice law you're not taking exams for clients. Some people are better at handling the time pressure of exams than others. I hardly see how that makes them smarter generally.

titcr
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: Ninja1 on September 01, 2008, 12:59:47 PM
Oh, I'm not doing that much work. I probably shouldn't be so surprised that I didn't get an A because of that very fact! I brief each case and do an end of class outline, and take notes... and do the reading. Other than that, I pretty much only studied for about 6 hours the day of the exam and attended a few study groups. Still, I felt like I knew the material cold (let's face it, it's not that complicated, just a lot to remember) so I expected an A- at least, and ended up with a B+.

Then again, woe is me, right? A B+ isn't so bad.

Have you read Getting to Maybe?  If you're putting all this work, you might not be studying smart.  Don't underestimate the utility of a tactical change.

Yeah, I really wouldn't sweat this. Hit B+s all the way and you'll graduate cum laude and be well in the top 25% of your class. Throw a couple of As in there and you'll probably end up graduating magna, according to NALP numbers.

Hell, I know if I get grades exclusively in the B range during my time in law school, I'll be very happy.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: goaliechica on September 01, 2008, 01:02:49 PM
Here's something to consider:

B+'s are for Public Defenders

Charming  ::)
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: jacy85 on September 01, 2008, 01:29:15 PM
Oh, I'm not doing that much work. I probably shouldn't be so surprised that I didn't get an A because of that very fact! I brief each case and do an end of class outline, and take notes... and do the reading. Other than that, I pretty much only studied for about 6 hours the day of the exam and attended a few study groups. Still, I felt like I knew the material cold (let's face it, it's not that complicated, just a lot to remember) so I expected an A- at least, and ended up with a B+.

Then again, woe is me, right? A B+ isn't so bad.

Have you read Getting to Maybe?  If you're putting all this work, you might not be studying smart.  Don't underestimate the utility of a tactical change.

Knowing the material cold will almost never alone get you anything more than a B or B+.  It's a given that almost every one of your classmates probably knew the material cold.  An A of any kind will require that you write a good exam answer using all that info you know cold.  If you did all that work, but then didn't write out any practice exams, then you missed a key part of exam prep (at least for many/most students - I have seen a couple of people on here that have said they've done really well w/o practice exams).

A B+ for first class isn't bad - use what you've learned to streamline and then perhaps add some practice exams to get your analysis down.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: euphrasie on September 01, 2008, 01:49:45 PM
Sweet! I am interested in public interest anyway.

Here's something to consider:

B+'s are for Public Defenders
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: euphrasie on September 01, 2008, 01:50:31 PM
I did one practice exam and I'm willing to bet my problem was the multiple choice, not the essay. But, no way to know for sure until exams are available to review. I could be completely surprised.

Oh, I'm not doing that much work. I probably shouldn't be so surprised that I didn't get an A because of that very fact! I brief each case and do an end of class outline, and take notes... and do the reading. Other than that, I pretty much only studied for about 6 hours the day of the exam and attended a few study groups. Still, I felt like I knew the material cold (let's face it, it's not that complicated, just a lot to remember) so I expected an A- at least, and ended up with a B+.

Then again, woe is me, right? A B+ isn't so bad.

Have you read Getting to Maybe?  If you're putting all this work, you might not be studying smart.  Don't underestimate the utility of a tactical change.

Knowing the material cold will almost never alone get you anything more than a B or B+.  It's a given that almost every one of your classmates probably knew the material cold.  An A of any kind will require that you write a good exam answer using all that info you know cold.  If you did all that work, but then didn't write out any practice exams, then you missed a key part of exam prep (at least for many/most students - I have seen a couple of people on here that have said they've done really well w/o practice exams).

A B+ for first class isn't bad - use what you've learned to streamline and then perhaps add some practice exams to get your analysis down.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: MCD on September 01, 2008, 02:39:20 PM
There is a new show about public defenders on tonight called "raising the Bar." It stars Zach Morris from saved by the bell. I'm hoping screech makes a guest appearance as a sexual predator.
Title: Re: I did not get an A in my first law school class
Post by: Ninja1 on September 02, 2008, 07:16:58 AM
There is a new show about public defenders on tonight called "raising the Bar." It stars Zach Morris from saved by the bell. I'm hoping screech makes a guest appearance as a sexual predator.

I just literally lolled a little in the middle of property. 177. Well done.