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LSAT Preparation => Studying for the LSAT => Topic started by: *devo* on July 30, 2008, 03:37:28 PM

Title: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: *devo* on July 30, 2008, 03:37:28 PM
I have been preparing on my own for a few months. My initial diagnostic was a 151 on an older prep test (the free one on LSAC, December '96 maybe). I have finished both Bibles and found them very helpful.  I feel much more comfortable with the material and my games have improved a lot.  Still, when it comes to practice tests under timed conditions, I am not seeing the progress. I just took Prep Test A out of Superprep and got a 153. 17 correct in LR and RC. 16 correct in the other LR. 15 correct in Games. Comparing my initial diagnostic with Superprep A, my games improved and my other sections got slightly worse.

Should I take more timed sections and tests?  Go back through the Bibles?  I have been very inconsistent on other prep tests but my highest has been 159 on Prep Test 37 (June '02 I think).  I got that 159 a few weeks ago and decided a class would not help me any more than self study would.  I was hoping today's test would show improvement, but I am now wondering what I can do.  I would prefer to not take the class, but anything to improve.

My goal is AT LEAST a 160.  For whatever it is worth, my SAT was a 1230 (80th percentile) with no prep so the 160 should be feasible.  Any input would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: meggo on July 30, 2008, 03:51:55 PM
I understand it's frustrating to study and not see results but I think the best thing to do is go over your missed answers, make sure you understand the logic behind the wrong answers and make sure you really grasp it. You also have to be prepared that it takes time to see the results of studying in their PT scores. Do you have newer tests? Because you will definately need them. And don't get discouraged. I always get a wee bit nervous scoring my PT's because I want my score to be high, but sometimes it isn't and you just have to pour over your wrong answers and make sure you understand everything. I really believe (well for me anyway) doing PT's, and going over my wrong answers with a fine tooth comb, helped me improve my scores a lot and also built up endurance.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: just dot on July 30, 2008, 04:41:24 PM
I agree that it can take a while to see improvement.  You say you've been studying for a few months, but how intensely?  Every day?  A few times a week?  That makes a difference.  It takes a lot of work and an hour or two here or there won't cut it.  Simply reading the Bibles isn't enough if you don't practice the methods.  A lot of people have mentioned that they actually see their scores drop after first using the methods, but with practice they quickly come up. 

I also completely agree with meggo that you have to understand your misses.  Just blowing through PTs isn't enough.  You need to spend a lot of time studying each miss (or guess, mark those, too!) and understand why the correct answer is correct. 

Keep working.  You'll get there!  The LSAT isn't an easy test.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: ishjudy on July 30, 2008, 10:06:20 PM
i've also been doing a lot (a lot!) of self-study for a few months now.  i try to study everyday for 2-4 hours a day. 

the first few months were really rough for me, and i didn't do well on any of my practice test. however, a few weeks ago, i started noticing a lot of improvement,and the improvement came after i altered my "thinking."  i started really focusing in on the "lsat mindset." i agree with the prior post; it's not enough to simply go through the materials---you have to really dig in.

but it seems that you are very dedicated; i'm sure you'll figure out your own way and improve.

good luck!!!




oh, are you taking the test in october? how many months do you have lest to study?
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: *devo* on July 30, 2008, 11:52:43 PM
Thanks to everyone who replied. To answer a few of the questions about my study habits, I have been studying intensely for the last two weeks, but the month and a half before that was a few hours here and there, with extra emphasis on the games.  As I write this I realize I have not been as dedicated as I could have been, but I have been working full-time so any LSAT prep has felt like a lot.

I have all the LSAT prep tests but have been saving the more recent tests.  I will definitely practice untimed and try to increase my accuracy.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on July 31, 2008, 05:50:13 AM
You need to work through at least 20 prep tests to really gain any mastery, preferably 25-30. Start out untimed, and increase your speed only gradually. Don't start speeding up until you can achieve your desired score untimed. (No real point otherwise.) Practice the bible techniques as you go, and feel free to reference the bibles as you work through the exams. Take breaks whenever you need them, and spend as long as you want on each exam (a week if necessary). The important thing is that you're thinking through all the questions very carefully and thoughtfully.

As time passes, you'll start to be able to move more quickly, for longer periods of time. At the end, you'll be doing full-length, formally timed exams. (Make sure you add in a 5th section for practice.)

After each test, review the questions you missed or guessed on carefully -- this is where improvement comes from. make sure you understand why the right answer is right, and your choice was not. If you need help on a Q, come here, or find some other resource.

keep in mind this dude total idiot.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on July 31, 2008, 05:51:58 AM
Thanks to everyone who replied. To answer a few of the questions about my study habits, I have been studying intensely for the last two weeks, but the month and a half before that was a few hours here and there, with extra emphasis on the games. As I write this I realize I have not been as dedicated as I could have been, but I have been working full-time so any LSAT prep has felt like a lot.

I have all the LSAT prep tests but have been saving the more recent tests. I will definitely practice untimed and try to increase my accuracy.

Also remember that the LSAT should be your #1 priority when prepping. Even if you're working full time, that means 70 hours a week when you're not working or sleeping. And as long as you prep 3-4 days a week, a couple/few hours at a time, you should be fine.

Think of it as prepping for a prize worth $150,000, if that helps. Because it's worth at least that much in terms of scholarship money and/or future earnings.

told ya.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: snarkygirl on July 31, 2008, 09:25:00 AM
no, Lindbergh is an expert in everything.  especially affirmative action.  duh.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on July 31, 2008, 12:42:41 PM
julie think know what really tingling.  get hands off danger zone.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on July 31, 2008, 02:37:56 PM
You need to work through at least 20 prep tests to really gain any mastery, preferably 25-30. Start out untimed, and increase your speed only gradually. Don't start speeding up until you can achieve your desired score untimed. (No real point otherwise.) Practice the bible techniques as you go, and feel free to reference the bibles as you work through the exams. Take breaks whenever you need them, and spend as long as you want on each exam (a week if necessary). The important thing is that you're thinking through all the questions very carefully and thoughtfully.

As time passes, you'll start to be able to move more quickly, for longer periods of time. At the end, you'll be doing full-length, formally timed exams. (Make sure you add in a 5th section for practice.)

After each test, review the questions you missed or guessed on carefully -- this is where improvement comes from. make sure you understand why the right answer is right, and your choice was not. If you need help on a Q, come here, or find some other resource.

keep in mind this dude total idiot.

Keep in mind this person's functionally retarded, and has never taken the LSAT.

you know nothing about julie, except she know more about lsat than you.

that gotta hurt.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on July 31, 2008, 03:14:15 PM
Thanks to everyone who replied. To answer a few of the questions about my study habits, I have been studying intensely for the last two weeks, but the month and a half before that was a few hours here and there, with extra emphasis on the games. As I write this I realize I have not been as dedicated as I could have been, but I have been working full-time so any LSAT prep has felt like a lot.

I have all the LSAT prep tests but have been saving the more recent tests. I will definitely practice untimed and try to increase my accuracy.

Also remember that the LSAT should be your #1 priority when prepping. Even if you're working full time, that means 70 hours a week when you're not working or sleeping. And as long as you prep 3-4 days a week, a couple/few hours at a time, you should be fine.

Think of it as prepping for a prize worth $150,000, if that helps. Because it's worth at least that much in terms of scholarship money and/or future earnings.

told ya.

Seriously, Julie, we're all happy your parents are trying to mainstream you by letting you use the computer, but why do you have to try to get attention when people are looking for actual constructive advice? Can't you just highlight your ignorance on the political boards, like you usually do?

If the poster is working 40 hours a week, and sleeping 40 hours a week (M-F, 8 hours a night), that means another 40 hours during the week that he basically has free. Factor in the weekends, where he's presumably not working, and he has 32 hours then (16 hours a day) where he's basically free. That's over 70 hours that he could theoretically spend prepping. He certainly doesn't need to use all that time on the LSAT (and he actually shouldn't), but it puts things in perspective in terms of how much time he has available, even while working full-time.

And the truth is, he hardly needs to prep every day, 8 hours a day, which would actually be counterproductive. If he preps 3 or 4 times a week, alternating days, for 2-3 hours a day, he'll basically get all the prep time he needs, assuming he gives himself enough lead time before the exam. Any more would probably cause him to burn out early. In total, that's less than 12 hours a week of prep study, and certainly managable.

Of course, I've actually helped people break 170 and get into HYS, while Julie is a functional retard that lets herself be diddled by Cliff007, so the OP will have to decide for himself who he wants to listen to. It's a tough choice, to be sure.

what load crap.  keep passing out misinformation for anyone stupid enough follow.  they been put on  notice.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on July 31, 2008, 03:15:26 PM
that gotta hurt.
Be careful, maybe he is into masochism and will want more.


oh, he glutton for punishment all right.  maybe he feel guilty about being admitted college only due to help meet quota for dipshits.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: EarlCat on July 31, 2008, 06:04:52 PM
self-study and not progressing go hand in hand, imo. 
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Spor on July 31, 2008, 07:59:09 PM
self-study and not progressing go hand in hand, imo. 

So do you suggest a specific alternative?  A certain course or a tutor?
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Scentless Apprentice on July 31, 2008, 08:36:59 PM
nodding - EarlCat, please expand. Is it verbalizing the material that you feel helps, or simply having the structure that a class offers? Thanks much.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 08:26:15 AM

you know nothing about julie, except she know more about lsat than you.


Sure you do, Julie! And someday, when you graduate from your special school, maybe you'll actually take one! (Untimed, of course.)

She's so special!!! :)

bluster not same as knowledge, as we all can see.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 08:27:12 AM
that gotta hurt.
Be careful, maybe he is into masochism and will want more.


oh, he glutton for punishment all right. maybe he feel guilty about being admitted college only due to help meet quota for dipshits.

Notice how Julie, who has not yet attended college (and probably never will), still sees this as the supreme potential achievement.

Yay, Julie!!!! :)

by "this," of course, you mean humiliating pretentious fops like you.

julie admit that hobby.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 08:29:07 AM

Yes, they've been put on notice that the board mongoloid, who can't even put together a coherent sentence, feels the compulsive need to seek attention when people are asking for help.

Yay, Julie! You so special!!!! :)

not mock handicapped, racist preppy dipshit.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: sofia455 on August 01, 2008, 09:02:41 AM
Think of it as prepping for a prize worth $150,000, if that helps.  Because it's worth at least that much in terms of scholarship money and/or future earnings.

Exactly! That sort of mindset is about the only thing that keeps me motivated to study harder (at my classes, for the LSAT, etc), when I'd really rather spend time out in the yard or with my family. It's a job that I'm not yet being paid for doing, but will be paid soon!
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: just some guy on August 01, 2008, 09:12:00 AM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me. And, Lindbergh, Julie can communicate normally. She did so in a thread a few weeks ago. Can we concentrate on flaming the noobs instead of each other? Thanks.

As always, HTH.
What does it say about a thread where just some guy has to be the voice of reason?
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 12:41:39 PM

you know nothing about julie, except she know more about lsat than you.


Sure you do, Julie! And someday, when you graduate from your special school, maybe you'll actually take one! (Untimed, of course.)

She's so special!!! :)

bluster not same as knowledge, as we all can see.

Yes, Julie, we can all see your bluster is completely baseless.

hey, preppy, tell us again about those norming data, eh?

oh, wait--you can't!
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 12:43:17 PM

Yes, they've been put on notice that the board mongoloid, who can't even put together a coherent sentence, feels the compulsive need to seek attention when people are asking for help.

Yay, Julie! You so special!!!! :)

not mock handicapped, racist preppy dipshit.

SHE SO SPECIAL!!!!!!! :)

yes, so special julie know when you wrong.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me.

and so apparently lindbergh continue to give out at least some patently inaccurate information.

wrong is wrong.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 12:47:05 PM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me. And, Lindbergh, Julie can communicate normally. She did so in a thread a few weeks ago. Can we concentrate on flaming the noobs instead of each other? Thanks.

As always, HTH.
What does it say about a thread where just some guy has to be the voice of reason?
Yeah, Jeffort and Lindbergh were friends in posts of the past I saw but proof is all gone now. His posts went poof and vaporized like liquid nitrogen when he took off and ran away with all of them. I tried to search through them again and there are only 2 left. :( WTF?
Now we just have to have fun fighting and flirting with Julie till somebody starts posting actual explanations again. Lindbergh, you up for it? You could PWN Julie that way ya know.

So where is my darling Julie? Sweetie are you out drinking already today? Do I need to send for a cab to get you home for our evening roll in the hey?


it not like julie can stop this dipshit from handing out his garbage.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 02:13:40 PM
that what we already got.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 04:40:07 PM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me. And, Lindbergh, Julie can communicate normally. She did so in a thread a few weeks ago. Can we concentrate on flaming the noobs instead of each other? Thanks.

As always, HTH.
What does it say about a thread where just some guy has to be the voice of reason?

I'd be perfectly happy if Julie would stop flaming LSAT related threads, and allow people to actually try to help the OP's without contantly/desperately seeking attention for herself. We'll see how that works out.

if you think attention julie's thing, then stop giving it julie.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 04:41:03 PM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me. And, Lindbergh, Julie can communicate normally. She did so in a thread a few weeks ago. Can we concentrate on flaming the noobs instead of each other? Thanks.

As always, HTH.
What does it say about a thread where just some guy has to be the voice of reason?
Yeah, Jeffort and Lindbergh were friends in posts of the past I saw but proof is all gone now. His posts went poof and vaporized like liquid nitrogen when he took off and ran away with all of them. I tried to search through them again and there are only 2 left. :( WTF?
Now we just have to have fun fighting and flirting with Julie till somebody starts posting actual explanations again. Lindbergh, you up for it? You could PWN Julie that way ya know.

So where is my darling Julie? Sweetie are you out drinking already today? Do I need to send for a cab to get you home for our evening roll in the hey?


1. You do know julie's a guy, right? As long as you do, feel free to enjoy the virtual booty call.


not sniff julie's booty.  and julie understand you have very, very small pee-pee.  prove otherwise, einstein.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 04:44:43 PM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me. And, Lindbergh, Julie can communicate normally. She did so in a thread a few weeks ago. Can we concentrate on flaming the noobs instead of each other? Thanks.

As always, HTH.
What does it say about a thread where just some guy has to be the voice of reason?
Yeah, Jeffort and Lindbergh were friends in posts of the past I saw but proof is all gone now. His posts went poof and vaporized like liquid nitrogen when he took off and ran away with all of them. I tried to search through them again and there are only 2 left. :( WTF?
Now we just have to have fun fighting and flirting with Julie till somebody starts posting actual explanations again. Lindbergh, you up for it? You could PWN Julie that way ya know.

So where is my darling Julie? Sweetie are you out drinking already today? Do I need to send for a cab to get you home for our evening roll in the hey?


2. I would have no problem with julie actually trying to help someone. The question is if she/he can get past her/his pathological need for negative attention long enough to do so. My fingers are crossed.

that funny, because julie give out accurate information and you give out bull.  your fingerts not crossed, they up your heinie.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 04:50:14 PM

you know nothing about julie, except she know more about lsat than you.


Sure you do, Julie! And someday, when you graduate from your special school, maybe you'll actually take one! (Untimed, of course.)

She's so special!!! :)

bluster not same as knowledge, as we all can see.

Yes, Julie, we can all see your bluster is completely baseless.

hey, preppy, tell us again about those norming data, eh?

oh, wait--you can't!

Have you linked to any alleged norming data yet, my geeky friend? I wasn't aware that you had.

Assuming such data exists, is it still your position that all testtakers find all questions equally difficult? And that there is no individual variance whatsoever in what kinds of questions, passages, and games different students struggle with?

Because if it is, I think you need to consider your position a little more thoughtfully. Or, you could just keep repeating the words "norming data" in a shrill tone, like an OCD parrot. Either way. :)

julie want watch you twist in wind some more.  your ignorance of publicly-released norming data bad enough, now being compounded by your failure/inability locate it.

remember, you postulated that there difficulty pattern in rc, but your "facts" simply wrong.  thus, this obviate your attempt cover your tracks through your "personal interest" theory.  where your data for either these, preppie?
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 04:51:49 PM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me.

and so apparently lindbergh continue to give out at least some patently inaccurate information.

wrong is wrong.

Let's see, I believe that students should tackle the reading comp passages/questions (and all other areas) in order of perceived difficulty, and julie feels they should all be done in order, because she feels the LSAT has graciously already set them up in order of difficulty.

Doing them in order of difficulty clearly makes sense, as this is the most efficient way to get through the exam and maximize your points, given that all questions are worth the same amount of points, and time is limited.

The only real question, therefore, is whether the LSAT does in fact generously set up all questions, passages, games, etc, in order of difficulty. I have seen no evidence that they do, and, in fact, according to my own experience, and the experience of the students I have worked with, this is not in fact the case.

Even if it were the case that the LSAT set up all questions in order of difficulty, in terms of how most student perform on the questions, there would still be individual variance in terms of what types of questions different students have trouble with. (I know students that love parallel reasoning questions, generally considered the most difficult, but have trouble with other LR's.) So even if julie's belief is somehow correct, it wouldn't change the fact that individual students should ideally approach questions/passages/games in order of subjectively perceived difficulty if they want to maximize their score. This not only allows them to get through the maximum number of questions before time expires, but it allows them to warm up within each section, helps reduce stress levels, etc.

This all seems pretty self-evident, and is based on years of helping students improve their LSAT performance. That said, I can also see how someone, particularly those especially strong in all areas, might not want to take the time to attempt to identify more difficult questions, and might instead choose to simply steamroll through every section. I can even see why such a person might advocate such an approach for all students, especially if they haven't spent much time trying to help others with different abilities improve their score. And I wouldn't attack such a person for doing so, I would simply note my disagreement, and why.

What I can't understand is someone vehemently claiming that the above recommended approch is "patently inaccurate", or "wrong", especially when accompanied by angry, childish attacks. People come here looking for assistance, and everyone should feel free to share their views about why a particular approach is helpful, or not helpful, without it turning into a bitter expression of someone's deep-seated, personal unhappiness. It's clear that julie is an unhappy person, and comes here looking for negative attention -- I just wish she'd leave that stuff on the other boards, where people aren't actually looking for help.

But again, if julie wants to express and support her position on why people should simply do the questions in the order listed, she's welcome to do so, and I won't attack her for it (though I might disagree, and explain why.). The same goes for any other honest advice she wants to give. I would expect the same courtesy be extended to all posters.

julie agree you seen no evidence because you ignorant its existence.

if you not like what julie say, always free ignore her...if can.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 04:53:28 PM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me. And, Lindbergh, Julie can communicate normally. She did so in a thread a few weeks ago. Can we concentrate on flaming the noobs instead of each other? Thanks.

As always, HTH.
What does it say about a thread where just some guy has to be the voice of reason?

I'd be perfectly happy if Julie would stop flaming LSAT related threads, and allow people to actually try to help the OP's without contantly/desperately seeking attention for herself. We'll see how that works out.

if you think attention julie's thing, then stop giving it julie.

This may be the best advice you've ever given. We should all probably try ignoring you for a while.

go for it, forrest.  maybe that free upsome time for you locate those norming data.  (and julie appreciate how their very mention so painful for you.)
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 04:59:01 PM


1. You're the one that claims such data exists. Therefore, it is clearly your responsibility to produce it if you feel it supports your claim.



julie's more important "responsibility"  show world how little you know about lsat.  julie also enjoy shopwing world that you apparebntly have no clue where find these data, which--julie assure you--exist.

instead admitting wrong and doing some research, you whining at julie.

man up, preppie.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 05:00:51 PM
[2. You're the one that postulated there was a difficulty pattern in RC, not me. Are you now claiming "your" facts were wrong?


that true, julie did.  and julie absolutely right about that pattern.

however, you also claim pattern, such as in next post

Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 05:08:55 PM

Leave it to some guide to hand out the worst advice on this thread. Here are just the first three things I found wrong with this idea.

1. Wouldn't categorizing the passages as easy or interesting entail having to read them?

One can usually briefly skim a passage in a few seconds and get a sense of the subject matter, level of complexity, etc.


2. What happens if you find the law related passage to be the easiest or most interesting? I mean, a) it's pretty subjective, and b)this is, after all, a test for future lawyers.

Then you should definitely do it first.

3. In a 35 minute test, any time spent analyzing which ones are easier before even diving in to the passage is, by definition, wasted time.

Not at all. If this helps you approach the exam in a efficient manner that helps you maximize points (which it usually will), then it's generally very well-invested time.


You're going to have to read them all if you want a good score. Take 'em as they come.

Not necessarily. Most people would probably define "good score" as anything above 160. You could certainly break 160 (or even perhaps 170) while guessing on an RC passage, and/or a game. (You could theoretically guess on 25 questions and get a 160, as long as you nailed the remainder.) For many students, guessing in this manner is the best approach. (It doesn't matter how many questions you hit, it only matters how many you get right, and for some students, they'll maximize their score by spending more time on a smaller percentage of questions. That smaller percentage, of course, should be the easier questions.)

In my opinion, even those shooting for 170+ should work easiest to hardest, as it allows them to warm up for the section, build up momentum, and rack up points more quickly.


really, "definitely"?  even if it fourth passage, which have almost all difficult questions?

julie find more when can, if you not delete already.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 05:32:52 PM


Leave it to some guide to hand out the worst advice on this thread. Here are just the first three things I found wrong with this idea.

1. Wouldn't categorizing the passages as easy or interesting entail having to read them?

One can usually briefly skim a passage in a few seconds and get a sense of the subject matter, level of complexity, etc.


2. What happens if you find the law related passage to be the easiest or most interesting? I mean, a) it's pretty subjective, and b)this is, after all, a test for future lawyers.

Then you should definitely do it first.


3. In a 35 minute test, any time spent analyzing which ones are easier before even diving in to the passage is, by definition, wasted time.

Not at all. If this helps you approach the exam in a efficient manner that helps you maximize points (which it usually will), then it's generally very well-invested time.


You're going to have to read them all if you want a good score. Take 'em as they come.

Not necessarily. Most people would probably define "good score" as anything above 160. You could certainly break 160 (or even perhaps 170) while guessing on an RC passage, and/or a game. (You could theoretically guess on 25 questions and get a 160, as long as you nailed the remainder.) For many students, guessing in this manner is the best approach. (It doesn't matter how many questions you hit, it only matters how many you get right, and for some students, they'll maximize their score by spending more time on a smaller percentage of questions. That smaller percentage, of course, should be the easier questions.)

In my opinion, even those shooting for 170+ should work easiest to hardest, as it allows them to warm up for the section, build up momentum, and rack up points more quickly.



passages already arranged order difficulty.

discussion over.


Um, no.

For one thing, the difficulty level in RC is generally tied to how interesting the subject matter is for the reader, which is of course inherently subjective.

you just wrong, making it up as go along. all passages better be interesting if you take test seriously. you just misleading people.

but just for fun: what your other alleged "things"?

Given your linguistic skills, I doubt you've ever taken the LSAT. But in my experience, most students find different passages difficult depending on the subject matter, and their personal interest in the subject matter. There's no question that personal interest makes a passage easier to focus on and comprehend, and that personal interest is inherently subjective. (Bio majors will like sciences passage more, etc.)

Not all passages are in fact interesting. You obviously need to focus as much as possible on each passage if you want to do well, but you should also do them in order of personal difficulty, to maximize your points and work most efficiently.

I've never heard anyone claim that RC is laid out in order of difficulty. The LSAT simply doesn't work like this, for the most part -- they prefer to make things as difficult as possible. That's why the easier games questions are usually among the last 3 or so, with the hardest among the first 3 or so. (That's the other thing.)

and here you just as wrong about analytical reasoning!
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 05:39:11 PM

3. Do you really dispute that given students may find different passages more interesting, and therefore easier to comprehend?

this effect should be minimal, although julie not claim have data support this, as you seem claim.

any lsat-taker who not able be interested in any reading comp passage whatsoever just looking for excuse and already in deep, deep trouble.  "oh, golly, i'm going skip this particularly easy first passage because it about literature, and that icky."  puh-lease.

also, norming data--which, obviously, aggregate--already would reflect such dynamic to whatever extent it exists.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 05:47:39 PM

1. You first need to support your apparent belief that the 4th passage will always have "almost all" difficult questions. You may be correct, but we don't know this yet. If there's any variance whatsoever on this issue (or on the relative difficulty of the remaining passages), that calls your theory (that you should just steamroll through the section) into question.


oh, julie know.  in fact, it look to be on order of 73% difficult questions in fourth passage.

you one in dark, preppie.

better give up and hope those tutoring clients you trying impress here forget about this little incident.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 05:50:14 PM

2. If you can do so, then the question becomes whether the likely greater ease in reading and understanding the passage (due to the subject matter) will offset any greater difficulty in the questions themselves. If you know the passage well enough, the difficulty level would presumably have to be substantially greater to offset the natural advantage gained by absorbiady said, wrong again.ng the material more quickly.


as already said, wrong again.  to whatever extet this principle valid, it already be reflected in norming data, which simply measure how often test-takers, in aggregate, answer correctly.

so, julie gather this cornerstone of your reading comp "methodollogy."  and how much you charge for this garbage?
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 01, 2008, 05:52:02 PM

you know nothing about julie, except she know more about lsat than you.


Sure you do, Julie! And someday, when you graduate from your special school, maybe you'll actually take one! (Untimed, of course.)

She's so special!!! :)

bluster not same as knowledge, as we all can see.

Yes, Julie, we can all see your bluster is completely baseless.

hey, preppy, tell us again about those norming data, eh?

oh, wait--you can't!

Have you linked to any alleged norming data yet, my geeky friend? I wasn't aware that you had.

Assuming such data exists, is it still your position that all testtakers find all questions equally difficult? And that there is no individual variance whatsoever in what kinds of questions, passages, and games different students struggle with?

Because if it is, I think you need to consider your position a little more thoughtfully. Or, you could just keep repeating the words "norming data" in a shrill tone, like an OCD parrot. Either way. :)

julie want watch you twist in wind some more. your ignorance of publicly-released norming data bad enough, now being compounded by your failure/inability locate it.

remember, you postulated that there difficulty pattern in rc, but your "facts" simply wrong. thus, this obviate your attempt cover your tracks through your "personal interest" theory. where your data for either these, preppie?


2. You're the one that postulated there was a difficulty pattern in RC, not me. Are you now claiming "your" facts were wrong?



however, you also claim pattern, such as in next post


Nope, I said that students should do the passages in order of difficulty, in terms of what they find easier / more interesting. Very different idea.

julie believe people can read yur words for selves and decide who right.  you ignorant of norming data, no amount of blustering here can change that.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: EarlCat on August 01, 2008, 08:31:14 PM
Dude, wtf?

And what happened to my earlier post in this thread???
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: HYSHopeful on August 02, 2008, 12:19:43 PM
Why does this seem to happen on most threads in this Forum? It seems as though 90% of all threads in "Studying for the LSAT" get derailed by Julie Fern and Cliff007.

It is frustrating to post well-considered, thoughtful advice only to realize that it is hidden between pages of nonsensical rambling between Cliff007 and Julie Fern.

Generally, the best strategy is to ignore them as much as possible. Unfortunately, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. There have been threads where I've spent an hour carefully answering the question of someone who legitimately needs advice. I come back a few days later only to find that these two have filled the following 4 pages with their tomfoolery. The thread dies, and the advice is never read by more than a few people who happened upon it before the thread was denigrated. This discourages individuals like me from posting legitimate advice, it makes it difficult or impossible for people in real need of advice to receive it. These absurd digressions are hurting the "Studying for the LSAT" board, and they are hurting the people who come here for help.

Julie Fern and Cliff007: I understand that you two are just having fun, but please consider how your posts are effecting those who come here to give/receive legitimate advice and engage in an actual intellectual discourse about a very difficult exam. Limiting this sort of behavior to Off-Topic boards would be very much appreciated.

Lindbergh: Replying to them only encourages them... and contributes to the pages of text that people have to sift through to finally find any real advice. 

EarlCat: Is there anything that you can do as a moderator to control and/or limit this?

Thanks!
-HYSHopeful
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Scentless Apprentice on August 02, 2008, 02:02:57 PM
I agree with HYSHopeful's post.

Whenever I'm on LSD I have to look left, and if it says 'Julie Fern' or 'cliff007' I skip it. It's annoying, and I'm sure many others are equally annoyed when they lose a minute of their life reading a worthless post.

Cliff, I un-shunned you long enough to read what you wrote above. You really do have horrible writing and reasoning skills. If you do happen to escape the mechanisms the admissions process has in place, and you get into a decent law school, I have no doubt that you will perform as poorly as you communicate.

Re-shun.

Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: meggo on August 02, 2008, 02:14:42 PM
^
I think though there is a difference between having fun OT banter in threads and completely derailing them and discouraging people from posting. I'm not saying I offer nearly as much excellent advice as HYSHopeful but so often now I start typing out a response and just hit the 'back' button because I know someone will nitpick at my phrasing and take what I was trying to say out of context to prove their point/their superiority/their great comedic prowess. I'm not saying I have a problem with this happening on occasion, but I'm sure there are other useful posters who feel the same way and thus fail to help out the OP. I also think there's a difference between moderating a topic so that the 20 OT posts are moved to the proper area and censorship/communist China. I was attracted to this board over TLS because the people here seem more interesting/intelligent, I prefer the layout, and think a lot of the questions posed are genuinely useful but when the majority of topics lately get derailed by mindless chit chat and the same conversations over and over, it's offputting. That said, I think part of the reason that's happening is because it's summer and a lot of people have nothing better to do.

Anyway, I actually came into this thread to give my own insights before I read HYSHopeful's post. I think part of self study is that, after you've done the bibles, super prep, and whatever else you really need to keep at it with the PT's. I know I've said it elsewhere, and it's different for everyone, but the PT's is where I've seen the biggest jump in improvement. I note down my mood, all my observations and patterns and learn from how I take the test. RC for example, I was originally getting about -7 wrong. This was surprising to me at the time because I'm an avid reader, I expected it to be my best and on the ACT I got a perfect score on that section. But of course, the LSAT isn't the ACT and it's not there to test exactly the same things. You need to put those preconceptions aside. After reading Super Prep I was still having difficulty. Following my Testmasters weekend course, I figured out a better way to approach the section and was generally getting about -4. However, I still kept missing one or two certain types of questions. Once I figured out what my problem was with this section, I generally can get -1 or -2 in RC with a minute or two to spare. And hopefully I can get that down to 0 with more and more practice. As EarlCat says (and forgive me if I take liberties), taking the LSAT is like playing an instrument. The more you practice, the better you get. Yes, some people are born with a more innate ability than others, all that means is you have to work harder to compensate. The more you practice, the more your mind understands and works in tune with the LSAT, the more aware you are with your problem areas and faults. So practice practice practice.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Spor on August 02, 2008, 04:43:08 PM
Get used to getting nitpicked and instead of backing down in those situations you instead step up to the plate, argue your case and fight for your position. Quiet lawyers that back down when fought against are wimpy and are typically not effective advocates and do not achieve much success, nor are they respected or taken seriously by their peers.  The word 'posturing' comes to mind.

It's probably a good thing no one is here to test their lawyering skills then.  We are here to give and seek advice on the LSAT.  There is no question all your wildly off topic ranting is detrimental to the purpose of this forum.  Besides trashing what would otherwise be useful threads you are turning this forum into another TLS.  The forum you yourself advocated against for the same reasons you are ruining this forum.  Take a look at your posts and really think hard about how they are any different from any of the crap you hate about TLS.  We've all posted off topic crap for the sake of fun, you just take it so much further.  Anyway, I'm done with my off-topic rant.  It isn't like you are going to really pay attention to any of this anyway. 
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 02, 2008, 05:14:34 PM

It should be noted that subject matter interest is just one factor in determining the difficulty of a passage. As noted, complexity level is another, as are the difficulty of the questions themselves. None of this contradicts the idea that one should generally work through the passages in order of difficulty if they wish to maximize their points.

difficulty level, which what norming measure, already reflect such factors as "complexity level" no less than, as alreadxy mentioned, "ienterest level."

presumably you believe your tutees impressed by these fictions.  if so, good for you and bad for them.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 02, 2008, 05:17:10 PM
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me.

and so apparently lindbergh continue to give out at least some patently inaccurate information.

wrong is wrong.

Let's see, I believe that students should tackle the reading comp passages/questions (and all other areas) in order of perceived difficulty, and julie feels they should all be done in order, because she feels the LSAT has graciously already set them up in order of difficulty.

Doing them in order of difficulty clearly makes sense, as this is the most efficient way to get through the exam and maximize your points, given that all questions are worth the same amount of points, and time is limited.

The only real question, therefore, is whether the LSAT does in fact generously set up all questions, passages, games, etc, in order of difficulty. I have seen no evidence that they do, and, in fact, according to my own experience, and the experience of the students I have worked with, this is not in fact the case.


still ignorant of norming data, julie see.  look like weak research skills.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 02, 2008, 05:20:13 PM
Dude, wtf?

And what happened to my earlier post in this thread???

it still there.  beautifully done, too.  julie sort of agree with you, depending what you mean by "self preparation."
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 02, 2008, 05:29:17 PM
Why does this seem to happen on most threads in this Forum? It seems as though 90% of all threads in "Studying for the LSAT" get derailed by Julie Fern and Cliff007.

It is frustrating to post well-considered, thoughtful advice only to realize that it is hidden between pages of nonsensical rambling between Cliff007 and Julie Fern.

Generally, the best strategy is to ignore them as much as possible. Unfortunately, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. There have been threads where I've spent an hour carefully answering the question of someone who legitimately needs advice. I come back a few days later only to find that these two have filled the following 4 pages with their tomfoolery. The thread dies, and the advice is never read by more than a few people who happened upon it before the thread was denigrated. This discourages individuals like me from posting legitimate advice, it makes it difficult or impossible for people in real need of advice to receive it. These absurd digressions are hurting the "Studying for the LSAT" board, and they are hurting the people who come here for help.

Julie Fern and Cliff007: I understand that you two are just having fun, but please consider how your posts are effecting those who come here to give/receive legitimate advice and engage in an actual intellectual discourse about a very difficult exam. Limiting this sort of behavior to Off-Topic boards would be very much appreciated.

Lindbergh: Replying to them only encourages them... and contributes to the pages of text that people have to sift through to finally find any real advice.

EarlCat: Is there anything that you can do as a moderator to control and/or limit this?

Thanks!
-HYSHopeful

90%?  that absolute blather.  do little empirical research, hon.

and julie has been addressing lsat on this board, dear, in particular that lindbergh not know ass from hole in ground.  julie guess you not know much. more than him.  how much you pay him for that tutoring, anyway?

respond or not, it all same to julie.  lindbergh just trying salvage what left of his reputation, whatever that may have been.

noob such as yourself presumably unaware that there long-standing tradition on lsd that discussion of lsat can be done without keeping in place that huge stick some posters have up their ass. actually, julie propose ban both humorless preppies and misinformed "experts," but these pleas unheeded.

so, to review:  rebut, agree, joke back, ignore.  you have many options.  you chose complain.  congratulations.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 02, 2008, 05:31:09 PM
I agree with HYSHopeful's post.

Whenever I'm on LSD I have to look left, and if it says 'Julie Fern' or 'cliff007' I skip it. It's annoying, and I'm sure many others are equally annoyed when they lose a minute of their life reading a worthless post.

Cliff, I un-shunned you long enough to read what you wrote above. You really do have horrible writing and reasoning skills. If you do happen to escape the mechanisms the admissions process has in place, and you get into a decent law school, I have no doubt that you will perform as poorly as you communicate.

Re-shun.



judging from this post, if julie ever had noticed you, julie be ignoring you, too.

but, by all means, follow lindbergh's advice.  you be getting what you deserve.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: EarlCat on August 04, 2008, 07:05:37 PM
self-study and not progressing go hand in hand, imo. 

So do you suggest a specific alternative?  A certain course or a tutor?

I don't ever recommend a specific course unless I know who is teaching it.  But I do recommend finding a pro to work with you, either through tutoring or a course.  Books don't give feedback on your bad habits.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: ChiGirl on August 11, 2008, 08:55:50 PM
I'm sorry to bump this thread but can I just say I wholeheartedly agree with you 110%?!  I just printed up this post today (33 pages!!!) and most of it was a 'conversation' between these 2 people! Talk about a total waste of ink. :-\

Then I searched the forum for other advice on prepping (as advised by a # of posters here) and most of them were hijacked by these 2 posters. 

I think my work is cut out for me w/trying to find a thread not disrupted by them. >:(


Why does this seem to happen on most threads in this Forum? It seems as though 90% of all threads in "Studying for the LSAT" get derailed by Julie Fern and Cliff007.

It is frustrating to post well-considered, thoughtful advice only to realize that it is hidden between pages of nonsensical rambling between Cliff007 and Julie Fern.

Generally, the best strategy is to ignore them as much as possible. Unfortunately, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. There have been threads where I've spent an hour carefully answering the question of someone who legitimately needs advice. I come back a few days later only to find that these two have filled the following 4 pages with their tomfoolery. The thread dies, and the advice is never read by more than a few people who happened upon it before the thread was denigrated. This discourages individuals like me from posting legitimate advice, it makes it difficult or impossible for people in real need of advice to receive it. These absurd digressions are hurting the "Studying for the LSAT" board, and they are hurting the people who come here for help.

Julie Fern and Cliff007: I understand that you two are just having fun, but please consider how your posts are effecting those who come here to give/receive legitimate advice and engage in an actual intellectual discourse about a very difficult exam. Limiting this sort of behavior to Off-Topic boards would be very much appreciated.

Lindbergh: Replying to them only encourages them... and contributes to the pages of text that people have to sift through to finally find any real advice. 

EarlCat: Is there anything that you can do as a moderator to control and/or limit this?

Thanks!
-HYSHopeful
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 12, 2008, 06:03:55 AM
I'm sorry to bump this thread but can I just say I wholeheartedly agree with you 110%?! I just printed up this post today (33 pages!!!) and most of it was a 'conversation' between these 2 people! Talk about a total waste of ink. :-\

Then I searched the forum for other advice on prepping (as advised by a # of posters here) and most of them were hijacked by these 2 posters.

I think my work is cut out for me w/trying to find a thread not disrupted by them. >:(


Why does this seem to happen on most threads in this Forum? It seems as though 90% of all threads in "Studying for the LSAT" get derailed by Julie Fern and Cliff007.

It is frustrating to post well-considered, thoughtful advice only to realize that it is hidden between pages of nonsensical rambling between Cliff007 and Julie Fern.

Generally, the best strategy is to ignore them as much as possible. Unfortunately, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. There have been threads where I've spent an hour carefully answering the question of someone who legitimately needs advice. I come back a few days later only to find that these two have filled the following 4 pages with their tomfoolery. The thread dies, and the advice is never read by more than a few people who happened upon it before the thread was denigrated. This discourages individuals like me from posting legitimate advice, it makes it difficult or impossible for people in real need of advice to receive it. These absurd digressions are hurting the "Studying for the LSAT" board, and they are hurting the people who come here for help.

Julie Fern and Cliff007: I understand that you two are just having fun, but please consider how your posts are effecting those who come here to give/receive legitimate advice and engage in an actual intellectual discourse about a very difficult exam. Limiting this sort of behavior to Off-Topic boards would be very much appreciated.

Lindbergh: Replying to them only encourages them... and contributes to the pages of text that people have to sift through to finally find any real advice.

EarlCat: Is there anything that you can do as a moderator to control and/or limit this?

Thanks!
-HYSHopeful

and your reward be follow lindbergh's inaccurate advice.

good for you!
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 12, 2008, 06:04:42 AM
I agree with HYSHopeful's post.

Whenever I'm on LSD I have to look left, and if it says 'Julie Fern' or 'cliff007' I skip it. It's annoying, and I'm sure many others are equally annoyed when they lose a minute of their life reading a worthless post.

Cliff, I un-shunned you long enough to read what you wrote above. You really do have horrible writing and reasoning skills. If you do happen to escape the mechanisms the admissions process has in place, and you get into a decent law school, I have no doubt that you will perform as poorly as you communicate.

Re-shun.



I obviously agree with both of you, and have already decided, as noted, to avoid replying to irrelevant crap as much as possible.

It would be nice if there were an "ignore" function one could use with specific posters -- it would make the LSAT Study board much more useful, and easier to navigate. I'll propose this to EarlCat.

what would be nice if you knew ass from hole in ground.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 12, 2008, 10:21:18 AM
julie engaging in actual accurate discourse.  if you not like, that tough.

stopped trying figure out your norming shortcomings, eh lindy?  what an "expert"!
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: December2008 on August 12, 2008, 12:07:07 PM
You are the best troll I've ever came across. :D


julie engaging in actual accurate discourse.  if you not like, that tough.

stopped trying figure out your norming shortcomings, eh lindy?  what an "expert"!
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 12, 2008, 01:31:18 PM
nonsense.  julie right about that.  if that make julie "troll," so be it.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 13, 2008, 07:28:10 AM
julie got lsac data.  you, on other hand, deny their very existence.

onlookers only need apply smell test.  and your attempted diversions about al gore not going cut it, weenie.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 13, 2008, 07:35:00 AM
julie got lsac data. you, on other hand, deny their very existence.

onlookers only need apply smell test. and your attempted diversions about al gore not going cut it, weenie.

Yes, julie. Your imaginary friend norm gave you lsac data proving that the LSAC conveniently lines up the questions in order of difficulty. We've already thanked you for this. Why do you feel the need to keep repeating it? Or denying that Al Gore is the father of the internet?

Thank you again for your pearls of wisdom. Thank norm while you're at it to. We're all very grateful to you both. :-*

"imaginary"?  hey, pencildick, exactly how you think lsat score calculated but for norming data?  what hell you think "experimental" section all about, if not norming?

ha ha, what idiot.  you must've blown your entire admission committee...assuming you got in anywhere, of coourse.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 13, 2008, 07:38:20 AM
first, you have admit data exist.  then you have admit you have no idea what they say.

now wipe off your mouth, you left little there.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 13, 2008, 07:44:59 AM
first, you have admit data exist. then you have admit you have no idea what they say.


We've already thanked you for norm's data, which apparently says that the LSAC lines up the questions in order of difficulty, given what you've stated.  why not theory that questions on odd-numbered pages easier?

I really don't know what else you want from us. We can only thank you so many times for your contribution. But thanks again, I'm sure it will be very helpful. :-*

you say "apparently" because, desite being self-proclaimed expert, you got no clue where find them.

and julie expecially amused by your theory that "some" taking lsat will find questions easier simply because of physical placement at end of section, regardless of norming data or even idiosyncratic preferences.  what, you reject theory that questions on odd-numbered pages tend be easier?  julie bet you believe in astrology, too.

man, what friggin' idiot you.  and now whole world know.

and now everyone see why you trying so hard demean julie.

[lindy look around for someone blow his way out of dilemma.]
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 13, 2008, 07:50:48 AM
[lindy think:  damn, maybe i better actually try find those friggin' data.  or, could just make another anal joke and hope that good enough.]
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 13, 2008, 07:52:03 AM
[but what do when data confirm julie absolutely correct?  do that mean i no longer able try fool people here into hiring me as tutor?]
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 14, 2008, 11:01:01 AM
julie not post data because she want whole world see how little you know.  julie not like poseurs.

but again:  you are aware norming data collected, right?  and you know so little about lsat that you not have any of them?  even though julie mentioned them here several days ago?

amazing.  crawl back into your hole.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 14, 2008, 12:33:08 PM
cliffy, you actually show little perception there.

reality is that there wide range of difficulty on lsat, hardest questions being answered by fewer than 20% of test-takers, easiest above 90%.  so, to ignore this difference, as lindbergh propose, true test-taking idiocy.

some will read these exchanges and be appropriately enlightened.  others will be lemmings off cliff.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: !закон и право! on August 14, 2008, 12:38:41 PM
Okay, as a qualifier, I haven't been here long enough, but I have one question:

Why is Julie's grammar (and spelling in some instances) so &*#&ing bad?

Is this part of some online persona because it's painful to read.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 14, 2008, 12:40:57 PM
not mock handicapped.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: !закон и право! on August 14, 2008, 12:47:48 PM
I don't get it.

Oooga Boooga to you too.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 14, 2008, 12:49:06 PM
serious julie thought:  why is it that none of others on here who give their advice so freely seem to know about what norming data show?  are they as ignorant as lindbergh?
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 14, 2008, 12:50:23 PM
I don't get it.

Oooga Boooga to you too.

julie have brain cloud from eating bad tuna salad sandwich.

non-noobs know this.  apparently julie must educate each generation anew.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 14, 2008, 01:01:44 PM
you know, cliffy, your humor be better if there more humor there.
Title: Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
Post by: Julie Fern on August 14, 2008, 01:20:52 PM
twisted if fine.  just better if it actually funny.