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Applying to Law School => Law School Admissions => Topic started by: Hwang56 on June 26, 2008, 01:35:13 PM

Title: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Hwang56 on June 26, 2008, 01:35:13 PM
Hi, I just registered for a new account because I'm curious as to where I stand.

I graduated from the University of Ilinois, with a PoliSci major, and Phil minor.
Unfortunately, I graduated with a 2.5 GPA.
I did score a 177 on the LSAT.
I am Korean, fluent in both English and Korean.
I did a lot of volunteering and participated in many organizations.

I obviously know I'm not getting into top tier law schools for sure. I'm realistic. Is there any hope for me at all though?
I think the only wish school I can apply to is the U of I law program, and that would be a stretch.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot to mention that right now I've taken on a job, a one year program where I teach English to students in Korea. The EPIK program. Don't know if that improves my chances.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: botbot on June 26, 2008, 01:53:48 PM
Apply to every T30 school you would attend.  See what happens.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: California_RedRaider on June 26, 2008, 02:14:06 PM
Actually you're a major splitter and you do have a pretty good chance of getting into a T14 and definitely a T25.

As stated above apply everywhere T30, I'm sure you'll get into some great schools.

Check out LSAC and plug in your numbers, I'd say you're good at quite a few top schools. A 177 is killer and it will definitely make a difference in your admissions.

http://officialguide.lsac.org/UGPASearch/LSATGPA.aspx?ref=inline&sidstring=

Edit:

If you knock out a fantastic PS than you'll be golden. From now until September really work on your PS, start writing down ideas, have a pen and pad with you everywhere and just start writing about everything and nothing, you'll get an idea that just fits.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Hwang56 on June 28, 2008, 01:04:47 PM
all right, cool. i'll just apply to all the schools i can, and see what happens. thanks for the input.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on June 28, 2008, 01:49:20 PM
Though this guy's GPA is a little higher than yours, his LSAT score is 177 (unlike what it says on LSN).

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=dadric
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Hwang56 on June 28, 2008, 02:02:32 PM
Though this guy's GPA is a little higher than yours, his LSAT score is 177 (unlike what it says on LSN).

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=dadric
oh wow, maybe i have a chance at university of illinois then...maybe since i was an undergrad at u of i, and i have work experience, it might give me the edge needed to get in. i guess i'll have to see.

i might even consider retaking the lsat. i know the odds of improving are slim, but i figure i've got nothing to lose since they will take your highest lsat score, right? my gpa just sucks so much,and that guy had a 2.8 gpa...that's a huge improvement over my 2.5
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Bulldog86 on June 28, 2008, 02:19:48 PM
I really can't imagine a school preferring a 178/179/180 to a 177 in any significant way. The higher score would not do any more to help their median/quartiles, and the number of people scoring above 177 is so small, there is 0 chance that one of them pushes you out. I guess it might help you with a school's "index" formula, but seriously, with splitter stats like yours, I doubt that holds much weight.

Plus, not all schools take the highest, and even among those that do, if you retake and somehow screw it up (or even just drop a few points), it makes your 177 look like luck rather than as impressive as it does on its own. I suspect your application will get a lot of individual attention due to uniqueness, so give them as few reasons as possible to turn you down.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on June 28, 2008, 02:28:09 PM
In addition to what bulldog (correctly) said, if you do retake a 177, it might make you look like an idiot even if you do better. That is, it could bring into question not only your priorities, but your ability to make decisions (which will make that GPA look more like what you're going to do in law school).
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: MSW JD on June 29, 2008, 03:51:35 AM
This thread was helpful for me too.  I'm totally hoping to be a splitter. (I have a 2.98 ugpa) Testing high on practice tests so far (170+) but have no idea how the real thing could go... and could totally bomb it.  I plan on taking one full length LSAT every Saturday morning from mid-july to October... so I hope that helps me get into a routine.

Agreed w/the others re: not retaking it... I'm always afraid of doing worse the second go around.  Most people would kill for your score.. apparently.

I am applying to some highly ranked schools but more for geography and their clinical opportunities than b/c of their prestige or a desire to work in a large firm.

Why can't I live somewhere with lower ranking schools?  ha

Good luck to you!
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Stylin on June 30, 2008, 02:29:22 PM
I agree with spamming the entire T30.  I can see at least maybe Gtown biting.  WUSTL, Emory, W+L also.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: nealric on July 01, 2008, 09:41:24 AM
Do you have a compelling story behind that GPA?

If so, tell it.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Hwang56 on July 01, 2008, 05:36:06 PM
Do you have a compelling story behind that GPA?

If so, tell it.
lol, no compelling story AT ALL. just really lazy, playing poker every night with friends, and taking wrong, needlessly hard classes. calc 400/500, organic chem, tam 300, all these classes i didn't need which completely f'ed me over. it was only bad for like 2 semesters, the rest are mostly b's.

and even if i did have a compelling story, i don't know if anyone here, or more importantly, anyone on the admissions board would care for a sob story, right? i heard that you should avoid telling sob stories to garner sympathy.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on July 01, 2008, 08:00:57 PM
It's not about sympathy, but demonstrating that the GPA does not represent your abilities or determination. You have to have a good argument to make it worthwhile, however, else you're just blowing hot air.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Sell Out on July 01, 2008, 08:55:30 PM
Off the top of my head, I would say definitely apply to:

Georgetown
Northwestern
Texas (although the TX resident percentage requirement may hurt you a bit, they love high LSATs).
Boston College

I agree with everyone else who said to apply to everywhere in the top 30.  Even with a 2.5 you should be fine.  A 177 is ridiculous.

Good luck to you.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Hwang56 on July 03, 2008, 05:53:42 PM
It's not about sympathy, but demonstrating that the GPA does not represent your abilities or determination. You have to have a good argument to make it worthwhile, however, else you're just blowing hot air.

so i would just relate that through my personal statement right? like showing that i've taken on other responsibilities, and showing that my gpa doesn't necessarily reflect my work ethic and intelligence?


and falling in line with everyone's comments, i'll definitely spam the t30, see what happens. georgetown is lookin' pretty good, and i wouldn't mind getting into u of i's program either. i'm definitely gonna avoid retaking the lsat, don't wanna screw myself over. the risk outweighs the benefits.
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on July 04, 2008, 11:35:37 AM
I don't think you should use your personal statement to talk about why your GPA does not reflect your abilities. If the statement can do this tacitly, that's obviously fine, but you'll want to have an addendum for the GPA that is separate (only if you have a good reason of course).
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Hwang56 on July 07, 2008, 09:27:19 PM
a lot of people have been saying "georgetown, try it", that's a t14 school...i'm wondering if it's even possible.

i've been going over the numbers on LSN, and there were several people that got into georgetown with 2.something gpa. one was a 2.85, and they had a 172, but that person was a 4-year varsity athlete. there was another person with a 2.58 gpa, and a 174, but that person has a good excuse since her parents died freshman year or something. lastly, there was another person with a 177 lsat, and a 2.9.

all these people had special circumstances that explained their gpa...unlike me.

looking at these numbers, is georgetown possible at all?? i'd really like to go there, but i don't want to get my hopes up.

ahhh, stupid gpa!
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: I can has lauskul! on July 08, 2008, 07:59:21 AM
I agree with spamming the entire T30.  I can see at least maybe Gtown biting.  WUSTL, Emory, W+L also.

This should be relatively easy to do.  With an LSAT score of 177, you should get plenty of fee waivers.  Good luck!
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: Hwang56 on July 08, 2008, 03:15:41 PM
whether i get a fee waiver or not, i'll apply to as many as i can. i'll see which ones bite. i'm just curious as to if georgetown really will bite like some say. i've been looking at the numbers and i've seen people with similar lsats, a 177, and a 176 with a 2.7, and 2.5 gpa, respectively, and they were rejected.

just wondering if a good personal statement, some good work experience, and good letters of recommendations might get me in.

before people posted saying "try georgetown" i thought it was completely out of my reach (might still be). just want some reassurance as to if it's possible. if not, there are plenty of other good law schools i'd be greatful going to
Title: Re: What schools are in my reach?
Post by: I can has lauskul! on July 09, 2008, 08:17:28 AM
whether i get a fee waiver or not, i'll apply to as many as i can. i'll see which ones bite. i'm just curious as to if georgetown really will bite like some say. i've been looking at the numbers and i've seen people with similar lsats, a 177, and a 176 with a 2.7, and 2.5 gpa, respectively, and they were rejected.

just wondering if a good personal statement, some good work experience, and good letters of recommendations might get me in.

before people posted saying "try georgetown" i thought it was completely out of my reach (might still be). just want some reassurance as to if it's possible. if not, there are plenty of other good law schools i'd be greatful going to

Ummmm...you're welcome ::)