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Title: book totin' question
Post by: philosophia on July 20, 2008, 04:57:27 PM
OK, so maybe this is WAY ridiculous to even be thinking about, but I am concerned about lugging around these heavy books...

So, my question is: Assuming I brief each case for class, is it still necessary to bring the casebook? Will I wish I had it for some terrible Socratic Method showdown?!?!   ???
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: almostlegal on July 20, 2008, 05:48:37 PM
You will want your books most likely, but you can get your books unbound (they take the pages out of the binding, then they punch holes into the pages, you keep the book in a large three ring binder at home, and you transport the necessary pages to class in a smaller three hole binder). 

There is always the wheelie bag option, but I wouldn't recommend it.  Get a good bookbag with two straps and a fair amount of cushioning (I love Jansport's airlift straps, others get North Face, LL Bean, etc.).  A friend who used the wheelie bag option actually had worse back damage, apparently the twisting of the spine and the positioning of the bag really messes with your spinal alignment and puts a lot of stress on your neck.  (She actually is in physical therapy post 1L year.)

I didn't have my books unbound, I used a two-strap bookbag, and my back was fine following the initial adjustment period (the first 2 weeks when your shoulders will hurt).
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: philosophia on July 20, 2008, 06:45:16 PM
 :o  I WAS TOTALLY GOING TO GET ONE OF THOSE!!!  PT? That's insanity!  Ok, well thanks for the thoughts.  Having them unbound sounds good, but what about trying to sell them back?  Not worth it anyway, like UG?
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Dxion on July 20, 2008, 06:47:47 PM
Don't buy a cheap bookbag. Get one designed for hiking.

If I had to do it again, I would get one with only one big pocket. The one I have now is nice, but it's divided into several pockets. That would be great if I were on the trail with a lot of small things and needed be able to get to them quickly, but they are useless when I'm lugging these giant books around. They're too small for a casebook, so they sit empty, taking up space.

I can't stress to you enough how important it is to get a sturdy bag, especially if you're going to be doing some walking. I think I spent around $120 for mine, and it has been worth every penny.

The last thing you want is to have the zipper on your bag pop open on a windy, rainy day, or have the strap break when you're running late to class.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Jhuen_the_bird on July 20, 2008, 07:22:35 PM
You want your books - sometimes when profs call on you they want you to read from the text or look up something on a specific page - they refer to things you may not have read, etc.

Briefing alone is not sufficient ... besides - you'll suck at briefing and write down the wrong things at first.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: jacy85 on July 20, 2008, 07:27:03 PM
I'd recommend a sturdy laptop backpack.  Mine is a Jansport bag.  There's one small front pocket that holds a ton of pens, highlighters, a snack, etc.  A small velcro pocket on the side, where I usually tossed my keys.  A drink holder.  And a small pocket on the top front for your power adapter.  And the main bag is separated into 2 parts.  One part has a built in laptop sleeve, and the other two parts were enough space for me to carry around 3 case books.  The straps were well padded for weight, and there was a strap clip to spread some of the weight across my chest.

It's held up EXTREMELY well for the last 3 years of school and occasional traveling.  I highly recommend the brand and the type of bag.

Mine is similar to these two:
http://jansport.com/js_product_detail.php?cid=41&pid=TFJ6 (http://jansport.com/js_product_detail.php?cid=41&pid=TFJ6)

http://jansport.com/js_product_detail.php?cid=41&pid=TND4 (http://jansport.com/js_product_detail.php?cid=41&pid=TND4)
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: resipsaloquitur on July 21, 2008, 09:07:17 AM
You can also try unbinding your books yourself.  You can cut the cover off with a razor blade, but leave the glue binding intact.  Split the book into three smaller pieces. Voila!  You can go a step further and cut the binding off and whole punch if you want to.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: TimMitchell on July 21, 2008, 09:15:39 AM
Timbuk2 makes the coolest bags. I have this one: http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/limited-edition/wool-limited-edition-laptop-messenger
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: NoUsername on July 21, 2008, 09:26:55 AM
The new trend seems to be to get a book bag with rollers and an extendable handle on it.  This was originally designed for bags that were actually too heavy for some to carry, such as luggage for a long vacation, but has been downsized to smaller bags that people are just too lazy to carry.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: kolya on July 21, 2008, 09:34:04 AM
I just left my books at a locker (and later a journal office) every day.  It helped me get work done more efficiently to be forced to do it at school; if I ever had to take books home, it was never more than one at a time, which isn't bad at all.  I'd recommend that to anyone who has the chance.  Another plus is you never have to worry about leaving one at home, because they're always on campus.

Plus, it is a physical impossibility to look professional with a rolling backpack.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Matthies on July 21, 2008, 10:11:38 AM
Bring the books - professors will point out lines they feel are important (especially in Con Law). You'll want to have them just in czse (no pun intended) you want to highlight.

As to bags, I'm a big fan of Tom Bihn (http://www.tombihn.com/) - I got the Brain Bag...they offer a custom made padded computer container (sized to fit your laptop)...it's around $200 for the whole thing but I've given it 2 years of rough treatment and it looks new. I've dropped the bag in the street hard and the laptop has always been undamaged.

It's waterproof (resistant?) and has pockets on the front and top for mouse, wallet, keys, etc. It has a hip strap to take the strain off your back.

You'll spend a lot of money on books and they won't last as long or look as good as this bag.

REI bags are also good...I've got one of those I use for overnight business trips.

Roller bags are common at school too - they don't appeal to me but some students swear by them.

Good Luck!

I second the Brain Nag its HUGE, still the biggest cubic inch bag I have ever seen. Holds everything and protects your laptop. I very sadly had to give it up when I went to a 17 inch laptop and I have gone through 4 bags since then with nothing coming close to the Brain Bag. I'm going back to the BG this year, and just give up some protection for my lap top, BEST BAG EVER
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 21, 2008, 12:14:07 PM
I just left my books at a locker (and later a journal office) every day.  It helped me get work done more efficiently to be forced to do it at school; if I ever had to take books home, it was never more than one at a time, which isn't bad at all.  I'd recommend that to anyone who has the chance.  Another plus is you never have to worry about leaving one at home, because they're always on campus.

Plus, it is a physical impossibility to look professional with a rolling backpack.

In doing this were you usually able to make it home in time for dinner? (I'm serious -- I really don't want to have to eat out/on campus because of $$).

And re: the bolded . . . I'm not really concerned with looking "professional" or not, but is there anything remotely practical that doesn't look so hopelessly dorky?  I mean, no offense, guys, your taste is your taste.  But I myself am not too happy about having to rock a padded camping backpack with a million straps, and I'd rather die than have a rolling backpack.  I've had my eye on some large satchel-type bags and stuff, but I don't think that's going to work unless I'm okay with weekly appointments with a chiropractor starting at age 25 . . .
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: jacy85 on July 21, 2008, 12:19:17 PM
If you have a locker, and plan on having all your stuff at school pretty much all the time, than all you need is a laptop tote.

But if you plan on carrying ANY books with you, for the love of god, do NOT get a satchel.  As you already know, you'll kill your back.

I personally would never rebind my books (which is inevitably going to be, or has been a suggestion here).  They're too damn expensive, and you lose every cent of resale value (and I'm talking half.com resale, not the $2 you get at the bookstore).  I've made a decent amt of money back on selling my stuff back on half or amazon.

So it really does come down to a nice laptop backpack or rolly bag.  These are NOT all "camping" backpacks; I suggest you look into some of them by various manufacturers.  Yes, they're still a backpack, so you're going to have straps and whatever. But many are very simple, nice colors, etc. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: goaliechica on July 21, 2008, 12:23:35 PM
I unbound all of my casebooks and put them in binders, and used a regular northface backpack with padded straps for my books and my computer. And then about a month into school I wound up in the emergency room when my back completely gave out on me. I had to actually crawl down the stairs of my apartment, and they had to give me a morphine shot so that I could untwist myself enough just to be able to sit. I'v never had back problems before or since then, and I'm in pretty decent shape.

So I use a wheeled bag now, and anyone who thinks it looks unprofessional can suck it, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: philosophia on July 21, 2008, 01:40:28 PM
Some good stuff here.  I found this bag on overstock and it looks pretty nice.  It's a rolling backpack, but is leather and looks less ridiculous.  Plus, it can double as a weekend bag.  And, it has a computer protector.

http://www.overstock.com/Luggage-Bags/APC-Leather-Backpack-on-Wheels/708661/product.html?#custreviews (http://www.overstock.com/Luggage-Bags/APC-Leather-Backpack-on-Wheels/708661/product.html?#custreviews)

Or maybe this one... (which is decidedly less attractive, but seems okay)

http://www.overstock.com/Luggage-Bags/Leather-Backpack-on-Wheels/33080/product.html? (http://www.overstock.com/Luggage-Bags/Leather-Backpack-on-Wheels/33080/product.html?)

FYI, I will be using public transportation since my school is a block from a station, so I think something I can roll OR carry might be ideal.  Plus, I plan on renting a locker at school and the rec center for on-campus storage.

I think I have reasonably incorporated all of your great insight into a workable solution for me.  Too bad if I look like a jackasz, my already-bad-back will thank my ego later!  ::)

Thanks for the comments!
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 21, 2008, 02:24:33 PM
Why not carry a backpack for school, where you'll be 95% of the time your first year and where you'll look like 98% of the other students, and then get a satchel for those times you want to look more polished? Franklin Covey has some really great bags.

I'm far too attractive to carry a camping backpack, but I trust people will learn to appreciate the flair with which I wear it.

Because I'm way cooler than the other kids.

No, seriously though, my pride will not abide anything like the suggested styles.  I mean, I don't judge others for wearing them, because they are eminently practical and it's not like all of them are poorly designed, per se, they're just TOTALLY not my style.  It's really not about what other people think, it's more that the prospect of having to cart around such a thing makes me depressed.  (And yes, I know that to some this sounds ridiculous, but whatever.  I'll let you be you, and you should let me be me).

So, since I neither want to be unfashionable nor crippled, anyone else care to comment in more detail about the feasibility of keeping everything in a locker?  I know I'll have one at school.  I just worry about time management issues, especially since I both have no idea what my schedule will look like and no idea how big a casebook is except that it's just big.  So for example, could one maybe take one book + one computer home in a (more) normal bag without dying from the weight?  Would a casebook fit into an oversized laptop bag, or a large messenger bag?  And work-wise, would it be possible to only have to take home one casebook per day?  To be able to do this, will I have to be on campus for like 17 hours a day?
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 21, 2008, 02:41:55 PM
Dischord, you'd be the laughingstock of every indie sewing-circle around if you wore a backpack huh?  You'd never live it down...
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 21, 2008, 02:45:49 PM
Why not carry a backpack for school, where you'll be 95% of the time your first year and where you'll look like 98% of the other students, and then get a satchel for those times you want to look more polished? Franklin Covey has some really great bags.

I'm far too attractive to carry a camping backpack, but I trust people will learn to appreciate the flair with which I wear it.

Because I'm way cooler than the other kids.

No, seriously though, my pride will not abide anything like the suggested styles.  I mean, I don't judge others for wearing them, because they are eminently practical and it's not like all of them are poorly designed, per se, they're just TOTALLY not my style.  It's really not about what other people think, it's more that the prospect of having to cart around such a thing makes me depressed.  (And yes, I know that to some this sounds ridiculous, but whatever.  I'll let you be you, and you should let me be me).

So, since I neither want to be unfashionable nor crippled, anyone else care to comment in more detail about the feasibility of keeping everything in a locker?  I know I'll have one at school.  I just worry about time management issues, especially since I both have no idea what my schedule will look like and no idea how big a casebook is except that it's just big.  So for example, could one maybe take one book + one computer home in a (more) normal bag without dying from the weight?  Would a casebook fit into an oversized laptop bag, or a large messenger bag?  And work-wise, would it be possible to only have to take home one casebook per day?  To be able to do this, will I have to be on campus for like 17 hours a day?

You're going to law school and you're worried that it's the backpack that's gonna make you look like a nerd? 

Seriously, you will be spending many hours per day reading.  Where you do it is up to you, but there are days when I don't leave the library until 8:00, and then I still have more to do when I get home.  It's not like that every night (like now, as you can tell by the fact that I'm screwing around for a few minutes before I get to work), but at times like now (my second memo is due next week), I am generally doing about 10 hours a day of reading, plus class time.  I bring all of my books with me to the library, because I don't feel like walking back to my locker, but it would not be ridiculous to stretch my legs while switching materials. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 21, 2008, 02:50:21 PM
Dischord, you'd be the laughingstock of every indie sewing-circle around if you wore a backpack huh?  You'd never live it down...

Lol.  Yeah, none of them match my skinny jeans  ::)

Ender, it's not that I'm afraid of looking like a nerd . . . I mean, I don't know how to explain this to someone who isn't as aesthics-obsessed as I am sometimes, but it just makes me feel bad about myself.  It's not so much what other people think as it is my looking at the thing and being like, "Eww." 

I actually have a plain, beat-up, old school L.L. Bean backpack that I like quite a bit, I just don't think it will be adequate, either in size or in terms of back pain.  Although it was my dad's backpack when HE was in law school, and while he didn't have a laptop back then, as far as I'm aware it was fine.  So maybe I'll just stick with that?
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 21, 2008, 02:56:33 PM
But how do you reconcile your intellectual snobbery with your fashion sensibilities?  Is that possible??
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 21, 2008, 02:59:13 PM
But how do you reconcile your intellectual snobbery with your fashion sensibilities?  Is that possible??

::shrugs::

I was an art major in college?  I think that about explains it, even if it doesn't provide a justification. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 21, 2008, 03:05:30 PM
Fair enough...
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 21, 2008, 03:10:55 PM
Anyway, I'm not saying that I WILL NOT wear a dorky backpack if there really and truly is no feasible alternative.  I just would rather not if it can be avoided.  I'm also trying to avoid on the one hand buying an ugly bag I don't like only to find out that a better looking one would have served just as well, and on the other hand wasting money on a "hip" bag only to find that I have to go get some practical atrocity on wheels.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 21, 2008, 03:15:22 PM
OMG OMG oh my *&^%!

Should I have waffles or eggs for breakfast tomorrow?  I can't take it!  Oh my *&^%!  Waffles taste great...but I don't need the sugar!

I DON'T NEED THE SUGAR PEOPLE...
oh my *&^%...

Eggs are the healthier option...but maybe a whole wheat bagel...I don't know what to do!

I wish Wally was here...he could calm everyone down...

(I've had too much sugar today.)
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 21, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
Waffles and eggs are considerably less expensive than a quality bag  :P

If Wally were here, he'd probably try to get current students to supply him with a strap width to class rank ratio.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 21, 2008, 03:47:23 PM
I'm just messing around...
I'm excited about finding a new backpack...
No matter how superior Dischord feels to me...
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: StevePirates on July 21, 2008, 04:05:59 PM
No RollyBags Allowed.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: TimMitchell on July 21, 2008, 04:59:36 PM
I think I'll just use a plastic bag from the supermarket
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 21, 2008, 05:58:57 PM
I got this bag and used it in Europe, and it was horribly painful, so I think I'll use it in law school too (was the reason I bought a bag with a laptop compartment in the first place):

http://www.dakine.com/street-series/guys/packs/campus-lg/

... or something similar.  disc, they have some patterns that aren't horrible..?  I could see you rocking maybe the red plaid one, or if you get the wheeled version there is a brown plaid.

We shall scour the internet and find you something practical and yet dischord-y.

Random, I'm confused by the bolded.  Although, you know, law school IS all about masochism  ;)

I think I could do this, I'd feel like I was on Safari:
http://www.dakine.com/street-series/guys/packs/outpost/

Yeah, I've been looking on Etsy, and while I've found some stuff that LOOKS awesome, none of it looks ergonomically sound. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: MiamiHurricane on July 21, 2008, 06:14:17 PM
I too had no interest in the rolly bag. . . that is until my husband, a physical therapist, threatened to stop giving me back rubs unless I got one.  I decided the back pain just wasn't worth it. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 21, 2008, 06:17:10 PM
I too had no interest in the rolly bag. . . that is until my husband, a physical therapist, threatened to stop giving me back rubs unless I got one.  I decided the back pain just wasn't worth it. 

Please tell me you're not actually considering that.  I would sooner make multiple trips, carrying one book on each.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: MiamiHurricane on July 21, 2008, 07:14:06 PM
I too had no interest in the rolly bag. . . that is until my husband, a physical therapist, threatened to stop giving me back rubs unless I got one.  I decided the back pain just wasn't worth it. 

Please tell me you're not actually considering that.  I would sooner make multiple trips, carrying one book on each.

Actually, I've graduated and am studying for the bar, so yes, I used the rolly bag. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: skeeball on July 21, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
One girl in my section actually carried her stuff around in a rolling suitcase.

My Brenthaven bag was the only one I saw that had a big enough laptop compartment AND plenty of room for casebooks. It's not the prettiest bag, but it's been great for me.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: almostlegal on July 21, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
I got this bag and used it in Europe, and it was horribly painful, so I think I'll use it in law school too (was the reason I bought a bag with a laptop compartment in the first place):

http://www.dakine.com/street-series/guys/packs/campus-lg/

... or something similar.  disc, they have some patterns that aren't horrible..?  I could see you rocking maybe the red plaid one, or if you get the wheeled version there is a brown plaid.

We shall scour the internet and find you something practical and yet dischord-y.

Random, I'm confused by the bolded.  Although, you know, law school IS all about masochism  ;)

I think I could do this, I'd feel like I was on Safari:
http://www.dakine.com/street-series/guys/packs/outpost/

Yeah, I've been looking on Etsy, and while I've found some stuff that LOOKS awesome, none of it looks ergonomically sound. 


If you go to www.zappos.com, you can search for backpacks by material and color.  They also have user reviews.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: kolya on July 21, 2008, 09:33:12 PM
I just left my books at a locker (and later a journal office) every day.  It helped me get work done more efficiently to be forced to do it at school; if I ever had to take books home, it was never more than one at a time, which isn't bad at all.  I'd recommend that to anyone who has the chance.  Another plus is you never have to worry about leaving one at home, because they're always on campus.

Plus, it is a physical impossibility to look professional with a rolling backpack.

In doing this were you usually able to make it home in time for dinner? (I'm serious -- I really don't want to have to eat out/on campus because of $$).

And re: the bolded . . . I'm not really concerned with looking "professional" or not, but is there anything remotely practical that doesn't look so hopelessly dorky?  I mean, no offense, guys, your taste is your taste.  But I myself am not too happy about having to rock a padded camping backpack with a million straps, and I'd rather die than have a rolling backpack.  I've had my eye on some large satchel-type bags and stuff, but I don't think that's going to work unless I'm okay with weekly appointments with a chiropractor starting at age 25 . . .

Seriously, leave it all at school. If you can compartmentalize your life (school gets this many hours with no interruption, then you go home and do what you want) you will have much more free time to take advantage of, instead of squandered time.  I suggest finding a good place at school you can work at, and staying 'til you're done.  You might have a couple late nights, but there's no avoiding that any way you look at it.  I was able to make it home for dinner and cook for myself pretty much all the time.  If I thought it might go late, I brought a sandwich and maybe a banana.  Instant oatmeal packets are also your best friend.  I never bring more than one book anywhere; usually all I have is a spiral notebook, some pens and a couple highlighters.  The wonderfulness of this approach cannot be overstated, especially as you watch your sweaty friends lumber in late to class and try to squeak by the professor with four law books on their backs.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: MaxtoneFour on July 21, 2008, 09:39:01 PM
Here's a good lifting program if you're interested.


http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm

It works. I'm deadlifting 300+ lbs. at 160 (ectomorph build).
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 21, 2008, 09:46:35 PM
I just left my books at a locker (and later a journal office) every day.  It helped me get work done more efficiently to be forced to do it at school; if I ever had to take books home, it was never more than one at a time, which isn't bad at all.  I'd recommend that to anyone who has the chance.  Another plus is you never have to worry about leaving one at home, because they're always on campus.

Plus, it is a physical impossibility to look professional with a rolling backpack.

In doing this were you usually able to make it home in time for dinner? (I'm serious -- I really don't want to have to eat out/on campus because of $$).

And re: the bolded . . . I'm not really concerned with looking "professional" or not, but is there anything remotely practical that doesn't look so hopelessly dorky?  I mean, no offense, guys, your taste is your taste.  But I myself am not too happy about having to rock a padded camping backpack with a million straps, and I'd rather die than have a rolling backpack.  I've had my eye on some large satchel-type bags and stuff, but I don't think that's going to work unless I'm okay with weekly appointments with a chiropractor starting at age 25 . . .

Seriously, leave it all at school. If you can compartmentalize your life (school gets this many hours with no interruption, then you go home and do what you want) you will have much more free time to take advantage of, instead of squandered time.  I suggest finding a good place at school you can work at, and staying 'til you're done.  You might have a couple late nights, but there's no avoiding that any way you look at it.  I was able to make it home for dinner and cook for myself pretty much all the time.  If I thought it might go late, I brought a sandwich and maybe a banana.  Instant oatmeal packets are also your best friend.  I never bring more than one book anywhere; usually all I have is a spiral notebook, some pens and a couple highlighters.  The wonderfulness of this approach cannot be overstated, especially as you watch your sweaty friends lumber in late to class and try to squeak by the professor with four law books on their backs.

Dude.  This is SO my plan.  There are many things in this post that indicate that you and I think alike.

Do you live super close to school?  I'm going to have a bit of a commute, but not TOO much walking I don't think.

Anyway, you are now my law school logistics guru.



I think I could do this, I'd feel like I was on Safari:
http://www.dakine.com/street-series/guys/packs/outpost/

I'm so confused by your aesthetic sensibilities.


I'm kind of into this one: http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-expandable-trek-titanium.html (http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-expandable-trek-titanium.html)

It's expandable, so big enough for everything when needed, but not permanently ginormous to make you look like an ant carrying a nibble of sandwich back to the queen. I'd get the orange, of course.

And I by yours.  My selection isn't my dream bag, but still, to each his own, I suppose.




Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: jacy85 on July 22, 2008, 05:53:27 AM

Seriously, leave it all at school. If you can compartmentalize your life (school gets this many hours with no interruption, then you go home and do what you want) you will have much more free time to take advantage of, instead of squandered time.  I suggest finding a good place at school you can work at, and staying 'til you're done.  You might have a couple late nights, but there's no avoiding that any way you look at it.  I was able to make it home for dinner and cook for myself pretty much all the time.  If I thought it might go late, I brought a sandwich and maybe a banana.  Instant oatmeal packets are also your best friend.  I never bring more than one book anywhere; usually all I have is a spiral notebook, some pens and a couple highlighters.  The wonderfulness of this approach cannot be overstated, especially as you watch your sweaty friends lumber in late to class and try to squeak by the professor with four law books on their backs.

People I know who worked at school a lot found the compartmentalization very difficult simply because they weren't productive at school.  The library can be a horrifically distracting place, with classmates wandering around, talking/chatting, etc.

If this is really the plan, then you need to stake out the library ASAP when you start.  Look for the quietest corners; look and see if there's an undergrad library near by, etc.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: kolya on July 22, 2008, 06:00:34 AM
I just left my books at a locker (and later a journal office) every day.  It helped me get work done more efficiently to be forced to do it at school; if I ever had to take books home, it was never more than one at a time, which isn't bad at all.  I'd recommend that to anyone who has the chance.  Another plus is you never have to worry about leaving one at home, because they're always on campus.

Plus, it is a physical impossibility to look professional with a rolling backpack.

In doing this were you usually able to make it home in time for dinner? (I'm serious -- I really don't want to have to eat out/on campus because of $$).

And re: the bolded . . . I'm not really concerned with looking "professional" or not, but is there anything remotely practical that doesn't look so hopelessly dorky?  I mean, no offense, guys, your taste is your taste.  But I myself am not too happy about having to rock a padded camping backpack with a million straps, and I'd rather die than have a rolling backpack.  I've had my eye on some large satchel-type bags and stuff, but I don't think that's going to work unless I'm okay with weekly appointments with a chiropractor starting at age 25 . . .

Seriously, leave it all at school. If you can compartmentalize your life (school gets this many hours with no interruption, then you go home and do what you want) you will have much more free time to take advantage of, instead of squandered time.  I suggest finding a good place at school you can work at, and staying 'til you're done.  You might have a couple late nights, but there's no avoiding that any way you look at it.  I was able to make it home for dinner and cook for myself pretty much all the time.  If I thought it might go late, I brought a sandwich and maybe a banana.  Instant oatmeal packets are also your best friend.  I never bring more than one book anywhere; usually all I have is a spiral notebook, some pens and a couple highlighters.  The wonderfulness of this approach cannot be overstated, especially as you watch your sweaty friends lumber in late to class and try to squeak by the professor with four law books on their backs.

Dude.  This is SO my plan.  There are many things in this post that indicate that you and I think alike.

Do you live super close to school?  I'm going to have a bit of a commute, but not TOO much walking I don't think.

Anyway, you are now my law school logistics guru.

It's good to be appreciated.

I don't live super-close, but I commute by bike.  It's 25 minutes to school by metro, 15 by bike.  There are a couple hills, so that's why I'm super careful about keeping carrying weight down.  It sucks having to struggle up those things with a full pack.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: kolya on July 22, 2008, 06:02:14 AM

Seriously, leave it all at school. If you can compartmentalize your life (school gets this many hours with no interruption, then you go home and do what you want) you will have much more free time to take advantage of, instead of squandered time.  I suggest finding a good place at school you can work at, and staying 'til you're done.  You might have a couple late nights, but there's no avoiding that any way you look at it.  I was able to make it home for dinner and cook for myself pretty much all the time.  If I thought it might go late, I brought a sandwich and maybe a banana.  Instant oatmeal packets are also your best friend.  I never bring more than one book anywhere; usually all I have is a spiral notebook, some pens and a couple highlighters.  The wonderfulness of this approach cannot be overstated, especially as you watch your sweaty friends lumber in late to class and try to squeak by the professor with four law books on their backs.

People I know who worked at school a lot found the compartmentalization very difficult simply because they weren't productive at school.  The library can be a horrifically distracting place, with classmates wandering around, talking/chatting, etc.

If this is really the plan, then you need to stake out the library ASAP when you start.  Look for the quietest corners; look and see if there's an undergrad library near by, etc.

Distracting?  I think that if you talk in our library you will be shot.  It hasn't been an issue.  I presume most libraries have quiet spaces?
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: pikey on July 22, 2008, 06:53:05 AM

Seriously, leave it all at school. If you can compartmentalize your life (school gets this many hours with no interruption, then you go home and do what you want) you will have much more free time to take advantage of, instead of squandered time.  I suggest finding a good place at school you can work at, and staying 'til you're done.  You might have a couple late nights, but there's no avoiding that any way you look at it.  I was able to make it home for dinner and cook for myself pretty much all the time.  If I thought it might go late, I brought a sandwich and maybe a banana.  Instant oatmeal packets are also your best friend.  I never bring more than one book anywhere; usually all I have is a spiral notebook, some pens and a couple highlighters.  The wonderfulness of this approach cannot be overstated, especially as you watch your sweaty friends lumber in late to class and try to squeak by the professor with four law books on their backs.

People I know who worked at school a lot found the compartmentalization very difficult simply because they weren't productive at school.  The library can be a horrifically distracting place, with classmates wandering around, talking/chatting, etc.

If this is really the plan, then you need to stake out the library ASAP when you start.  Look for the quietest corners; look and see if there's an undergrad library near by, etc.

I'm also in the "get a backpack" camp.  I was strongly resisting it (kicking and screaming) last year, as you can see by the "girls, let's talk laptop bags" thread, but in the end I gave in to the inevitable.  You see it every cycle, women talking about how they want to get a cute bag and then later getting a backpack.  You don't necessarily have to get a big ole camping bag, just a regular laptop backpack with good padding.  Last year I tried to do all the work for at least one class at school, so that I was only carrying two books back and forth at most.  I also have a small laptop (12 inch), so that helps.  Ebags.com is a good site for reviews and deals on bags.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Connelly on July 22, 2008, 08:04:44 AM
Here's a good lifting program if you're interested.


http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm

It works. I'm deadlifting 300+ lbs. at 160 (ectomorph build).

I will second this.  This is vastly better than what most people in gyms do.

Also, the ectomorph build is the best for deadlifting.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: dischord on July 22, 2008, 08:31:15 AM

It's good to be appreciated.

I don't live super-close, but I commute by bike.  It's 25 minutes to school by metro, 15 by bike.  There are a couple hills, so that's why I'm super careful about keeping carrying weight down.  It sucks having to struggle up those things with a full pack.

Are you in DC? You can PM if you want, or not answer -- I was just curious because of the use of "metro" rather than "subway".


People I know who worked at school a lot found the compartmentalization very difficult simply because they weren't productive at school.  The library can be a horrifically distracting place, with classmates wandering around, talking/chatting, etc.

If this is really the plan, then you need to stake out the library ASAP when you start.  Look for the quietest corners; look and see if there's an undergrad library near by, etc.

Oh, I definitely dealt with this problem in UG, and after 4 years I got it down to a science.  The thing is, I had decided that I needed to be an on-campus studier regardless of the backpack dilemma because I get even more distracted at home, with not only people milling around and internet to surf but also art projects, whatever's shown up from Netflix, cooking, cleaning . . . I am such a terrible procrastinator that the library is the lesser of two evils, as I will seriously bake a loaf of bread from scratch and scrub my whole bathroom if it will put off homework.

Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: philosophia on July 22, 2008, 12:26:25 PM
I guess I just don't get the whole "I need a pretty bag thing." It reminds me of the girls in UG wearing stilettos to school! Ha, give me a break.  I mean to each her own and all, but I think you should at least try to become reasonably adjusted to the idea that you MIGHT end up wanting something that you can lug books home in. Not only that, but from some students I've talked to, the library and on-campus studying can become depressing.  Some say that they end up avoiding the library like the plague mid-semester and have to re-adjust their entire routine... just a thought, really.
 
And, IMO, fashion sense is more readily and adequately portrayed by the garments, shoes, make-up, hair "package" than by your "book bag."  I mean if we were talking handbags, I could see the dilemma, but we're talking about 30+ lbs of casebooks/computer/supplies!!!  Not what I call a good time.

The locker thing is an option, sure, but how big is this thing anyway?!?!  From the casebooks I have, I am skeptical that they could all fit in an average locker along with other school necessities... that could just be an exaggeration of course.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 22, 2008, 12:29:10 PM
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.




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Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: skeeball on July 22, 2008, 02:03:53 PM
I'm kind of into this one: http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-expandable-trek-titanium.html (http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-expandable-trek-titanium.html)

It's expandable, so big enough for everything when needed, but not permanently ginormous to make you look like an ant carrying a nibble of sandwich back to the queen. I'd get the orange, of course.

This is the bag I have. It holds a lot (yet I still always have to carry at least one casebook). People are always like "why are you carrying around so much *&^%?"
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Matthies on July 22, 2008, 02:24:51 PM
I'm kind of into this one: http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-expandable-trek-titanium.html (http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-expandable-trek-titanium.html)

It's expandable, so big enough for everything when needed, but not permanently ginormous to make you look like an ant carrying a nibble of sandwich back to the queen. I'd get the orange, of course.

This is the bag I have. It holds a lot (yet I still always have to carry at least one casebook). People are always like "why are you carrying around so much poo?"

The worst one are the people at my school who carry BOTH a backpack and a laptop bag. Christ get a bigger bag or don't carry so much *&^%. Your cars have trunks. That's my "locker".
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: skeeball on July 22, 2008, 02:53:30 PM
I'm kind of into this one: http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-expandable-trek-titanium.html (http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-expandable-trek-titanium.html)

It's expandable, so big enough for everything when needed, but not permanently ginormous to make you look like an ant carrying a nibble of sandwich back to the queen. I'd get the orange, of course.

This is the bag I have. It holds a lot (yet I still always have to carry at least one casebook). People are always like "why are you carrying around so much poo?"

The worst one are the people at my school who carry BOTH a backpack and a laptop bag. Christ get a bigger bag or don't carry so much *&^%. Your cars have trunks. That's my "locker".

A lot of girls at my school have a back pack, and a laptop bag, and a huge purse. It takes up so much room in class.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Connelly on July 22, 2008, 03:03:24 PM
This dilemma is just another way in which law school does not prepare you for firm life.  If they were really training you to be a lawyer, they would have operations assistants bring your books to class for you.  Don't even get me started on law schools making you take tests without an administrative assistant present. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 22, 2008, 03:14:00 PM
I got a tumi briefcase.  It was the only one where the computer part did not expand, but the other side did.  I like it a lot.  It gets tons of use and pretty much still looks new.  That said, I do all of my work at school, or bring at most one or two books home at a time.  It can get heavy, but my back seems to be doing ok, so eh.

http://www.tumi.com/category_search/expandable_organizer_computer_brief/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=111464

I guess they call it their "Alpha" line now.  It's pretty classic.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 22, 2008, 04:04:19 PM
I got a tumi briefcase.  It was the only one where the computer part did not expand, but the other side did.  I like it a lot.  It gets tons of use and pretty much still looks new.  That said, I do all of my work at school, or bring at most one or two books home at a time.  It can get heavy, but my back seems to be doing ok, so eh.

http://www.tumi.com/category_search/expandable_organizer_computer_brief/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=111464

I guess they call it their "Alpha" line now.  It's pretty classic.

$350?  Really??  Do you know how much __________ thats is?
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 22, 2008, 04:10:15 PM
I got a tumi briefcase.  It was the only one where the computer part did not expand, but the other side did.  I like it a lot.  It gets tons of use and pretty much still looks new.  That said, I do all of my work at school, or bring at most one or two books home at a time.  It can get heavy, but my back seems to be doing ok, so eh.

http://www.tumi.com/category_search/expandable_organizer_computer_brief/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=111464

I guess they call it their "Alpha" line now.  It's pretty classic.

$350?  Really??  Do you know how much __________ thats is?

About $350 I think.  :D

You'll have it forever?
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 22, 2008, 04:15:45 PM
Fair enough.  If it lasts forever I guess I could see it working...I don't consider myself particularly cheap/frugal but that price just jumped out at me for some reason...

I think I'd rather buy a cheaper bag and use the excess funds on clothes or cheeseburgers or something...maybe Guitar Hero downloads...
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 22, 2008, 04:17:18 PM
I'm still having trouble coming up with a ten-letter word which means money (your blank.) 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: StevePirates on July 22, 2008, 04:20:52 PM
I have a leather Coach laptop bag, and I just carry my books under my arm.

But we have lockers, so that makes it easy.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Matthies on July 22, 2008, 04:21:09 PM
I got a tumi briefcase.  It was the only one where the computer part did not expand, but the other side did.  I like it a lot.  It gets tons of use and pretty much still looks new.  That said, I do all of my work at school, or bring at most one or two books home at a time.  It can get heavy, but my back seems to be doing ok, so eh.

http://www.tumi.com/category_search/expandable_organizer_computer_brief/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=111464

I guess they call it their "Alpha" line now.  It's pretty classic.

$350?  Really??  Do you know how much __________ thats is?

About $350 I think.  :D

You'll have it forever?

Herpes lasts forever but I'm not paying $350 bucks for it
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: StevePirates on July 22, 2008, 04:22:10 PM
What's the difference between herpes and true love?
Herpes lasts forever.

If you gave a diamond herpes, would it last until the next universe?
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 22, 2008, 04:22:20 PM
My blank was a general fill-in to use at one's own discretion...

350?  Do you know how many Gotham City Pizzas that is?
350?  Do you know how many Ben Davis slacks that is?
350?  Do you know how many Brooks Brothers shirts that is?

I guess it wasn't executed as smoothly as I would have liked.  Sorry about that.  The point is that $350 seems like a lot of dough to spend on a bag.  But we've already concluded that its going to last a long time.  And that's a-ok with me...
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 22, 2008, 04:23:18 PM
I got a tumi briefcase.  It was the only one where the computer part did not expand, but the other side did.  I like it a lot.  It gets tons of use and pretty much still looks new.  That said, I do all of my work at school, or bring at most one or two books home at a time.  It can get heavy, but my back seems to be doing ok, so eh.

http://www.tumi.com/category_search/expandable_organizer_computer_brief/product_detail/index.cfm?modelid=111464

I guess they call it their "Alpha" line now.  It's pretty classic.

$350?  Really??  Do you know how much __________ thats is?

About $350 I think.  :D

You'll have it forever?

Herpes lasts forever but I'm not paying $350 bucks for it

Touche.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 22, 2008, 04:25:42 PM
i think i was confused by the much/many disparity. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 22, 2008, 04:28:15 PM
i think i was confused by the much/many disparity. 

Its tricky.  Glad its all clear now.  But again:  I guess it wasn't executed as smoothly as I would have liked.  Sorry about that.  The point is that $350 seems like a lot of dough to spend on a bag.  But we've already concluded that its going to last a long time.  And that's a-ok with me...
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 22, 2008, 04:35:16 PM
i think i was confused by the much/many disparity. 

Its tricky.  Glad its all clear now.  But again:  I guess it wasn't executed as smoothly as I would have liked.  Sorry about that.  The point is that $350 seems like a lot of dough to spend on a bag.  But we've already concluded that its going to last a long time.  And that's a-ok with me...

cute. 

you could have noticed you used the wrong word in your intial statement instead of your present response.  I guess that's tricky, though.

 :)
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: SCK2008 on July 22, 2008, 04:40:40 PM
I guess I could have.  But I didn't.  I'm sorry.  That's three times I've apologized for it.  Can you forgive me now?  Please?

Have you deflected enough attention away from the fact that you paid $350 for a bag?

Now that's cute...
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 22, 2008, 04:46:15 PM
It's not really that cute of a bag.  It's highly functional, though, and extremely easy to work with.

I don't know why I'd want to deflect attention away from it.  I like it and I recommend it to everyone.  People who get tumis (one of their high quality builds) rarely get anything else after it. 

I have also had really good experience with my north face backpack.  It's nearly 11 years old at this point, but is still kicking along after being used extensively through highschool and college.  The bottom is starting to wear out, but overall it's been a trooper.  I think the best thing to do is note the high-friction parts of the bag and determine how thick the material is at that point.  That will really let you know how long the bag will last (zippers/snaps/buckles aside.)
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 22, 2008, 04:55:26 PM
It's not really that cute of a bag.  It's highly functional, though, and extremely easy to work with.

I don't know why I'd want to deflect attention away from it.  I like it and I recommend it to everyone.  People who get tumis (one of their high quality builds) rarely get anything else after it. 

I have also had really good experience with my north face backpack.  It's nearly 11 years old at this point, but is still kicking along after being used extensively through highschool and college.  The bottom is starting to wear out, but overall it's been a trooper.  I think the best thing to do is note the high-friction parts of the bag and determine how thick the material is at that point.  That will really let you know how long the bag will last (zippers/snaps/buckles aside.)

I would have just paid one of my classmates $5 a week to carry all of my *&^%.  That would have been money.
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 22, 2008, 05:03:05 PM
It's not really that cute of a bag.  It's highly functional, though, and extremely easy to work with.

I don't know why I'd want to deflect attention away from it.  I like it and I recommend it to everyone.  People who get tumis (one of their high quality builds) rarely get anything else after it. 

I have also had really good experience with my north face backpack.  It's nearly 11 years old at this point, but is still kicking along after being used extensively through highschool and college.  The bottom is starting to wear out, but overall it's been a trooper.  I think the best thing to do is note the high-friction parts of the bag and determine how thick the material is at that point.  That will really let you know how long the bag will last (zippers/snaps/buckles aside.)

I would have just paid one of my classmates $5 a week to carry all of my poo.  That would have been money.

i'm not sure you've evaluated this correctly...
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 23, 2008, 12:21:07 AM
i think i was confused by the much/many disparity. 

Its tricky.  Glad its all clear now.  But again:  I guess it wasn't executed as smoothly as I would have liked.  Sorry about that.  The point is that $350 seems like a lot of dough to spend on a bag.  But we've already concluded that its going to last a long time.  And that's a-ok with me...

cute. 

you could have noticed you used the wrong word in your intial statement instead of your present response.  I guess that's tricky, though.

 :)

"Much" can't be dismissed out of hand as the wrong word. How much birdseed could one buy with $350? How much Diet Sunkist (in volume)? How much scrapbooking paper?



I know, good lookin' out, right?

eh, the later statement changed it to "many".  just keeping people consistent. 
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Cabra on July 23, 2008, 12:23:44 AM
If I trusted myself to get it all done at school, I'd buy something like this: https://www.karab.com/index.php?lang=english&page=products&cid_up=10

But I don't, so enormous Tom Bihn bag it is!
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: mugatu on July 23, 2008, 12:40:47 AM
i think i was confused by the much/many disparity. 

Its tricky.  Glad its all clear now.  But again:  I guess it wasn't executed as smoothly as I would have liked.  Sorry about that.  The point is that $350 seems like a lot of dough to spend on a bag.  But we've already concluded that its going to last a long time.  And that's a-ok with me...

cute. 

you could have noticed you used the wrong word in your intial statement instead of your present response.  I guess that's tricky, though.

 :)

"Much" can't be dismissed out of hand as the wrong word. How much birdseed could one buy with $350? How much Diet Sunkist (in volume)? How much scrapbooking paper?



I know, good lookin' out, right?

eh, the later statement changed it to "many".  just keeping people consistent. 

So then it wasn't "wrong," it was "different." You were confused by the use of multiple adverbs to indicate quantity, I guess? An adverbial bait and switch.

you're a genius
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: gjrmf on August 13, 2008, 02:58:21 AM
Anyway, I'm not saying that I WILL NOT wear a dorky backpack if there really and truly is no feasible alternative.  I just would rather not if it can be avoided.  I'm also trying to avoid on the one hand buying an ugly bag I don't like only to find out that a better looking one would have served just as well, and on the other hand wasting money on a "hip" bag only to find that I have to go get some practical atrocity on wheels.

this, actually, is my problem
i'd much prefer not get a backpack.

really, though, how big a bag does one need?
do we really need 3000 cubic inches?
Title: Re: book totin' question
Post by: Ender Wiggin on August 13, 2008, 06:44:54 PM
Anyway, I'm not saying that I WILL NOT wear a dorky backpack if there really and truly is no feasible alternative.  I just would rather not if it can be avoided.  I'm also trying to avoid on the one hand buying an ugly bag I don't like only to find out that a better looking one would have served just as well, and on the other hand wasting money on a "hip" bag only to find that I have to go get some practical atrocity on wheels.

this, actually, is my problem
i'd much prefer not get a backpack.

really, though, how big a bag does one need?
do we really need 3000 cubic inches?

Well, I had a backpack AND a messenger bag this semester.  I had the Contracts book, the UCC, and the hornbook, plus my Torts book in the backpack with my laptop.  The messenger bag was just for Legal Practice (4 books, lots of handouts, and 35 printed cases).