Law School Discussion

Applying to Law School => Law School Admissions => Topic started by: $Bill on May 28, 2008, 02:34:20 PM

Title: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on May 28, 2008, 02:34:20 PM
Well for this cycle I'm thinking

Franklin Pierce
Suffolk Nights
SUNY Buff
UConn PT
Rutgers
University of Montana

Who wants to place bets on rejections and waitlists this time around?
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: TimMitchell on May 28, 2008, 02:37:01 PM
Your not off the waitlist yet for Rutgers, Villanova, etc, how do you know you are deferring for a year? Did you write LOCIs? What are you doing to improve you chances, retaking LSAT?
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on May 28, 2008, 02:45:53 PM
If I get into Rutgers I will certainly go and have sent LOCI.  Vill is too expensive, and I've learned alot about non-regional T2s at full price since I first applied.  U. Richmond has gotten a lot of flak about its employment stats, and I dont want to go south, they gave me a fee waiver.  I really just want to work out of my house and write up peoples divorces anyways.  St. Johns just increased tuition to 42 a year...so 210k in loans?  No thanks.

Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: greenie on May 28, 2008, 02:53:21 PM
Better PS.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on May 28, 2008, 02:56:25 PM
Better PS.

No Shite.  Although I must say, Pennylane proofed mine and liked it.  Validation to some extent?
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: vjm on May 28, 2008, 02:56:47 PM
Retaking LSAT? Just a couple of points might make a world of difference.


Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: greenie on May 28, 2008, 02:57:35 PM
Better PS.

No Shite.  Although I must say, Pennylane proofed mine and liked it.  Validation to some extent?

I'm sure it wasn't *&^%, I'm just saying it really has to be outstanding.  You should have gotten into Suffolk with your numbers, and had a shot at NEU.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on May 28, 2008, 03:03:15 PM
Retaking LSAT? Just a couple of points might make a world of difference.

I agree.  It can make a world of a difference.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on May 28, 2008, 03:03:19 PM
Better PS.

No Shite.  Although I must say, Pennylane proofed mine and liked it.  Validation to some extent?

I'm sure it wasn't poo, I'm just saying it really has to be outstanding.  You should have gotten into Suffolk with your numbers, and had a shot at NEU.

It was an excellent essay, I say this objectively.  I think I screwed myself in that I wrote about a previous career ambition, and thus reflected poorly on myself.  The generic nature of my next one will shock all.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on May 28, 2008, 03:04:40 PM
Retaking LSAT? Just a couple of points might make a world of difference.

I agree.  It can make a world of a difference.

No doubt.  Only problem is I dont see what school mattering unless I got a 169 or so.  Below  t30 go regional, good rule of thumb right?
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: TallisUmbras on May 28, 2008, 04:23:48 PM
I'm curious to hear what mistakes you thought you made last year. I can look at your LSN account (and have) but I want to hear it from you...
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on May 28, 2008, 06:24:41 PM
Retaking LSAT? Just a couple of points might make a world of difference.

I agree.  It can make a world of a difference.

No doubt.  Only problem is I dont see what school mattering unless I got a 169 or so.  Below  t30 go regional, good rule of thumb right?

Not only will it help you get into schools but it can also equate into getting much more money.  I went from getting into a lower-ranked T2 with no money with a 154 to getting into T25 schools and T2 schools with a nice chunk of change. 
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: TimMitchell on May 28, 2008, 08:30:52 PM
Like most people have said, if you are considering deferring you might as well sign up for the October LSAT. How much did you study for the first one? With the score you have even a moderate improvement will increase you chances greatly.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on May 29, 2008, 06:21:10 AM
I'm curious to hear what mistakes you thought you made last year. I can look at your LSN account (and have) but I want to hear it from you...

Mistake 1:

I'm a decent writer, but I definitely made my PS to flowery, and like I said above, directed it at how my love of (and initial ambition towards teaching) classics helped me grow towards ambition and virtue tieing in at the end how law would be an obvious step in the right direction. 

Mistake 2:

My resume.  Firstly, I work at a company that is for all intents and purposes an internet scam, and as I've worked here over the admissions cycle, I can see that we've exhibited predatory behavior towards several admissions employees.  Secondly, I put a lot of menial jobs down that I held during college to show that I've always worked 30 or more hours a week, even through school.  A more concise and vague resume would have helped.

Mistake 3:

No diversity statement.   I grew up in a blue collar family, in a 100% white town, got B+ grades through highschool, didnt engage in any sordid behavior, wrestled for the highschool team...."all american" youth right?  Well I thought I'd look like an idiot next to some Sudanese refugees diversity statement (my struggles began when the janjuweed militias began interdiction operations outside my village, and my father took up his weapon to fight them...), and frankly that I would insult the ideals of diversity in higher education.  So I elected not to submit one.

Also, my post collegiate work experience has been filled with manual labor (very little professional work experience via the "experience required for entry level job" catch 22)



My recommendations are solid, coming from both a Harvard and an NYU Ph.D., and what I lacked in extracurriculars, I made up for by work.

Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! on May 31, 2008, 10:00:28 PM
Retake the LSAT dude. Nothing else even matters. As long as your PS is coherent, they don't really care. They read a billion of those things and the chances that yours will stand out in a good way is pretty slim.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: TimMitchell on June 01, 2008, 01:49:53 PM
Retake the LSAT dude. Nothing else even matters. As long as your PS is coherent, they don't really care. They read a billion of those things and the chances that yours will stand out in a good way is pretty slim.

Very true. Whens the last time you saw someone on LSN getting into schools out of their range that wasen't an URM? If you look at the charts than you'll see for most schools its purely a numbers game
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: vjm on June 01, 2008, 02:19:08 PM
Great idea on a new PS. I must say I am not a fan of the one you posted. What are your thoughts on the new one?
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on June 02, 2008, 06:07:21 AM
Retake the LSAT dude. Nothing else even matters. As long as your PS is coherent, they don't really care. They read a billion of those things and the chances that yours will stand out in a good way is pretty slim.

Very true. Whens the last time you saw someone on LSN getting into schools out of their range that wasen't an URM? If you look at the charts than you'll see for most schools its purely a numbers game

I gotta say, I didnt go for many reach schools this time around.  If it were a numbers game I'd be matriculating at suffolk this year.  I now strongly believe its not.

Great idea on a new PS. I must say I am not a fan of the one you posted. What are your thoughts on the new one?


I kinda hate my existence, but I dont think that would make for stimulating reading.  I think I'll read a couple on Deloggio and do a really generic one.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on June 02, 2008, 07:36:57 AM
Quote
I think I'll read a couple on Deloggio and do a really generic one.

Don't mistake straightforward for generic, though. IMO, it's not the subject that's the problem with the PS you posted, it's the style of writing. It's just too much. You can write much more captivating prose with simple, honest, non-melodramatic writing.

Touche
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: greenie on June 02, 2008, 07:43:38 AM
Retake the LSAT dude. Nothing else even matters. As long as your PS is coherent, they don't really care. They read a billion of those things and the chances that yours will stand out in a good way is pretty slim.

Very true. Whens the last time you saw someone on LSN getting into schools out of their range that wasen't an URM? If you look at the charts than you'll see for most schools its purely a numbers game

He was in over the 75% for the LSAT for many of the school's he applied to.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on June 02, 2008, 08:24:36 AM
Quote
Quote from: heartbreaker on Today at 09:35:46 AM
Quote
I think I'll read a couple on Deloggio and do a really generic one.

Don't mistake straightforward for generic, though. IMO, it's not the subject that's the problem with the PS you posted, it's the style of writing. It's just too much. You can write much more captivating prose with simple, honest, non-melodramatic writing.

Touche

Not at all; writing in direct, simple prose really stands out nowadays. I do a lot of peer editing, and perhaps it's a sign of the kind of schlocky, overwrought literature that's being put out these days, but very few people know how to just let a story speak for itself anymore. It will really make your PS stand out if you find a good story about your life and just tell it, no bells and whistles.

You dont need to convince me, I realized the flaws inherent in my PS months ago.  That said, I dont think that I wrote something incoherent or bereft of well...a point.  To be flat out rejected by what were initially safety schools took something else...and I honestly dont know whats wrong about me as an applicant that offended the admissions offices so much.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: greenie on June 02, 2008, 08:27:57 AM
Some people below the medians, and below the 75% HAVE TO BE cut or else it wouldn't be a median.  It's probably not that your PS sucked, just that everyone else's was better.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: vjm on June 02, 2008, 08:55:30 AM
This is one of those situations where the "it's all about your numbers" theory takes a beating.

Since you have only posted your PS, we are all focused on that. I really find this PS to be atrocious (sorry, meant with love) but it is the only one I have ever read, so I have no basis for comparison. More to the point, is it bad enough to keep you out of a school where your numbers are over their 75%? I certainly wouldn't think so.

Do you think it would be worth contacting the admissions offices from the schools that rejected you, explaining that you are reapplying and asking why they rejected you? Maybe there is something else that needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: So...Suggestions on Cycle 2?
Post by: $Bill on June 02, 2008, 09:11:41 AM
This is one of those situations where the "it's all about your numbers" theory takes a beating.

Since you have only posted your PS, we are all focused on that. I really find this PS to be atrocious (sorry, meant with love) but it is the only one I have ever read, so I have no basis for comparison. More to the point, is it bad enough to keep you out of a school where your numbers are over their 75%? I certainly wouldn't think so.

Do you think it would be worth contacting the admissions offices from the schools that rejected you, explaining that you are reapplying and asking why they rejected you? Maybe there is something else that needs to be addressed.

No worries man, I'm starting to really hate it too.  Im starting to think it really is where I work.  I can be objective towards my own faults, and I really dont think I let them shine through, so to speak.

I really just want to work out of my house and write up peoples divorces anyways.

So, basically, you're considering investing three years of your life + $$$ so that you can be useless to society? Sounds like a good plan.

“The good lawyer is not the man who has an eye to every side and angle of contingency, and qualifies all his qualifications, but who throws himself on your part so heartily, that he can get you out of a scrape.”

 Ralph Waldo Emerson

I've had a lot of divorces in my family, a good divorce attorney may be useless to society, but when your about to have your pre-nup snapped in half...

At least I have no bright eyed vision about saving the world or "society", all I want is an education to practice a trade which I may do well at, and perhaps make a bit of money at.